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[Obsidian Gryphon]

Even after two months, I still can't let go. I have played ME 3 SP a few times, never finishing Priority Earth, always stopping after receiving Liara's gift. I always do MP because it's such mindless pea-shooting fun. I keep going back and forth before I realised I'm looking for satisfactory answers which ... will not be forthcoming. And I always replay SP with a femShep + Liara (It's always these two and never femShep + Kaidan), as if I'm hoping Liara would have all the answers. But of course, she's not scripted to give any. 

Does that make any sense?  

[fluffywalrus]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

Even after two months, I still can't let go. I have played ME 3 SP a few times, never finishing Priority Earth, always stopping after receiving Liara's gift. I always do MP because it's such mindless pea-shooting fun. I keep going back and forth before I realised I'm looking for satisfactory answers which ... will not be forthcoming. And I always replay SP with a femShep + Liara (It's always these two and never femShep + Kaidan), as if I'm hoping Liara would have all the answers. But of course, she's not scripted to give any. 

Does that make any sense?  

I totally get where you're coming from.
I first played ME3 at the tail end of March and I haven't been able to play another game since. I haven't been able to read a book since. I've seen one film, The Avengers, and was disinterested all throughout. Mass Effect has kind of become an obsession for me since I got ME3.

I'm having a hard time letting go too. I wanted more time. Recently I've taken to writing, to write out my Shep's past, and sporadic moments through the series, in order to give myself the full picture. It...I've gained more closure this way, the type I wanted, but I still feel that pull.

I'm not sure it'll really go away.

I have played through the ME games many times over, with three main characters (two Liara+femshep, one maleshep+Tali), and I think the most wonderful part of the series is that the characters are mine. Their stories are mine. I think about what my Shep does or thinks between missions. What my Sheps did on Mindoir, Elysium, Akuze, what Liara and benezia's relationship was like pre-saren, how Garrus and his father's conversation about leaving C-Sec went, or creating the Reaper task force...I had the agency to fill all those blanks, and it only brought more life to the series, in my mind.

If you're not happy with the answers you're given, then...I don't know. I wasn't either. I was heartbroken. That led me to write(and read some fanfics like "A Thessian's Whisper", among others). My roommate dove into multiplayer to try and forget the ending (I can't do MP myself, I can't separate the narrative from the series). One friend waits eagerly for the EC. One has tried to interpret how each ending could work, and the consequences of each.
I'd imagine there's some sort of way for those answers of yours to be fulfilled. I'm not sure what, but...chances are there's someone out there who feels the same way.

Modifié par fluffywalrus, 12 mai 2012 - 01:35 .

[Aristobulus500]

I understand how you feel completely - I'm not yet ready to just abandon the setting and move on, too. It's completely captivated me and I can't just let go. In fact pretty much the main reason I still play the multiplayer is because I don't want to give up on the setting, I'm too invested.

But it's not very satisfying because the multiplayer is so shallow and is pure gameplay, without even a place to just casually mill around in.

And well, obviously the single player isn't satisfying now...

But as you say, Walrus - part of what has me so invested is that I CAN so easily imagine so many things happening off screen with the characters, how they live and think, because it's all so well fleshed out and they seem so very real. This is something that draws me to the better fanfics and things like that out there, it's a way to see more of the characters than what the games offer.

[PMC65]

fluffywalrus wrote...

*snip*
I'm having a hard time letting go too. I wanted more time. Recently I've taken to writing, to write out my Shep's past, and sporadic moments through the series, in order to give myself the full picture. It...I've gained more closure this way, the type I wanted, but I still feel that pull.

*snip*

If you write a backstory on your Shepard I would love to read it.

That is so much more interesting to me ... where each Shepard came from. That empty canvas has so much more potential. Shepard's younger life, family, loves, lessons, laughter, hardships. I know how people love to exchange custom faces but as I told a couple here I would love to exchange custom "souls" if you will.

My brother plays EW Shepard based off my story and it's great when he tells me the choices that he made in all the games with her.

if there are pre-Normandy stories out there please let me know. Those I would definitely take a peek at! I really wanted to do my second Shepard (Piers V) next and hopefully I'll be able to start him by year's end. But he belongs to Ash and just good friends with Liara.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

fluffywalrus wrote...

