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[Pineappletree]

frudi wrote...
And to be clear, I am only suggesting using nukes on Reapers in space. Those that are planetside should naturally be destroyed by conventional means (i.e. orbital bombardment). The codex states that capital class Reapers have to drastically lower their mass to land on a planet, leaving their barriers significantly weakened and thus much more vulnerable.
Reapers on planets should therefore be pretty much seating ducks for a fleet in orbit, and if they try to take off and engage their attackers in space, they are once again open for a space nuking .

Hmm, that sounds as if it would lead to quite a bit of "hide and seek", with Reaper and Citadel fleets constantly changing their positions, retreating just to push forward again, landing on a planet just to take off again, trying to avoid nuclear explosions in the near vicinity while pushing the enemy into them and so on and so forth

It'd be a nightmare to coordinate but I admit it does make the strategy appear quite a lot more feasable.

TheCrimsonSpire wrote...
@FdL_Ananas I'm curious to see, which
crew member you're going to "Old Time" next? Your Liara photo is one of
the best I've seen so far, and I'm eagerly anticipating what else you
have in store.

Great to hear, thanks! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

I didn't have the time to start a new "photo" yet, but to be honest, at the moment chances are high that the next one or two will feature Liara again. I started this "experiment" with her in mind and therefore I have lots of different ideas for her.

But who knows, plans may change and I definitely want to work with other characters as well.I have a notion who of them will be the first, but that has to remain a secret for now

frudi wrote...
*sees mention of pineapple's newest Liara piece, goes to dA to enjoy the masterpiece once more, brain inevitably melts again...*

*apologises in advance if anything he manages to post for a while will be incoherent gibberish*

I don't know, somehow it seems cruel to do that to people. Maybe I should start making terribly exiting pictures of rocks!

Yes!

There will be sharp rocks on a street,
green rocks in a forrest,
large rocks on a mountain,
cracked rocks in a desert,
small, round rocks on Liara's flawless, draped body, barely conceiling ...
Ah damn, there I go again ...


And before I derail the thread even more, I'll put this late hour to use by going to bed. See ya'll soon

Modifié par FdL_Ananas, 14 mai 2012 - 01:14 .

[TheCrimsonSpire]

Oh god, Pineapple, if you want to do more Liara stuff, PLEASE do!

I would rather see more Liara stuff personally, but I only mentioned other characters, because that's what I thought you had in mind originally.

Basically, I need more of my blueberry princess /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/137351.gif

[DarkCloudd]

Tyranniac wrote...

Akernis wrote...

While I would have liked to have it be a little more equal about who saves who when across all three games so wasn't Shepard saves everyone in the first/second and people saves him/her in the third" I still feel that the fact that Shepard opens up with doupts and worry makes him/her more human and less like... well an action hero who just saves averyone and the world wihtouth breaking a sweat.

i generally liked the humanity the Shepard showed in ME3. 

I think it makes sense that it is in the third game that this occurs, since Shepard has never been under this much pressure before.

I hate to bring this back to the endings again but maybe thats why it feels so off to me. I do agree that I like seeing a more human side to Shepard but with the way the ending is maybe thats why its so jarring to me. You spend the entire game with squadmates helping you get back on your feet and the one time you really need someone, Joker is like "Ah don't worry guys she can take a lazer to the face, lets go get set up on that tropical planet for a nice quiet getaway!" "Nah don't worry she won't miss us, she will have plenty of other things to do." That is the OOC part to me, maybe thats why its coloring the rest of the game a little off to me.

Edit: Yes Pineapple please keep up the wonderful work!!!

Modifié par DarkCloudd, 14 mai 2012 - 01:22 .

[Aristobulus500]

Of course there's a bias here, but I have to agree I'd rather see more Liara works. The other fanbases already cover their own characters AND spend their time ****ting on Liara, it's not like we have to throw them bones if they don't us~

[DarkCloudd]

Eh? We are so not biased, what are you talking about? Bias on the internet in a thread specifically for our wonderful blue Goddess? I see no such thing and will not be convinced otherwise...

[Airell]

If Liara is not ready to have kids at 109 I can see her and shep opening a orphanage for all the asari childern who lost there parents. even if shepard dies in your game I can see her doing that. to help her people

Modifié par Airell, 14 mai 2012 - 05:44 .

[kyg_20X6]

Airell wrote...

