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[jtav]

frudi wrote...

jtav wrote...

This was something I was mulling over with Miranda, but it works just as well for Liara.

Liara is at the end of her life, having accomplished everything she dreamed of as SB, maybe moved on and had kids. She gets lost in a previously unknown section of the Citadel. Shepard reveals herself and offers a chance to join her. A kiss transforms Liara and the Catalyst is no longer alone.

If you think their love is strong enough to survive her living a millenia of her life without Shepard, why not have her join him right away?
Honestly, after a fulfilling (asari) lifetime, I think she'd be over Shepard.


Damn... must look like I'm just trying to make people depressed on purpose

Because that's suicide more or less and I'd rather have my LI live than be with Shep. But a love strong enough to see them together in the afterlife? That's romantic.

[Aristobulus500]

I'm not even going to seriously consider control or especially synthesis, they are garbage thrown in by a hack and they aren't worth discussing and are horribly written. They also completely destroy Shepard as a physical being and don't allow him to have any meaningful relationship with Liara.

Liara "joining" him there is even worse. That's not living. That's Shepard killing Liara to live together in essentially an afterlife.

[CrimsonN7]

Theodoro wrote...

Synthesis is an abomination. What happened to organics and synthetics building their own future? Or free will? What happened to rejecting the Reapers' gifts, knowing what it would lead to? Saren was 'a vision of the future' - a union of flesh and steel. And what did that lead to?

Even if we believe for a second that what the Catalyst is saying is actually true, and that Synthesis is possible and that the Reapers won't turn on organics and impose order, I also find issue with the fact that Synthesis is a form of a surrender; a compromise. Throughout all three games, Shepard has been leading up to the goal of destroying the Reapers - why should he/she change that now?

Agreed,  In Control TIM could never control the Reapers as they already controlled him, also why would the Catalyst willingly hand over the reins to Shep, hey Shep do you mind watching over these guys for awhile, I'm long overdue some vacation time, I think you can handle it, come on<_<

Synthesis, awful fate, mutated lifeforms, free- will not a concern, a universe once teaming with diverse alien lifeforms all now a horrid hybrid of machine and flesh. This is the reapers ultimate goal all along, how can we be sure that this is truly a final solution? <_< 

The only option is Destroy, yes the Geth will die but that would be a small price to pay compared to enslaving all organic life in synthesis. Your one goal is to rid the galaxy of the Reaper threat once and for all, the other two options are just distractions not a solution IMO. Also screw that f*ing starchild A.I whatever's circular logic, future generations would not start the cycle again, my Shep would make sure of that:devil:

Sidenote :In the Destroy ending when Shep takes a breath do you think they will incorporate Eve's little tale into that. Remember her tale of being trapped and she chisled a crystal to dig her way out of that cave and gave it to Shep. Although it was a symbolic tale about hope in dark times could you see a practical use for it or maybe I'm over reaching alittle? When she told me that tale all I could think of was ahem Lord of the Rings much *cough* Galadriel's gift to Frodo *cough*.

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 26 mai 2012 - 08:36 .

[TheMarshal]

CrazyGreggy wrote...

Arcataye wrote...

About Synthesis: I really, really like TheMarshals "Returned". The real, deep effects of the synthesis are still a mystery, but the small hints about sharing feelings and stuff are great! I wonder how it continues.

As do we all.

*hint*

Yeah yeah...  I'm working on it...  I might be able to have the next chapter out by next week.  I'm done with midterms and the rest of my workload is pretty light.

[Tyranniac]

 I hereby declare an offical change of topic. That's right, I'm allowed to do that. Anyone who says something about the ending choices will be responded to with a picture of sad Liara.

I now have a question:

In your opinions, what does Liara think of the following:

Joker
Earth
The Citadel
Legion
Mordin
Kirrahe
The Mako
Miranda
Jewelry

[Aristobulus500]

I get the feeling Liara might like some jewelry but she's not really overly concerned with it. She seems very practical and simple in taste, not gaudy and flashy.

Asari probably do have some cool looking jewelry though. I bet they have some cool adornments for head tentacles back on Thessia.

[jtav]

I always though Miranda and Liara would get on well together. Hell, I wrote the story TheMarshal linked a few pages back. They're both brilliant women who have a bit of an edge to them who will do anything for the people they love. Neither have much patience for orthodoxy and strive to make the galaxy a better place in their own way. They'll always be my favorite ship in ME.

[Aristobulus500]

You mean the woman who, for a lot of her life, was 2nd in command to a terrorist human dominance group? And who clearly thus had no problems with the whole "humanity needs to rule over aliens with an iron fist" thing?

Yeah, I'm sure this alien character would get along fine with her. Miranda is like Ashley in that she's one of those characters that vastly values humans over aliens, and that's going to be a wedge in any relationship they try to have with alien characters.

[TheMarshal]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

You mean the woman who, for a lot of her life, was 2nd in command to a terrorist human dominance group? And who clearly thus had no problems with the whole "humanity needs to rule over aliens with an iron fist" thing?

