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[Tyranniac]

Lizardviking wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...
I meant with others, as in with other
people. Although I would like single player games that explore the
galaxy as well. I was just wondering if you have any interest in
exploring the Mass Effect universe with other people. Some roleplaying
and such.

Oh I misread you then!

But no. I have zero interest in playing story driven games with other people.

Well, I think that the story driven games should be kept single player. The appeal of playing with others would be do develop your own stories and characters in the rich setting that Mass Effect is.

Aristobulus500 wrote...

How many times do I have to repeat this - that's why all of my arguments have been about what you could do if the endings were better and restored things to a status quo. If the endings weren't what they are.

Of course with the endings as they are, the IP is torched and you can't set a game after it.

 

Even if the EC fixes the ending that doesn't mean they have to remove the choices. I actually have nothing against the choices. (Although I do think that Synthesis should lead to everyone becoming mindless slaves to the Reapers.)

[Arcataye]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

You know, on the subject of MMOs, I think there is a ton of potential in it that a lot of you are overlooking because you think an MMO has to be World of Warcraft.

Well every MMO that has come out after WoW has been advertised as something way different and new. People praise them as WoW killers before release. Then it's revealed that it's just another game with the same old gameplay, quests and everything. I guess that's one of the reasons why almost everyone dislikes that MMO-idea.

Tyranniac wrote...

Well, I think that the story driven games should be kept single player.

Agree.
There's already that Star Wars MMO from Bioware. It was supposed to be an epic new style of story-driven MMO.
Okay, there's some story, but it doesn't come even close to what Mass Effect has to offer in terms of getting attached to the story and the characters. Also, there are the same damn old "kill 50 droids" or similar quests to be played.
We've already seen how Bioware does an MMO. It didn't impress me at all.

I still would love more Mass Effect games. The ideas people have come up in here are great.
But I don't actually care about what point of the timeline it would be because my voice on that doesn't matter, they'll go with whatever EA wants. People can hope for something, like a ME3 ending that they promised before release, but it will never happen anyways.

Somehow the idea of a Mass Effect game without the characters we got to know during these years somehow feels wrong, but well, they have to move on I guess. Has there been any news about Bioware doing some new gameseries next?
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I'm pretty sure I've typed something with the wrong meaning, but I'm too tired to read through..

Modifié par Arcataye, 15 mai 2012 - 04:48 .

[Tyranniac]

Arcataye wrote...
I still would love more Mass Effect games. The ideas people have come up in here are great.
But I don't actually care about what point of the timeline it would be because my voice on that doesn't matter, they'll go with whatever EA wants. People can hope for something, like a ME3 ending that they promised before release, but it will never happen anyways.

Surely you must still have a preference even if that preference doesn't influence what games they make? 

[Sunnie]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

Worries by ma-rin

Hmmm... looks more like Samara, than Liara, to me.

That was my thought when I first seen it over on dA.

[Thessaly77]

I think this is really cute:

Scheming Shepard (with Liara, of course)
http://enstasis.tumb...you-give-to-the

edit: for some reason, it is not allowing me to link it

Modifié par Thessaly77, 15 mai 2012 - 05:17 .

[Sunnie]

Thessaly77 wrote...

I think this is really cute:

Scheming Shepard (with Liara, of course)
http://enstasis.tumb...you-give-to-the

edit: for some reason, it is not allowing me to link it

It's actually 2 different images... here you go!

Modifié par Sunnie22, 15 mai 2012 - 05:17 .

[Thessaly77]

Thank you, Sunnie22! I finally managed to get the link working but what you did is better

[Erenbe]

Arcataye wrote...
Well every MMO that has come out after WoW has been advertised as something way different and new. People praise them as WoW killers before release. Then it's revealed that it's just another game with the same old gameplay, quests and everything. I guess that's one of the reasons why almost everyone dislikes that MMO-idea.

words words words

There's already that Star Wars MMO from Bioware. It was supposed to be an epic new style of story-driven MMO.
Okay, there's some story, but it doesn't come even close to what Mass Effect has to offer in terms of getting attached to the story and the characters. Also, there are the same damn old "kill 50 droids" or similar quests to be played.
We've already seen how Bioware does an MMO. It didn't impress me at all.

This. Every other MMO claims to be the new holy grail in online gaming...and in the end you get the same grinding, dungeon runs, raids, and sucky PvP that you have in every other game. SWTOR was an interesting thing mostly due to the voiced NPCs. Storywise...yeah well....except for the Imperial Agent story line all the others fall flat (imho). It has a ton of bugs and it took them AGES to mend a few of them...and don't even mention the support.  

So unless a ME MMO comes up with some really epic new ideas for gameplay, etc, that will distinguish it clearly from what else is out there, it will be another of those short lived "yay we managed to get 500k subscribers" MMOs that will turn F2P in 2 years. 

So me personally....I don't need one because I am convinced that it will be just another one in a long list of MMOs that one can play.