If Liara is not ready to have kids at 109 I can see her and shep opening a orphanage for all the asari childern who lost there parents. even if shepard dies in your game I can see her doing that. to help her people

I think she wants to have kids with Shepard (they've mentioned it more than once, and it's always in the plural, not just one kid). And Shepard, being human, has only maybe 100 years left (life expectancy is longer in ME right?), and there's no telling how Shepard's cybernetics or the damage she takes at the end of ME3 effect that. And Shepard wants kids too. I'm sure she'd like to have some while she's young and spry enough to enjoy them. And she'd want to see them grow up (Asari take longer to mature, so the earlier the better I'd guess).

I see Shepard retiring from service after the war. She's more than done her part and I'm sure she's not in the best of shape post-ME3. I see Liara ceasing to be the Shadow Broker. I see her helping her people and using all the talents she's acquired over the years to, eventually, move into diplomacy (like her mother). I see her and Shepard moving to Thessia to help with the rebuilding and raise the kids. Liara would probably refrain from any permanant work while Shepard is with her, so they can spend as much time together as they can and with the kids.

On another note, marriage. Do you think she'd be Liara T'Soni-Shepard? I think Benezia kept her maiden name to appear 'available' but that's not something Liara would do. But I do think she'd keep the T'Soni part as I think she's proud of her mother and also what she's brought to the name herself. But equally as proud to be with Shepard.

[Yuqi]

DarkCloudd wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

Did anyone else here notice Shepard gets 'saved' alot more in ME3.

Yes dear god this. Of all the ways that ME3 went this is one of the things that pissed me off the most. I'm not completely sure how to express it but it seems like they threw Shepard under the bus the entire game, just so they could kill Shep off at the end of the game and have the new players in ME3 believe Shepard wasn't suppose to live. It also seemd like all of those upgrades that you gave Shepard in ME2 became completely worthless during the 6 month "Alliance Paid Vacation".

I understand the need to make him/her appear more human ,but man it's overkill.. Sometimes I wish there was a 'turn forshadowing off' button.It's also counter productive. What 'new customer' wants to go through a depressing game again? I can't go through the italian version again the gift scene is 100x more heartbreaking.

At least they didn't keep the Virmire 2.0 situation.

@Lizard Viking

This pic is why I ship them. BTW are you in the vicinity of the Manabar?

Modifié par Yuqi, 14 mai 2012 - 06:45 .

[Sarcastic Tasha]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

I think she wants to have kids with Shepard (they've mentioned it more than once, and it's always in the plural, not just one kid). And Shepard, being human, has only maybe 100 years left (life expectancy is longer in ME right?), and there's no telling how Shepard's cybernetics or the damage she takes at the end of ME3 effect that. And Shepard wants kids too. I'm sure she'd like to have some while she's young and spry enough to enjoy them. And she'd want to see them grow up (Asari take longer to mature, so the earlier the better I'd guess).

I see Shepard retiring from service after the war. She's more than done her part and I'm sure she's not in the best of shape post-ME3. I see Liara ceasing to be the Shadow Broker. I see her helping her people and using all the talents she's acquired over the years to, eventually, move into diplomacy (like her mother). I see her and Shepard moving to Thessia to help with the rebuilding and raise the kids. Liara would probably refrain from any permanant work while Shepard is with her, so they can spend as much time together as they can and with the kids.

On another note, marriage. Do you think she'd be Liara T'Soni-Shepard? I think Benezia kept her maiden name to appear 'available' but that's not something Liara would do. But I do think she'd keep the T'Soni part as I think she's proud of her mother and also what she's brought to the name herself. But equally as proud to be with Shepard.

I've often wondered what asari do about last names when they marry. I know a lot of women are keeping their last names now because why the hell not. But it does make things awkward if you have kids. People can't just hyphenate forever or in a few generations people's names will be obscenely long. So I figure asari probably just keep their own names and the kids take the mam's name.

[kyg_20X6]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I've often wondered what asari do about last names when they marry. I know a lot of women are keeping their last names now because why the hell not. But it does make things awkward if you have kids. People can't just hyphenate forever or in a few generations people's names will be obscenely long. So I figure asari probably just keep their own names and the kids take the mam's name.

Maybe they're just like us, a mixture. Wifes can choose to keep their own, take on their spouse's or hyphenate. Children probably take on the father's name (maybe Benezia gave Liara her maiden name due to her estranged relationship with Aethyta). So, maybe Shepard and Liara's children will be, say, Aria Shepard or Samara Shepard (for example).

