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[Akernis]

Tyranniac wrote...

*Notices thread is conquered by renegades*

*runs away*

Don't worry we are still here, Paragon all the way .

Okay that is not completely true, I am predominantly Paragon with Renegade choices where appropriate.

I will have to say though that I strongly prefers the paragon romance with Liara in nearly all that entails, I do for example help her hack her terminals on Ilium and I prefer the "I never get to surprise you with anything" line over the "you knew?" where it appears Shepard did not figure out that she knew Aethyta is her father dispite him learning it from her terminals in the Shadow Broker ship. 

frudi wrote...
As for Liara always knowing about Shepard's transgressions... I don't think she bugged Shep or her cabin. She would however likely have access to everyone else's personal logs and private communications .

Arcataye wrote...

http://www.foundatio...3-08-518860.jpg
http://www.foundatio...3-08-518879.jpg

Liara statue anyone? It's just a 3D render tho.

Those are actually infinitely better than the official Liara action figure (ugh, sorry for reminding everyone about that one...).

I am with you on both Liara not bugging the place and the statue opinion.

Modifié par Akernis, 19 mai 2012 - 12:28 .

[Tyranniac]

Akernis wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

*Notices thread is conquered by renegades*

*runs away*

Don't worry we are still here, Paragon all the way .

Okay that is not completely true, I am predominantly Paragon with Renegade choices where appropriate.

I will have to say though that I strongly prefers the paragon romance with Liara in nearly all that entails, I do for example help her hack her terminals on Ilium and I prefer the "I never get to surprise you with anything" line over the "you knew?" where it appears Shepard did not figure out that she knew Aethyta is her father dispite him learning it from her terminals in the Shadow Broker ship. 

Mmh, I do both of those as well. On my recent new main playthrough meant to replace my old one I had 1200-ish paragon points and 350-ish renegade points when I finished ME2.

frudi wrote...

Arcataye wrote...

http://www.foundatio...3-08-518860.jpg
http://www.foundatio...3-08-518879.jpg

Liara statue anyone? It's just a 3D render tho.

Those are actually infinitely better than the official Liara action figure (ugh, sorry for reminding everyone about that one...).

 

Why couldn't we get that instead?! <_<

[rubynorman]

frudi wrote...

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

I'll never get Wreav nor Tolan and Wrex won't be killed in all my games. Too blue.   I'll keep losing Mordin sadly. Even though I have second thoughts after hearing the number of Krogan briths in a year, I can only hope Wrex and Eve can revise Krogan society and steer them in another more amiable direction. Otherwise, there will be another war in say 20 - 30 years down the road. Oh right, all the relays went boom. Nvm. Give it 200 years!  

I'll never choose Traynor when there's Liara. She's not a bad char but even if she were to appear in ME 1, she'll never be an option.

Sometimes it's creepy how Liara seems to know everything. I'd suspect she bugged Shepard's quarters and person.

I'm with you on Wreav/Tolan... a whole lot of content that will never happen in any of my games . I usually play ME1 and ME2 about 80/20-90/10 paragon/renegade and always try to do whatever I can to help everyone on my team. I tried doing a renegade playthrough once upon a time, but while I did make it through ME1 I'd given up not far into ME2. I blame KOTOR for ruining my ability to roleplay evil/dark/renegade characters...
Though I do go a bit more renegade in ME3, not so much because the reputation system no longer punishes you for it, but because it just seems more appropriate given the direness of the situation. Shep has a galaxy to save, she's stressed, tired, fed up with everyone's short-sightedness... it's bound to leave her less in control and more prone to emotional reactions.

As for Liara always knowing about Shepard's transgressions... I don't think she bugged Shep or her cabin. She would however likely have access to everyone else's personal logs and private communications .

Arcataye wrote...

http://www.foundatio...3-08-518860.jpg
http://www.foundatio...3-08-518879.jpg

Liara statue anyone? It's just a 3D render tho.

Those are actually infinitely better than the official Liara action figure (ugh, sorry for reminding everyone about that one...).

But that face is ... the badass Liara. I prefer the "normal" Liara
I play as a 95/5 paragon/renegade Shep . I did every missions for my squad

[Erenbe]

Yuqi wrote...
Why does it seem like everyone thinks it's okay to cheat on liara?

Thread Title:
Can I "romance" Diana Allers and still properly romance Liara afterwards?

Why would you even.. This is why with an imported-loyal-ME1-romance  should've been locked in. I don't like the trend of shepards dropping Liara for Traynor. I'm so glad she shuts shepard down if it happens in ME3.

