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[Ecrulis]

You can't hide under the table forever eventually the BBBBB WILL get you muahahahahahahaha

[MrStoob]

 Bunch of teases.  Where's my BBBBB?  

[PMC65]

Ecrulis wrote...

You can't hide under the table forever eventually the BBBBB WILL get you muahahahahahahaha

And here I thought you were my pal!

As far as anyone sharing their stories I tip my hat to them ... it isn't easy putting something that you created out there. Until I started sharing my own headcanon I never read fan fiction and while I still haven't read alot there is really only one thing that will make me drop it fast ... the writer's obvious hate of a character.

I don't know what story it was but the character of Pressly was raked through the coals and Shepard "fired" him for being racist. Really? WTF????? I've seen other stories brutalize Miranda, Tali and Liara's characters beyond belief.  

[Ecrulis]

Well before this thread never really thought of creative writing at all but I'm glad I started and I totally agree an authors hate for a character bleeding into the work itself could be very off outing

[TrulyInnovative]

Yeah, character bashing is unfortunate. Even some otherwise good fics can suffer from this problem, although if they are written well enough, and the characters in question don't have a prominent role, I can usually ignore the issue.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

PMC65 wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

You can't hide under the table forever eventually the BBBBB WILL get you muahahahahahahaha

And here I thought you were my pal!

As far as anyone sharing their stories I tip my hat to them ... it isn't easy putting something that you created out there. Until I started sharing my own headcanon I never read fan fiction and while I still haven't read alot there is really only one thing that will make me drop it fast ... the writer's obvious hate of a character.

I don't know what story it was but the character of Pressly was raked through the coals and Shepard "fired" him for being racist. Really? WTF????? I've seen other stories brutalize Miranda, Tali and Liara's characters beyond belief. 

There are a few characters that I hate, but since I am writing a fanfic I will simply write one of them out of exsistance and the other I will not mention until their death on the suicide mission is brought up. In short, I won't bother writing about characters I hate because I have no interest in writing about them in the first place.

As for your first part. I remember you saying that you were interested in other people's headcanon in terms of Shepard's background. I had an idea for a small one short but I am not sure if it is an good idea.

[Akernis]

PMC65 wrote...
As far as anyone sharing their stories I tip my hat to them ... it isn't easy putting something that you created out there. Until I started sharing my own headcanon I never read fan fiction and while I still haven't read alot there is really only one thing that will make me drop it fast ... the writer's obvious hate of a character.

I don't know what story it was but the character of Pressly was raked through the coals and Shepard "fired" him for being racist. Really? WTF????? I've seen other stories brutalize Miranda, Tali and Liara's characters beyond belief.  

Agreed that is unpleasent to read to say the least. There is no characters that I really hate (starkid excluded, though i will say that it hasen't earned the right to be called a charater) And even if I have to include those I dislike for whatever reasons I try to give them as fair a depiction as possible.

though of course there will always be favouritism, there would be no point to writting I did not but effort into writting about those characters that I like.

[TheMarshal]

PMC65 wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

You can't hide under the table forever eventually the BBBBB WILL get you muahahahahahahaha

And here I thought you were my pal!

As far as anyone sharing their stories I tip my hat to them ... it isn't easy putting something that you created out there. Until I started sharing my own headcanon I never read fan fiction and while I still haven't read alot there is really only one thing that will make me drop it fast ... the writer's obvious hate of a character.

I don't know what story it was but the character of Pressly was raked through the coals and Shepard "fired" him for being racist. Really? WTF????? I've seen other stories brutalize Miranda, Tali and Liara's characters beyond belief.  

Ugh!  This!  A thousand times this!  I get that some people don't like Miranda.  I think even more don't "get" her like I do.  But to turn her into an incompetent, sputtering mess who's a complete Cerberus apologist just so Shepard has the opportunity to foam at the mouth for a while seems cheap.

You don't like someone?  Fine.  But dislike them for the right reasons.  Don't turn them into a carichature just so you can jump up and down on them.  If you can't represent them, then don't write them.  I pride myself on making sure that even the characters I don't like are at least in-character.

[PMC65]

Lizardviking - While I don't normally read too much fan fic anyone who writes Shepard pre-Normandy (it doesn't matter if they are male/female) I'm always ready to read it! That is the canvas that I find the most fascinating myself. If you have something to read I'm game! : )

Akernis - Focusing on favorites is okay with me ... it's when authors take their pen ... dip in venom and then write on a character that they hate.

TheMarshal - I love Miranda and you are right ... alot of people just do not get her. It's a shame.

[Makrys]

 Just found this. I really think the pose suits her personality. Somewhat shy, modest, but also thoughtful and beautiful. <3

[img]http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://ukgangsters.com/images/liara_sitting_small.jpg&sa=X&ei=Wt6-T_DkHobY2gWY1YyNCg&ved=0CAoQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNFARiEgA4Kf_cZ8bo8x2znRC9sJ8A[/img]

Modifié par Makrys, 25 mai 2012 - 01:22 .

