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Lizardviking wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

One idea I'm playing around with in my mind currently is Catalyst Shep + Matriarch Liara as Secret Rulers of the Galaxy.  Not sure I've sold myself on the idea, but it seems potentially interesting.


I like that idea, Shepard and Liara guiding the galaxy together.

Though I wonder if Liara would even approve of what Shepard did. Would she be horrified?


She may not agree with it, but she'll always respect the decisions made by "The Shepard/Shepherd"  *cringes*
Although I could see her being a little bit put off by synthesis (if such a concept even allows individual thought plausible)...  it's not what any of them (the crew) had in mind when it came down to "destroy the reapers"... I certainly didn't see that option coming at me.

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Lizardviking wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

One idea I'm playing around with in my mind currently is Catalyst Shep + Matriarch Liara as Secret Rulers of the Galaxy.  Not sure I've sold myself on the idea, but it seems potentially interesting.


I like that idea, Shepard and Liara guiding the galaxy together.

Though I wonder if Liara would even approve of what Shepard did. Would she be horrified?


Are you talking about Shepard somhow living on in a weird manner after Control/Synthesis or are you talking about the actual survival after Destroy?

If it's destroy, then I think she would understand, but I know my Shepard will be very troubled by the death of the geth, if they do infact die.

If it's Synthesis, well, I don't think she'll think much at all. Everyone is screwed and there's no more individuality.

If it's Control, then I think she would disapprove. Maybe think Shepard had been fooled by the Reapers to let them live (and she would probably be right.)

Just to be extra clear I don't believe in IT one bit, I think everything in the end happened. I also think the EC can patch things up. I do however think that the Reapers' influence was weighing hard on Shepard by the end, and I doubt the trustworthyness of the Catalyst.

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Tyranniac wrote...
Are you talking about Shepard somhow living on in a weird manner after Control/Synthesis or are you talking about the actual survival after Destroy?

If it's destroy, then I think she would understand, but I know my Shepard will be very troubled by the death of the geth, if they do infact die.

If it's Synthesis, well, I don't think she'll think much at all. Everyone is screwed and there's no more individuality.

If it's Control, then I think she would disapprove. Maybe think Shepard had been fooled by the Reapers to let them live (and she would probably be right.)

Just to be extra clear I don't believe in IT one bit, I think everything in the end happened. I also think the EC can patch things up. I do however think that the Reapers' influence was weighing hard on Shepard by the end, and I doubt the trustworthyness of the Catalyst.


Control, because the catalyst does not exsist any longer in synthesis.

And I doubt control was meant to be a trick to spare the Reapers if we jugde it by the older script.

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Robhuzz wrote...

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Shepard & Liara's future is really uncertain for me at this time ...

The two could stay together until Shepard dies, Liara could die during the war or they could end their relationship due to various reasons. Nervous about their future.

I won't know what will become of them until the war unfolds and finally ends.

Come on 3/6/2012                     Posted Image


Both Liara and Shepard will survive ME3. If Liara doesn't survive, I might sacrifice Shepard in the final battle (if possible) to stop the reapers. IF you believe in the afterlife it's a comforting thought that Liara and Shepard will at least be together, albeit differently than expected.

I doubt it'll come to the situation mentioned above though. I actually wonder if there's a way to break up with Liara in ME3, I'd be interested in her response if Shepard broke up with her after all this time. Though even though I'd reload an earlier save as soon as the scene ends I think I'd feel incredibly guilty about it...

 
hihihih just read this reply :D :D :D boy oh boy bioware lol. On topic not a big Liara fan, im a Ash fan all the way, romanced her on one of my shepards just for the hell of it, and well shes a interesting character as all ME chars are i guess ;D

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Tyranniac wrote...

Are you talking about Shepard somhow living on in a weird manner after Control/Synthesis or are you talking about the actual survival after Destroy?


I'm thinking Shepard picks Control and is turned into an AI of, effectively becoming the new Catalyst - which the leaked script seems to imply was Bioware's intent, at least at one point.  Though I'm not wedded to official canon here, just trying to see if it works as a starting point.

