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Makrys wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

That doesn't really make sense to be honest. Neehs has done a fully nude Liara before, but it was her backside. I'm saying why not a frontal? What's the difference? I would love to see Liara in all her bare beauty. :wub:


Because...there's nothing to show with the front of the models, unless a fan makes it themselves. Bioware didn't actually make anything explicit on the models.


It was done with femshep, it can be done with Liara. Simply my point. It would have to be fan made of course.


Right, it can be done, but I was trying to guess at why it hasn't been done, and my guess is just that it's harder. And, probably, more demand for FemShep, as keep in mind romancers of other characters would still want her.

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Makrys wrote...

And btw... yet another Liara hate thread: http://social.biowar...ndex/12175749/1

*sigh* 


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Aristobulus500 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

That doesn't really make sense to be honest. Neehs has done a fully nude Liara before, but it was her backside. I'm saying why not a frontal? What's the difference? I would love to see Liara in all her bare beauty. :wub:


Because...there's nothing to show with the front of the models, unless a fan makes it themselves. Bioware didn't actually make anything explicit on the models.


It was done with femshep, it can be done with Liara. Simply my point. It would have to be fan made of course.


Right, it can be done, but I was trying to guess at why it hasn't been done, and my guess is just that it's harder. And, probably, more demand for FemShep, as keep in mind romancers of other characters would still want her.


Sure. But if you can take the time to do her back, you can do her front as well. All I'm saying.

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Except...Bioware did Liara's backside. That's straight from the in game model. No fan editing there.

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Aristobulus500 wrote...

Except...Bioware did Liara's backside. That's straight from the in game model. No fan editing there.


True. But seriously, all someone has to do is edit in nipples. That's it. Isn't it? (this is so weird to talk about)

And second, I'm not so sure Neeh's model is the Bioware Liara model. His model looks a bit different so I don't know why it would be the model from the game. Her face looks just slightly different IMO. Isn't that his own 3d model?

Modifié par Makrys, 22 mai 2012 - 06:05 .


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Could also be they're worried about showing something that isn't canon. We don't know what asari breasts or genitals look like, and the artists might be worried that what they come up with will be torn down because it doesn't fit what other people imagined. So they just stick to canon.

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somehow it double posted

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kyg_20X6 wrote...

Could also be they're worried about showing something that isn't canon. We don't know what asari breasts or genitals look like, and the artists might be worried that what they come up with will be torn down because it doesn't fit what other people imagined. So they just stick to canon.


I would imagine they would be exactly like humans. And I would wager most others would imagine this as well. Considering Asari are exactly like humans physically, except their 'hair'. 

And I'm not talking developers. They didn't create nipples or genetalia because it was not required. It would never be seen in game so they simply never needed to have them.

I'm talking fan made 3d models. Fans can do it. Just as they did with Shepard. And there's plenty of people who love Liara, so that's why I'm puzzled someone hasn't done it yet (at least to our knowledge).

Modifié par Makrys, 22 mai 2012 - 06:15 .


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Sure. But if you can take the time to do her back, you can do her front as well. All I'm saying.

Finally, an actual entitled fan. As long as you're not paying neeh, you have no business using that tone.

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AlexMBrennan wrote...

Sure. But if you can take the time to do her back, you can do her front as well. All I'm saying.

Finally, an actual entitled fan. As long as you're not paying neeh, you have no business using that tone.


Seriously? Calm down. All I'm saying is if you can do one side, I would think you could do the other. I could be mistaken. I'm not a 3d modeler. So if someone is, feel free to correct me. Neeh is amazing and I'm not at all criticizing him. Just wondering. Curious. I would just love to see it. :wub:

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Makrys wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Could also be they're worried about showing something that isn't canon. We don't know what asari breasts or genitals look like, and the artists might be worried that what they come up with will be torn down because it doesn't fit what other people imagined. So they just stick to canon.


I would imagine they would be exactly like humans. And I would wager most others would imagine this as well. Considering Asari are exactly like humans physically, except their 'hair'. 

And I'm not talking developers. They didn't create nipples or genetalia because it was not required. It would never be seen in game so they simply never needed to have them.

I'm talking fan made 3d models. Fans can do it. Just as they did with Shepard. And there's plenty of people who love Liara, so that's why I'm puzzled someone hasn't done it yet (at least to our knowledge).