Isn't that along the lines of those people that need to ask "OMG what characters can I f**k in Mass Effect...I need to know it now!"  

I can understand people dropping one char to get it on with another...if they like the other one better than the first than it's a legit reason I would say. But going through games just to see in how many different ways you can hump a NPC and how to hump all of them after each other...yeah well...I don't know. Watch pron or something. 

Maybe I am taking the topic too serious but I wouldn't do such a thing in RL and for me personally it feels wrong doing it in a game...even if it is just a game. It just feels.....awkward and creepy! 

[Arcataye]

Dude on Fire wrote...
Um... we have... hats. You like hats, right? Everybody likes hats! Hats! Hats!

No... and now there's inappropriate/untasteful picture of Liara! I'm scared...

Tyranniac wrote...

frudi wrote...

Arcataye wrote...

http://www.foundatio...3-08-518860.jpg
http://www.foundatio...3-08-518879.jpg

Liara statue anyone? It's just a 3D render tho.

Those are actually infinitely better than the official Liara action figure
(ugh, sorry for reminding everyone about that one...).

Why couldn't we get that instead?! <_<

I would've bought that.
Tho I'd change the face just a bit, hard to say how exactly, but towards the angry looks she shows in the game.

Modifié par Arcataye, 19 mai 2012 - 12:48 .

[Dude on Fire]

Yeah, the distasteful pics are... present at times. I don't post em, but for some reason I have no issue with other people doing it. Wow, I'm a hypocrite.

Modifié par Dude on Fire, 19 mai 2012 - 12:51 .

[Akernis]

Erenbe wrote...

Yuqi wrote...
Why does it seem like everyone thinks it's okay to cheat on liara?

Thread Title:
Can I "romance" Diana Allers and still properly romance Liara afterwards?

Why would you even.. This is why with an imported-loyal-ME1-romance  should've been locked in. I don't like the trend of shepards dropping Liara for Traynor. I'm so glad she shuts shepard down if it happens in ME3.

Isn't that along the lines of those people that need to ask "OMG what characters can I f**k in Mass Effect...I need to know it now!"  

I can understand people dropping one char to get it on with another...if they like the other one better than the first than it's a legit reason I would say. But going through games just to see in how many different ways you can hump a NPC and how to hump all of them after each other...yeah well...I don't know. Watch pron or something. 

Maybe I am taking the topic too serious but I wouldn't do such a thing in RL and for me personally it feels wrong doing it in a game...even if it is just a game. It just feels.....awkward and creepy! 

I agree completly.
I never would (nor did) cheat in the games and especially not with Liara. The one time I wanted to try a new LI in ME2 I made a new playthrough of ME1 to avoid having a romance.

Even when I played ME2 for the first time and I was so sad as I thought I had lost the Liara I knew and loved as I did not get the line where she opened up to Shepard again (could not complete the Observer quest correctly on my first playthrough, could not find the last terminal ) I would rather make a new chaarcter from the ground up than cheat on her.

Luckily I managed to get the line where she opened up to Shepard and realised she was stil the person I loved behind that cold persona and then of course came LotSB

[Arcataye]

LotSB wasn't out when I played ME2. Liara on Illium was cold and distant, totally different than in the first game.
But with the kiss and the talk she displayed that she still cared for Shepard.
Going for another LI never even crossed my mind. It didn't before- or after Illium. It still doesn't.
I was as happy as I could be with just Liara's photo in Shepard's cabin.

Then LotSB came out and blew my mind with awesome and it seems to have done that to many others too.

Modifié par Arcataye, 19 mai 2012 - 02:17 .

[Dude on Fire]

Arcataye wrote...

LotSB wasn't out when I played ME2. Liara on Illium was cold and distant, totally different than in the first game.
But with the kiss and the talk she displayed that she still cared for Shepard.
Going for another LI never even crossed my mind. It didn't before- or after Illium. It still doesn't.
I was as happy as I could be with just Liara's photo in Shepard's cabin.

Then LotSB came out it blew my mind and it seems to have done that to many others too.

I completely missed the cabin photo on my first playthrough and I didn't know LotSB existed, so I just assumed BioWare had trolled me and I almost gave up on her. I actually ended up romancing Miranda (it pretty much played itself) on that first playthrough, which I'm still today ashamed of (not that I don't like Miri). I ended up killing Tali, Legion, Thane and Mordin on SM. It's safe to say I replayed the game.

