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EsterCloat wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I haven't seen it but I'm sure it's on youtube. Just from hearing it I can't help but think I'd vastly prefer the version I got - where Liara confesses first, confidently. It's a small change, yet at the same time, very significant and powerful for what it says in how Liara is feeling, and how she thinks of Shepard and their relationship.

I really like that if you've been faithful to her, she'll say it first, not Shepard - and it's not just a difference in her tone of voice. She's actually confident and free of doubts, whereas otherwise there are still some lingering doubts.

It's so satisfying and just...peaceful to get that scene between Liara/Shep, for a change.

Edit - I get what you're saying about not playing a cheater, but I didn't think when it came to the scene pre-Cronos station that there was a difference. I thought there were only two variations - either your Shep was faithful from ME1 onwards, or he wasn't. Even if not being was just because your Shep didn't PLAY ME1/ME2.

There's three versions from what I can tell.

Faithful for three games.

Unfaithful at some point.

New romance.


So. Gorgeous. Must... not... nooooooo not again... :crying:

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Tyranniac wrote...

 

So that means... no "I love you", no blue babies, and no couldn't do this without you in the new romance. Maybe it's not that great after all then. :pinched:


I'm very glad Bioware rewarded us somewhat for staying faithful to her.

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Just a quick question about romances: I'm importing a ME2 save where I romanced Liara in LotSB and no one in ME2 proper, but ME3 shows during the import process that I romanced no one in ME2. Is this how it's supposed to work?

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Hi, new to the forums. Saw the fanfiction discussion, and thought it'd be a good time to ask a question that's been bothering me for a while.

Sometimes, I find it very difficult to capture a character's voice or action, simply because I have an an idea of what I'd like a character to do in a certain situation but not a clear grasp of what they'd actually do. What kinds of tricks do you guys use to get around this block? Also, how do you guys plot your own stories? Personally, when I write something, no matter how hard I plan it out, the story gets away from me until it's a complete divergence from what I originally wanted. Any tips to share?


I'm a bit late to the party, but I wanted to weigh in here.

Personally, I get to know the characters. Sort of like how you would get to know a friend. Find out what happened in the character's past, what they're doing now, what they plan to do and how all of that relates to each other. I also take a good long look at people that influenced the character in question such as parents or friends. Take Liara, for instance. I pay very close attention to every thing she says about Benezia, and Benezia's confrontation. I believe that in order to get to know Liara, you also have to know Benezia.

Benezia is a matriarch, a leader in the asari culture. Very soon after talking to Liara, one gets the impression that Benezia takes this very seriously. She likes to look to the future, and I hypothesize that she did not take Liara's archeology exploits very seriously. She referred to it as an attempt of, basically, teenage rebellion. This gives the impression that she believed that Liara would drop her profession in due time. (Which, ironically, she sort of did. Dealing in information that can affect the future of governments ("I can start a war!") is about as future driven as you can get.) So, in a way, Liara did eventually "fall in line" as far as Benezia's vision of her is concerned. Not necessarily legal, but you take what you get.

Once we get into her confrontation, the idea that she is very career driven becomes more apparent, in my opinion. What is the first thing she talks about once she briefly slips out of indoctrination? It's not Liara. It's literally about the future. She starts explaining about the Mu Relay and how that ties into Saren's plans to harm the galaxy. (Another thought here. The Mu Relay is closely tied to history, such as the Rachni Wars and history is the past. It is also ironic that in order to save the galaxy, Benezia who concentrates on leading her people into the future, had to delve into the past to serve her ultimate purpose. Both Liara and Benezia essentially switched roles in order to best serve the galaxy. Takes a new meaning to "walking in someone else's shoes" there, I think.) She talks business without really addressing Liara at all, at first. This had apparently rubbed off on Liara as well, this "needs of the many outweigh the few" thought process going on. She tells her mother that, "Knowing the location of the Mu Relay is not enough...." and Benezia apparently agreed with her.