[Nharia1]

Ack.... Please post links to NSFW stuff? PLEASE????? For all of us who are looking through this thread and happen to be somewhere where we don't really want others to see some half nude Asari...

[Aristobulus500]

That could use a better/real background - and I think she looks a little too sad, like she doesn't really want to be there.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Blue waves really moving. I can't even remember which was the last post I read.   Just took a look at the new MP expansion. One word caught my eye: Thessia. I'm wondering which part of Thessia we'll get in the new map. Will it be a zone already seen in the SP? I'm hoping for something new.  

[Icyflare]

Hi, new to the forums. Saw the fanfiction discussion, and thought it'd be a good time to ask a question that's been bothering me for a while.

Sometimes, I find it very difficult to capture a character's voice or action, simply because I have an an idea of what I'd like a character to do in a certain situation but not a clear grasp of what they'd actually do. What kinds of tricks do you guys use to get around this block? Also, how do you guys plot your own stories? Personally, when I write something, no matter how hard I plan it out, the story gets away from me until it's a complete divergence from what I originally wanted. Any tips to share?

[Aristobulus500]

As far as keeping characters in character...that just takes studying a character. Look at how they act throughout the series, and how they tend to respond to certain problems and such. Try to keep to that form when you write them. It's just something you get a feel for with a character, the more you learn about them.

[fluffywalrus]

Icyflare wrote...

Hi, new to the forums. Saw the fanfiction discussion, and thought it'd be a good time to ask a question that's been bothering me for a while.

Sometimes, I find it very difficult to capture a character's voice or action, simply because I have an an idea of what I'd like a character to do in a certain situation but not a clear grasp of what they'd actually do. What kinds of tricks do you guys use to get around this block? Also, how do you guys plot your own stories? Personally, when I write something, no matter how hard I plan it out, the story gets away from me until it's a complete divergence from what I originally wanted. Any tips to share?

As for capturing Character voices and actions:
-I more or less write dialog, and then read it in their voice in my head. If I can't do that, if I can't fully imagine the character reading those lines, then I rewrite it. If need be, I check up source material to check speech patterns.
-At the same time, I try to read events out in my mind. If you're writing a fan-fic about Tali for instance, it's good to know her mannerisms, her quirks, her body language, and to know why she's doing what she's doing in your story.. The point of fanfiction is often to re-tell or expand upon the material we've been given. The characters are what make Mass Effect so great. Were someone to make a Garrus fanfic where Garrus speaks and acts nothing like Garrus in the games, it...well, it wouldn't be Garrus, it wouldn't work.

So the overall message there is to check the source material again. Youtube moments from ME1,2,3 ... check the comics if you feel like it, that sort of stuff. If you're having a hard time putting to words what you already know you want to happen, then that's an easy thing to fix. it's just a form of writer's block. If you aren't sure about the characters fitting what you're writing, just check the source material and ask yourself if what you've come up with is fitting of the character, if it is something the character would do or say.

For a while I'd write journal entries (or for some characters, just record thoughts that would pop up in their head) as I progressed through ME and ME2. I didn't do it all the time, but I did it here and there because I was curious as to what their opinions were on what was going on. That helped me get more in touch with the characters (IMO) and let me become more comfortable with writing them.

My only sticking point is that you know your characters. Know them intimately. As someone who has GM'ed a hell of a lot of pen and paper campaigns, character creation has been by rock. If you can't tell me small, minor details about your character, they aren't alive. No one is going to care about stereotypes, and unless you want to provide a template character akin to Stephanie Meyer's Bella(where everyone is allowed to project themselves into her...or in your Shep's case, project their Shep's into your blank Shep), it's best to bring out those small details over time in your story. No one knows your character like you do. Those minor, subtle details are what makes characters great. Minor characters don't need a lot of this, but they should have a purpose, and there shouldn't be too many(as in Mass Effect, you can only interact with a small fraction of the crew, which helps the player from being overwhelmed).

So, uh, yeah. Just...get to know the characters. If you're really stuck on something, bounce it off another fanfic author, or someone who is a fan of whatever character you're trying to portray.  I mean, there's nothing wrong with taking a few liberties, just don't break the suspension of disbelief. I can read fanfics of FShep and Tali romances, because while Tali likes dudes in ME, if her character is portrayed otherwise accuractely in the fic, I can believe it. If there's an AshleyxGarrus fic where Ashley is, from the start, a xenophile and doesn't read poetry or love her family or whatever, then I'm unlikely to finish it. 

As for plotting out stories:
-I don't really approach fanfics, or any of my nonfanfic stories with a set in stone plot. Of course, with Mass Effect, I've spent hours thinking up my Shep's past and how it is reflected in the actual games, but it's about a million pages of loose details. This happene here, this happened there. A lot of ideas, but no set structure or timeline I feel compelled to stick to. I've changed some things around as I've went, but they've mostly been minor.

However, others rely on a set structure. Some rely on having zero structure going into each chapter, and just wing it. It's all personal preference.