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

Even after two months, I still can't let go. I have played ME 3 SP a few times, never finishing Priority Earth, always stopping after receiving Liara's gift. I always do MP because it's such mindless pea-shooting fun. I keep going back and forth before I realised I'm looking for satisfactory answers which ... will not be forthcoming. And I always replay SP with a femShep + Liara (It's always these two and never femShep + Kaidan), as if I'm hoping Liara would have all the answers. But of course, she's not scripted to give any. 

Does that make any sense?  

I totally get where you're coming from.
I first played ME3 at the tail end of March and I haven't been able to play another game since. I haven't been able to read a book since. I've seen one film, The Avengers, and was disinterested all throughout. Mass Effect has kind of become an obsession for me since I got ME3.

I'm having a hard time letting go too. I wanted more time. Recently I've taken to writing, to write out my Shep's past, and sporadic moments through the series, in order to give myself the full picture. It...I've gained more closure this way, the type I wanted, but I still feel that pull.

I'm not sure it'll really go away.

I have played through the ME games many times over, with three main characters (two Liara+femshep, one maleshep+Tali), and I think the most wonderful part of the series is that the characters are mine. Their stories are mine. I think about what my Shep does or thinks between missions. What my Sheps did on Mindoir, Elysium, Akuze, what Liara and benezia's relationship was like pre-saren, how Garrus and his father's conversation about leaving C-Sec went, or creating the Reaper task force...I had the agency to fill all those blanks, and it only brought more life to the series, in my mind.

If you're not happy with the answers you're given, then...I don't know. I wasn't either. I was heartbroken. That led me to write(and read some fanfics like "A Thessian's Whisper", among others). My roommate dove into multiplayer to try and forget the ending (I can't do MP myself, I can't separate the narrative from the series). One friend waits eagerly for the EC. One has tried to interpret how each ending could work, and the consequences of each.
I'd imagine there's some sort of way for those answers of yours to be fulfilled. I'm not sure what, but...chances are there's someone out there who feels the same way.

Exactly. I lost interest too in other stuff and I told myself ; hey, you're really stuck in this trench. Get out of it. I fiddled with other games but kept returning to ME. I lurked around the board and sometimes dropped assinine comments; as if that would get me answers. Ha! 

Can't write ME fanfics though I did write a 100 over chapters fanfic (a first effort) for some other tv drama which on looking back, I think I was nuts.   But that tv drama was interesting or rather, I was inspired to by the amazing acting ability of the actor.

I did read some ME fanfic; it was the trio "Before such and such missions". Erm... smut?   Interesting although I think Asari sexual physiology would be slightly different from a human's. I think someone on this board wrote something about it and it sounds plausible. In any case, gonna read your work.   Cheers!  

[DarkCloudd]

I'm personally cautiously optimistic about the EC. I'm not expecting miracles but it could happen. I never thought I would say this before the ending of ME3 but if the EC isn't what I'm expecting then I will most likely rely on Fanfics for my ending closure. I really don't want to get into the ending discussion again because I think the corpse has long been beaten into a greasy smear on the ground, but suffice to say if there isn't a chance for Shep to live and reunite with the crew and LI then ME3 just won't have any ending for me. Yes the happy ending is cliche but you know what, cliches work because thats what people want and what people keep asking for. Should the cliche happy ending be the only option, no but if I do everything possible in the entire series then please is it too much to ask for that I be rewarded at the end?

[fluffywalrus]

PMC65 wrote...

fluffywalrus wrote...

*snip*
I'm having a hard time letting go too. I wanted more time. Recently I've taken to writing, to write out my Shep's past, and sporadic moments through the series, in order to give myself the full picture. It...I've gained more closure this way, the type I wanted, but I still feel that pull.

*snip*

If you write a backstory on your Shepard I would love to read it.

That is so much more interesting to me ... where each Shepard came from. That empty canvas has so much more potential. Shepard's younger life, family, loves, lessons, laughter, hardships. I know how people love to exchange custom faces but as I told a couple here I would love to exchange custom "souls" if you will.

My brother plays EW Shepard based off my story and it's great when he tells me the choices that he made in all the games with her.

if there are pre-Normandy stories out there please let me know. Those I would definitely take a peek at! I really wanted to do my second Shepard (Piers V) next and hopefully I'll be able to start him by year's end. But he belongs to Ash and just good friends with Liara.

Oh wow it's you!
I spent half a day earlier this week reading your mass effect fics, and I have to say, your Colonist/Hero E.W Shep was so outstandingly done, and I LOVED, more than anything, your interpretation on Asari culture and Liara's upbringing. It just...fit so well.
So yeah, big fan of your backstory, and your currently ongoing(?) ME1 fic (I honestly couldn't stop laughing at Liara's dialogue when she thought she was hallucinating on Therum, or when she hid under the desk in Normandy's med bay).

