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[Tyranniac]

Lizardviking wrote...

And that where we simply disagree. Control benefits whoever Shepard wants it to, which in my case means everyone.

If Shepard remains Shepard, that is. And if there aren't restrictions imposed.

[jtav]

And there's nothing bad about power. It's a neutral force. What matters is what the wielder does with it. TIM wanted domination. Shep can use the Reapers as peacekeepers, transport, etc. It's the choice Liara made in LOTSB on a much larger scale.

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jtav wrote...

And there's nothing bad about power. It's a neutral force. What matters is what the wielder does with it. TIM wanted domination. Shep can use the Reapers as peacekeepers, transport, etc. It's the choice Liara made in LOTSB on a much larger scale.

Thank god I am not the only one who made that observation and noticed the similiarities between Shepard in control and Liara at the end of LOTSB.

[Arcataye]

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

Arcataye wrote...

Sister: "This one is pleased to finally meet you. This one is half hanar."
Liara: "But it doesn't work that way!"
Sister: "Ha, just teasing you. Wanted to see if you'd head-butt me."
Liara: "Not funny!"
Aethyta: "Now careful with the bloodrage, you said it would be nice to meet your sister."
Liara: "I'd say she is less than half hanar and more like you, father."

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I am currently writing a short ME fanfic story inviolving her and even took the liberties to give this half-hanar sister a name.  With your permission, could I use this exchange?

Sure thing! I expanded it a bit, trying to learn some writing so I "practice" with anything that comes up to mind. It looks horrible to me for some reason... Some constructive criticism about the style, word choices, anything?

Liara and Aethyta were sitting at a table on the Presidium Commons. Liara had asked to meet her half-hanar sister, so her father had arranged a meeting. That was the least she could do for Liara, besides giving her an asari commando unit.

"This one is pleased to finally meet you. This one is half hanar.", a beautiful purple asari said as she walked up to them.

"But it doesn't work that way!", Liara blurted out before thinking. She was still a bit annoyed with the discussion earlier with Aethyta. "I'm sorry, it's nice to meet you too.", she quickly corrected, feeling a bit embarrassed.

"Ha, just teasing you. Wanted to see if you'd head-butt me.", the asari laughed back with a big smile.

"Not funny...", Liara growled at her sister. 'Goddess, she is just like father, have they agreed to pick on me?', she thought.

Aethyta was clearly having fun. "Now careful with the bloodrage, you said it would be nice to meet your sister.", she said as she winked at the "half-hanar". They both looked highly amused.

Liara wasn't going to let that bother her. "I'd say she is less than half hanar and more like you, father." Aethyta wasn't prepared for that.

"Father did not mention your name, and don't say you have a soul-name that you can't tell me.", Liara joked with a big grin. She knew how to joke around too, something that she picked up from Shepard.

'This is going to be a great evening.', Liara thought to herself.

Modifié par Arcataye, 26 mai 2012 - 07:27 .

[Tyranniac]

 I just can't accept Control as a viable option. I really hope they don't turn it into Destroy but better in the EC, because as I said earlier that means no Shep & Liara reunion. 

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Tyranniac wrote...

 I just can't accept Control as a viable option. I really hope they don't turn it into Destroy but better in the EC, because as I said earlier that means no Shep & Liara reunion. 

Shepard could always try to contact her somehow when she is on the Citadel, but lord knows how that would turn out. Perhaps Liara becomes disgusted at Shepard and leaves him forever?

[jtav]

Or maybe you just suck it up and choose. What's it going to be> The galaxy or the girl?

[adneate]

Apparently nobody payed attention to the conversation with the Illusive Man where Shepard said we aren't capable of controlling the Reapers and it's a power we shouldn't have. Nope let's scold TIM for wanting then take it when King of the Reapers says "Hey you can control me if you kill yourself dude!". Do as I say not as I do TIM, don't control the Reaper but I'll be right back after I control the reapers.



Derp guess they forgot to read what they wrote 10 minutes before the stupid end "choice" but it's K. Good stories have heroes that do what they said they'd never do it's only logical.

If you beat yourself in the head with a maul hammer . . .

[Tyranniac]

Lizardviking wrote...

Shepard could always try to contact her somehow when she is on the Citadel, but lord knows how that would turn out. Perhaps Liara becomes disgusted at Shepard and leaves him forever?

Even if Control works fine as you say, I'm pretty sure Shepard is destroyed in the process. And if not destroyed, then changed into something completely different. There's no future for them there. Not sure what Liara would actually think of Shepard though. Maybe she would approve, considering what she said earlier when discussing TIMs plan.

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adneate wrote...

Apparently nobody payed attention to the conversation with the Illusive Man where Shepard said we aren't capable of controlling the Reapers and it's a power we shouldn't have. Nope let's scold TIM for wanting then take it when King of the Reapers says "Hey you can control me if you kill yourself dude!". Do as I say not as I do TIM, don't control the Reaper but I'll be right back after I control the reapers.

Your Shepard might have said that, mine did not.

[adneate]

Lizardviking wrote...
Your Shepard might have said that, mine did not.

Still doesn't change the fact that everyone who wants control is indoctrinated, while every who isn't just wants the Reapers destroyed forever. Or that fact that Legion describes what the Geth Consensus experienced when they touched just one Reaper mind. Finding it overwhelming and incomprehensibly complex, beyond anything they could fathom.

But one person can totally dominate them right? That's logical. Much like a magical machine that somehow has enough energy to change every piece of DNA in the galaxy AND can tell the difference between a Geth and a toaster oven even though there is no identifiable difference an wave of energy could figure out.

