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[Tyranniac]

Ajosraa wrote...

Dont let the comic fool you, I LOVE the Mako still:)

Woo, go Mako!

[Ajosraa]

Also, i saw a discussion about erotic Liara stories.

It made me think of this classic.

http://www.fanfictio...rokers_Prisoner

Romance hard enough so you can feel it! ;P

@Tyrannic  *High Five*

Umm..so by "Tottaly Worth IT" Your not all refering to the Tali romance then, are you?

And Concive the "human way" huh? Dont tell me this is Another Asari anatomy discussion....the baby comes from somewhere gerr!  sorry pet issue

Annnd with that I fear I have killed the thread....sorry bout that

Modifié par Ajosraa, 21 mai 2012 - 01:00 .

[The Lightspeaker]

Ajosraa wrote...

Umm..so by "Tottaly Worth IT" Your not all refering to the Tali romance then, are you?

And Concive the "human way" huh? Dont tell me this is Another Asari anatomy discussion....the baby comes from somewhere gerr!  sorry pet issue

Annnd with that I fear I have killed the thread....sorry bout that

It's referring to this:
http://www.fanfictio...otally_Worth_It

Pretty much majorly NSFW. Fair warning. Personally I thought the whole thing was quite sweet, although fairly explicit. Rae is really good at characterisation. Feel rather inadequate in comparison to be honest.


Also much <3 to those reading my fics. Massive apologies for missing yet ANOTHER weekend that I'd planned to get something up in. Unfortunately RL problems have been kinda holding me back and I'm finding it hard to concentrate atm. I'm honestly working on it though.

If you've not read 'em...they're in my signature. /shamelessselfpromotion

Modifié par The Lightspeaker, 21 mai 2012 - 01:07 .

[Aristobulus500]

Tyranniac wrote...
Did you read all of it? I was very sceptical at first but after reading the whole thing I had a much higher opinion of it.

frudi wrote...
I think a lot of us like Totaly Worth It mainly for two reasons:
- it's sometimes hilarious (just imagining Liara trying to figure out the salarian sex toy... )
- they make a little blue baby

To me that more than makes up for the, ehm, generous dose of explicitness (and the whole idea of wanting to conceive the 'human' way, which I just don't get at all ).

Well, since I'm being pressured on it, I'll explain.

First of all, it being explicit has nothing to do with why I call it tasteless. Keep in mind I am absolutely amazed by "...Can Wait" and that's extremely explicit.

The reasons I don't like it...it's just, it feels rather less emotional and powerful to me, and a bit more crass. It's like...it feels more like a straight porn flick as opposed to the rife-with-emotion-and-passion "...Can Wait" series. Mmm, trying to explain myself here - in "Can Wait" sex is a heavy focus, yes, but it feels more like a tool used to showcase the sheer depth of Liara and Shep's love for eachother. In "Totally Worth It" (and other porny fanfics) it feels like the sex is in and of itself the main purpose. Sex for sex's sake.

I also just don't like the whole focus on the sextoy and feel that feeds into it, and also I don't like the whole "Liara wants to conceive in a human fashion"...since well, it kindof destroys a whole part of the allure to her character - her pure alien-hood, and it feels like she's giving up a whole central, innate part of her character and essence by doing that. Not to mention reasons I like these fanfics are as a method to learn more about alien cultures and methods and such, in ways deeper than what the games show you, so when Liara does that...it's too human centric. I don't really want to see that, I wanted to learn more about the Asari way.

It's the same kind of distaste I feel if a fanfic was about Liara and Shepard moving to Earth together and living a life there - it's wasted potential when they could move to Thessia and the fanfic could use that setting to explore Liara's life and Asari culture.

[Ajosraa]

Hey, what is wrong with Earth vs Thessia? Their both important to each character. To lump it all into Thessia seems selfish a bit in a way. I love Thessia and the Asari, but I have Earth to protect. Its all business past that imo. I have to keep my mission in mind, or Im a traitor to humanity.

Modifié par Ajosraa, 21 mai 2012 - 01:40 .

[Akernis]

Ajosraa wrote...