I've been studiously working on mine, but I'm more skilled at dialogue than anything else, so I've been laying that foundation for my prequel (and during-post) fics. I'm something of an auditory learner like Mordin, and unless I'm speaking it, it's hard for me to imagine it entirely or nail down exactly what's going through each character's head.

Not sure when it'll be done. I have about 35 pages of dialogue and inner thoughts down for my prequel IIRC, and  around 25 for the during-post bits, and I still have a ways to go. I was more or less writing this as a personal memorial to my time spent with Mass Effect, but if I feel it's not too horrid I'll toss it on a fanfic site.

You're right though, that empty canvas of Sheps is what makes me love the series so much. I have 4 friends who are about as deeply invested into the series as I am, and in an exercise of character-building for a pen and paper RPG I was planning last fall, I had each write out a few pages' worth of backstory for their shep. Even with the templates(Earthborn/Spacer/Colonist and War-Hero,Ruthless,Sole-Survivor), it was pretty amazing how each differed, each had intricacies that made them come to life.

I think that's why I mourned a bit after I was done ME3. It was similar to how I felt when I moved away from home and away from my friends when I went off to Uni. I had known these characters so well...I remember the nights I'd spend after playing ME1, writing log entries for Shep, Garrus, Liara and Tali. Small bits on NPCs I enjoyed, like Gianna Parasini, Shiala, Nihilus, etc.
Nothing fancy, but I felt like, as I got to know them in game, and/or as I learned about them, I wanted to know more.
But I wouldn't have cared as much if Shepard wasn't my creation, I wouldn't be immersed as deeply.

Glad to hear there are others who love learning about other Shepards as...well, individuals, rather than hollow avatars.

Modifié par fluffywalrus, 15 mai 2012 - 12:37 .

[fluffywalrus]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

fluffywalrus wrote...

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

Even after two months, I still can't let go. I have played ME 3 SP a few times, never finishing Priority Earth, always stopping after receiving Liara's gift. I always do MP because it's such mindless pea-shooting fun. I keep going back and forth before I realised I'm looking for satisfactory answers which ... will not be forthcoming. And I always replay SP with a femShep + Liara (It's always these two and never femShep + Kaidan), as if I'm hoping Liara would have all the answers. But of course, she's not scripted to give any. 

Does that make any sense?  

I totally get where you're coming from.
I first played ME3 at the tail end of March and I haven't been able to play another game since. I haven't been able to read a book since. I've seen one film, The Avengers, and was disinterested all throughout. Mass Effect has kind of become an obsession for me since I got ME3.

I'm having a hard time letting go too. I wanted more time. Recently I've taken to writing, to write out my Shep's past, and sporadic moments through the series, in order to give myself the full picture. It...I've gained more closure this way, the type I wanted, but I still feel that pull.

I'm not sure it'll really go away.

I have played through the ME games many times over, with three main characters (two Liara+femshep, one maleshep+Tali), and I think the most wonderful part of the series is that the characters are mine. Their stories are mine. I think about what my Shep does or thinks between missions. What my Sheps did on Mindoir, Elysium, Akuze, what Liara and benezia's relationship was like pre-saren, how Garrus and his father's conversation about leaving C-Sec went, or creating the Reaper task force...I had the agency to fill all those blanks, and it only brought more life to the series, in my mind.

If you're not happy with the answers you're given, then...I don't know. I wasn't either. I was heartbroken. That led me to write(and read some fanfics like "A Thessian's Whisper", among others). My roommate dove into multiplayer to try and forget the ending (I can't do MP myself, I can't separate the narrative from the series). One friend waits eagerly for the EC. One has tried to interpret how each ending could work, and the consequences of each.
I'd imagine there's some sort of way for those answers of yours to be fulfilled. I'm not sure what, but...chances are there's someone out there who feels the same way.

Exactly. I lost interest too in other stuff and I told myself ; hey, you're really stuck in this trench. Get out of it. I fiddled with other games but kept returning to ME. I lurked around the board and sometimes dropped assinine comments; as if that would get me answers. Ha! 

Can't write ME fanfics though I did write a 100 over chapters fanfic (a first effort) for some other tv drama which on looking back, I think I was nuts.   But that tv drama was interesting or rather, I was inspired to by the amazing acting ability of the actor.