Yes, and someone else might imagine something different. Someone might be annoyed that she looks too human, some may want her to look more alien (and vice-versa). Someone might expect to see 'scales' where there aren't any, or vice-versa. Just look at the response to BW's take on the quarians/Tali (and I like what BW came up with, if not their medium for showing it). And I know you are referring to the fans, not the devs - as was I. But it's possible that Liara's textures are hard to create/work with and, you add to that possible fan dissagreement, and it might explain why they're not willing to spend their (personal, free) time straying too far from canon. Keep it safe.

I could be totally wrong, it's just an idea. Although, I'd totally understand their hesitation if that was the reason why. I also understand the frustration at not having some nice, high-res, shot of Liara nude. Personally, I like Rae's description of Liara's body in 'Ilos Can Wait'.

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kyg_20X6 wrote...

 Personally, I like Rae's description of Liara's body in 'Ilos Can Wait'.


I just read, "Ilos Can Wait". It was beautiful.

Modifié par Makrys, 22 mai 2012 - 06:57 .


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AlexMBrennan wrote...

Finally, an actual entitled fan. As long as you're not paying neeh, you have no business using that tone.


Can't say I'm a big fan of the entitled argument. If we're going to follow that line, then I guess people shouldn't be allowed to criticize anything, whether you paid for the product or not. Personally, I think all this "entitled fans" and "artistic integrity" are just lines people use to protect their feelings, but maybe that's just me. How about we develop some tougher skin instead of silencing everyone's opinions?

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Makrys wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Could also be they're worried about showing something that isn't canon. We don't know what asari breasts or genitals look like, and the artists might be worried that what they come up with will be torn down because it doesn't fit what other people imagined. So they just stick to canon.


I would imagine they would be exactly like humans. And I would wager most others would imagine this as well. Considering Asari are exactly like humans physically, except their 'hair'. 

And I'm not talking developers. They didn't create nipples or genetalia because it was not required. It would never be seen in game so they simply never needed to have them.

I'm talking fan made 3d models. Fans can do it. Just as they did with Shepard. And there's plenty of people who love Liara, so that's why I'm puzzled someone hasn't done it yet (at least to our knowledge).


I do have to say. one reason I really loved Rae's "...Can Wait" series is she goes into detail describing ways in which the Asari aren't physically the same as humans, because they are aliens. But...that wasn't exactly your point, just sayin'.

But I do want to say - you make a mention of how they didn't model some things because it would never been seen in game - this is true, but I mean, one thing that has always struck me as impressive and odd at the same time, about Liara's nude model in game, is just how detailed it is. Seriously - it has every part of her except genitals. It's extremely detailed - and why? You see very little of it, there's no reason for it to be even half as detailed as it is, and what you do see is usually covered in unique camera angles or tons of lighting effects and special effects not letting you see a clear glimpse of it anyway.

So, they already did things beyond what they needed to. Just odd!

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Yes, and someone else might imagine something different. Someone might be annoyed that she looks too human, some may want her to look more alien (and vice-versa). Someone might expect to see 'scales' where there aren't any, or vice-versa. Just look at the response to BW's take on the quarians/Tali (and I like what BW came up with, if not their medium for showing it). And I know you are referring to the fans, not the devs - as was I. But it's possible that Liara's textures are hard to create/work with and, you add to that possible fan dissagreement, and it might explain why they're not willing to spend their (personal, free) time straying too far from canon. Keep it safe.

I could be totally wrong, it's just an idea. Although, I'd totally understand their hesitation if that was the reason why. I also understand the frustration at not having some nice, high-res, shot of Liara nude. Personally, I like Rae's description of Liara's body in 'Ilos Can Wait'.


You do make a decent point, but my personal take on it is - and this goes for any fan interpretation, to tech to culture to interpretations of characters, anything - is that so long as what you do doesn't contradict anything in the existing canon and it logically makes sense, I'm fine with it. If you can actually see whatever they come up with, as naturally being that way in the existing lore, I can approve.

That's - as I've said, a strong reason I like the "...Can Wait" series so much - is that it doesn't break the lore in coming up with new interpretations, it all makes perfect sense and fits in amazingly well with the existing canon and what we know of the Asari and Liara and her relationship with Shepard.

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kyg_20X6 wrote...