Hey, what is wrong with Earth vs Thessia? Their both important to each character. To lump it all into Thessia seems selfish a bit in a way. I love Thessia and the Asari, but I have Earth to protect. Its all business past that imo. I have to keep my mission in mind, or Im a traitor to humanity.

I am pretty sure he meant after the war has ended, I really doubt that Shepard will be considered a traitor to humanity if he/she decides to live on Thessia with Liara after the Reapers are dead & gone. I am not sure what you want to protect Earth from in that case.

[Akernis]

douple post.

hm, might as well use it.

Modifié par Akernis, 21 mai 2012 - 01:54 .

[DarkCloudd]

Akernis wrote...

Ajosraa wrote...

Hey, what is wrong with Earth vs Thessia? Their both important to each character. To lump it all into Thessia seems selfish a bit in a way. I love Thessia and the Asari, but I have Earth to protect. Its all business past that imo. I have to keep my mission in mind, or Im a traitor to humanity.

I am pretty sure he meant after the war has ended, I really doubt that Shepard will be considered a traitor to humanity if he/she decides to live on Thessia with Liara after the Reapers are dead & gone. I am not sure what you want to protect Earth from in that case.

The way I read the Codex in ME was that Thessia was alot stricter about travel to their planet since they have so much Ezeo on their planet. After the Reaper War and everything that my Shepard went through she would like to retire to Thessia with Liara mainly for the reason of she won't be bothered by everyone and their dog coming for a visit. If its about "protecting Earth" then honestly its time to pass the torch to someone else. Shepard has sacrifced enough for the galaxy.

In regards to "Totally Worth It". I read the entire thing. It was very good imo, I really like the humor parts in there because they were totally in character. The sexy parts weren't bad either but they were a little OOC for me but I have enough of an imagination that I could see something like that happeing just for fun not necessarily for the concieve a baby that way part.

[MidnightRaith]

rubynorman wrote...

I've painted some small statues so far and they look like crap. I don't want Liara to end up like that. 
I think I will write a story about Liara and my Shep's relationship in ME1 too. An innocent Shep with spacer and war hero as her background. If things aren't going well, maybe my Shep will turn out to be another Mary Sue. XD 
Most stories about Liara and Shep that I read are colonist/earthborn Sheps. I think with my spacer Shep, my story will focus on the humourous and romantic aspects of their relationship. My English and my poor writting skill are gonna be big problems for me.

Yeah, Spacer and War Hero are my standard Background and Profile. I just like it and the combination doesn't see a lot of love in fanfiction. I guess it's not "tragic" enough or something and people feel that readers won't be able to connect to it or something. Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of the other backgrounds myself and I only like Sole Survivor aside from War Hero. Most fanfic writers when they go into Shepard's backstory seem to just thrust the tragedy of it all in the reader's face and there is little to no build up.

They expect me to feel connected to Shepard's freshly murdered familiy right in the beginning of the first chapter without telling me anything more than their names and ages. Personally, I have a rather morbid sense of humor. If an author doesn't do the tragedy right, then I can't take it seriously. Build up is EXTREMELY important. I didn't even like reading Colonist fics until PMC came along with about 15 chapters worth of A Thessian's Whisper soley devoted to Shepard and her family BEFORE the attack on Mindoir and I ate it up. Got so connected with the characters that I actually teared up when it happened and that is very hard for a fanfic writer to get me to do. I connect to characters and I wish authors of these backstories would give me something to actually connect to.

So, yeah, anyway, write out yours, rubynorman. I can hardly find Spacer fics that gives the attention the background deserves. Most of the time, authors just state that their Shepard is a Spacer in the A/N and they never mention it again.  Why? It has some great potential in that it is the only background in which Shepard actually has living family. Hell, I want to actually try to write out Shep's mom myself and try to get her to come across as the person that raised Shepard. That would be facinating to write and read.

Erenbe wrote...

 Only a few very talented people manage to write AU fanfics IMHO. Most of the attempts I've read were really poor and made the characters so out of characters that it was a hassle to read.

But there are some people out there who can really do it and it always impresses me immensely if I read one of these stories. Haven't found a good one for ME yet but I know a few in other areas. 