I did read some ME fanfic; it was the trio "Before such and such missions". Erm... smut?   Interesting although I think Asari sexual physiology would be slightly different from a human's. I think someone on this board wrote something about it and it sounds plausible. In any case, gonna read your work.   Cheers!  

Ah, yes. Before Ilos, Before Hagalaz, and Before *enter cerberus base name because I forgot*.
Yeah, I'd say a fair bit of it is pretty smut-ish, considering it's based around their sexual encounters, but I gotta give it to the author...she really does describe the joining quite well, at least the mental aspects of it. Made it a worthwhile read for me, even though I prefer a much larger story to smut ratio

And while I haven't posted mine, I HIGHLY reccommend PMC65's fanfics (The Thessian's Whisper fic I linked to is one of them). Just...so nuanced. Lots of ME-related easter eggs too.

[coatsworth]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

fluffywalrus wrote...

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

Even after two months, I still can't let go. I have played ME 3 SP a few times, never finishing Priority Earth, always stopping after receiving Liara's gift. I always do MP because it's such mindless pea-shooting fun. I keep going back and forth before I realised I'm looking for satisfactory answers which ... will not be forthcoming. And I always replay SP with a femShep + Liara (It's always these two and never femShep + Kaidan), as if I'm hoping Liara would have all the answers. But of course, she's not scripted to give any. 

Does that make any sense?  

I totally get where you're coming from.
I first played ME3 at the tail end of March and I haven't been able to play another game since. I haven't been able to read a book since. I've seen one film, The Avengers, and was disinterested all throughout. Mass Effect has kind of become an obsession for me since I got ME3.

I'm having a hard time letting go too. I wanted more time. Recently I've taken to writing, to write out my Shep's past, and sporadic moments through the series, in order to give myself the full picture. It...I've gained more closure this way, the type I wanted, but I still feel that pull.

I'm not sure it'll really go away.

I have played through the ME games many times over, with three main characters (two Liara+femshep, one maleshep+Tali), and I think the most wonderful part of the series is that the characters are mine. Their stories are mine. I think about what my Shep does or thinks between missions. What my Sheps did on Mindoir, Elysium, Akuze, what Liara and benezia's relationship was like pre-saren, how Garrus and his father's conversation about leaving C-Sec went, or creating the Reaper task force...I had the agency to fill all those blanks, and it only brought more life to the series, in my mind.

If you're not happy with the answers you're given, then...I don't know. I wasn't either. I was heartbroken. That led me to write(and read some fanfics like "A Thessian's Whisper", among others). My roommate dove into multiplayer to try and forget the ending (I can't do MP myself, I can't separate the narrative from the series). One friend waits eagerly for the EC. One has tried to interpret how each ending could work, and the consequences of each.
I'd imagine there's some sort of way for those answers of yours to be fulfilled. I'm not sure what, but...chances are there's someone out there who feels the same way.

Exactly. I lost interest too in other stuff and I told myself ; hey, you're really stuck in this trench. Get out of it. I fiddled with other games but kept returning to ME. I lurked around the board and sometimes dropped assinine comments; as if that would get me answers. Ha! 

Can't write ME fanfics though I did write a 100 over chapters fanfic (a first effort) for some other tv drama which on looking back, I think I was nuts.   But that tv drama was interesting or rather, I was inspired to by the amazing acting ability of the actor.

I did read some ME fanfic; it was the trio "Before such and such missions". Erm... smut?   Interesting although I think Asari sexual physiology would be slightly different from a human's. I think someone on this board wrote something about it and it sounds plausible. In any case, gonna read your work.   Cheers!  

I hear you both, ME3 has got me writing and drawing graphic novels. Drawing about liara and Shep<3, I'm kind of obsessed (a lot). Always playing online or SP.

[MidnightRaith]

 I would like to weigh in on the endings while we're on the subject. I hope y'all can forgive me, as I missed posting just after the game releasesd where everyone and their mom created their own threads about the ending. All I could do was watch and have no way to voice my own opinions, which was actually pretty hard to do.

Anyway, I want to start by saying that the ending is just poorly written overall. Perhaps the biggest contributing factor was the Starchild. First, it's not generally acceptable to introduce new, major characters in the denoument. They detract from characters already established and just generally distract the audience from the plot. Who is this guy? Where did he come from? Why is he suddenly here? Etc, etc. What's even worse, however is the fact that he acts as an All Knowing Character as well as One That Came Before type. I despise these types of characters. In nearly EVERY instance I've come across them, they are evidence of lazy writing. They can pretty much state whatever the hell they want, and the audience is forced to accept it because they are either omniscient or have significantly more experience than the mere mortal characters. As evidenced by the forums, hardly anyone ever just accepts this.