One of the things Liara would be doing is trying to help Shepard retain his/her humanity by keeping them interacting on a personal level, rather than being lured into the detached perspective that led the original catalyst to devalue human lives.  As well as using her network to help deal with hostile AI, gradually introduce advanced technologies and preserve peace.

Not sure if Catalyst Shepard would have used their Control to destroy the Reapers, or would have kept them in Dark Space as a reserve.  I tend to favour the "fly the reapers into a star" sort of plan, but having them still lurking might be more interesting from a story point of view.

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Wulfram wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

Are you talking about Shepard somhow living on in a weird manner after Control/Synthesis or are you talking about the actual survival after Destroy?


I'm thinking Shepard picks Control and is turned into an AI of, effectively becoming the new Catalyst - which the leaked script seems to imply was Bioware's intent, at least at one point.  Though I'm not wedded to official canon here, just trying to see if it works as a starting point.

One of the things Liara would be doing is trying to help Shepard retain his/her humanity by keeping them interacting on a personal level, rather than being lured into the detached perspective that led the original catalyst to devalue human lives.  As well as using her network to help deal with hostile AI, gradually introduce advanced technologies and preserve peace.

Not sure if Catalyst Shepard would have used their Control to destroy the Reapers, or would have kept them in Dark Space as a reserve.  I tend to favour the "fly the reapers into a star" sort of plan, but having them still lurking might be more interesting from a story point of view.


I just can't believe Shepard would be able to restrain herself and maintaing her old values while still maintaining control, even with Liara around. I imagine Liara would be the one that has to destroy Shepard, which is a rather bleak outlook.

Anyway, seems like a pointless topic! 

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Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

Arcataye wrote...

Sister: "This one is pleased to finally meet you. This one is half hanar."
Liara: "But it doesn't work that way!"
Sister: "Ha, just teasing you. Wanted to see if you'd head-butt me."
Liara: "Not funny!"
Aethyta: "Now careful with the bloodrage, you said it would be nice to meet your sister."
Liara: "I'd say she is less than half hanar and more like you, father."

??


Posted Image  Tkkes after mom I see. Bet she would look like her too. I can imagine the bickering were the two together for some time.


Aww I could totally picture this happening, Liara behind all her Shadowbroker rep is still the awkward adorable dork that my Shep fell head over heels for in ME1:wub: Ah Liara you still find a need to over analysis everything, stop being so cute damnit:D

Quick question- We all know that Asari are powerful biotics, even the average non-combatant asari could hold their own against any other biotic of a different race. My question is in regards to Liara's biotic prowness, we all know she is a very capable and powerful biotic in her own right. However in comparison to lets say Jack who through Cerberus' inhuman experiments and torture sessions since her youth has turned her into a biotic powerhouse, would you think Liara would destroy her or would she get her butt handed to her if these two went toe to toe?
My guess is Liara would win quite comfortably:D

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CrimsonN7 wrote...
Quick question- We all know that Asari are powerful biotics, even the average non-combatant asari could hold their own against any other biotic of a different race. My question is in regards to Liara's biotic prowness, we all know she is a very capable and powerful biotic in her own right. However in comparison to lets say Jack who through Cerberus' inhuman experiments and torture sessions since her youth has turned her into a biotic powerhouse, would you think Liara would destroy her or would she get her butt handed to her?
My guess is Liara would win quite comfortably:D

I don't think Liara would win comfortably, I'd expect to see a hell of a fight between her and Jack. While Jack relies on the pure strength of her biotic powers, which is undoubtedly considerable, I believe that Liara can use her own powers more strategically and I think that will help her immeasurably - quite possibly win her the fight. But still - hell of a fight.

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Control, because the catalyst does not exsist any longer in synthesis.

And I doubt control was meant to be a trick to spare the Reapers if we jugde it by the older script

 

Yeah I didn't know you were talking about an older version of the ending. Anyway, as I said above, I think it would end rather badly with Shepard either loosing herself or loosing control.