The other thing that often happens with fanfics is the incredibly bad out of character description for some known figures. I hate the stories where Liara is written as a weak and flimsy character because that's just not her. Or those where she suddenly shows character traits that make her look completely psychotic in comparison to the original.  I don't mind adding new traits if the writer can actually wing it and describe it in a believable way but that's an art in itself. 

Like I said, it depends heavily on how the author in question writes it. I've seen some amazing AUs in a variety of fandoms that do things right. The ones I like tend to have these things in common:

First off, keep it simple. If you want the AU to be good, then don't go about changing a **** load of stuff that you either won't be able to keep track of or it will completely change the face of the IP into something unrecognizable and thus, something the fans won't read. Usually, I change one thing. Yes, that one thing can have implications that stretch across the universe, but when it's only one thing when you start out, then you can keep track of where the fic is going and predict what you want to do.

Example: The series Bones has the main character's mother deceased. I changed that to have a "What If" situation. The only episodes I can see that affecting is the one I changed directly, one in Season 2, one of the Christmas episodes and the few episodes that feature the main character's father. It really helps if you plan out what you are changing and what instances that change will affect.

Second, keep things IC. I hate OOC characters and so does many other people. No one wants to read fanfiction that doesn't keep the characters that fans want to read about. This is really the point of fanfiction, or at least the reason I read it, anyway. To get more of something I already like. However, I don't want the same rehash of the things I got officially, which is why I also like AUs. If it keeps to the rules that the original creator made, then you do get more of the universe you love while getting something different. You don't have to change the character's make up to make things different. The whole reason I write AUs is to see how the characters that have been established in their CANON depictions react to a changed situation. Besides, their IC behavior is how the fans recognize these characters. If you change them, then you might as well be using OCs.

I mentioned this one before, but keep the rules of the universe you're writing in intact. I made this mistake personally with my Vampire Academy fanfic. I changed something that was too big and thus, it changed the rules. Didn't get too many readers like that and now I need to discontinue it. Plus, I realized that changing the universe too much is a bit disrespectful to the original creator. They made the universe you're writing in, put a lot of though into it and, if the IP is really good, thought of all the crap that would make it balanced and realistic. Chances are, if you make too many changes, then you will make the IP too unbalanced and whimsical. People won't take it seriously.

There are probably more no-nos, but these are the really big ones, in my opinion. While AUs won't be everyone's cup of tea, they can be amazing if properly done. Personally, I believe that AUs are perhaps the more difficult to write rather than something in universe if you are aiming at keeping things IC, believable, and recognizable. LIMITS make great AUs. If you don't make limits for yourself, then you get something that is too Mary Sue-ish, if such a term can be used for an entire universe....

[Obsidian Gryphon]

MrStoob wrote...

Arcataye wrote...
Well Liara knows how to sit properly. She doesn't go all exhibitionist like Shepard. It might work well on her.

Haha, yea.  Shep's sitting position in Morinth's pad is rediculous.  Unless she just likes showing off her knickers, maybe...

That said, Liara spent most of her time in ME1 picking her knickers out of her bum crack when sitting/shifting around lol.

I don't think the devs planned for femShep to be in anything but tunic / shirt & pants until the Kasumi DLC and even then, it's not possible to start changing Shep's posture. So yes, if players put her in a dress, well ...

I myself don't see Shep in anything but tunic / uniform and pants (and not even the other, to me, weird civilian raiment that was available), even on the Normandy in ME 2 because the ship is not a luxury cruise ship. It's a frigate on a vital mission. Even more so when Shep was feeling out of sorts (am I me or something else?), she would want to wear something akin to a military uniform even if there was a hated logo on it.  I would see her in a dress if it's a informal party, on a vacation, or on missions that required her to play a role. Hence, no dress for my femShep on the Normandy. After Kasumi's loyalty mission, that dress is mothballed.

[Yuqi]

I wasn't keen on Tottaly Worth it, I just can't see Liara participating in such a thing. But each to their own, I guess.



by wasdplz

[rubynorman]

Yuqi wrote...