Honestly, the only time I've personally come across characters like these that have somewhat worked are the Assassin's Creed Those That Came Before. Why? Because they're actually built up into a big reveal and when one does show up, Minerva, she actually explains what she wants the main character to do in clear, acceptable logic along with proof.

Let's compare this to Starchild. No buildup, he's just suddenly there, unless you count the nightmares however no one would have logically come to the conclusion that the dreams were supposed to manifest in the ending as they did. Some people have claimed that Starchild did "explain" his reasoning, however I simply call BS on that. He presents his argument in near circular logic based on evidence he cannot prove, nor ever intends to bring up. In fact, in-game his argument is debunked by the Quarian-Geth conflict. Does this mean that he's incorrect? No, not really. However, and this is a BIG however, I do not think it is remotely smart to base the ending entirely around a premise that seems to be disproven in game in such a large plot point as well. The majority of your audience will not accept the opposite of what was shown to them and why would they? They actively solved the issues between an organic and synthetic race. Hell, many of them were probably on the freaking moon when they did that. Why would any writer trivialize that by presenting them with a character that claims their efforts are not only futile but entirely pointless? How does that translate well? I don't particularly care if Starchild has seen many example of this, and nearly every one had failed. If you are going to present the argument that they did, then DO NOT directly contradict it during the story.

Then there is the "theme" itself. Technological Singularity. That is not a theme, first of all. It is a theory, a theory that is mostly backed by alarmest scientists in various fields that can provide no proof whatsoever that this can ever happen. It is essentially a philisophical debate with psychology thrown in. Quite frankly, I believe the main problem with using this as a "theme" is the possibiity that hardly anyone can actually relate to this. That is the entire point of a theme in any story. It is supposed to be universally understood and applicable to everyday life. How on earth is Technological Singularity fit this description? First of all, much of it depends on pop culture, I.E. Terminator and the like. I believe that one needs to be introduced to a story that features an example of this before they can even begin to understand how this theory would affect anything. Fortunately for Bioware, I have seen Terminator and the Matrix. Otherwise, I would have never heard of this theory in any way, shape, or form. Attemping to use this theory as a theme is very foolish in this regard.

As for applicability? Well, I can't think of any way TS can apply to my life at all, whatsoever. So, am I supposed to fear that my laptop is going to gain sentience and kill me because I've enslaved it and/or not providing it with any benefits? <_< See, Terminator worked because TS wasn't incorrectly used as its theme. There are quite a few themes present in Terminator lore that make its story tick. Man vs Machine is not what it soley wants you to focus on. 

Now, underneath TS there is an actual theme there, and Starchild actually referenced it himself. "The created will always rebel against the creator." We've seen this one acted out by, once again, the Quarians and the Geth. Regardless of the Quarians shooting first, the Geth still rebelled against their creators, no matter that they were actually justified in doing so. However, the Starchild takes this too far and attempts to tell us that the created will always want to hunt down and brutially murder their creators. Once again, the Quarians and Geth demonstrate that he is not always right. The Geth never did attempt to hunt down the Quarians. They simply kicked them off planet and let them be. They even played gardner while the Quarians were away as a bonus. Real life examples include teenagers vs parents, there are several biblical stories that demonstrate this, the American colonies vs Britain. Tons of them, but in most cases, these examples have never resorted to the extremism that the Reapers go to and I believe that this is what makes it so hard to swallow. Is this theme even recognizable when you exaggerate in such a manner? If what some people are saying is any indication, no, this theme was not recognizable to many people.

There were many themes present in Mass Effect that could have been used in the ending. Just look at the original one by Drew with the Dark Energy. While I don't necessarily like that one either (wait, so Dark Energy is slowly swallowing up the galaxy? Ok. Wait, the Reapers attempted to control the way organics evolve technologically by leaving behind tech that actively uses massive amounts of Dark Energy so they could stop the spread of Dark Energy? What? <_<) it did use theme much better than the one Walters and Hudson supposedly wrote. There was sacrifice and the greater good in the ending that had Shepard choose to sacrifice humanity. (Seriously, that is a horrible choice. Probably worse than Synthesis in my mind. What authority does Shepard have to decide this?) Then there is strength in diversity implied in the other ending in which Shepard tells the Reapers to go screw themselves, humanity and the rest of the galaxy will solve this for themselves. (Would have gone with this one....)

