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[Tyranniac]

Yuqi wrote...

I tried to RP it but I just have been playing FF  games for over a decade, and I'm too set in my ways. I tried to RP it but it got frustrating as hell because It just diden't work for me. I played Shep as I would've Tidus/Cloud/Leon/Claude/ect. I lead the character through the game to get their story. 

If you want an exceptional  bittersweet ending, then play or youtube FFX.

Doubt it would make much sense if I just youtubed it. 

Maybe I'll bother to play it someday. Only ever tried FFVII.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Yuqi wrote...


Yeah I meant Final Fantasy actually *cough*

I guess my playstyle makes me the odd one out here.

I never played FF so I'm not sure what you're asking but judging from replies. I guess you're asking if players ID themselves as the protaganist.

For me, not really. I don't regard Shepard as "me/I". I'm nothing like her.  We're poles apart, I'm roaming around the middle, she's in the upper echelon. She's someone I would like to be however. 

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 13 mai 2012 - 10:39 .

[Tyranniac]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

For me, not really. I don't regard Shepard as "me/I". I'm nothing like her.  We're poles apart, I'm roaming around the middle, she's in the upper echelon. She's someone I would like to be however. 

I sort of do a mix. The choices I make with my (main) Shepard are heavily influenced by which decision I think feels right, but that doesn't mean I identify said Shepard as me. The last part of what you said holds true for me as well.

[lillitheris]

Me? No. Mine? Yes.

[Akernis]

Whether I see my character as "me" various. In DAO I fully felt that my charcaters was me, especially since there was no voice so I could fully feel like what my charcater meant and felt like when saying things.

When I originally played ME Shepard was just a character I played not me. However the more I played, and actually in tune with my love for Liara growing ever stronger I began to identitify more with Shepard.
At the time when LotSB came out I I nearly fully identified myself with Shepard in-game, and when ME3 arrived I more or less saw Sheaprd as me.

Ithink this one was shown before, but well it won't hurt to see it again


  

Modifié par Akernis, 13 mai 2012 - 11:19 .

[kyg_20X6]

Akernis wrote...
Ithink this one was shown before, but well it won't hurt to see it again
  

Can't have too much of a good thing.

[Yuqi]

Tyranniac wrote...

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

For me, not really. I don't regard Shepard as "me/I". I'm nothing like her.  We're poles apart, I'm roaming around the middle, she's in the upper echelon. She's someone I would like to be however. 

I sort of do a mix. The choices I make with my (main) Shepard are heavily influenced by which decision I think feels right, but that doesn't mean I identify said Shepard as me. The last part of what you said holds true for me as well.

This does not compute with me, lol.  I can see what you guys mean, but the concept is just so foreign to me. I guess I fall into the 'Narraitive mode' catagory.:innocent:

P.S: Could we slow down on the high res gifs.

Modifié par Yuqi, 13 mai 2012 - 11:44 .

[rubynorman]

MidnightRaith wrote...

I apologize for contributing to the depression, I just never really got the chance to voice my own opinions on it. Rather exploded, didn't it? I've been sitting on it for two months, I suppose it simply festered.....

EDIT: I also expect very little of the EC. I actually think it's going to be bad. You don't "clarify" blatant disregard of theme and literary devices. I'm of the opinion that the ending is simply broken. You can't fix that mess unless you actually change something in it.....

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

So, let's change the subject.

One of the things I absolutely adored about PMC's 'A Thessian's Whisper' was how she gave Liara a real backstory. She's a sports fan, she was involved with someone that wanted to use her standing to get into the higher rungs of Asari society.

And details in the game were sparse enough about her past that it made her interesting and at the same time, an open sandbox for us to play in.

That, my friends, is good characterization.

It's actually my favorite thing about that fic. Not only did it give Liara a very varied backstory, it also expanded on the asari race in general. Everything in it was very believable. I also liked that Liara "experimented" before Shepard. I get that she's essentially a mind virgin, but her being a virgin outright for the past 106 years was a tad... unbelievable to me. So, it wasn't much of a stretch for me to go along with PMC's rendition of her.