Yes, and someone else might imagine something different. Someone might be annoyed that she looks too human, some may want her to look more alien (and vice-versa). Someone might expect to see 'scales' where there aren't any, or vice-versa. Just look at the response to BW's take on the quarians/Tali (and I like what BW came up with, if not their medium for showing it). And I know you are referring to the fans, not the devs - as was I. But it's possible that Liara's textures are hard to create/work with and, you add to that possible fan dissagreement, and it might explain why they're not willing to spend their (personal, free) time straying too far from canon. Keep it safe.

I could be totally wrong, it's just an idea. Although, I'd totally understand their hesitation if that was the reason why. I also understand the frustration at not having some nice, high-res, shot of Liara nude. Personally, I like Rae's description of Liara's body in 'Ilos Can Wait'.


Would this really happen though? The difference between this situation and the Tali's face situation is that Tali's face IS canon. That is why some people are upset about it. They didn't like how Bioware did it or how she ended up looking and are disappointed that pretty much, not matter what, that is what she and every other female quarian will look like under the mask.

For a fan creation, I'd imagine it's different. So long as the artist in question doesn't directly contradict the lore we already have, then I don't see an issue coming up. People will like or dislike something no matter what, we all have our own tastes in art. However, one has to wonder that if someone rendered a nude model of Liara would a trend be set? It could be possible that artists would want to do their own spins on the model and then we get varying Liara's from more human to more alien in regards to the features we haven't been shown. Maybe it's like fanfiction. Personally, some of my ideas were given birth because I either didn't like how someone else did a popular idea, or I noticed that no one else has tried my idea. Perhaps the community plays a role in how authors and artists create their works.

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What I loved about the "...Can Wait" series was that it wasn't just an erotic fan fiction, but an erotic fan fiction written by someone who gets the characters and gets the intricacies of the relationship (not just between Shepard/Liara but between an asari and a human, as well). I enjoyed reading about them comforting eachother, and the dialogue, and the description of the melding, as much (probably more) than I did the expicitely physical/sexual stuff. Actually, Rae does a great job of showing it never really is explicitely physical, there's always mutliple levels to what is going on, and the dialogue and exposition is all intertwined with the sexual acts. It's brilliant stuff! And, I can't remember which one it was (maybe 'Illos'), but the dialogue about healing eachothers wounds really resonated with my canon femShep.

I actually noted in my recent canon maleShep/Tali playthrough that my maleShep and Liara wouldn't work out. He would never form the type of bond with Liara that my femShep did (there is a need there). But Tali fits him like a glove. They have a lot in common (likewise, Tali would never be a good match for my femshep, if it was an option). My femShep is more damaged and closed off due to her Mindoir background. She finds similarities and comfort in Liara. They heal eachother. My maleShep had a much safer life as a spacer and has a growing hatred of Cerberus and determination to not lose anyone under his command due to Akuze, something that resonates with Tali.

Anyway, just a personal aside. Carry on. :whistle:

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MidnightRaith wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Finally, an actual entitled fan. As long as you're not paying neeh, you have no business using that tone.


Can't say I'm a big fan of the entitled argument. If we're going to follow that line, then I guess people shouldn't be allowed to criticize anything, whether you paid for the product or not. Personally, I think all this "entitled fans" and "artistic integrity" are just lines people use to protect their feelings, but maybe that's just me. How about we develop some tougher skin instead of silencing everyone's opinions?

The phrasing implied that a talented artist creating stuff for free and kindly sharing it with the community was somehow obliged to create more content meeting some random guy's exact specifications just because it's technically possible.

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AlexMBrennan wrote...

The phrasing implied that a talented artist creating stuff for free and kindly sharing it with the community was somehow obliged to create more content meeting some random guy's exact specifications just because it's technically possible.


He didn't come across demanding anything, the way I read it. It was a challenge. Very different than a demand. He noticed that people aren't doing something that one would think would have been tried and asked why. If people don't do that, then you get stale material. Challenging is similar to criticizing, it helps people improve their work overall.

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Been busy killing demons, nipples will have to wait!

On a more serious note, if anyone is actually that interested there's pieces out there where she's in her full glory, though they're mostly very...you know! And I think a few brows might be raised if the camera were to dip down in my silly makeout gif.

Personally though, I don't want to ship out too much smexytimes themed things, it's too easy. Had I the time I'd rather do more lighthearted, funny, romantic stuff, or something semi-serious.