Then there are the choices present in the ending itself and how our choices throughout the games pretty much don't matter. I'm not going to really touch on this because this is essentially the popular topic in the forums right now.

Instead, I'll talk about what y'all already addressed. The characters. Mass Effect is obviously very character focused. I love characters, when I write, I focus heavily on characters rather than the description writing. Mass Effect is one of my fixes for characters. Throughout the entire series the characters tend to represent whatever problem their entire species suffers. Wrex and the Krogan, Mordin and the Salarians, Ash and Kaidan both represented two different sides of humanity. They were also very relatable and well written. This series was more about them than the Reapers. Throughout its entirety how the characters reacted to this threat was more important than the actual problem. Just look at ME3. The Reapers are decimating the entire galaxy and the species and characters are more focused on helping themselves rather than dedicate time to fix the actual problem. Shepard focuses more on their needs than the Crucible itself. In fact, the "fix" to the entire galaxy isn't even seen until the end of the game.

Then, suddenly, full on stop. It doesn't matter what is happening to the rest of the species as a whole or their individual characters. Hell, we don't even get to really see how getting their war assets apply to the ending battle. It is now absolutely crucial that you make one asinine choice out of three that are not explained and imply death and destruction to nearly everyone. The protagonist heavy plot is derailed by the Starchild who steals the protagonist role from Shepard at the end of the game. The characters we loved so much? Oh, yeah, the ending spits on them and strands them on what seems to be an unsettled world. It doesn't care that it seems Tali and Garrus will starve to death. It doesn't care that Joker will most likely die because of a lack of proper medical care. Nope, it doesn't even care that Liara will most likely outlive everyone if they are not found. No consideration whatsoever was given to the characters at the ending. Even the species themselves are stranded on a war torn Earth that cannot possibly support them. It only matters that you stopped the Reapers. Congratulations. How does that matter to a story like Mass Effect when the characters actually seem more important than the conflict? How can the ending matter when it destroys the universe that we fell in love with?

To be honest, I don't think it does. It doesn't matter. Many people seem to actually think this considering the Ctrl+Alt+Del Before the Ending meme that is flying around. There is such a disconnect from everything that is Mass Effect that it kills replayability. Relatability, applicability, character focus, diversity, perserverence, all of these and more were ignored by the ending. Some of them were actively destroyed. These are the reasons I think the ending sucks. Not that it was sad or that we only got three endings. (Of course, I still want a happy ending. Don't know why Hudson and Walters thought I couldn't have one. <_<)  No one "doesn't get it." There wasn't any thing to "get." It was horribly written and ripped off from entertainment media that did this type of ending much better. What we got wasn't an ending to Mass Effect as we know it. It was an ending that was probably written by two people that thought they, and they alone, knew what was best for a universe that was created by many people and many influences.

I hope y'all can forgive the wall of text. This has been jammed in my brain since the ending first made its way to me and I've had to sit on it for about two months.... Didn't really plan for it to explode as it did. 

Modifié par MidnightRaith, 12 mai 2012 - 04:06 .

[Yuqi]

re: ending

I read the leak so I sorta knew the ending was coming. If I recall correctly; originally Shepard lived in the synthesis ending.

The ending was ok. Did I love it?No.Do I think it was downright horrible?No.Do I think it needed to be implemented better? Yes. Did the devs deserve all the vitriol they got? No. Should they have included one perfect rainbows and puppes ending? Yes.

If they couldn't fit it all in they should've done a ME3 Part 1, and ME3 Part 2.

And I got this one of broshep/Liara



And of course the ending talk is depressing so..FUNNY PIC

[d32f123]

Yuqi wrote...

re: ending

I read the leak so I sorta knew the ending was coming. If I recall correctly; originally Shepard lived in the synthesis ending.

The ending was ok. Did I love it?No.Do I think it was downright horrible?No.Do I think it needed to be implemented better? Yes. Did the devs deserve all the vitriol they got? No. Should they have included one perfect rainbows and puppes ending? Yes.

If they couldn't fit it all in they should've done a ME3 Part 1, and ME3 Part 2.