However, Benezia is by no means cold. She does eventually address Liara and perhaps the most important line in the whole scene between the two is: "You've always made me proud, Liara." As a writer, that immediately piqued my interest. Just what does that mean exactly? Was Liara's field choice truly trivial to you, or was it just hard feelings because Liara chose a path you didn't plan for her? Or, perhaps you originally believed that her study of the Protheans was ultimately fruitless because the asari kept secret an essential relic of their culture. Perhaps you thought her time was better spent elsewhere. However, I'd imagine that Liara was very successful in her field, despite her theories not achieving the recognition they deserved and maybe Benezia was proud that Liara could succeed. Maybe she realized the irony in her actions. The past she thought so trivial was essential to Saren's plan, a plan she knew would affect the galaxy in a significant way. At any rate, she knew just how important Liara was to her and made sure she knew that before her death.

(Liara herself is perhaps ironic in relation to Benezia. As someone that turns to the future, she sure didn't apply that vision to her relationship choices. Asari couplings are a relic of their past. With space travel, mating with other species became prevalent, a symbol of the future to them. I'll have to think on if this fits into her characterization, but the thought is interesting regardless....)

Now, how does this all relate to Liara? Well, for one, Benezia's implied career driven personality was probably the leading reason as to why Liara is so awkward by the time we meet her. People are taught how to socialize. My own mother had to force me into social situations in my early childhood. Played by myself and didn't have the average vocabulary. Solution? Threw me into pre-school. What did Benezia do? In ME3, Liara talks of playing in the park, digging things up in search of Prothean secrets. Sounds adorable, but what she says after that is very interesting. "No one was happy...." and Benezia then lectured her. Obviously, more than one person was involved with this situation. Who was though? The park caretakers? Benezia? Followers that actually watch Liara? I'd argue that Benezia wasn't even there and Liara was alone, with no friends, and got into trouble. Lecturing in my experience is done after the fact. My parents were more inclined to actively stopping my shenanigans growing up instead of lecturing me on the spot. One has to wonder how much attention Benezia gave to Liara growing up. I don't think she neglected her, but did Benezia realize how awkward Liara was?

Liara speaks of how asari culture view her mother and her in turn for simply being related to her. There is an element of pressure involved considering that people expected her to take up the mantle her mother does. Benezia dealt in leading the asari onwards. How much of Liara's career choice was an escape attempt from the pressures of her culture and, perhaps even resentment, to how much attention Benezia gave to the asari relative to her? Liara may be good at her job, but I do agree with the idea that it started out as rebellion. It also played to her need to be isolated from people. If she didn't get properly socialized as a child, then all the attention she would receive simply being related to Benezia would be extremely hard on her. Going on remote digs away from asari space and the peer pressure while also disregarding her mother's world view must have been appealing to young Liara. Given how much Liara comes out of her shell in future games, we know that Liara can and will make a stand for herself. At this stage, she seems very passive aggressive, it sent a message to Benezia and her mother was definitely smart enough to know what Liara may have been implying by studying the Protheans, thus creating the rift.

Whew, there is waaaayyyy more in regards to Liara. She is perhaps the most complicated character in ME with Miranda competing for that title as well. Now, massive chunks of the above are largely based on opinions and my own speculations, but that is an example of how I get to know characters. Listen, watch and ask questions about every little, solitary thing a character does. Realize that characters are not solitary balls of wonderfulness. They are all connected to each other and connected to the universe. Liara is characterized by her mother, by her past, by Shepard and by events in the story. All of these things and more affect who she is and how she reacts to things. She is also the a good example of how events change her character. I.E. Shepard's death and her subsequent change in personality. Keep everything in mind when writing her and anyone else and keep in mind the past and backstory in regards to each character. It's good to outline how you believe a character's past played out before writing them.

As for structuring plot, well, it's far less complicated. I tend to have a VERY loose outline and wing most of my stuff. I aim for a more organic feel to my stories and have it flow, rather than have it structured. I do have set points that I try to meet in a plot. In Striking, it is each in-game conversation you have with Liara. Everything in between that has not been planned so that way I have freedom in the story. Plot organization is largely up to each individual writer in question and it mostly has to do with what you're comfortable with.

But, yeah, sorry for the long post. :lol:

#38105
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TrulyInnovative wrote...

Just a quick question about romances: I'm importing a ME2 save where I romanced Liara in LotSB and no one in ME2 proper, but ME3 shows during the import process that I romanced no one in ME2. Is this how it's supposed to work?