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Neeh wrote...

Been busy killing demons, nipples will have to wait!

On a more serious note, if anyone is actually that interested there's pieces out there where she's in her full glory, though they're mostly very...you know! And I think a few brows might be raised if the camera were to dip down in my silly makeout gif.

Personally though, I don't want to ship out too much smexytimes themed things, it's too easy. Had I the time I'd rather do more lighthearted, funny, romantic stuff, or something semi-serious.


Hey, between you and *Mallyxable, I think all the bases are (or can be) covered. You both do great work! ;)

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kyg_20X6 wrote...
Hey, between you and *Mallyxable, I think all the bases are (or can be) covered. You both do great work! ;)


I don't think "covered" is the right word here, do you?

*cough*

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MidnightRaith wrote...

I'm glad I read yours, lillitheris. Great concept, keeping as close to the endings as possible and only changing that which made no sense. Hardly any grammar and spelling mistakes I could pick out, which is great because that's usually the reason I ever stop reading a particular fic. I'm caught between liking the shifing points of view and hating it. :lol: On one hand, it does get the plot across very well and the fic probably wouldn't work without it. On the other... every new chapter or break and I'm mentally calling for a different character to read about, or not changing views so I can stay with the previous person. I get this way with published works that change p.o.v's....


Yes, that’s one of the intractable issues. The POV shifts are to evoke the slightly chaotic feeling of the situation, and to prevent having to do everything in flashbacks or explained by characters. The other problem is the large number of characters; only a few are truly essential, but the table needs to be set for the future…I think having added the dramatis personae helped with that aspect.

I liked Aethyta and Hannah meeting. I did picture that Hannah would be taken aback by Aethyta's less than formal speech habits at first as well. Made a funny scene. On the subject of Hannah I also liked that you didn't ignore her or make only a passing mention of her like I've seen in other works. It looks like you're really aiming to take advantage of her character and I'm ecstatic. :D

Can't wait for the next chapter.


I definitely plan on working with Hannah a bit – and Aethyta for that matter. I was slightly concerned that people would take Mama Shep’s (and Liara’s) current emotionally distraught state the wrong way but it seems I’ve actually managed to convey it well enough.

I’m very glad you liked it! :kissing:

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CrazyGreggy wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...
Hey, between you and *Mallyxable, I think all the bases are (or can be) covered. You both do great work! ;)


I don't think "covered" is the right word here, do you?

*cough*


Posted Image I see what you did there... Posted Image 

But seriously Neehs you really do very excellent work.

Now back to ME1 for the NG+ so I can finally import my new character into ME2. *grumbles something about not being able to hit level 60 in one playthrough* Posted Image

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DarkCloudd wrote...

Posted Image I see what you did there... Posted Image 

But seriously Neehs you really do very excellent work.

Now back to ME1 for the NG+ so I can finally import my new character into ME2. *grumbles something about not being able to hit level 60 in one playthrough* Posted Image


Schoolboy sense of humour, sry :innocent:

Hmm, NG+ would mean more time with Kira. Tempting, very tempting.

edit - bah, top. Excuse for custom shot. Kira and Liara, rudely interrupted by the Shadow Broker. Liara is unamused.

Posted Image

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Aristobulus500 wrote...

But I do want to say - you make a mention of how they didn't model some things because it would never been seen in game - this is true, but I mean, one thing that has always struck me as impressive and odd at the same time, about Liara's nude model in game, is just how detailed it is. Seriously - it has every part of her except genitals. It's extremely detailed - and why? You see very little of it, there's no reason for it to be even half as detailed as it is, and what you do see is usually covered in unique camera angles or tons of lighting effects and special effects not letting you see a clear glimpse of it anyway.

So, they already did things beyond what they needed to. Just odd!

I don't remember where I found the interview about this but they said it was needed to be as detailed as it could be because the modellers had no idea how the animators would use the model. Like positions and camera angles etc. They didn't have to do genitals or nipples as they're both off-limits at least in the USA.

Neeh wrote...

Personally though, I don't want to ship out too much smexytimes themed things, it's too easy. Had I the time I'd rather do more lighthearted, funny, romantic stuff, or something semi-serious.

Do something cute and romantic, please. :blush:
There seems to be a lot of skin-pictures that mostly generate "is it hot in here?" -comments.

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