And I got this one of broshep/Liara



And of course the ending talk is depressing so..FUNNY PIC

Last picture is quite funny

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Before ME3 I was expecting there to be a number of different endings ranging from mostly happy to complete failure depending on choices made. I figured this is the last game, the endings can really branch out now without worrying about continuity for the next game. By the time I was nearing the end of ME3 I wasn't so confident about Shepard's chances, the goodbyes with her crew all felt too final, like they knew something I didn't. I could have accepted a sad end where Shep died, they could have showed Shepard's funeral at the end and made it a real tear jerker. But instead we end up with a confusing mess. The Reapers winning would have been preferable to the ending we got, I probably still would have complained that my choices didn't matter but that would have been the point of that ending. If they'd wanted a nihilistic ending that would have been perfect. Also it would have made sense, throughout the games we're told we can't stop the Reapers. The very end then would be Liara's time capsule being discovered by the next cycle.

[lillitheris]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

I did read some ME fanfic; it was the trio "Before such and such missions". Erm... smut?   Interesting although I think Asari sexual physiology would be slightly different from a human's. I think someone on this board wrote something about it and it sounds plausible. In any case, gonna read your work.   Cheers!  

Here you go! http://www.fanfictio...sari_for_Humans

I love Rae’s work, though, despite minor blue womanness quibbles

…

Also, eeeww, ending. I first – OK, not first, first there was much rage – tried to write some suggestions for trying to fix the ending in the spirit of clarification, and then ended up incorporating that into a story…

[cohina]

Hey guys! It has been far too long since the last time I posted here, over two weeks Don't really know what I've been doing in the meanwhile but anyway, I'm back. Nice to see the thread keeps going on, even though it seems we've slowed down a bit (which might be a good thing, makes it a lot easier to keep up ).

Lots of good conversation here lately, regardless of the fact that it's not necessarily all Liara related .

MidnightRaith wrote...

*Snip*

Now, underneath TS there is an actual theme there, and Starchild actually referenced it himself. "The created will always rebel against the creator."

*Snip*

Don't know if said already, but one thing that makes this so funny is that Starchild also states that he created the Reapers as his solution... so.... if he created the reapers, shouldn't they, according to his logic, rebel against him too then?


And here's a Liara to you all:

[Obsidian Gryphon]

fluffywalrus wrote...

Ah, yes. Before Ilos, Before Hagalaz, and Before *enter cerberus base name because I forgot*.
Yeah, I'd say a fair bit of it is pretty smut-ish, considering it's based around their sexual encounters, but I gotta give it to the author...she really does describe the joining quite well, at least the mental aspects of it. Made it a worthwhile read for me, even though I prefer a much larger story to smut ratio
And while I haven't posted mine, I HIGHLY reccommend PMC65's fanfics (The Thessian's Whisper fic I linked to is one of them). Just...so nuanced. Lots of ME-related easter eggs too.

Thanks for the link. Getting started on it.   I agree that the author did get the mental joining right but I find the rest (Asari responses) just somewhat off. I'm probably nitpicking. They're good stories, no doubt.

lillitheris wrote...

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

I did read some ME fanfic; it was the trio "Before such and such missions". Erm... smut?   Interesting although I think Asari sexual physiology would be slightly different from a human's. I think someone on this board wrote something about it and it sounds plausible. In any case, gonna read your work.   Cheers!  

Here you go! http://www.fanfictio...sari_for_Humans

I love Rae’s work, though, despite minor blue womanness quibbles

…

Also, eeeww, ending. I first – OK, not first, first there was much rage – tried to write some suggestions for trying to fix the ending in the spirit of clarification, and then ended up incorporating that into a story…

Thanks! That's the one I was referring to.

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 12 mai 2012 - 06:11 .

[Erenbe]

 Am I the only one tearing up whenever I have the last conversation with Garrus and Liara in London? The others are alright (although Jack sounds as if she starts crying any minute) but as soon as I head up to meet Garrus and then onwards to Liara...damn...
I need ice cream. :crying:

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Right there with you Erenbe. On my second playthrough of ME3, just got to that scene last night. So sad. Don't want to go to the end now though.

[Grimwick]

Erenbe wrote...

 Am I the only one tearing up whenever I have the last conversation with Garrus and Liara in London? The others are alright (although Jack sounds as if she starts crying any minute) but as soon as I head up to meet Garrus and then onwards to Liara...damn...
I need ice cream. :crying:

Nope! I tear up every time with those two - especially after Liara's LI scene and gift together.

She always gets me at: 
"All those little blue children will be disappointed I didn't have a speech."

After that I just can't physically finish the game anymore. 

[Arcataye]

fluffywalrus wrote...

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

Even after two months, I still can't let go. I have played ME 3 SP a few times, never finishing Priority Earth, always stopping after receiving Liara's gift. I always do MP because it's such mindless pea-shooting fun.