Now, another ME game as a prequel...sure...that sounds interesting enough. Maybe set in the cycle of the Protheans from the point of views of the reapers. "Fight your way through heavy Prothean resistance, indoctrinate at will and send your lackeys to do odd jobs for you, destroy entire worlds on your way to absolute galactic power. RULE THE GALAXY!"  

Edit: quoting magic!

Modifié par Erenbe, 15 mai 2012 - 05:40 .

[Theodoro]

Mass Effect MMO? Not a chance in hell if I had anything to say about it.

I'd hate to see Mass Effect brought down to the level of endless grinding, fetch quests, 'dungeon' equivalents and the like. Not to mention that this feeling when you're playing through any story content is lost when you're surrounded by the common MMO crowd around you. I just can't immerse myself in a story that way. I'm still mad that instead of an epic end to a single-player RPG trilogy it was decided that BioWare would develop The Old Republic MMO instead. It cheapens the universe it's set in, and the same would happen with Mass Effect if it's done.

It's just a risk we can't afford to take - hell, putting my trust again in BioWare's single-player RPGs would be hard enough to do now. No matter how hard gaming companies try - story and character driven styled games such as Mass Effect and MMOs simply don't mix. Even if they did pull off something, it wouldn't be nowhere close as to the experience you'd normally get when you play your own story.

Of course, this is just my opinion, but I hold firm to it.

Modifié par Theodoro, 15 mai 2012 - 06:34 .

[MidnightRaith]

I think it would be interesting to see a ME MMO. It would already go against the holy trinity class mechanics since we have no real healer class. Pretty much just classes that are tanks/damage and CC. They would just need to do something similar to GW2. So long as it gets away from that static MMO feeling and makes an effort at making a universe, then it could be pretty good.

The arguments y'all are making for a single player game vs an MMO are essentially the same. Single player games would have just as much problems fitting into the lore as an MMO. BW royally screwed up the endings and I just don't see any game being viable that would occur after ME3. And if the forums are any indication, there isn't much interest in prequel games.

Also since this is ME, it doesn't have to have a static, classic RPG combat system. Keep the gunplay which is already similar to PS:O as Aristobolus said.

However, the biggest problem with this is that it would be developed by Bioware. They just don't have the creativity to make an innovative MMO if TOR is any indication. The storylines are alright, but the universe is extremely static and the quests are repetitive grind machines. The idea has a ton of potential, it just wouldn't have great implementation....

[Akernis]

I am in on the "no to Mass Effect MMO" MMOs are generally not appealing to me the way Single Player games are.
Though I would display Neeh's gif that Aristobulus also linked to.

[Aristobulus500]

How did you link that in your post? I tried and it just blanked out my entire post. I'm glad you found a way though, cause too many people were passing over it, it's amazingly well done.

I want to link it near the top of the next page.

Modifié par Aristobulus500, 15 mai 2012 - 06:48 .

[TheMarshal]

 Conceptually speaking, I am 100% behind a Mass Effect MMO.  The universe is too ripe for storytelling to contain everything by following one character through three games.
That said, MMOs are utter crap when it comes to storytelling.  MUDs were a little better, because people were willing to RP along for the most part, and the "story" was mostly relegated to the realm of headcanons.  MMOs cater to the min/maxers and raiders, and it is rare to find those that are actually interested in developing a character.  Plus, the nature of MMO combat does not lend itself well to shooters (tanks? healers?)

Unless Bioware was to come up with a completely new vision for a MMORPG, I'd say any attempt at making a Mass Effect MMO would be doomed to failure.

Plus, no Liara!

[Theodoro]

Neeh's new animation really is fantastic. It's very sensual and it flows naturally. Rarely do you see such detailed kisses rendered right, but this is one of them. And I find the atmosphere just right - Ilium, if I'm not mistaken!

Modifié par Theodoro, 15 mai 2012 - 06:57 .

[fluffywalrus]

I have to say, I really do like neeh's stuff. Most of the gifs are very well done.
However, I find that neeh misses the mark a little at times, when the bodies are too static. Not saying the above animation isn't great, it's just a bit stiff..a little awkward...when it comes to the spacing and positioning of their bodies across the animation.

Though everything else is perfect and spot on.

Though I can't say I blame him. He still gets excellent results, and all the extra work to get a slight bit more love from me isn't really worth the effort

[Sarcastic Tasha]

I'll be honest I didn't really realise there was anything in the background of that animation until someone mentioned it.

[Aristobulus500]

fluffywalrus wrote...

I have to say, I really do like neeh's stuff. Most of the gifs are very well done.
However, I find that neeh misses the mark a little at times, when the bodies are too static. Not saying the above animation isn't great, it's just a bit stiff..a little awkward...when it comes to the spacing and positioning of their bodies across the animation.

Though everything else is perfect and spot on.

Though I can't say I blame him. He still gets excellent results, and all the extra work to get a slight bit more love from me isn't really worth the effort

I'm honestly curious - what would you have them doing? They're supposed to be standing still, making out. Not lashing out or attacking you, it's just an interesting thought, and I'm not really sure how to visualize your criticism.