I wasn't keen on Tottaly Worth it, I just can't see Liara participating in such a thing. But each to their own, I guess.

"Tottaly Worth it" is really hot but it's not my type either. I prefer Eternity's Last Embrace

[Erenbe]

MidnightRaith wrote...
Like I said, it depends heavily on how the author in question writes it. I've seen some amazing AUs in a variety of fandoms that do things right. The ones I like tend to have these things in common:

First off, keep it simple. If you want the AU to be good, then don't go about changing a **** load of stuff that you either won't be able to keep track of or it will completely change the face of the IP into something unrecognizable and thus, something the fans won't read. Usually, I change one thing. Yes, that one thing can have implications that stretch across the universe, but when it's only one thing when you start out, then you can keep track of where the fic is going and predict what you want to do.
*snip*
Second, keep things IC. I hate OOC characters and so does many other people. No one wants to read fanfiction that doesn't keep the characters that fans want to read about. This is really the point of fanfiction, or at least the reason I read it, anyway. To get more of something I already like. However, I don't want the same rehash of the things I got officially, which is why I also like AUs. If it keeps to the rules that the original creator made, then you do get more of the universe you love while getting something different. You don't have to change the character's make up to make things different. The whole reason I write AUs is to see how the characters that have been established in their CANON depictions react to a changed situation. Besides, their IC behavior is how the fans recognize these characters. If you change them, then you might as well be using OCs.
*snip*

There are probably more no-nos, but these are the really big ones, in my opinion. While AUs won't be everyone's cup of tea, they can be amazing if properly done. Personally, I believe that AUs are perhaps the more difficult to write rather than something in universe if you are aiming at keeping things IC, believable, and recognizable. LIMITS make great AUs. If you don't make limits for yourself, then you get something that is too Mary Sue-ish, if such a term can be used for an entire universe....

Well, I agree with most of what you say  AUs are really hard to write and if you encounter a good one it is most of the time really spectacular. The rest....not so much for most of the reasons you mention. Although I have to say I have read some AUs in other fandoms where basically only the characters were from the original series and the entire setting and background, etc has been changed. And they were good....but yeah....it's rare. 



Regarding "Totaly worth it". I do like it to some extent but I am very conflicted about it for some of the reasons that were already mentioned here. It's well written as most of Rae's fics are but at times I am not sure whether to like it or not. The biggest beef I have is with the "conceiving the human way"....it just seems so...weird. Why should this be important to Shepard in that context is one of my biggest questions. Don't mind the toys....that is acceptable....but the way it's enacted...hmm, not sure about that really! 

rubynorman wrote...
I prefer Eternity's Last Embrace 

God, i love this one...centauri can write. It's amazing. But it always makes me cry towards the end. 


Edit: had to shorten it a bit and add stuff.

Modifié par Erenbe, 21 mai 2012 - 06:34 .

[rubynorman]

MidnightRaith wrote...

rubynorman wrote...

I've painted some small statues so far and they look like crap. I don't want Liara to end up like that. 
I think I will write a story about Liara and my Shep's relationship in ME1 too. An innocent Shep with spacer and war hero as her background. If things aren't going well, maybe my Shep will turn out to be another Mary Sue. XD 
Most stories about Liara and Shep that I read are colonist/earthborn Sheps. I think with my spacer Shep, my story will focus on the humourous and romantic aspects of their relationship. My English and my poor writting skill are gonna be big problems for me.

Yeah, Spacer and War Hero are my standard Background and Profile. I just like it and the combination doesn't see a lot of love in fanfiction. I guess it's not "tragic" enough or something and people feel that readers won't be able to connect to it or something. Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of the other backgrounds myself and I only like Sole Survivor aside from War Hero. Most fanfic writers when they go into Shepard's backstory seem to just thrust the tragedy of it all in the reader's face and there is little to no build up.

They expect me to feel connected to Shepard's freshly murdered familiy right in the beginning of the first chapter without telling me anything more than their names and ages. Personally, I have a rather morbid sense of humor. If an author doesn't do the tragedy right, then I can't take it seriously. Build up is EXTREMELY important. I didn't even like reading Colonist fics until PMC came along with about 15 chapters worth of A Thessian's Whisper soley devoted to Shepard and her family BEFORE the attack on Mindoir and I ate it up. Got so connected with the characters that I actually teared up when it happened and that is very hard for a fanfic writer to get me to do. I connect to characters and I wish authors of these backstories would give me something to actually connect to.