As for the current version, Control seems iffy, and it seems dangerous to keep the Reapers around. We also don't know if Shepard's control was absolute or only for a moment. Not to mention it's immoral and all. I guess Liara might actually approve though judging from dialogue in ME3, which is a scary thought. Could probably end very badly.

What makes you say the Catalyst doesn't exist after Synthesis by the way? (Or are you talking about an older script there as well?)

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Quick question- We all know that Asari are powerful biotics, even the average non-combatant asari could hold their own against any other biotic of a different race. My question is in regards to Liara's biotic prowness, we all know she is a very capable and powerful biotic in her own right. However in comparison to lets say Jack who through Cerberus' inhuman experiments and torture sessions since her youth has turned her into a biotic powerhouse, would you think Liara would destroy her or would she get her butt handed to her if these two went toe to toe?
My guess is Liara would win quite comfortably[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

 

I actually think Jack would win in a biotics-only fight, but they're probably fairly evenly matched.

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Tyranniac wrote...

What makes you say the Catalyst doesn't exist after Synthesis by the way? (Or are you talking about an older script there as well?)


I have to go down for dinner in a moment so I will just answer your very last question (i'll come back later).

If you notice. The Catalyst is an advanced AI living on the Citadel. And since the Citadel gets destroyed it is easy to assume that the catalyst died with it.

To futher prove this. The Reapers seemingly leave out of their own free will, because in synthesis they are no longer needed and the catalyst is gone.

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Story wise, Liara's Biotics don't really get much hype. Not like Samara and Jack do. So I'd put her a little weaker than them.

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CrimsonN7 wrote...


Quick question- We all know that Asari are powerful biotics, even the average non-combatant asari could hold their own against any other biotic of a different race. My question is in regards to Liara's biotic prowness, we all know she is a very capable and powerful biotic in her own right. However in comparison to lets say Jack who through Cerberus' inhuman experiments and torture sessions since her youth has turned her into a biotic powerhouse, would you think Liara would destroy her or would she get her butt handed to her if these two went toe to toe?
My guess is Liara would win quite comfortably:D



Why would Liara destroy Jack? Posted Image Both of them are trained differently in biotics since young. Liara would not have just learned the basics and stopped there (even if so, her mission to retreive Shepard's body would propel her to strengthen herself). I presume there would be advance classes for Asari. They are afterall, considered experts in biotics. Jack;'s biotic strength is fueled by her passions / anger whereas Liara isn't. So Jack would have an edge over Liara in terms of brute force but I think Liara can excel and defeat her using tactics / cunning.

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Lizardviking wrote...

I have to go down for dinner in a moment so I will just answer your very last question (i'll come back later).

If you notice. The Catalyst is an advanced AI living on the Citadel. And since the Citadel gets destroyed it is easy to assume that the catalyst died with it.

To futher prove this. The Reapers seemingly leave out of their own free will, because in synthesis they are no longer needed and the catalyst is gone.


The Citadel is damaged, but not completely destroyed. And the Crucible chamber seems fairly intact considering Shepard survived in it in Destroy (the destruction in Destroy and Synthesis is the same, yes?). As for the Reapers, they probably do leave because they are no longer needed as you say. Everything is now "perfect", like them. Suppose the Catalyst might deactive once its purpose is fulfilled, or not, depending on if it is separate from the Reapers or not.

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Story wise, Liara's Biotics don't really get much hype. Not like Samara and Jack do. So I'd put her a little weaker than them.

 

Yeah, Liara is obviously a very powerful biotic, but Jack and Samara seem to be even more powerful. All three of them also have different training and a different focus.

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Theodoro wrote...

CrimsonN7 wrote...
Quick question- We all know that Asari are powerful biotics, even the average non-combatant asari could hold their own against any other biotic of a different race. My question is in regards to Liara's biotic prowness, we all know she is a very capable and powerful biotic in her own right. However in comparison to lets say Jack who through Cerberus' inhuman experiments and torture sessions since her youth has turned her into a biotic powerhouse, would you think Liara would destroy her or would she get her butt handed to her?
My guess is Liara would win quite comfortably:D

I don't think Liara would win comfortably, I'd expect to see a hell of a fight between her and Jack. While Jack relies on the pure strength of her biotic powers, which is undoubtedly considerable, I believe that Liara can use her own powers more strategically and I think that will help her immeasurably - quite possibly win her the fight. But still - hell of a fight.