The 106 Year Old Virgin... now there's a thought. 

I don't really think that her being a sports fan is that unbelievable. You can be a nerd an enjoy sports at the same time. I'm a nerd and played softball for about 10 years. Not all nerds are allergic to the sun or start breathing hard if they so much as jog down the driveway.  It's also stimulating to look at the strategy behind whatever sport you're watching. Such as American football. Acts a lot like chess when you boil it down....

She said she was barely an adult in ME1 and spend 50 years to study the Prothean. So I think it's ok for her to be 106 Year Old Virgin:lol:

Tyranniac wrote...

lillitheris wrote...



I still think it works better before the SM [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie][smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie][smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie][smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie][smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie][smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png[/smilie]

I'm with you again now!

Me three

kyg_20X6 wrote...

I have a general question for everyone (probably been brought up before, but still...).

What outfit do you give Liara in ME3?

I
give her the white heavy armour. I think, since there is a war on, she
needs greater protection. It's like 'Battle Liara' or something. Same
with Tali, I give her the second one (I think) that has more armour on
the helmet/waist. I also wanted her to (mainly) be wearing something
different then what she was in the last game. I think it's too weird to
see Liara in an Alliance outfit and takes away from the idea that this
is all the races working together, not an Alliance Op. The red/black
version of her coat might have been interesting but I have a hard time
justifying why she'd switch from one jacket to another to go into battle
(don't wanna get it dirty with blood stains?).

And I'm still
peeved that they don't wear what you assign them while they're on the
Normandy. But BW seems to do this across all their games. Still,
annoying...

I give her the Alliance armor and her SB outfit.

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Oh, don't know if this has been posted (aplologies if it has, though can't hurt seeing it again).

For those that wanted a date... [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie]

*snip*

Credit: mallyxable

:wub:

[speedy111280]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

speedy111280 wrote...

That would be a good thought except for the fact that Liara herself says that she knew it was really Shepard the moment she touched Shepard on Illium.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was a retcon. I wouldn't be certain BW had this in mind when they wrote the ME2 scenes. That being said, she could have had doubts. Either way, she comes to terms with things relatively quickly (if you LotSB straight away). I mean, how would you react in that set of circumstances? But yeah, that line does put a crinkle in my idea.

But we agree on Liara's general mode of coping: throwing herself into her work. I think it's how she coped when on digs (and not having friends/family around) and how she's coped since, just the work has changed. Aside: I roleplay that my Shepard is similar, in that she lost her family and friends on Mindoir. She throws herself into her duty to cope. Never had any lasting relationships. Liara's fascination with her in ME1 flattered her and she felt a connection with Liara's isolation. You know the rest, romance grew from there. True love. <3

That line in ME3 could be a retcon but since it's part of the official dialogue for Liara it's part of her story now. I don't have the same distaste for retcons that a lot of other people seem to, it may be a side effect of being a fan of the Star Wars EU where retcons are par for the course. If it is a retcon, it's actually one of the more believable retcons I've ever encountered given the nature of the Asari joinings and mind melds. If anyone could tell it was really Shep with just a touch Liara would be the one.

From what little Liara has told Shep about her life before they met and when she was younger, I would wager that Liara spent a lot of time alone and she kept herself occupied with studying when she was young and working once she was older. So now turning to work has become her way of coping with any emotions or situations, and it's usually her first response, though after LotSB and Thessia it seems she might be learning to turn to Shepard more at those times, since she wouldn't even admit to Shepard that she was feeling any real emotions about her mothers death in ME1.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Yuqi wrote...
(I have to admit I also ship MshepxFshep...just because..:innocent:)

What?

[Tyranniac]

speedy111280 wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

speedy111280 wrote...