Modifié par Dude on Fire, 19 mai 2012 - 02:18 .

[kumquats]

Erenbe wrote...

Maybe I am taking the topic too serious but I wouldn't do such a thing in RL and for me personally it feels wrong doing it in a game...even if it is just a game. It just feels.....awkward and creepy! 

No you have to play the game like you want it. I love to play on the Dark Side, because I'm a friendly person in RL. I totally get the kick out of playing a mean character.
I think you can ask a lot of actors, a lot of them want to play the villian. It is very satisfying to get in touch with your other side.

I'm a Roleplayer. It freaks me out to play a Shepard like myself, that's very awkward for me.
I hope no one thinks that Renegade players are violent, racist, ****s, who slap Repoters for the LuLz.

Modifié par kumquats, 19 mai 2012 - 02:29 .

[Akernis]

Arcataye wrote...
Going for another LI never even crossed my mind. It didn't before- or after Illium. It still doesn't.
I was as happy as I could be with just Liara's photo in Shepard's cabin.

I tried another romance, after Liara's Ilium cameo, it was fine I suppose but I love Liara enough that I felt bad without having her as my LI even if it was another playthrough with no cheating involved. I romanced Liara immediately after on the next playthrough and have done so ever since.

[Erenbe]

kumquats wrote...
No you have to play the game like you want it. I love to play on the Dark Side, because I'm a friendly person in RL. I totally get the kick out of playing a mean character.
I think you can ask a lot of actors, a lot of them want to play the villian. It is very satisfying to get in touch with your other side.

I'm a Roleplayer. It freaks me out to play a Shepard like myself, that's very awkward for me.
I hope no one thinks that Renegade players are violent, racist, ****s, who slap Repoters for the LuLz.

Well, I can understand that and I am not telling anyone how to play their Shep. That's why I said that for me personally that is not a way I would play. 
My Shep is certainly not a carbon-copy of myself. She does things I wouldn't do in RL....but some core values...well, I guess they are transfered from me to Shepard 

[Akernis]

kumquats wrote...
No you have to play the game like you want it. I love to play on the Dark Side, because I'm a friendly person in RL. I totally get the kick out of playing a mean character.
I think you can ask a lot of actors, a lot of them want to play the villian. It is very satisfying to get in touch with your other side.

I'm a Roleplayer. It freaks me out to play a Shepard like myself, that's very awkward for me.
I hope no one thinks that Renegade players are violent, racist, ****s, who slap Repoters for the LuLz.

I know what you mean even if I don't agree completely.
 
I love playing an evil character and I am nearly always the vilian in any game where I can be and greatly enjoy it. Mass Effect is the exception for me.  I used to play as renegade in the biginning but for that particular game, especially after starting romancing Liara it felt wrong and I became a primarily paragon player instead and that felt much more right for me.
 
I still enjoy playing evil chracters when I get the chance to actually be evil, but I don't care for simply being rude or a jerk. And while I know that is not what renegade is it is not actually "Dark Side" evil either.  

So friendly in RL, evil in my alter ego and paragon good in ME

[Tyranniac]

kumquats wrote...

No you have to play the game like you want it. I love to play on the Dark Side, because I'm a friendly person in RL. I totally get the kick out of playing a mean character.
I think you can ask a lot of actors, a lot of them want to play the villian. It is very satisfying to get in touch with your other side.

I'm a Roleplayer. It freaks me out to play a Shepard like myself, that's very awkward for me.
I hope no one thinks that Renegade players are violent, racist, ****s, who slap Repoters for the LuLz.

I'm a roleplayer too but for my main Shepard I prefer having my own opinions heavily influence how Shepard acts, while my other Shepards are not influenced by how I act.

Haven't actually gotten around to doing a proper renegade playthrough yet though. Think I will get around to it soon, but it seems hard to avoid being racist when playing renegade, and I would prefer a renegade Shep that is just "Do whatever it takes" rather than a human supremacist.

[MrStoob]

coatsworth wrote...

mmmmm, pouty 

[kumquats]

Erenbe wrote...
Well, I can understand that and I am not telling anyone how to play their Shep. That's why I said that for me personally that is not a way I would play. 
My Shep is certainly not a carbon-copy of myself. She does things I wouldn't do in RL....but some core values...well, I guess they are transfered from me to Shepard 

Never took it that way, I just think there is no reason to play a Renegade if you don't enjoy it. On the other hand, it's not strange that people enjoy to play an Anti-hero.

Tyranniac wrote...