So, yeah, anyway, write out yours, rubynorman. I can hardly find Spacer fics that gives the attention the background deserves. Most of the time, authors just state that their Shepard is a Spacer in the A/N and they never mention it again.  Why? It has some great potential in that it is the only background in which Shepard actually has living family. Hell, I want to actually try to write out Shep's mom myself and try to get her to come across as the person that raised Shepard. That would be facinating to write and read.

PMC's story is so logical and well written. I really like her Shepard's back story too. I spent a whole afternoon and evening reading every chapter of  "A Thessian's Whisper".
I'm not good at writting family type story, so my Shep only mentions her parents with Liara sometimes. I will add a little tragic to her background too. If it is all happy, It will be very hard for me to write . Basically, I need a reason for her and Liara to be closer. "Tragic" is a good reason.

[Arcataye]

Erenbe wrote...

Regarding "Totaly worth it". I do like it to some extent but I am very conflicted about it for some of the reasons that were already mentioned here. It's well written as most of Rae's fics are but at times I am not sure whether to like it or not. The biggest beef I have is with the "conceiving the human way"....it just seems so...weird. Why should this be important to Shepard in that context is one of my biggest questions. Don't mind the toys....that is acceptable....but the way it's enacted...hmm, not sure about that really!

Yeah, I didn't like that "human way" thing either. But the story was still funny as a whole, in my opinion. :happy:
I totally prefer the Can Wait series and so far haven't found anything that rivals it.

"...when I conceive, I want it to be... special. Human. For Shepard's benefit. She has been very patient and understanding, willing to learn my species' mating rituals, so it seems only fair that I return the favor."
- "You want to conceive the way humans do."
"As close as possible, yes."
- "Does she know about this?"
Liara shook her head.

...*snip*...

"Oh, sweetie, we don't have to do it this way... If you'd just told me..."

Shepard had a fantasy about it but didn't really care that much of it, but still agreed to it as it was so important to Liara.


It's great that Rae herself acknowledges that it's not "perfect", it's written by request, so there's even a warning about it:

"Warning: Okay, I know one person's kink is another person's squick, so I have NO idea what words/actions/ect might set certain people off. If you read something you don't like (although I think this is pretty vanilla), just cover your ears, close your eyes, and start shouting "lalalalalalala" as loud as you can."

Modifié par Arcataye, 21 mai 2012 - 09:18 .

[kumquats]

Arcataye wrote...

People choose how they want to choose and that's exactly the point, nobody forces you to be either renegade or paragon. That's exactly what I said.

They can choose what they want, of course, everyone does that. The GAME however, will assign your Shepard a reputation, no matter if you want it or not.
ME3 will even punish you, if you mix your choices. I got a taste of that, when the Rachni Queen ate my crucible workers.
So of course you can see your Shepard as neutral if you want, the game mechanics however and the Reputation system, doesn't support that.
Funny with the Council decision in ME1.... Renegade choice to get a human Council isn't even supported in ME3. So that makes neutral and renegade decision from ME1, both renegade in ME3. They kicked neutrality in the quad!

Don't mistake me for being a supporter of that system, I'm think the whole system through the series is crap. In every single game it gets worse. It's not good at all, but it is what it is. I have a Shep, that made some decisions and the game told me it's a Renegade, nothing I can do about that.

[Arcataye]

kumquats wrote...

Arcataye wrote...

People choose how they want to choose and that's exactly the point, nobody forces you to be either renegade or paragon. That's exactly what I said.

They can choose what they want, of course, everyone does that. The GAME however, will assign your Shepard a reputation, no matter if you want it or not.

Arcataye said...

Of course I'm going to have more points on either side and of course I'm going to be labeled as a paragon or a renegade by that reputation bar.

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kumquats said....

