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[MrStoob]

I can see Liara continuing to try and learn more about the previous cycles' civilizations. She'd still like to dig around in the dirt for artifacts at heart.

[Aristobulus500]

I think Liara would give it up to Feron after the war with the Reapers, though she'd keep in contact with Feron and might still run things from the side, as something to do, but I think most of all she'd want to relax and have a peaceful life with Shepard.

Edit - Note that living out a peaceful life doesn't mean she gives up any research or scholarly efforts. There's nothing stopping Liara and Shep from still doing research and archaeology work just because Liara wants to. Just, stuff away from all the war and fighting, doing stuff because they want to, not because they have to.

Modifié par Aristobulus500, 25 mai 2012 - 11:45 .

[TheMarshal]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

I agree here, that ending really crushed my spirit and it's only through the forums, fan created fiction, art and videos of the loyal and dedicated fanbase who have poured so much love and effort into their works that has helped ease the pain and subdue the rage and disappointment that I felt after completing what could have been the most defining game of my generation. Thank the goddess for all the talented Mass Effect fans all over the world, you guys/gals to me were the only glimmer of light in the darkness that Bioware left us in:)

On the subject of fanfiction I remember recently reading a few pieces that had Liara and Shep settling down to raise a family, but these authors had Liara giving up her ShadowBroker post for good and handing the reins over to Feron. My question is could you see Liara doing that or do you think she would share the load with Feron more instead of giving up completly?

I have a hard time imagining Liara would simply give up the Shadow Broker role.  There's simply too much that can be done with it.  Too much that can be learned.  Too much that can be influenced.  I think that if she tried to give that up she would wind up feeling unfulfilled.  That would make for an interesting story, though...

In one of the unpublished stories that I was working on, she stays on as the Shadow Broker in a diminished role, mostly because throughout the course of the Reaper war most of the Broker's networks were compromised or destroyed (not canon, as it turns out), but also so that she could keep her nose clean while she and Alice raised their daughter.

[lillitheris]

TheMarshal wrote...

I have a hard time imagining Liara would simply give up the Shadow Broker role.  There's simply too much that can be done with it.  Too much that can be learned.  Too much that can be influenced.  I think that if she tried to give that up she would wind up feeling unfulfilled.  That would make for an interesting story, though...

In one of the unpublished stories that I was working on, she stays on as the Shadow Broker in a diminished role, mostly because throughout the course of the Reaper war most of the Broker's networks were compromised or destroyed (not canon, as it turns out), but also so that she could keep her nose clean while she and Alice raised their daughter.

Being the Shadow Broker is really dangerous, though. And all the references to the time she has to spend on it? That’s not a good environment to raise a child in, at all. Shepard going around getting shot at isn’t really a great career in that respect, either.

I’m kind of undecided on this point…it’s not an acute issue in Unity, so I figured I’ll let the characters decide which way they want to go if/when the time comes.

Modifié par lillitheris, 25 mai 2012 - 11:56 .

[Aristobulus500]

I mean, I don't think Liara would give up access to the Shadow Broker role entirely, as it is too enticing, offers too much to learn - but holding it full time would prevent her from living a life with Shepard, and I think she'd rather get away from it all, at least for a time, after all the stress of the war. She says herself, throughout the series, that she does want to just live a peaceful life with Shepard, multiple times. Just get away from it all.

[MrStoob]

Unfortunately, the Shadow Broker has become the worst kept secret in the galaxy. It's served its purpose now, probably best just to give it up and concentrate on the life that they have now assured.

Modifié par MrStoob, 26 mai 2012 - 12:02 .

[Akernis]

I don't think she would give it to Feron (or anyone else for that matter).
Personally I think she would either destroyed the network in its entirety (not kill the agents but reassign, etc) or that she would stay the Shadow Broker but in a wastly diminissed role, likely cutting the network drastically down the size. 

[Aristobulus500]

MrStoob wrote...

Unfortunately, the Shadow Broker has become the worst kept secret in the galaxy. It's served its purpose now, probably best just to give it up and concentrate on the life that they have now assured.

This really isn't true. The only people that know Liara is the Shadow Broker, are people close to her and Shepard. Even Barla Von had no idea.

[lillitheris]

^

Also, assuming there’s some kind of civilization left…can you imagine the number of paparazzi stalking THE SHEPARD’s girl? How you gonna shadowbroker in that? :happy:

Modifié par lillitheris, 26 mai 2012 - 12:15 .

[Akernis]

fluffywalrus wrote...


New Ma-Rin Liara/FemShep work
I really like this one

I will say this it is one of her better ones, there is still something about Liara's face but it is nowhere near the "unrecognisable" as the last one was. So in general I like it, and think it is actually quite good. 

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

MrStoob wrote...

Unfortunately, the Shadow Broker has become the worst kept secret in the galaxy. It's served its purpose now, probably best just to give it up and concentrate on the life that they have now assured.

This really isn't true. The only people that know Liara is the Shadow Broker, are people close to her and Shepard. Even Barla Von had no idea.