By comfortably want I should add is I would suspect Jack would fight angry and if you fight angry you open yourself up to making more mistakes and your technique would suffer as a result. I would like to think Liara would go into a battle very focused and she would be a superior  tactician in battle too. And I agree with you it would be an explosive battle but Liara for me would still win without over exerting herself as she would be a smart fighter.;)

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I'd peg Liara as only slightly less powerful than Jack in a pure biotic strength match, but she'd still win because she's much smarter than Jack and would use her powers much more tactically.

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Wulfram wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

Are you talking about Shepard somhow living on in a weird manner after Control/Synthesis or are you talking about the actual survival after Destroy?


I'm thinking Shepard picks Control and is turned into an AI of, effectively becoming the new Catalyst - which the leaked script seems to imply was Bioware's intent, at least at one point.  Though I'm not wedded to official canon here, just trying to see if it works as a starting point.

One of the things Liara would be doing is trying to help Shepard retain his/her humanity by keeping them interacting on a personal level, rather than being lured into the detached perspective that led the original catalyst to devalue human lives.  As well as using her network to help deal with hostile AI, gradually introduce advanced technologies and preserve peace.

Not sure if Catalyst Shepard would have used their Control to destroy the Reapers, or would have kept them in Dark Space as a reserve.  I tend to favour the "fly the reapers into a star" sort of plan, but having them still lurking might be more interesting from a story point of view.

Ugh, I honestly hate the idea of Shepard living on as the new Catalyst and I doubt she and Liara could have any kind of future 'together' if she did. Mostly because I don't think Shepard could stay 'herself' after the transformation, though how she would change is quite impossible to predict.

First, there's the question of how the transformation itself might affect her mind. It's quite possible the transfer of her consciousness into the Citadel's systems is not perfect, resulting in changes to her personality right from the beginning.

Then there's the question of how differently might her mind work, 'running' on a different platform - the Citadel's computer systems instead of her former human brain. It goes way beyond the scope of this thread, but I believe such a change of the substrate would probably result in a very different nature of thought processes.

And finally, after the transformation, all the sensory input she receives would be completely different and she would lack a physical body. I believe our thought processes are hugely dependant on both the input our senses provide and the fact we can manipulate our bodies to respond to our own thoughts and sensory input. Lacking both abilities, her personality would again probably diverge greatly from her former human self.

And this is all besides the questions of how the power of controlling the Reapers might change her, how the Reapers' minds themselves might affect her, etc. So all things considered, I can't see her staying anything like the person Liara fell in love with.

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Aristobulus500 wrote...

I'd peg Liara as only slightly less powerful than Jack in a pure biotic strength match, but she'd still win because she's much smarter than Jack and would use her powers much more tactically.


I think Jack is clearly more powerful, and I also think she has more experience with using her biotics offensively.

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And this is all besides the questions of how the power of controlling the Reapers might change her, how the Reapers' minds themselves might affect her, etc. So all things considered, I can't see her staying anything like the person Liara fell in love with.

 

Agree.

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frudi wrote...

Ugh, I honestly hate the idea of Shepard living on as the new Catalyst and I doubt she and Liara could have any kind of future 'together' if she did. Mostly because I don't think Shepard could stay 'herself' after the transformation, though how she would change is quite impossible to predict.


Nah, don’t worry, that’s not going to happen!

What actually happens in Control is that Shepster becomes an AI and, figuring it’d be a shame to waste all the bodies laying around, commissions the reapers to finish the human reaper and then uploads himself into it. The newest reaper is called the Shepherd.

FIN.