Funny with the Council decision in ME1.... Renegade choice to get a human Council isn't even supported in ME3. So that makes neutral and renegade decision from ME1, both renegade in ME3. They kicked neutrality in the quad!

Arcataye wrote...

I loved the neutral dialogue in Mass Effect 1, why did they have to take that away and just make a bigger gap between paragon and renegade?

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kumquats said....

Don't mistake me for being a supporter of that system, I'm think the whole system through the series is crap. In every single game it gets worse. It's not good at all, but it is what it is. I have a Shep, that made some decisions and the game told me it's a Renegade, nothing I can do about that.

It seems that you are somehow disagreeing with me, but comparing our posts you're actually agreeing.
What is the problem here?

Modifié par Arcataye, 21 mai 2012 - 09:27 .

[Tyranniac]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...


I don't think the devs planned for femShep to be in anything but tunic / shirt & pants until the Kasumi DLC and even then, it's not possible to start changing Shep's posture. So yes, if players put her in a dress, well ...

I myself don't see Shep in anything but tunic / uniform and pants (and not even the other, to me, weird civilian raiment that was available), even on the Normandy in ME 2 because the ship is not a luxury cruise ship. It's a frigate on a vital mission. Even more so when Shep was feeling out of sorts (am I me or something else?), she would want to wear something akin to a military uniform even if there was a hated logo on it.  I would see her in a dress if it's a informal party, on a vacation, or on missions that required her to play a role. Hence, no dress for my femShep on the Normandy. After Kasumi's loyalty mission, that dress is mothballed.

My Shepard isn't really very comfortable with wearing dresses after growing up a a colony kid and then going straight to the military, so she was rather awkward during Kasumi's loyalty mission, and hasn't worn a dress since. Although I'm thinking Liara will probably force her to do so a few times in the future just for fun. 

Arcataye wrote...

Erenbe wrote...

Regarding "Totaly worth it". I do like it to some extent but I am very conflicted about it for some of the reasons that were already mentioned here. It's well written as most of Rae's fics are but at times I am not sure whether to like it or not. The biggest beef I have is with the "conceiving the human way"....it just seems so...weird. Why should this be important to Shepard in that context is one of my biggest questions. Don't mind the toys....that is acceptable....but the way it's enacted...hmm, not sure about that really!

Yeah, I didn't like that "human way" thing either. But the story was still funny as a whole, in my opinion. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]
I totally prefer the Can Wait series and so far haven't found anything that rivals it.

"...when I conceive, I want it to be... special. Human. For Shepard's benefit. She has been very patient and understanding, willing to learn my species' mating rituals, so it seems only fair that I return the favor."
- "You want to conceive the way humans do."
"As close as possible, yes."
- "Does she know about this?"
Liara shook her head.

...*snip*...

"Oh, sweetie, we don't have to do it this way... If you'd just told me..."

Shepard had a fantasy about it but didn't really care that much of it, but still agreed to it as it was so important to Liara.


It's great that Rae herself acknowledges that it's not "perfect", it's written by request, so there's even a warning about it:

"Warning: Okay, I know one person's kink is another person's squick, so I have NO idea what words/actions/ect might set certain people off. If you read something you don't like (although I think this is pretty vanilla), just cover your ears, close your eyes, and start shouting "lalalalalalala" as loud as you can."

Yeah, pretty much what Arcataye says. The "human way" thing is a bit strange, but the story is very well written, everyone remains in character and it is very funny at certain parts. I also think there is a good deal of emotion in this one too, related to the fact that they're concieving.

Edit: Arc damn it, why'd you change your picture? I'll never be able to recognize you now! (Also it was entertaining to see a Harbinger amongst all the Liaras )

Modifié par Tyranniac, 21 mai 2012 - 09:40 .

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Question - I want to fix the Liara romance bug and I just found out that Gibbed Editor can do it. I've used it for ME 2 and I tried for ME 3 but I can't make sense out of the latest. Just to be sure, I should download saveedit-r89 b110.zip file right?

[MrStoob]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

MrStoob wrote...

Arcataye wrote...
Well Liara knows how to sit properly. She doesn't go all exhibitionist like Shepard. It might work well on her.