Admiral Hackett isn't that close to them (other than the fact he seems to have their implicit trust but if anyone would trust him that much, it would be Shepard. And lest it be said that bondmates share memories / feelings so Liara would follow accordingly / trust Shepard's opinion, I don't think it's that cut and dried as that would make her like a "automaton" ) so I'm wondering why she would tell him. I doubt Shepard would. Unless ... her sources gave her that 100% confirmation that Hackett is ironclad trustworthy. But still, it still seems risky.

P.S. Seen this article? It's Not My Fault

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 26 mai 2012 - 01:05 .

[fluffywalrus]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

MrStoob wrote...

Unfortunately, the Shadow Broker has become the worst kept secret in the galaxy. It's served its purpose now, probably best just to give it up and concentrate on the life that they have now assured.

This really isn't true. The only people that know Liara is the Shadow Broker, are people close to her and Shepard. Even Barla Von had no idea.

Admiral Hackett isn't that close to them (other than the fact he seems to have their implicit trust but if anyone would trust him that much, it would be Shepard. And lest it be said that bondmates share memories / feelings so Liara would follow accordingly / trust Shepard's opinion, I don't think it's that cut and dried as that would make her like a "automaton" ) so I'm wondering why she would tell him. I doubt Shepard would. Unless ... her sources gave her that 100% confirmation that Hackett is ironclad trustworthy. But still, it still seems risky.

P.S. Seen this article? It's Not My Fault

Patrick Weekes has been one of the stronger writers for Bioware, and I was aghast when I learned he wasn't going to have a hand in the ending. I truly, truly hope he wasn't reprimanded for that post, and that he's been brought in(along with the rest of the writers) to help do the EC. It's the only way to make it better.

[Aristobulus500]

Hudson and Casey seriously need to be fired and Weekes needs to take their positions. They aren't even good enough to empty his trash cans. And Weekes is amazing and completely on board with what fans want to see in the games.

Also that new Liara/Shep picture at the top...that artist can seriously do everything well except Liara's face. It's really strange. Liara's face ALWAYS looks awkward and off, and doesn't look like her at all.

Admiral Hackett isn't that close to them (other than the fact he seems to have their implicit trust but if anyone would trust him that much, it would be Shepard. And lest it be said that bondmates share memories / feelings so Liara would follow accordingly / trust Shepard's opinion, I don't think it's that cut and dried as that would make her like a "automaton" ) so I'm wondering why she would tell him. I doubt Shepard would. Unless ... her sources gave her that 100% confirmation that Hackett is ironclad trustworthy. But still, it still seems risky.

There's no way Shepard doesn't trust Hackett with that kind of info - and since Shepard trusts him, Liara would too. And besides, she probably has tabs on Hackett too so she could double check and know he's trustworthy.

[lillitheris]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Admiral Hackett isn't that close to them (other than the fact he seems to have their implicit trust but if anyone would trust him that much, it would be Shepard. And lest it be said that bondmates share memories / feelings so Liara would follow accordingly / trust Shepard's opinion, I don't think it's that cut and dried as that would make her like a "automaton" ) so I'm wondering why she would tell him. I doubt Shepard would. Unless ... her sources gave her that 100% confirmation that Hackett is ironclad trustworthy. But still, it still seems risky.

There's no way Shepard doesn't trust Hackett with that kind of info - and since Shepard trusts him, Liara would too. And besides, she probably has tabs on Hackett too so she could double check and know he's trustworthy.

I wouldn’t trust anyone with that info, to be honest. It’s the kind of info that trustworthiness doesn’t even come to play…one more person in the know means ten more avenues of getting some crucial info even without talking to Hackett himself.

[Akernis]

lillitheris wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Admiral Hackett isn't that close to them (other than the fact he seems to have their implicit trust but if anyone would trust him that much, it would be Shepard. And lest it be said that bondmates share memories / feelings so Liara would follow accordingly / trust Shepard's opinion, I don't think it's that cut and dried as that would make her like a "automaton" ) so I'm wondering why she would tell him. I doubt Shepard would. Unless ... her sources gave her that 100% confirmation that Hackett is ironclad trustworthy. But still, it still seems risky.

There's no way Shepard doesn't trust Hackett with that kind of info - and since Shepard trusts him, Liara would too. And besides, she probably has tabs on Hackett too so she could double check and know he's trustworthy.

I wouldn’t trust anyone with that info, to be honest. It’s the kind of info that trustworthiness doesn’t even come to play…one more person in the know means ten more avenues of getting some crucial info even without talking to Hackett himself.

If we say it was an option would you have Liara keep that information from Shepard as well?

[Makrys]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Hudson and Casey seriously need to be fired and Weekes needs to take their positions. They aren't even good enough to empty his trash cans. And Weekes is amazing and completely on board with what fans want to see in the games.

Also that new Liara/Shep picture at the top...that artist can seriously do everything well except Liara's face. It's really strange. Liara's face ALWAYS looks awkward and off, and doesn't look like her at all.