And i've rambled for days. Sorry

Modifié par fluffywalrus, 25 mai 2012 - 02:48 .

[Yoshiyuki Ly]

Icyflare wrote...

Hi, new to the forums. Saw the fanfiction discussion, and thought it'd be a good time to ask a question that's been bothering me for a while.

Sometimes, I find it very difficult to capture a character's voice or action, simply because I have an an idea of what I'd like a character to do in a certain situation but not a clear grasp of what they'd actually do. What kinds of tricks do you guys use to get around this block? Also, how do you guys plot your own stories? Personally, when I write something, no matter how hard I plan it out, the story gets away from me until it's a complete divergence from what I originally wanted. Any tips to share?

Capturing a character's voice is easier for some and harder for others. If you're good at impersonating people, then the same concept applies here. Mimicry is key here. Once you can mimic someone, even on paper, that shows you can understand them. Whenever I have Liara speak with someone, I try to have her answer with the same choice of words more or less that she uses in the games. I have key quotes in mind that I can fall back on if I'm having trouble structuring her sentences. Writing her in action is the same concept. I go back to what roles she's played in the games, and mold my new plots for her around what I've already seen her do. Having her work in a lab to achieve her goals is practical, as we've seen on Mars, even though she's used to working alone. Having her suddenly decide to be a stripper is strange and unbelievable. Her reasons must fall in line with her personality. If you decide to have Liara do something and can't come up with a reason that suits her, then you should probably scrap it. Not everything has to be decided right away. Try writing it out, see if it sounds right.

As for plotting stories, I know this may sound odd, but I never write anything down. Ever. Every time I write a thorough outline of each chapter and such, I end up thinking of something better as I'm composing the current chapter I'm on. Said concept always destroys the idea for the outline I'd just writen  so I'm of the mind that if I write things down, I'll jinx myself. I start with an idea of something I'm passionate about, and it evolves from my heart. I do plan, of course, by thinking about scenarios. As the story progresses, I make sure to address possible plot holes and cover/answer for them, make sure everyone's motivations are believable, things like that. Keeping everyone in character and such is not a priority for me, as if I'm constantly deciding to not do things because they're OOC. I just know. It's an innate thing. Ineffable, really. I'm also so detail-oriented that I can remember every little thing I've written in order to make sure I'm foreshadowing something appropriately and so forth. I almost have a "photographic" memory of all of my chapters/stories. It's kind of creepy

If you want to see what I mean, I have a FShep/Liara fic up. Link's in my signature.

Modifié par Yoshiyuki Ly, 25 mai 2012 - 03:49 .

[moreeman06]

 So I'm back from DC and find i have to play catchup again....<_<

I did promise another story to you guys the moment i got back but considering that it took me all day to go through the notifications and such on my deviantart/email etc.....  I might have it up tomorrow or I'll spend all of tomorrow trying to read the 20 plus pages i missed.  and for good measure because I'm not sure how PMC has handled my absences

*throws blue baby smiles wanly and leaves towards the portal to thread chasing hell*

[Yoshiyuki Ly]

Oh, you know, fanfic discussion, DLC discussion, shaking our heads at the number of Liara hate threads popping up as of late.

[Makrys]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

That could use a better/real background - and I think she looks a little too sad, like she doesn't really want to be there.

I wasn't looking at the background. 

And I think she looks thoughtful. Mournful isn't necessarily bad. I imagine her sitting on her bed thinking about Shepard... maybe worried about him. It's very well done, though I would have liked a better setting indeed, maybe like actually on her bed or something.

Modifié par Makrys, 25 mai 2012 - 04:12 .

[Aristobulus500]

I always find it hilarious people say Liara comes on too strong, when for Liaramancers, we don't get enough, because those same scenes that make people think she's too strong? Are exactly the same for Liaramancers and are just friend scenes. There's no change or acknowledgment of a romance.

[Yoshiyuki Ly]

Yeah, that definitely seems to be what they're complaining about. I was pleasantly surprised by how much we got to see her in the third game.

Totally agree with you about the series itself. I care more about building on it via art like you. Drawing, fanfic, etc. Liara's character is too attractive not to explore, definitely.


edit:

oh wow, top of the page! Never thought I'd be the lucky one.



Can't resist that come-hither animation she does in this scene. I grin every time I see it.

Modifié par Yoshiyuki Ly, 25 mai 2012 - 04:18 .

[Makrys]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I always find it hilarious people say Liara comes on too strong, when for Liaramancers, we don't get enough, because those same scenes that make people think she's too strong? Are exactly the same for Liaramancers and are just friend scenes. There's no change or acknowledgment of a romance.

From someone's perspective who doesn't like her, they of course see it as too much Liara. From our perspective, like you said, its not enough because most of it is just 'friend talk'. Which really bugged me. There were very few instances where the dialogue altered based on whether she was your LI or not. <_<

Modifié par Makrys, 25 mai 2012 - 04:15 .