Yes. It doesn't register the LOTSB. No worries. She's still your LI. :)

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Tyranniac wrote...

 

So that means... no "I love you", no blue babies, and no couldn't do this without you in the new romance. Maybe it's not that great after all then. :pinched:

Well, it's okay. You're still with her, it's just that you miss out on a lot if you didn't romance her previously.

Still, hearing her say I love you after three games certainly brought a smile to my face. :lol:

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TrulyInnovative wrote...

Just a quick question about romances: I'm importing a ME2 save where I romanced Liara in LotSB and no one in ME2 proper, but ME3 shows during the import process that I romanced no one in ME2. Is this how it's supposed to work?


Yes. The "Romanced no one" is about the ME2 maingame romances, not the LOTSB romance.

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EsterCloat wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

 

So that means... no "I love you", no blue babies, and no couldn't do this without you in the new romance. Maybe it's not that great after all then. :pinched:

Well, it's okay. You're still with her, it's just that you miss out on a lot if you didn't romance her previously.

Still, hearing her say I love you after three games certainly brought a smile to my face. :lol:


More so a smile to my heart! <3

#38109
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Makrys wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

 

So that means... no "I love you", no blue babies, and no couldn't do this without you in the new romance. Maybe it's not that great after all then. :pinched:


I'm very glad Bioware rewarded us somewhat for staying faithful to her.


Yeah, of course, that's great. The imported romance has many amazing exclusive scenes. I'm just a bit disappointed my friend will get so little content.

Something else: The datapad app proves they spent more time together after the fade to black in the Presidium scene. They went for a walk and such! Nobody responded when I said it impled they spent more time together on the Normandy as well, so I guess no one will respond to this either. Anyways, I like that the app helps contribute to the romance.

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EsterCloat wrote...

(Gah, what the hell am I doing?)

Hello fellow Liara fans! I have written a story! Yay!

Well, sort of. It's only a prologue for now, setting up the story proper. I plan on making it Shep/Liara but I actually don't plan on having the events of the Mass Effect series happen for some time, the first arc of the story instead focusing on Shepard on Earth as he eventually becomes a soldier and grows into the person he'll be in the ME games.

Anyway, here it is: Mass Effect: To the Stars.

Hopefully I don't procrastinate about adding more chapters. :whistle:

:?


I don't normally red MShep stories, but seeing that yours is an origin one, I figure it'll be worth it :) I've been writing my Shep's origin fic too, another Earthborn like yours. It fascinates me how...varied so many of them are, from reading the fanfiction.

No real constructive criticism yet. Everything was pretty well done. The only thing that threw me off a litte...and this could be due to it being 3AM here, but at the start, Liara walks into Shep's quarters and sees him drinking. It dives into details on the battle, and when the battle-talk ends, Liara's back in her room sending Shep a message.
I might have missed an important line or two, though. I'm pretty tired and sometimes my mouse wheel scrolls up more than I expect. :P

Looking forward to more!

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Tyranniac wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

 

So that means... no "I love you", no blue babies, and no couldn't do this without you in the new romance. Maybe it's not that great after all then. :pinched:


I'm very glad Bioware rewarded us somewhat for staying faithful to her.


Yeah, of course, that's great. The imported romance has many amazing exclusive scenes. I'm just a bit disappointed my friend will get so little content.

Something else: The datapad app proves they spent more time together after the fade to black in the Presidium scene. They went for a walk and such! Nobody responded when I said it impled they spent more time together on the Normandy as well, so I guess no one will respond to this either. Anyways, I like that the app helps contribute to the romance.


Datapad app? :huh:

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Makrys wrote...

Yes. It doesn't register the LOTSB. No worries. She's still your LI. :)


Lizardviking wrote...

Yes. The "Romanced no one" is about the ME2 maingame romances, not the LOTSB romance.


Thanks, guys/gals. I figured this would be the case, but it's nice to have it verified.

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TrulyInnovative wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Yes. It doesn't register the LOTSB. No worries. She's still your LI. :)


Lizardviking wrote...

Yes. The "Romanced no one" is about the ME2 maingame romances, not the LOTSB romance.