Haha, yea.  Shep's sitting position in Morinth's pad is rediculous.  Unless she just likes showing off her knickers, maybe...

That said, Liara spent most of her time in ME1 picking her knickers out of her bum crack when sitting/shifting around lol.

I don't think the devs planned for femShep to be in anything but tunic / shirt & pants until the Kasumi DLC and even then, it's not possible to start changing Shep's posture. So yes, if players put her in a dress, well ...

I myself don't see Shep in anything but tunic / uniform and pants (and not even the other, to me, weird civilian raiment that was available), even on the Normandy in ME 2 because the ship is not a luxury cruise ship. It's a frigate on a vital mission. Even more so when Shep was feeling out of sorts (am I me or something else?), she would want to wear something akin to a military uniform even if there was a hated logo on it.  I would see her in a dress if it's a informal party, on a vacation, or on missions that required her to play a role. Hence, no dress for my femShep on the Normandy. After Kasumi's loyalty mission, that dress is mothballed.

If Shepard didn't want to wear the dress, she would have changed prior to readying the next mission.  As Shepard appeared wearing said dress even after the Hock mission, I assumed she liked it, so we wore it for most of ME2 lol, particularly if on a renegade play through.  My renegade Shep likes the slightly psychotic dress wearing military leader look (a bit like a more extreme version of Admiral Helena Cain from BG), though that crazed dress-wearing concept would work better with Sheploo haha.

[Ecrulis]

Tyranniac wrote...

*Snip*

My Shepard isn't really very comfortable with wearing dresses after growing up a a colony kid and then going straight to the military, so she was rather awkward during Kasumi's loyalty mission, and hasn't worn a dress since. Although I'm thinking Liara will probably force her to do so a few times in the future just for fun. 

*Snip*

Yea I feel my shep is the same way, though at some point in the future she will wear one to surprise Liara .

[Obsidian Gryphon]

MrStoob wrote...

*snip*

If Shepard didn't want to wear the dress, she would have changed prior to readying the next mission.  As Shepard appeared wearing said dress even after the Hock mission, I assumed she liked it, so we wore it for most of ME2 lol, particularly if on a renegade play through.  My renegade Shep likes the slightly psychotic dress wearing military leader look (a bit like a more extreme version of Admiral Helena Cain from BG), though that crazed dress-wearing concept would work better with Sheploo haha.

  After that mission, the first thing I said when I saw Shep was still in th dress was : Crap!!! That does not belong on the Normandy and steered Shep to change. Thereafter, I went why the &%$#@!!! was she wearing that. Wasn't she in armor???!!

Anyways, I can't imagine Liara wearing that though. I think something silky flowing raiments would be nice for her.

On Fanfics, Eternity's Last Embrace was well written although the end was really poignant. Dang. I never like sad endings. In any case, quite a few well written ones. I'm attempting Crossroads at the moment; Shep's kid. Still on going so not sure where it's heading.

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kumquats wrote...

Arcataye wrote...

People choose how they want to choose and that's exactly the point, nobody forces you to be either renegade or paragon. That's exactly what I said.

They can choose what they want, of course, everyone does that. The GAME however, will assign your Shepard a reputation, no matter if you want it or not.
ME3 will even punish you, if you mix your choices. I got a taste of that, when the Rachni Queen ate my crucible workers.
So of course you can see your Shepard as neutral if you want, the game mechanics however and the Reputation system, doesn't support that.
Funny with the Council decision in ME1.... Renegade choice to get a human Council isn't even supported in ME3. So that makes neutral and renegade decision from ME1, both renegade in ME3. They kicked neutrality in the quad!

Don't mistake me for being a supporter of that system, I'm think the whole system through the series is crap. In every single game it gets worse. It's not good at all, but it is what it is. I have a Shep, that made some decisions and the game told me it's a Renegade, nothing I can do about that.

I do have to say thats one thing that DA2 got correct. No morality system but the game reacts to how you reacts to people. If you are agressive all the time the game sees that and people react accordingly, and so on and so forth. I would rather have a system like that than the Good/Evil. This isn't Star Wars things aren't that black and white. At least thats what I think.