[Wulfram]

How much of Shepard remains, and how much they can cling on to, is a question that to me makes Control interesting. And it holds out more prospects to me to be something I can accept as something vaguely happy than one in which Shepard commits genocide - even if it's the right thing to do, it's not something I can see my Shepard living with.

As for TIM, he commits atrocities to achieve Control, while Shepard chooses Control to avoid an atrocity. That's an important difference. TIM's indoctrinated, yes, and it's worth noting that the Reapers use that indoctrination to stop him carrying out his plans - in the Renegade choices Shepard challenges him to let the Crucible dock and use it, and he can't.

[Tyranniac]

adneate wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
Your Shepard might have said that, mine did not.

Still doesn't change the fact that everyone who wants control is indoctrinated, while every who isn't just wants the Reapers destroyed forever. Or that fact that Legion describes what the Geth Consensus experienced when they touched just one Reaper mind. Finding it overwhelming and incomprehensibly complex, beyond anything they could fathom.

But one person can totally dominate them right? That's logical. Much like a magical machine that somehow has enough energy to change every piece of DNA in the galaxy AND can tell the difference between a Geth and a toaster oven even though there is no identifiable difference an wave of energy could figure out.

I believe we were discussing the morals and effects of Control, not if it makes sense. I don't mind that they included any of the choices (even if Synthesis is a bit strange, I can still accept it), but I do think that the effects of Synthesis and Control would be horrible.

Anyway, this discussion is very much off-topic I guess. Anyone have any ideas to remedy that? I'm all out. 

Modifié par Tyranniac, 26 mai 2012 - 07:55 .

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Tyranniac wrote...
I believe we were discussing the morals and effects of Control, not if it makes sense. I don't mind that they included any of the choices (even if Synthesis is a bit strange, I can still accept it), but I do think that the effects of Synthesis and Control would be horrible.

Anyway, this discussion is very much off-topic I guess. Anyone have any ideas to remedy that? I'm all out. 

How would Liara react to a keeper giving her flowers (which was ordered by catalyst!Shepard)?

[Tyranniac]

Lizardviking wrote...
How would Liara react to a keeper giving her flowers (which was ordered by catalyst!Shepard)?

Something like...

[Arcataye]

adneate wrote...

That's logical. Much like a magical machine that somehow has enough energy to change every piece of DNA in the galaxy AND can tell the difference between a Geth and a toaster oven even though there is no identifiable difference an wave of energy could figure out.

Yeah, I thought about that the first. Geth are machines. EDI is a machine. It promises to destroy synthetics, but what really is the difference between a geth and some other tech? We can clearly see the difference, but how does a wave of energy know what tech to destroy and what to not destroy? Damn the whole thing is just filled with weirdness.

frudi wrote...

Ok, let's for a moment assume Shepard chose control and somehow retained her mind and humanity...
I think she should not reveal herself to Liara. Better to let her think she's gone, than have her waste her life yearning for Shepard she could never have a future with.

Here's some short fic about Shepard with control and Liara: Half Measure

Modifié par Arcataye, 26 mai 2012 - 08:14 .

[jtav]

This was something I was mulling over with Miranda, but it works just as well for Liara.

Liara is at the end of her life, having accomplished everything she dreamed of as SB, maybe moved on and had kids. She gets lost in a previously unknown section of the Citadel. Shepard reveals herself and offers a chance to join her. A kiss transforms Liara and the Catalyst is no longer alone.

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frudi wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...
Anyway, this discussion is very much off-topic I guess. Anyone have any ideas to remedy that? I'm all out. 

How would Liara react to a keeper giving her flowers (which was ordered by catalyst!Shepard)?

Ok, let's for a moment assume Shepard chose control and somehow retained her mind and humanity...
I think she should not reveal herself to Liara. Better to let her think she's gone, than have her waste her life yearning for Shepard she could never have a future with.

Tyranniac wrote...
Something like...

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My god! I just wanted something lighthearted and thought the idea of a keeper sending Liara flowers would be a fun scenario to imagine. Now you guys actually reminded that it is pretty sad!

Think I'll just make a cup of coffee before I burst into tears and get depressed!

[adneate]

Arcataye wrote...
Damn the whole thing is just filled with weirdness.

To quote the adominable ending of another story telling atrocity.

"It's a kind of magic."

[kumquats]

Tyranniac wrote...

kumquats wrote...

I'm doing a playthrough with every Squadi dead, expect Wrex. Just had the dream sequence with everyone talking. Damn... and so many new Liara dialogues, my savegames will be full in no time. o.O

Oh? Care to share some examples? 

Well there is of course Palavan. I couldn't save Kaidan, Liara shot him. She will talk about that and make a comment if Shepard is a biotic.
I had a different dialgoue after the second nightmare. Something new in Grissom Academy.
I'm off to Rannoch now. Maybe she will say something about Tali.

[Tyranniac]

Lizardviking wrote...


My god! I just wanted something lighthearted and thought the idea of a keeper sending Liara flowers would be a fun scenario to imagine. Now you guys actually reminded that it is pretty sad!

Think I'll just make a cup of coffee before I burst into tears and get depressed!

*hugs*?

Edit: No, hugs for real! See?

 
 
 
 
 

Modifié par Tyranniac, 26 mai 2012 - 08:35 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Tyranniac wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...


My god! I just wanted something lighthearted and thought the idea of a keeper sending Liara flowers would be a fun scenario to imagine. Now you guys actually reminded that it is pretty sad!

Think I'll just make a cup of coffee before I burst into tears and get depressed!

*hugs*?

Perhaps....

[Sees the lack of first page picture]

NO! You're trying to decieve me!