Thanks, guys/gals. I figured this would be the case, but it's nice to have it verified.


Are you just now about to begin ME3? Or just another playthrough but with Liara as LI? :)

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Makrys wrote...

Datapad app? :huh:


The iPhone app that  lets you recieve short messages from characters as you progress in the campaign? (And yes, they changed base on your actions and romance and such). I really like it. Anyway, I should go!

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Tyranniac wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Datapad app? :huh:


The iPhone app that  lets you recieve short messages from characters as you progress in the campaign? (And yes, they changed base on your actions and romance and such). I really like it. Anyway, I should go!


Sometimes I hate Android. <_<

That sounds awesome. :(

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fluffywalrus wrote...

I don't normally red MShep stories, but seeing that yours is an origin one, I figure it'll be worth it :) I've been writing my Shep's origin fic too, another Earthborn like yours. It fascinates me how...varied so many of them are, from reading the fanfiction.

No real constructive criticism yet. Everything was pretty well done. The only thing that threw me off a litte...and this could be due to it being 3AM here, but at the start, Liara walks into Shep's quarters and sees him drinking. It dives into details on the battle, and when the battle-talk ends, Liara's back in her room sending Shep a message.
I might have missed an important line or two, though. I'm pretty tired and sometimes my mouse wheel scrolls up more than I expect. :P

Looking forward to more!

Heh, sorry if that was confusing. I tend to jump around a bit. The beginning has Liara going up to Shepard's room with the whole battle part essentially being what Garrus had relayed to her, with some extra details for flavor and such, and then it just kind of slides forward with Liara sending Shepard a message and being called up, which is why she was going up to Shepard's room in the beginning. So it's kind of like I chopped off that little piece of timeline and added it to the beginning. Sorry if that wasn't clear. Maybe a few breaks would help...*thinking*

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Makrys wrote...


Are you just now about to begin ME3? Or just another playthrough but with Liara as LI? Either way, you're going to enjoy it with her as your LI! For the most part. :)


No, I've played ME3 through three times. The first time was a FemShep who romanced Liara, the second was a Tali romance and the third a Kaidan romance with another FemShep. I was tempted to go with Liara again in the third, but wanted to see how the Kaidan romance would play out.

I'm just starting another playthrough with Liara as a LI and wanted to make sure there would be no problems. I have to say, Liara is definitely my favorite LI this time around, although Tali's romance was done well, too.

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MidnightRaith wrote...

Icyflare wrote...

Hi, new to the forums. Saw the fanfiction discussion, and thought it'd be a good time to ask a question that's been bothering me for a while.

Sometimes, I find it very difficult to capture a character's voice or action, simply because I have an an idea of what I'd like a character to do in a certain situation but not a clear grasp of what they'd actually do. What kinds of tricks do you guys use to get around this block? Also, how do you guys plot your own stories? Personally, when I write something, no matter how hard I plan it out, the story gets away from me until it's a complete divergence from what I originally wanted. Any tips to share?


I'm a bit late to the party, but I wanted to weigh in here.

Personally, I get to know the characters. Sort of like how you would get to know a friend. Find out what happened in the character's past, what they're doing now, what they plan to do and how all of that relates to each other. I also take a good long look at people that influenced the character in question such as parents or friends. Take Liara, for instance. I pay very close attention to every thing she says about Benezia, and Benezia's confrontation. I believe that in order to get to know Liara, you also have to know Benezia.

...


Sorry, I had to cut you off there as the post was a bit long, but I agree with you. Knowing a character's motives, goals, desires, background, and basic information goes a long way to helping a writer shape the character's actions in-story. Not giving the little things enough thought often results in lazy writing or massive writer's block, as I unfortunately have discovered first hand. Thanks for the input though. Now, if you have some tips on how to by-pass writer's block...

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Icyflare wrote...

Sorry, I had to cut you off there as the post was a bit long, but I agree with you. Knowing a character's motives, goals, desires, background, and basic information goes a long way to helping a writer shape the character's actions in-story. Not giving the little things enough thought often results in lazy writing or massive writer's block, as I unfortunately have discovered first hand. Thanks for the input though. Now, if you have some tips on how to by-pass writer's block...


