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[CrimsonN7]

Han Shot First wrote...


Some of the lore of the Asari seems to be based on ancient Greece, particularly the way the way that Thessia (and presumably, their colony worlds) are organized into city-states. The three stages of an Asari woman's life also seem to be based on the three stages of an woman's life, as the ancient Greeks saw it. With that in mind if the writers ever expanded upon the marriage customs of the Asari, perhaps their customs should be loosely based on ancient Greece as well?

In ancient Greece brides would be ritually bathed & dressed by their maids, and typically wore brightly colored veils of yellow or red rather than white. There would be a wedding feast & dancing involving both families, after which the bride would be led at night in a procession to the husband's home, accompanied by torch bearers, musicians, minstrels & singers. The bride would carry ivy, which symbolized eternal love. At the home there would be a brief ceremony, where IIRC they were considered married when she crossed the threshold of the door.

Cool points, I could defiantly go with these concept, the asari like the ancient Greeks were a very diplomatic, philosophical and cultural race. Also another interesting comparison remember the indentured servants on Illium, this is quite like the Greeks Free People and slaves, although the Slaves of Ancient Greece had no rights though and could not leave.

Off topic- Would any of you guys/gals like Liara to meet her half-hanar sister? I for one would like them to meet, I'd imagine Aethyta would still be in touch with her hopefully. I could just picture the two of them having girly chats, swapping stories and of course Liara telling embarrassing stories about the Saviour of the Citadel, Liara knew all those mind-melds would come in handy lol:D

[Obsidian Gryphon]

CrimsonN7 wrote...


Cool points, I could defiantly go with these concept, the asari like the ancient Greeks were a very diplomatic, philosophical and cultural race. Also another interesting comparison remember the indentured servants on Illium, this is quite like the Greeks Free People and slaves, although the Slaves of Ancient Greece had no rights though and could not leave.

Off topic- Would any of you guys/gals like Liara to meet her half-hanar sister? I for one would like them to meet, I'd imagine Aethyta would still be in touch with her hopefully. I could just picture the two of them having girly chats, swapping stories and of course Liara telling embarrassing stories about the Saviour of the Citadel, Liara knew all those mind-melds would come in handy lol:D

Presuming Aethyta wasn't pulling Liara's leg, yes, I would like them to meet. They're family after all. Should be interesting to see what kind of temperament / character the sister has. Providing every line doesn't start with : This One Is ....    

[Arcataye]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

Presuming Aethyta wasn't pulling Liara's leg, yes, I would like them to meet. They're family after all. Should be interesting to see what kind of temperament / character the sister has. Providing every line doesn't start with : This One Is ....  

Sister: "This one is pleased to finally meet you. This one is half hanar."
Liara: "But it doesn't work that way!"
Sister: "Ha, just teasing you. Wanted to see if you'd head-butt me."
Liara: "Not funny!"
Aethyta: "Now careful with the bloodrage, you said it would be nice to meet your sister."
Liara: "I'd say she is less than half hanar and more like you, father."

??

Modifié par Arcataye, 26 mai 2012 - 11:59 .

[Tyranniac]

Arcataye wrote...


Sister: "This one is pleased to finally meet you. This one is half hanar."
Liara: "But it doesn't work that way!"
Sister: "Ha, just teasing you. Wanted to see if you'd head-butt me."
Liara: "Not funny!"
Aethyta: "Now careful with the bloodrage, you said it would be nice to meet your sister."
Liara: "I'd say she is less than half hanar and more like you, father."

??

[Theodoro]

Liara knows the dangers of having too much information and power - Shepard himself/herself warns her about it; I'm convinced that once the war is over, Liara will pull the plug of everything related to the Shadow Broker. In my opinion, Liara reclaims the position with one intention: to help Shepard in the war effort - she says so herself. After that is done, there's nothing she would want to do with that power. I'd suspect that she'll decide it will be for the best if nobody had that power and she would erase all data. I think it's what Shepard would advise her to do.

[Wulfram]

How much of the SB network would have survived the war anyway? Even ignoring the destroyed relays, a lot of vital parts of it would have been lost.

I tend to see Liara as the sort of person who'd find it difficult not to be working very hard at something. If she's going to stop being the SB, she'd need to find something else. Like the project to build new relays?

[kumquats]

Arcataye wrote...

Bioware's argument that adding or changing the ending (we honestly got only one) would break their artistic integrity is horrible.
Witcher 2 team does exactly that for their smaller (at least less vocal) crowd of fans asking for it. Nobody says they're breaking their art, instead everyone loves them for what they're doing.

What I find funny is that the Enhanced Edition patch alone is larger in file size than the whole Mass Effect 3. Well a large part of it is high quality textures, they take a lot of space. But whatever, still thought it was funny.

I too have the game, but still haven't got around to play it. Same problem as you frudi, I can't play anything non-ME right now. What is wrong with us?