Haven't actually gotten around to doing a proper renegade playthrough yet though. Think I will get around to it
soon, but it seems hard to avoid being racist when playing renegade, and I would prefer a renegade Shep that is just "Do whatever it takes" rather than a human supremacist.

Funny enough, my Paragon is the racist. After Mindoir there is no way a Batarian gets away from him. 51% Renegade and 49% Paragon points? This is still a Renegade. Mass Effect doesn't support neutral chars. You will be fine.

Akernis wrote...

I love playing an evil character and I amnearly always the vilian in any game where I can be and greatly enjoy
it. Mass Effect is the exception for me.  I used to play as renegade in the biginning but for that particular game, especially after starting romancing Liara it felt wrong and I became a primarily paragon player
instead and that felt much more right for me.
 

I understand that, I never played a closed fist character in Jade Empire. Doesn't fit that Universe at all. If something feels wrong, don't do it.
For me, I always create a character with a Background in ME1 and ask myself, what is this persons motivation to do things.
The result was a very racist Paragon and a very funky Renegade, it works very well.
They have nothing to do with me, they have some kind of personality of their own, their own values and stuff.

Modifié par kumquats, 19 mai 2012 - 03:17 .

[DarkCloudd]

For some reason I just can't bring myself to play a mostly renegade playthrough, its just too far away from my personality it feels wrong even to play it in a game. I'm just funny that way I guess.

And yes that picture with pouty Liara is definately sexy.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Arcataye wrote...

*snip*

Liara statue anyone? It's just a 3D render tho.

Dang, when I saw that, I wanted to get it ... then I saw the statement at the bottom. That's a far far far better and beautiful statue than the other anime type which I dislike very much.

[IliyaMoroumetz]

Tyranniac wrote...

Why couldn't we get that instead?! <_<

Because it's Japan.

*tentative rimshot*

[Obsidian Gryphon]

^ Is there a reason why it has to be anime style? I never like the female anime statues, they tend to emphasize sexuality, bosom and butt.

[Aristobulus500]

Mmm, I missed some things. Just wanted to say, about "would Liara bug Shep's cabin"...I don't think she would, without his permission. And I think Shep wouldn't really mind setting up a link between her office and his cabin. He'd probably want a 2 way system, though!

Why Liara seems to know a lot about what's going on - I like to think they just talk sometimes between missions. Remember that more goes on in the games than what you see personally - the timeline of the game is much longer than it seems to the player, so there's lots of off screen things that'd happen between the characters during downtimes, especially when the ship is just traveling somewhere or something.

Not to mention Shep/Liara have a deep connection to eachother, so Liara is probably just really good at reading Shep and knows when he is bugged about something and can pretty easily guess how he's feeling.

As far as Renegade/Paragon...I can't play an evil character in any game where I actually care about the characters. I will never understand people who say they actually feel anything for the ME universe and characters, but then main a sociopath. Seems to me like you should only be able to do that if you're not attached to the universe, so that you don't feel anything when you murder people and treat people like ****, and you can just laugh at it.

[Arcataye]

About paragon / renegade playstyle:

I play neither. Shepard's choice is what I think the situation warrants. Whether it's paragon or renegade, I do not care. But I have to admit that I'm kind of scared to choose renegade answers even if the text seems just right, as it quite often ends up being something completely different and evil. I loved the neutral dialogue in Mass Effect 1, why did they have to take that away and just make a bigger gap between paragon and renegade?

I do have a full renegade maleshep experiment run going on at the moment where I always choose the bottom right dialogue, no matter the scene. Just want to see what happens.
So almost everyone is dead and he's been single through all the games.
And he seems to agree with Vega. "We will kill the reapers on foot goddamit!". Sure.

I don't see the need to fight with- or seperate paragon/renegade players in different camps. Everyone plays as they like and that's the way it should be. :happy:

Modifié par Arcataye, 19 mai 2012 - 05:10 .

[Tyranniac]

Arcataye wrote...

About paragon / renegade playstyle:

I play neither. Shepard's choice is what I think the situation warrants. Whether it's paragon or renegade, I do not care. But I have to admit that I'm kind of scared to choose renegade answers even if the text seems just right, as it quite often ends up being something completely different and evil. I loved the neutral dialogue in Mass Effect 1, why did they have to take that away and just make a bigger gap between paragon and renegade?

Oh, of course, on my main Shepard I choose what I think is most suitable, and certainly don't care about if it's paragon or renegade, but I still say it is a paragon Shepard due to having more paragon points.