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The idea of Liara having had some sort of relationship prior to ME1 has been raised in this thread before (to mixed reviews). I wanted to share something jtav was working on with a teenage Miranda and a pre-ME1 Liara: The Education of Miranda Lawson

I personally don't mind the idea of Liara having had some sort of relationship before ME1, even if it hadn't been serious enough to "go all the way", or whatever the asari consider it.

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lillitheris wrote...

Nah, don’t worry, that’s not going to happen!

What actually happens in Control is that Shepster becomes an AI and, figuring it’d be a shame to waste all the bodies laying around, commissions the reapers to finish the human reaper and then uploads himself into it. The newest reaper is called the Shepherd.

FIN.


I bet this is Harbinger's ultimate goal. It just wants some company.

TheMarshal wrote...

The idea of Liara having had some sort of relationship prior to ME1 has been raised in this thread before (to mixed reviews). I wanted to share something jtav was working on with a teenage Miranda and a pre-ME1 Liara: The Education of Miranda Lawson

I personally don't mind the idea of Liara having had some sort of relationship before ME1, even if it hadn't been serious enough to "go all the way", or whatever the asari consider it.

 

Not going to read that, but I have to say it seems rather dumb.

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Wulfram wrote...

Story wise, Liara's Biotics don't really get much hype. Not like Samara and Jack do. So I'd put her a little weaker than them.

Yeah. If the two of them were put in an empty room with nothing to use as tactical advantage and nothing to use for fighting except their biotics; I'd say Jack wins with brute force.

But honestly I don't see them fighting at all. Maybe if there was a situation where they could blame each other for Shepard's death or something quite far-fetched... That was a really weird question by the way, CrimsonN7.

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Control, because the catalyst does not exsist any longer in synthesis.


What? Yes. It does.

And this is how I see synthesis: the Catalyst, whether it is a 'being of light' or an AI or a Reaper trick, came across the notion that synthetics inspire to, and would infact, surpass organics and wipe them out (disproven throughout ME3 and even earlier in the series). It's insane solution, up to this point, is to 'harvest' all advanced organic life and 'preserve' it in Reaper form. With the docking of the Crucible it has found a new insane solution - a 'final solution'. The Crucible, interacting with the Citadel, can accomplish its brute-force Reaper work at the individual level, permantly merging every sentient being into one synthetic/organic creature.

Let's assume the device can do this and let's assume it can do it safely. Do you think people will be happy with this sudden change? I'm sure there will be some organics, maybe even some geth, who think it's great. Some might even wish it went further. Others will resent it and wish they could go back to how they were. Both these factions will come into conflict and if their ideology is adopted at the species level, it will be war. And while all this is going on, we have the pro-synthesis Catalyst and his Reaper fleet watching on. Who do you think they'll support? Do you think they'll be kind in their reproachment? And there is no Shepard or unified galaxy to stop them this time. I can't see Liara supporting this. EDIT: And even if Shepard is controlling the Reapers, there is no body. It was burned up. There is no chance at a relationship. Shepard is to 'give up everything that they were', or whatever. They won't be who they were.

Control; control isn't as black and white. Especially since it's not exactly clear what happens to Shepard. Shepard dies, and the Reapers fly off, but we don't know if that's actually at Shepard's command or the Catalyst's. There is no reason to trust that Shepard would be able to succeed where TIM failed. But let's assume he does, and is now some strange being inhabiting the Citadel (or something) and controlling the Reaper fleet. The Alliance now has control of the Reapers. Do you not think that will give the other races pause? There will be huge resentment at the fact the Reapers haven't been destroyed... and now the Alliance has them!? As Garrus says, 'there will be a lot of angry orphans looking for answers'. I can see whole races, or at least significant chunks of them, deciding to attack the Reapers out of vengeance. The Alliance/Shepard would then have to decide if they let the Reapers be destroyed or defend them. Probably the later for this ending, otherwise what's the point? This will lead to war. Control to me seems to follow from the pro-human renegade options of previous games (killing the Council, saving the Collector Base). I don't think Liara would approve of this. EDIT: Shepard is gone. No relationship. I think Liara would look back fondly on her time with Shepard but not on Shepard's decision.