“What we did doesn’t compromise our artistic integrity,” Badowski said. “We didn’t change the ending, but extended the outro. The story of The Witcher 2 is complete, and we didn’t change the writing. By extending
the outro we mean adding new cinematics to it. We are really proud of what our story team did, so there was no point in changing that. What we added is a short cutscene and a series of final-boards. These short
scenes will change depending on the player’s choices in the game. They show how your decisions influenced individual characters, locations and kingdoms. Our game was always about choice, and this is a neat way to
show players how they really had control over the story.”

How is that so much different from what BW is doing at the moment? Did I miss something?

Modifié par kumquats, 26 mai 2012 - 11:56 .

[Theodoro]

Wulfram wrote...

How much of the SB network would have survived the war anyway? Even ignoring the destroyed relays, a lot of vital parts of it would have been lost.

I tend to see Liara as the sort of person who'd find it difficult not to be working very hard at something. If she's going to stop being the SB, she'd need to find something else. Like the project to build new relays?

Well, assuming we accept the horrid ending as it is right now... Yes, I'd suspect that she will want to help rebuild the Mass Relays since she obviously wants to go back to Thessia sometime during her life-span - the place for her and Shepard to live and have a family in.

[kyg_20X6]

frudi wrote...

When does she say that about not leaving her position, in LotSB or during ME3?
It actually makes sense, Shepard is kind of her emotional and moral anchor, their relationship keeps her grounded. Without Shepard I imagine she would be far more likely to get consumed by the job and not notice herself 'slipping to the dark side', so to speak. I guess that's what Shepard's reply might imply as well.

After saying you want to be just friends:

Shepard: "And who knows, maybe you'll settle down after this".
Liara: "C'mon, you don't see me going into civilian life do you?"
Shepard: "No, but I figure all the more reason to stay in touch."
Liara: "Someone to share a few secrets with?"
Shepard: "Exactly."

[lillitheris]

Tyranniac wrote...

lillitheris wrote...


No, I’m not comfortable with that either…although to be fair, the previous brokers didn’t start wars either, they just maybe ordered a few assassinations and such (yes yes, I know) and got filthy rich.

And how do you know that? 

I should not have been quite as absolute about that, you’re right. Let me reformulate:

The previous Shadow Brokers weren’t supervillains, and the network isn’t the mafia. They were information brokers first and foremost, and based on what we see, money is basically pouring in through all openings so they don’t really even need to manipulate things all that much, they just benefit from the info (e.g. they don’t need to go to the lengths of buying out medi-gel factories and then instigating a war to make a buck).

So I suppose my fundamental point is that though Feron isn’t as paragony as Liara is, even in the worst case scenario he wouldn’t start wearing a cape and underpants.

lillitheris wrote...
1. Give it to a ‘public’ espionage agency like the Spectres or SA intelligence. This is extremely unlikely to work, it’ll almost certainly be found out; or

 

The Spectres aren't really unified though. And the Alliance would probably use it for immoral things.

Well, you’d have a single Spectre assigned to the task and distributing the info or whatever. But as I said, I don’t think any such scheme would actually be viable.

[MrStoob]

Akernis wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Akernis wrote...
"Years later after the Shepard's death."

It is not much but i hate the concept of "The Shepard" and Liara alone without Shepard makes me sad

Where did you see this? 

http://whalec.devian...later-295794667

I know this is from a few pages back like but...

Is the suggestion in the image that Liara becomes a Justicar?

[Theodoro]

MrStoob wrote...

Is the suggestion in the image that Liara becomes a Justicar?

I don't know. I honestly don't see Liara becoming a Justicar - it's just doesn't seem like her. For her to be a Justicar, she needs to be absolutely ruthless to her opponents and obey a code that compels her to put aside her personal feelings and essentially become a righteousness-imposing machine that is willing to kill a man for the most minor of offences or kill a police officer for keeping her under arrest for over a day's length. She wants to do good in life and help in the galaxy to the best of her abilities, but I don't think becoming a Justicar is what she would want to do.

[Theodoro]

frudi wrote...


Thanks for the transcript, though I still don't know where it's from, LotSB or ME3? I tried loading some saved games now and I can't get this particular dialogue, either when you talk to her post-SB battle or the first time on the Normandy in ME3. Are there any other requirements? Both saves were from a playthrough where I'd romanced her in ME1 and didn't cheat on her, so maybe that's the problem?

It's during the Citadel Date in ME3 after she says 'I wish we spent more time together like this - just friends' and you pick the other option on the down right corner.

[Tyranniac]

Wulfram wrote...

How much of the SB network would have survived the war anyway? Even ignoring the destroyed relays, a lot of vital parts of it would have been lost.

I tend to see Liara as the sort of person who'd find it difficult not to be working very hard at something. If she's going to stop being the SB, she'd need to find something else. Like the project to build new relays?

Note: The following is all assuming that the EC fixes the ending and it is also adapted to my own Shepard.