Admiral Hackett isn't that close to them (other than the fact he seems to have their implicit trust but if anyone would trust him that much, it would be Shepard. And lest it be said that bondmates share memories / feelings so Liara would follow accordingly / trust Shepard's opinion, I don't think it's that cut and dried as that would make her like a "automaton" ) so I'm wondering why she would tell him. I doubt Shepard would. Unless ... her sources gave her that 100% confirmation that Hackett is ironclad trustworthy. But still, it still seems risky.

There's no way Shepard doesn't trust Hackett with that kind of info - and since Shepard trusts him, Liara would too. And besides, she probably has tabs on Hackett too so she could double check and know he's trustworthy.

Hehe, I think you mean Casey Hudson and Mac Walters. 

And I completely agree about Weekes. Which is why I made this a few days ago.

Modifié par Makrys, 26 mai 2012 - 02:26 .

[lillitheris]

Akernis wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Admiral Hackett isn't that close to them (other than the fact he seems to have their implicit trust but if anyone would trust him that much, it would be Shepard. And lest it be said that bondmates share memories / feelings so Liara would follow accordingly / trust Shepard's opinion, I don't think it's that cut and dried as that would make her like a "automaton" ) so I'm wondering why she would tell him. I doubt Shepard would. Unless ... her sources gave her that 100% confirmation that Hackett is ironclad trustworthy. But still, it still seems risky.

There's no way Shepard doesn't trust Hackett with that kind of info - and since Shepard trusts him, Liara would too. And besides, she probably has tabs on Hackett too so she could double check and know he's trustworthy.

I wouldn’t trust anyone with that info, to be honest. It’s the kind of info that trustworthiness doesn’t even come to play…one more person in the know means ten more avenues of getting some crucial info even without talking to Hackett himself.

If we say it was an option would you have Liara keep that information from Shepard as well?

Whether she’d be able to, I’m not certain. Leaving aside the question of melds, which I think would make it impossible, she’d have an awful lot of little white lies to make up, what with the mysterious ship in Hagalaz to start with.

I think she would consider it, certainly. She was already an information broker, so theoretically she could, for example, play it off as having decided to join forces with Feron who had been running a rival network, giving some plausibility to her improved intel gathering?

[Makrys]

Akernis wrote...

fluffywalrus wrote...

*snip*

New Ma-Rin Liara/FemShep work
I really like this one

I will say this it is one of her better ones, there is still something about Liara's face but it is nowhere near the "unrecognisable" as the last one was. So in general I like it, and think it is actually quite good. 

Pretty sure the big problem is the nose. Looks nothing like Liara's and really makes the character in the picture take on a whole different look. The eyes and mouth are also too small. Definitely does not resemble Liara. Still a good picture though!

Modifié par Makrys, 26 mai 2012 - 02:53 .

[Yuqi]

fluffywalrus wrote...


New Ma-Rin Liara/FemShep work
I really like this one

OMG Top

This is very nice, but when I saw Jane,  I thought of Kenshin. It is very nice though.

Regarding: The Witcher 2.

I have it played it, but the swearing  is off putting. I really think people exaggerate how good it is ( Origins was much better, and didn't require  f this & f that.) The gameplay is less mind numbing though, and is not watered down.

Is anyone else annoyed with the surge of Liara/Javi, and also Liara/Fshep/Traynor?

[Yuqi]

and look someone posted this on tmblr

[Makrys]

I think if I could choose from any fanfic, to be the actual canon ending of the game, I'd choose "Here at the End of All Things". It really ties everything up nicely, and provides a pretty extensive epilogue. But I just love how it depicts Liara post-beam. Anxiously waiting, nervous, worried to death that... Shepard may not make it. And then when they're reunited in the Normandy, and go on to live on Eden Prime... it was just a beautiful end to the trilogy.

And personally, if I were the lead director on the franchise I would have done everything in my power to provide that type of ending and closure. Sure the ending (after the beam) may be 10 to 15 minutes of cutscenes (though it wouldn't have to be, there could be some dialogue in there), but at least it would have sent off the trilogy the way it deserved to be. And frankly I think the fans deserve an ending like that. So if I were lead director, I would have said (given we had enough time) to the team, "Look guys, we've got some extra time, let's craft a lovely epilogue to send Shepard and the crew out with". Boom, craft something like this for every LI, and I don't think anyone would very many people would be complaining about the ending.

Don't tell me, "That would be impossible to do"! I refuse to believe that. If Bioware truly wanted to give us closure and sort a salute to the fans, they would spend the time and money to end the trilogy like that. Cuz it sure as hell deserves it. Shepard deserves it. So why not? I would have done it. Or at least pushed the team as hard as they could to do anything close to it. It would have been so worth it.

*sigh* But I'm not the lead director. And I'm not saying that would be the only ending. It would be one of many. But I don't know why we couldn't have gotten an ending with that kind of depth. It should have happened, and it would have been amazing. A Return of the King style ending. Mass Effect deserves it.

Modifié par Makrys, 26 mai 2012 - 03:42 .