I first played ME3 at the tail end of March and I haven't been able to play another game since. Mass Effect has kind of become an obsession for me since I got ME3.

I'm having a hard time letting go too. I wanted more time. Recently I've taken to writing, to write out my Shep's past, and sporadic moments through the series, in order to give myself the full picture. It...I've gained more closure this way, the type I wanted, but I still feel that pull. I'm not sure it'll really go away.

Yeah, Mass Effect is the only game I've played since March 5th. Mostly that repetitive multiplayer after going trough the singleplayer, something about the goal of unlocking everything keeps me going. It's actually quite nice to just start the game and casually shoot stuff for an half an hour when I have nothing else to do.

Doing a renegade singleplayer playtrough too, but I won't be finishing it (aka starchild).
It's really weird to be honest. Everyone who could die in the games are dead and he's been single all the time. Liara calls him 'Commander' instead of 'Shepard' and it feels weird. Some nice little differences between LI/non-LI dialogues. I do everything the opposite way compared to my canon run. :/

Tyranniac wrote...

Oh, come on, don't be like that. Is it really such a horrible thing to have to clarify yourself a bit?

Sorry, just gets on my nerves. I post something on this thread and someone somewhere gets offended or jumps out to say that they disagree. Even tho I totally agree with them. My typing must be completely wrong., but enough about that.

Neeh wrote...

Motion capture is cheating! Do want a mo-cap studio.
And just for reference when it comes to hand animating, I belive the average output for animators at pixar is about 4 seconds a week. The brain just knows when things don't look right, without being able to tell you what's missing..

Yeah and multiple people working on them. Wish some high-tech indie group would do something, maybe some full length custom cinematics.
But I have to repeat myself; I admire your and others work and wish to see what people come up with next.

Modifié par Arcataye, 12 mai 2012 - 02:48 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Erenbe wrote...

 Am I the only one tearing up whenever I have the last conversation with Garrus and Liara in London? The others are alright (although Jack sounds as if she starts crying any minute) but as soon as I head up to meet Garrus and then onwards to Liara...damn...
I need ice cream. :crying:

Kaidan, Garrus and Liara had the most hearfelt goodbyes in my opinion.

[cohina]

Erenbe wrote...

 Am I the only one tearing up whenever I have the last conversation with Garrus and Liara in London? The others are alright (although Jack sounds as if she starts crying any minute) but as soon as I head up to meet Garrus and then onwards to Liara...damn...
I need ice cream. :crying:

Like others said before, no, you're not the only one. I have only one complete playthrough so far (working on my second run atm). At the time I reached Earth, it was like 5 or 6 AM, I was really tired in that point and then these final chats with your squaddies, especially the ones with Liara and Garrus = manly tears shed. I hardly saw what was going on on the screen because, even though I was trying not to cry, the tears just filled my eyes making my vision pretty blurry . Let's see if those chats still have the same impact on me when I reach Earth again...

This kind of stuff reminds us about all the good parts of ME series, that despite the horrible "endings" BW still did amazing job with the series. No other movie or book, not to mention a video game, have ever managed to evoke such emotions in me that Mass Effect has. For example I've never cried while watching a movie, have been close a few times though...

[MidnightRaith]

cohina wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...

*Snip*

Now, underneath TS there is an actual theme there, and Starchild actually referenced it himself. "The created will always rebel against the creator."

*Snip*

Don't know if said already, but one thing that makes this so funny is that Starchild also states that he created the Reapers as his solution... so.... if he created the reapers, shouldn't they, according to his logic, rebel against him too then?

Ugh, yes, they should be rebelling against him if the writers wanted to use that theme with any semblance of realism. Really, Starchild, your cuddlefish toys have been acting out your asinine plan for thousands upon thousands of years and they haven't questioned it? At all? <_< It's almost as if whoever ended up writing the ending wanted something that would make us think "Matrix" so badly that they sacrificed anything and everything in a literary sense. One of the worst endings I've ever seen....

[Tyranniac]

 Holy crap, the thread dove straight into ending depression after I left?
I guess I'll just say that I'm remaining cautiously optimistic twoards the Extended Cut. As long as a reunion with Liara is possible and the Starchild is explained better I'll accept it. Wouldn't be great, but I'll accept it at this point.

And with that, can we please change the subject? We all know it sucks, so can't we just talk about something else until the EC is released and we know if all hope is lost or not?