After the Normandy is rescued I imagine her helping the galaxy rebuild. Probably by using the remaining SB resources for research and rebuilding while dismantling the info network. She would also spend a lot of time with Shepard who would still be recovering, retired from the military now., so probably working mostly from their home. There'd be a child not too long after the end of the Reaper War, which would mean she'd stop working for some time. As for Shepard she would likely have to attend a number of diplomatic events and such but she wouldn't do any work for the Alliance anymore. Eventually, once Shepard has had the chance to live a calm life for a while and recover, I think she and Liara might start doing something together that they both enjoy, maybe get a small ship. Maybe just travel for a while. There is plenty of time to do plenty of things. I think both of them would take the time to help the galaxy rebuild (because it will surely be rebuilding for the entirety of Shepard's lifetime, and probably Liara's too.). Raising the children would be very important as well of course, so while each of them (maybe 3-4) are young, mostly doing things close to home.

[Arcataye]

frudi wrote...

She also seems quite cold and formal towards Samara if you bring her to the Ardat-Yakshi monastery mission. Might just be how asari usually treat Justicars, but I got the feeling she doesn't really approve of Samara and her code.

I'd be cold and formal too, just so I wouldn't blurt out something that the Code might take offense in. Matter of life and death. Just being in the same room with a Justicar would be terrifying, something that you do or have done in the past could get you killed in an instant.

That reminded me about a short fanfic where Samara goes to talk with Liara on Illium in ME2. Breaking Through.

Modifié par Arcataye, 26 mai 2012 - 12:33 .

[Tyranniac]

Arcataye wrote...


That reminded me about a short fanfic where Samara goes to talk with Liara on Illium in ME2. Breaking Through.

Interesting. Although obsolete now, luckily!

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Arcataye wrote...

Sister: "This one is pleased to finally meet you. This one is half hanar."
Liara: "But it doesn't work that way!"
Sister: "Ha, just teasing you. Wanted to see if you'd head-butt me."
Liara: "Not funny!"
Aethyta: "Now careful with the bloodrage, you said it would be nice to meet your sister."
Liara: "I'd say she is less than half hanar and more like you, father."

??

  Tkkes after mom I see. Bet she would look like her too. I can imagine the bickering were the two together for some time.

P.S. For once, very strangely when I played MP just now, GR was boosted rather than degraded. Usually I'd see it dropped below 100% but instead it went from 98 to 99. Weird.

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 26 mai 2012 - 01:14 .

[MrStoob]

Theodoro wrote...

MrStoob wrote...

Is the suggestion in the image that Liara becomes a Justicar?

I don't know. I honestly don't see Liara becoming a Justicar - it's just doesn't seem like her. For her to be a Justicar, she needs to be absolutely ruthless to her opponents and obey a code that compels her to put aside her personal feelings and essentially become a righteousness-imposing machine that is willing to kill a man for the most minor of offences or kill a police officer for keeping her under arrest for over a day's length. She wants to do good in life and help in the galaxy to the best of her abilities, but I don't think becoming a Justicar is what she would want to do.

Indeed, I'd agree with you.  Samara had very specific reasons for wanting that lifestyle.

[DarkCloudd]

Arcataye wrote...

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

Presuming Aethyta wasn't pulling Liara's leg, yes, I would like them to meet. They're family after all. Should be interesting to see what kind of temperament / character the sister has. Providing every line doesn't start with : This One Is ....  

Sister: "This one is pleased to finally meet you. This one is half hanar."
Liara: "But it doesn't work that way!"
Sister: "Ha, just teasing you. Wanted to see if you'd head-butt me."
Liara: "Not funny!"
Aethyta: "Now careful with the bloodrage, you said it would be nice to meet your sister."
Liara: "I'd say she is less than half hanar and more like you, father."

??

    

[Grimwick]

Arcataye wrote...

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

Presuming Aethyta wasn't pulling Liara's leg, yes, I would like them to meet. They're family after all. Should be interesting to see what kind of temperament / character the sister has. Providing every line doesn't start with : This One Is ....  

Sister: "This one is pleased to finally meet you. This one is half hanar."
Liara: "But it doesn't work that way!"
Sister: "Ha, just teasing you. Wanted to see if you'd head-butt me."
Liara: "Not funny!"
Aethyta: "Now careful with the bloodrage, you said it would be nice to meet your sister."
Liara: "I'd say she is less than half hanar and more like you, father."

??

That's perfect! 

[Wulfram]

One idea I'm playing around with in my mind currently is Catalyst Shep + Matriarch Liara as Secret Rulers of the Galaxy.  Not sure I've sold myself on the idea, but it seems potentially interesting.

Arcataye wrote...

Sister: "This one is pleased to finally meet you. This one is half hanar."
Liara: "But it doesn't work that way!"
Sister: "Ha, just teasing you. Wanted to see if you'd head-butt me."
Liara: "Not funny!"
Aethyta: "Now careful with the bloodrage, you said it would be nice to meet your sister."
Liara: "I'd say she is less than half hanar and more like you, father."

??

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Modifié par Wulfram, 26 mai 2012 - 03:42 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Wulfram wrote...

One idea I'm playing around with in my mind currently is Catalyst Shep + Matriarch Liara as Secret Rulers of the Galaxy.  Not sure I've sold myself on the idea, but it seems potentially interesting.

I like that idea, Shepard and Liara guiding the galaxy together.

Though I wonder if Liara would even approve of what Shepard did. Would she be horrified?