No worries, when it comes to characterization, I can go on forever. I didn't even realize that that post was going to be as long as it was until I actually posted it. :lol: There are many, many things one needs to think about when trying to get to know characters....

As for writer's block, I hop fics. Currently, I have three on-going fics at the moment. This helps me keep from getting burnt out on any one and more often than not, as I write on one, I get ideas for the others. I don't aim to be neglectful or distracted by any of them when writing the others, but it does tend to cure my writer's block in any case.

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Icyflare wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...

Icyflare wrote...

Hi, new to the forums. Saw the fanfiction discussion, and thought it'd be a good time to ask a question that's been bothering me for a while.

Sometimes, I find it very difficult to capture a character's voice or action, simply because I have an an idea of what I'd like a character to do in a certain situation but not a clear grasp of what they'd actually do. What kinds of tricks do you guys use to get around this block? Also, how do you guys plot your own stories? Personally, when I write something, no matter how hard I plan it out, the story gets away from me until it's a complete divergence from what I originally wanted. Any tips to share?


I'm a bit late to the party, but I wanted to weigh in here.

Personally, I get to know the characters. Sort of like how you would get to know a friend. Find out what happened in the character's past, what they're doing now, what they plan to do and how all of that relates to each other. I also take a good long look at people that influenced the character in question such as parents or friends. Take Liara, for instance. I pay very close attention to every thing she says about Benezia, and Benezia's confrontation. I believe that in order to get to know Liara, you also have to know Benezia.

...


Sorry, I had to cut you off there as the post was a bit long, but I agree with you. Knowing a character's motives, goals, desires, background, and basic information goes a long way to helping a writer shape the character's actions in-story. Not giving the little things enough thought often results in lazy writing or massive writer's block, as I unfortunately have discovered first hand. Thanks for the input though. Now, if you have some tips on how to by-pass writer's block...

Not MidnightRaith, but one thing that SOMETIMES works for me is to try and write something absolutely preposterous. Like,I'll open a new document and think up wild ideas for one-shot fics and see what happens.

So far I've hit two blocks(both tied to my apprehension over descriptive writing and not finding the right words), and both have been alleviated by severely ridiculous reinterpretations of  classic human ballets: The Nutcracker (Though I decided to only use the Dance of the Sugarplum Fairy portion because I recall that one more easily than the rest of it) starring the rachni queen, with commentary by Councillor Sparatus; and then a rendition of the ballet Swan Lake with a full krogan cast(Wrex as Siegfried , Grunt as Von Rothbart, Bakara as Odette).
Normally I only get a hundred or two words in before I can't take it anymore and jump back to my main.

There are some tips and tricks here and there though. Ending your daily work on your fic midsentence to spur fresh thoughts when you return to it, and stuff like that. Sometimes people need time. I'm not sure. I get over writer's block by writing bad fiction and guilt-tripping myself. :P

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Lizardviking wrote...

TrulyInnovative wrote...

Just a quick question about romances: I'm importing a ME2 save where I romanced Liara in LotSB and no one in ME2 proper, but ME3 shows during the import process that I romanced no one in ME2. Is this how it's supposed to work?


Yes. The "Romanced no one" is about the ME2 maingame romances, not the LOTSB romance.


Yes and no. The LotSB flag is bugged, I think for everybody. The only way to fix it is to check the “Toured Normandy” flag using Gibbed (i.e. PC or Xbox via modio, no PS3).

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EsterCloat wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

 

So that means... no "I love you", no blue babies, and no couldn't do this without you in the new romance. Maybe it's not that great after all then. :pinched:

Well, it's okay. You're still with her, it's just that you miss out on a lot if you didn't romance her previously.

Still, hearing her say I love you after three games certainly brought a smile to my face. :lol:


she says it anyway - on earth. So, you don't miss much at all (and frankly i could do without "blue babies" talk anyway).

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Now, if you have some tips on how to by-pass writer's block...


You could ask this thread, what people would like to read and then maybe get some inspiration from that.

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Sound like good alternatives to my current "keep-writing-until-your-brain-bursts" approach. Will try them out. Thanks.

Just realized I was at the top. Still trying to figure out the forum. Damn.

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