[Theodoro]

Some M!Shep/Liara:

http://meta.filesmel...hepardliara.jpg

[DarkCloudd]

TheMarshal wrote...

 Conceptually speaking, I am 100% behind a Mass Effect MMO.  The universe is too ripe for storytelling to contain everything by following one character through three games.
That said, MMOs are utter crap when it comes to storytelling.  MUDs were a little better, because people were willing to RP along for the most part, and the "story" was mostly relegated to the realm of headcanons.  MMOs cater to the min/maxers and raiders, and it is rare to find those that are actually interested in developing a character.  Plus, the nature of MMO combat does not lend itself well to shooters (tanks? healers?)

Unless Bioware was to come up with a completely new vision for a MMORPG, I'd say any attempt at making a Mass Effect MMO would be doomed to failure.

Plus, no Liara!
*pic snip*

This is pretty much how I feel too. Yes the ME universe is very conceptually sound for more storytelling but MMOs really aren't the best platform for that kind of story telling. I don't have a problem with MMOs on paper but they are just a different kind of gameplay that not everyone has time for either.

And yea the no Liara would really be a downer too.

[Tyranniac]

TheMarshal wrote...

 Conceptually speaking, I am 100% behind a Mass Effect MMO.  The universe is too ripe for storytelling to contain everything by following one character through three games.
That said, MMOs are utter crap when it comes to storytelling.  MUDs were a little better, because people were willing to RP along for the most part, and the "story" was mostly relegated to the realm of headcanons.  MMOs cater to the min/maxers and raiders, and it is rare to find those that are actually interested in developing a character.  Plus, the nature of MMO combat does not lend itself well to shooters (tanks? healers?)

Unless Bioware was to come up with a completely new vision for a MMORPG, I'd say any attempt at making a Mass Effect MMO would be doomed to failure.

Plus, no Liara!

Just wanted to say that I agree completely. I would like to develop my own character in the Mass Effect universe and roleplay, but as you say, it's rare to find people interested in that.

I hope that is what you were saying or I'll just look dumb. 

[Akernis]

Theodoro wrote...

Some M!Shep/Liara:

http://meta.filesmel...hepardliara.jpg

That is really sweet, thank you
The only thing that bothers me is the Cerberus uniform, would never wear that on princible but that is nothing but a small preference.

@ Aristobulus: I don't know, I just did the same thing I always do when posting pictures and it worked fine.

[Aristobulus500]

Edit out the Cerberus logo and you have to admit it is a pretty cool, casual, comfortable looking suit though - just like what Liara is wearing.

[N172]

fluffywalrus wrote...

Though everything else is perfect and spot on.

There is still another thing that is not perfect:
No alternative Maleshep-version.

[Aristobulus500]

Hah, so quoting a poster on SA for a minute

"They really should just write off the current ME3 as non-canon and completely do it over from scratch."

I wish to **** they would do this. I don't really understand why companies seem to feel they only get one shot at a game - I think an "ME3 Take 2" could really make a ton of money, still. It'll never happen but man I wish they would.

Edit - Since I made top, gonna try to repost Neeh's work again for any new people for the new page.



Worked this time, requoting myself on my commentary.

I really love all the neat touches on this, the fluid animation, the look on their faces and how into it they are...there's a lot of powerful chemistry just in this piece.

One thing I find especially interesting is the way Shepard nips on Liara's lip a bit, but does it slowly and sensually so as not to startle Liara or hurt her at all, she's very careful! Just part of how this thing manages to show off emotion very well.

Also the background is really nice. A bit bright, but colorful and fitting for a place like Illium. I'd think that planet would have really interesting sunsets.

And last, one thing this makes me realize is that...Asari have purple tongues! I don't know if you ever really can see that throughout the games. It's a really neat touch and just adds to that exotic flair. I don't think Shep and Liara ever really make out like this in the games to let you see that on Liara.

Modifié par Aristobulus500, 15 mai 2012 - 08:04 .

[Theodoro]

Aristobulus500 wrote...
"They really should just write off the current ME3 as non-canon and completely do it over from scratch."

I wish to **** they would do this. I don't really understand why companies seem to feel they only get one shot at a game - I think an "ME3 Take 2" could really make a ton of money, still. It'll never happen but man I wish they would.

I really wish they could. Release some kind of Mass Effect 3: Perfect Edition. Not just redo the ending, but also improve on other aspects of Mass Effect 3 that were flawed - such as the lack of choice acknowledgment, specifically whether you saved or destroyed the Collector Base (that could be tied in the new ending).

I'm more mad that for one reason or another they felt compelled to release the game so early and rush it out. Since it's the end of a trilogy, one would expect that more development time would have been put in it. I believe that BioWare would have made a much better job if they were given more time to do so.

Modifié par Theodoro, 15 mai 2012 - 08:11 .