Destroy: Destroy is what everyone signed up for. Every member of your crew, every squadmante, every soldier serving in Hammer, Sword or Shield fleets. They all signed up for this. Even the geth. Even EDI. If this is the price to be paid, then so be it. It's not like Shepard is choosing the geth. It's not like the Catalyst said, 'you can destroy the Reapers but you must sacrifice a sentient race', and Shepard went 'er, don't like the geth, so how about them?' I think, if Shepard had the choice to ask, every crew member (saving maybe EDI) and every political leader would vote for 'destroy'. I think even EDI, given her final statements about her hatred of the Reapers, might be willing to sacrifice herself for this. There is also the fact that AI can be recreated (the creators of both the geth and EDI are still around). And there is also the possibility the geth were wiped out fighting the quarians, making this even more of a no-brainer (not to mention also eliminating the Catalyst's arguement that synthetics will destroy organics). As for the Catalyst's assertions that the 'peace won't last': he cannot know that. What you've accomplished has never been done before. In fact, you've broken the cycle: you've united the galaxy, both synthetics and organics, under a common cause and a banner of peace. There is no need for his 'solutions'. And hell, if you wanna get meta, the fact that Shepard survives on the highest EMS might also be an indication the geth and EDI survive (since you've built the most refined Crucible possible). So do what Liara said, 'do what must be done'. EDIT: And both Shepard and Liara are alive! 'Marriage, old age and a lot of little blue children!'

Control: Cerberus Solution
Synthesis: Reaper Solution
Destroy: Allied Solution

Just my reading of the choices.

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I can't understand why did they even put Control and Synthesis in the game with no explanation, we basically know nothing of them. The only thing you can choose while knowing what it does is Destroy. If you think it that way there's only one choice.

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Control: Cerberus Solution
Synthesis: Reaper Solution
Destroy: Allied Solution

Just my reading of the choices.

Yeah, pretty much that. Mass Effect 3: There is only ONE choice (42 minutes but safely skippable)

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kyg_20X6 wrote...

And this is how I see synthesis: the Catalyst, whether...
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...Crucible possible). So do what Liara said, 'do what must be done'.

Control: Cerberus Solution
Synthesis: Reaper Solution
Destroy: Allied Solution

Just my reading of the choices.


Agree very much. Thanks for typing all that out, I couldn't bother. Surprisingly close to how I feel. Maybe we should try to get back on topic now though. I don't really have anything to ask however.

Arcataye wrote...

Yeah, pretty much that. Mass Effect 3: There is only ONE choice (42 minutes but safely skippable)

 

I never understood that vid, it starts off saying what 
kyg_20X6 said above, but in the end it turns into IT. Makes no sense.

Top, huh?

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Wulfram wrote...

Story wise, Liara's Biotics don't really get much hype. Not like Samara and Jack do. So I'd put her a little weaker than them.

Yeah. If the two of them were put in an empty room with nothing to use as tactical advantage and nothing to use for fighting except their biotics; I'd say Jack wins with brute force.

But honestly I don't see them fighting at all. Maybe if there was a situation where they could blame each other for Shepard's death or something, quite far-fetched... That was a really weird question by the way, CrimsonN7.

I agree, I think as they currently are, Jack is capable of outputing more brute force than Liara. Not sure about them fighting in an empty room though - Liara can project a stasis field, something no human other than Shepard is ever seen capable of doing :P. I also think Liara still has plenty of untapped potential, she is an asari after all and seems like strong biotics run in her family. If she concentrated on improving her biotics, I think she would eventually comfortably out-power both Jack and adept Shepard.

But as you said, I don't see them fighting either, don't see a reason they would come to that.

Thinking back to a discussion a few hours ago though, Liara and Samara nuking it out seems somewhat more imaginable. I think Samara has the clear advantage, given her age and centuries of Justicar service. I wonder though if Liara would even resist or would she just accept the Justicar's judgement. I suspect ME1 Liara may just accept her fate, but since ME2 forward, I'm thinking she would certainly resist...