That would be a good thought except for the fact that Liara herself says that she knew it was really Shepard the moment she touched Shepard on Illium.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was a retcon. I wouldn't be certain BW had this in mind when they wrote the ME2 scenes. That being said, she could have had doubts. Either way, she comes to terms with things relatively quickly (if you LotSB straight away). I mean, how would you react in that set of circumstances? But yeah, that line does put a crinkle in my idea.

That line in ME3 could be a retcon but since it's part of the official dialogue for Liara it's part of her story now. I don't have the same distaste for retcons that a lot of other people seem to, it may be a side effect of being a fan of the Star Wars EU where retcons are par for the course. If it is a retcon, it's actually one of the more believable retcons I've ever encountered given the nature of the Asari joinings and mind melds. If anyone could tell it was really Shep with just a touch Liara would be the one.

Okay, I don't get it. In what way is that line a retcon?

[rubynorman]

My laptop's energy just died out.
*uses the phone*
Mass Effect made a huge impact on me. DA, KOTOR, Skyrim, Fall Out, FF, Kingdom Hearts, Deus Ex... when I play these game I feel like I am not completely in the game, I don't care much about the character that I'm playing or other characters. But when I play ME, I think I left a part of me in my canon Shep. Her choices are my choices, I share her emotions, her moments, her friendship/love/caring/sympathy.. for other characters likes Garrus, Mordin, Joker Thane, Legion...etc.. and ahem Liara. I've never felt so satisfied/moved/depressed/on the edge when I play other games.

[Tyranniac]

rubynorman wrote...

My laptop's energy just died out.
*uses the phone*
Mass Effect made a huge impact on me. DA, KOTOR, Skyrim, Fall Out, FF, Kingdom Hearts, Deus Ex... when I play these game I feel like I am not completely in the game, I don't care much about the character that I'm playing or other characters. But when I play ME, I think I left a part of me in my canon Shep. Her choices are my choices, I share her emotions, her moments, her friendship/love/caring/sympathy.. for other characters likes Garrus, Mordin, Joker Thane, Legion...etc.. and ahem Liara. I've never felt so satisfied/moved/depressed/on the edge when I play other games.

Of course. Only game series that has made me cry, and only series that has made me smile. (Laughing is one thing, but have never smiled because of a game other than ME.)

[kyg_20X6]

Tyranniac wrote...

Okay, I don't get it. In what way is that line a retcon?

I was saying that the fact she says it in ME3 doesn't mean BW had that in mine when they wrote her scenes in ME2. But may have just decided to add it in ME3. So, a possible retcon. But, whatever they intended, it's canon now.

And let me be clear, I love that bit of dialogue on Cerberus HQ.

[Tyranniac]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

Okay, I don't get it. In what way is that line a retcon?

I was saying that the fact she says it in ME3 doesn't mean BW had that in mine when they wrote her scenes in ME2. But may have just decided to add it in ME3. So, a possible retcon. But, whatever they intended, it's canon now.

And let me be clear, I love that bit of dialogue on Cerberus HQ.

I agree they may not have planned it in ME2, but it doesn't actually overwrite anything that was previously established, so then it is not a retcon, right?

Edit: Yeah, great dialogue. 

Modifié par Tyranniac, 13 mai 2012 - 01:03 .

[Dude on Fire]

[kyg_20X6]

Tyranniac wrote...

Of course. Only game series that has made me cry, and only series that has made me smile. (Laughing is one thing, but have never smiled because of a game other than ME.)

I know that feel bro.

I teared up (mostly happy) at all the Liara romance scenes. Grunt's 'sacrifice' moved me. The 'goodbyes'. The ending made me sad at the time and depressed for weeks (still refuse to play it). But, like you said, no game has ever got such emotional reactions out of me.

[DarkCloudd]

Yuqi wrote...

Did anyone else here notice Shepard gets 'saved' alot more in ME3.