Also, I can't remember if this is addressed in-game, but would femshep be considered Liara's husband or wife? I know she'd be considered a father (at least in Asari eyes), but would she also be considered a husband? Hmm...

[AlexMBrennan]

And regardless, I'd have thought that they'd want their kids to be able to grow up without the pressure of having *The Shepard* as father.

[kyg_20X6]

frudi wrote...

I don't think the logic or significance of asari last names is ever explained, so all we have to go on is speculation and headcanon.
With that in mind, I think there is little reason to assume asari would be in the habit of taking their partners' last names, same goes for determining their daughters' last names. With their long lifespans and long maturation times of their daughters, they typically outlive their partners and often raise children on their own. Consequently, the mother would be considered the more prominent or central figure in the family. So I imagine it would be the norm for the family name to just pass on from mother to daughter. It just seems to make more sense for such a matriarchal society.

IDK, I just can't see Liara letting Shepard's memory/legacy just disappear. And you have to remember the children are as much Shepard's, as they are Liara's, and Shepard would have her own human-centric expectations.

frudi wrote...

She'd be consedered Liara's bondmate. I don't think asari even have a concept of husband and wife, being monogendered and all.

Yes, good point. 'Bondmate' is probably correct. "Bondmate and wife", in Shepard's eyes.

[Yuqi]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I've often wondered what asari do about last names when they marry. I know a lot of women are keeping their last names now because why the hell not. But it does make things awkward if you have kids. People can't just hyphenate forever or in a few generations people's names will be obscenely long. So I figure asari probably just keep their own names and the kids take the mam's name.

Maybe they're just like us, a mixture. Wifes can choose to keep their own, take on their spouse's or hyphenate. Children probably take on the father's name (maybe Benezia gave Liara her maiden name due to her estranged relationship with Aethyta). So, maybe Shepard and Liara's children will be, say, Aria Shepard or Samara Shepard (for example).

Also, I can't remember if this is addressed in-game, but would femshep be considered Liara's husband or wife? I know she'd be considered a father (at least in Asari eyes), but would she also be considered a husband? Hmm...

I think it would just be Bondmate, because some of the species don't have a gender at all.  Come to think of it their was that human female soldier who was trying to send her daughter to Thessia.(I see what they did there...)

Urrgh  I'm hating the Tsovik I'm seeing...

[kyg_20X6]

Yuqi wrote...

I think it would just be Bondmate, because some of the species don't have a gender at all.  Come to think of it their was that human female soldier who was trying to send her daughter to Thessia.(I see what they did there...)

Urrgh  I'm hating the Tsovik I'm seeing...

Excuse my ignorance, but I'm not sure what you're getting at here (bold). 

Modifié par kyg_20X6, 14 mai 2012 - 10:11 .

[Akernis]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

I think it would just be Bondmate, because some of the species don't have a gender at all.  Come to think of it their was that human female soldier who was trying to send her daughter to Thessia.(I see what they did there...)

Urrgh  I'm hating the Tsovik I'm seeing...

Excuse my ignorance, but I'm not sure what you're getting at here (bold). 

There is an human female soldier in the game you can hear in the embassies, she mentions that her bondmate is gone of to fight in the war and the asari that is trying to help her send her child back to Thessia asks her whether she is *insert asari name i can't recall*'s bondmate.

So I think that Yugi is trying to say that rather than be bondmate & wife/husmand it would simply be called bondmates as both partners in the relationship would be termed bondmates.

Though I have no idea what she means by Tsovik.

As a side note I really like the term bondmates, my Shepard would always use that term rather than the human wife/husbond termonology.

About the names in my headcanon the children would get both names, when they grow older they can chose whether they want to keep both or just chose one.

With Shepard and Liara I wouldn't want for one to give up their last name for the other, I think that either both would keep their respective last names or both would add the other's to indicate that they were toghether. My Shepard would certainly no have anything against gaining T'soni.... in both ways  

Modifié par Akernis, 14 mai 2012 - 10:30 .

[d32f123]

 

[Theodoro]

frudi wrote...
So, while I agree Liara would wish to preserve Shepard's legacy, I think she would do so in other, more meaningful ways.

Well, I think she's already done so: the time capsule is one of the possible ways to preserve Shepard's legacy.

It was very thoughtful of her and I'd imagine that out of the sheer respect she has for Shepard, Liara would ensure that his/her name lives on, regardless of whether they're together.

Modifié par Theodoro, 14 mai 2012 - 10:54 .

[kyg_20X6]

Frudi wrote...

I'm with Akernis on this one, I love the term 'bondmate' and can't imagine Shep ever referring to Liara as something else. Well, maybe she'd be forced to use 'wife' for bureaucratic purposes if said bureaucracy is not yet up to date with realities of interspecies relationships . I suppose other humans would usually refer to Liara as Shepard's wife though... at least until Shepard corrects them .

Yeah, that's sort of what I was getting at. I think it'd take Shepard some time to get used to the term herself (but she'd be more than willing).

[kyg_20X6]

Theodoro wrote...

frudi wrote...
So, while I agree Liara would wish to preserve Shepard's legacy, I think she would do so in other, more meaningful ways.

Well, I think she's already done so: the time capsule is one of the possible ways to preserve Shepard's legacy.

It was very thoughtful of her and I'd imagine that out of the sheer respect she has for Shepard, Liara would ensure that his/her name lives on, regardless of whether they're together.

For humans, carrying on a name is an important part of carrying on a legacy/memory. The time capsule thing is more a contingency in case they fail. With civilization carrying on, they're sort of redundant (although the sentiment of the act remains and is important, of course).

Modifié par kyg_20X6, 14 mai 2012 - 11:07 .

[Robhuzz]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I've often wondered what asari do about last names when they marry. I know a lot of women are keeping their last names now because why the hell not. But it does make things awkward if you have kids. People can't just hyphenate forever or in a few generations people's names will be obscenely long. So I figure asari probably just keep their own names and the kids take the mam's name.

Maybe they're just like us, a mixture. Wifes can choose to keep their own, take on their spouse's or hyphenate. Children probably take on the father's name (maybe Benezia gave Liara her maiden name due to her estranged relationship with Aethyta). So, maybe Shepard and Liara's children will be, say, Aria Shepard or Samara Shepard (for example).

Also, I can't remember if this is addressed in-game, but would femshep be considered Liara's husband or wife? I know she'd be considered a father (at least in Asari eyes), but would she also be considered a husband? Hmm...

I missed the conversation with Aethyta in ME3 - silly me - but I never got the impression that the Benezia/Aethyta union was any more than a fling. Certainly they hadn't been together long enough to get married? Therefore Liara would automatically receive Benezia's surname.

And I imagine if they get married (or bonded) it wouldn't be the same as for humans. From what little I remember, wives have always taken their husband's names because the man was traditionally the 'leader' or 'head' of the household or family. With every asari technically being a mother figure, I doubt the 'father' of an asari family would take the same leadership role. So there'd be no reason for the asari to take her bondmate's surname.

Interesting subject though. These are just my 2 cents.

And Liara would, like others have said, refer to Shepard as her bondmate. The words husband/wife most likely do not exist in asari society.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 14 mai 2012 - 11:03 .

[Aristobulus500]

I really like the term "bondmate" myself. It's different than the "husband/wife" we use, and I feel in a way it's a bit more equal. I think Shep/Liara would mostly use the term bondmate to describe themselves, though Shepard might use human terms when talking to other humans - I think even a Male Shep is going to mostly use bondmate out of respect for Liara and the Asari culture though, rather than use husband/wife.

As for the last name issue, this is a bit more complicated. I want to say they'd either take "T'soni" or they would mix up the last names, so some would have "T'Soni" as a last name and some "Shepard". It's really hard to guess here, would have to know more about Asari culture, and it's really just speculation to say.

Something else here - Asari last names in general - I believe we don't know enough about Asari culture to know how they come up with their last names or if they have any special meaning. It seems like a lot of Asari use something like [some letter]'[Name] though, doesn't it? T'Soni, T'Loak. Do we know any other Asari last names? I'd really like to know what the reasoning is behind that, what it means, if there is a meaning.

[kyg_20X6]

Robhuzz wrote...

Interesting subject though. These are just my 2 cents.

And Liara would, like others have said, refer to Shepard as her bondmate. The words husband/wife most likely do not exist in asari society.

On that note, 'bondmate' doesn't exist in non-Asari vocabulary. It's interesting to think what the compromise is.

'Bondmate' seems somewhat clinical. Does it just refer to who the Asari received the genetic data from? The codex says these relationships can be flings for reproduction or long-lasting relationships. Do they use 'bondmate' for both? Would Shepard (and maybe even Liara) want to use something that better represents the level of commitment/devotion in their own situation?

Interesting...