Yes dear god this. Of all the ways that ME3 went this is one of the things that pissed me off the most. I'm not completely sure how to express it but it seems like they threw Shepard under the bus the entire game, just so they could kill Shep off at the end of the game and have the new players in ME3 believe Shepard wasn't suppose to live. It also seemd like all of those upgrades that you gave Shepard in ME2 became completely worthless during the 6 month "Alliance Paid Vacation".

[Tyranniac]

DarkCloudd wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

Did anyone else here notice Shepard gets 'saved' alot more in ME3.

Yes dear god this. Of all the ways that ME3 went this is one of the things that pissed me off the most. I'm not completely sure how to express it but it seems like they threw Shepard under the bus the entire game, just so they could kill Shep off at the end of the game and have the new players in ME3 believe Shepard wasn't suppose to live. It also seemd like all of those upgrades that you gave Shepard in ME2 became completely worthless during the 6 month "Alliance Paid Vacation".

I don't quite see how Shepard getting saved a few times is a problem. I do think they should have showed Shepard making use of her cybernetic upgrades more often though, even if I think the sheer fighting strength, stamina and survivability she has in ME3 shows it to some degree. I mean, an ordinary N7 operative with only a few augmentations wouldn't be able to fight like Shepard (granted, she was probably the best of the N7 operatives even before ME2).

[VarrenSoldier]

kyg_20X6 wrote...
Would be cool if she ever gets some asari commando leathers. Maybe a gift from dad?

And then years after the Reaper war, her child will comment that she walked in on dad's "special nights" with mom.

[Tyranniac]

VarrenSoldier wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...
Would be cool if she ever gets some asari commando leathers. Maybe a gift from dad?

And then years after the Reaper war, her child will comment that she walked in on dad's "special nights" with mom.

"The pattern has repeated itself more times than you can fathom..."

[Akernis]

Tyranniac wrote...

VarrenSoldier wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...
Would be cool if she ever gets some asari commando leathers. Maybe a gift from dad?

And then years after the Reaper war, her child will comment that she walked in on dad's "special nights" with mom.

"The pattern has repeated itself more times than you can fathom..."

Oh dear... poor child, but her parents are probably enjoying themselves.

[Tyranniac]

frudi wrote...

I guess I'm the only one who thinks that Liara's line on Cronos Stations isn't meant to be taken entirely literally? I imagine she's just trying to comfort Shepard and ease her (Shepard's) doubts, taking some poetic license with her words. While I do trust she would be able to tell if Shepard had been replaced or even altered, I would imagine it would be as the two of them spend some meaningful time together. She certainly doesn't posses any ability to literally recognise Shepard just by touch, like at their first reunion on Illium.
In fact, if anyone could identify Shepard just by touch, it would be Javik

I don't think anyone is saying it should be taken completely literally. Although I do think that the initial kiss on Illium felt "right" to her, if that makes any sense.

Edit: Oh, this was a top, was it?

Modifié par Tyranniac, 13 mai 2012 - 03:22 .

[Akernis]

frudi wrote...
I guess I'm the only one who thinks that Liara's line on Cronos Stations isn't meant to be taken entirely literally? I imagine she's just trying to comfort Shepard and ease her (Shepard's) doubts, taking some poetic license with her words. While I do trust she would be able to tell if Shepard had been replaced or even altered, I would imagine it would be as the two of them spend some meaningful time together. She certainly doesn't posses any ability to literally recognise Shepard just by touch, like at their first reunion on Illium.
In fact, if anyone could identify Shepard just by touch, it would be Javik

I think trying to rationalise the satement makes it loose its impact. I might just be romantazising but it is my belief that she just "knew" Shepard was really him/herself after they touched again, recognising the psyche or soul of the person she loved.

If you want to get technical I would assume that she opened her mind to Shepard, not a melding, just enough to recognise the essence of the person she knew.

Modifié par Akernis, 13 mai 2012 - 03:34 .