Yeah, I'm sure this alien character would get along fine with her. Miranda is like Ashley in that she's one of those characters that vastly values humans over aliens, and that's going to be a wedge in any relationship they try to have with alien characters.

Has Miranda ever said that Humanity needed to rule over aliens with an iron fist?  She's always struck me as the type who acknowledges the abilities in others and works to better humanity for its own sake.

[Theodoro]

Joker: While Liara doesn't seem to appreciate his jokes (well, nobody in the crew does), I think she wouldn't have any other helmsman pilot the Normandy and she trusts him since Shepard does. Not sure she'd agree with him leaving the battlefield in the end of ME3, though.

Earth: Liara grieves for humanity's homeworld, as much as she does for Palaven and the rest. She has seen the best humanity has to offer in Shepard himself/herself, so to see it go down in flames would affect her greatly.

The Citadel: Liara admires the capital of the galactic civilization even after she understood that it's not a Prothean ruin as people were led to believe. It's a marvel she's undoubtedly fascinated by and would like to find out more about.

Legion: I think Liara would be wary of any geth since they were the ones to capture her back on Therum, and she wouldn't trust him at all if it wasn't for the fact that Shepard does.

Mordin: While she may not agree with his genophage modification project, she would see that he regrets it. I think she respects the salarian and would most certainly honor his sacrifice.

Kirrahe: She trusts him from way back in ME1 since she has seen his selfless bravery, and would put her faith in him to cover her during a battle.

The Mako: Since Shepard's driving the Mako, Liara most probably hated it and is glad that it's gone in ME3.

Miranda: I think she has a lot of respect for her, especially after her decision to quit Cerberus and help Shepard along the way in ME3. I don't think she'd get along well with the early ME2 Miranda who strives for human and Cerberus dominance.

Jewelry: Now that is interesting since we don't quite see asari wear much jewelry, do we? I honestly don't know how she'd feel about it!

Modifié par Theodoro, 26 mai 2012 - 08:58 .

[jtav]

And she's very open that she admires asari culture and that humanity can learn from them. There will be political differences but she wants humanity to be stronger, not others to be weaker.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Tyranniac wrote...
In your opinions, what does Liara think of the following:
Earth

I always thought that Liara would be curious about Earth and would love a trip there. Perhaps to see some of Earth's cities and experience its culture. Perhaps spend a few days in of Europe's major cities hmm?

The Citadel

I personally believe Liara loves the Citadel. She loves the peace of the presidium. I could easily imagine that Liara and Shepard could live in an apartment on the presidium.

[adneate]

TheMarshal wrote...
Has Miranda ever said that Humanity needed to rule over aliens with an iron fist?  She's always struck me as the type who acknowledges the abilities in others and works to better humanity for its own sake.

Miranda does lament the fact that by her own admission many join Cerberus out of simple xenophobia though she seems to think (or rather deludes) herself into belief that the organization's goals aren't xenophobic and fundamentally race driven. Cerberus has a very Roman mentality, they believe others are just threats to be and once they eliminate a threat there's simply a new one to overcome. Much in the same way Rome's legions were formed to destroy the Etruscans, yet after the destruction of each threat to the Republic they found a new one on their borders.

It would only be a matter of time before Cerberus started attacking the Asari for a preceived threat to humanity's existence.

Modifié par adneate, 26 mai 2012 - 09:09 .

[Arcataye]

I always wonder why people say that Shepard was a bad driver.
Me- my Shepard, was a great driver! Liara wouldn't trust anyone else to drive safer than Shepard.

OT: Where would you stick N7-stickers if you had a ton of them?

Modifié par Arcataye, 26 mai 2012 - 09:19 .

[Tyranniac]

frudi wrote...

The Mako probably reminds her of Shepard's driving skills, so I doubt she's a big fan . Practical for getting around on uncharted planets and remote dig sites though...

 

Hey now, Shepard can drive just fine! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

frudi wrote... 
Miranda - I think she does respect her strength and determination, also probably feels some gratitude for bringing Shepard back. But she would also be concerned about her Cerberus past, it indicates Miranda does have pretty strong pro-human views.

Agree.

Theodoro wrote...

Joker: While Liara doesn't seem to appreciate his jokes (well, nobody in the crew does), I think she wouldn't have any other helmsman pilot the Normandy and she trusts him since Shepard does. 

 

Garrus does!

Theodoro wrote...

Mordin: While she may not agree with his genophage modification project, she would see that he regrets it. I think she respects the salarian and would most certainly honor his sacrifice.

Kirrahe: She trusts him from way back in ME1 since she has seen his selfless bravery, and would put her faith in him to cover her during a battle.

 

Agree.

Theodoro wrote... 
Jewelry: Now that is interesting since we don't quite see asari wear much jewelry, do we? I honestly don't know how she'd feel about it!

It is, isn't it? I'm very curious if they'd wear some kind of head crest ornaments. It could also be that wearing something like that is very uncomfortable. We know they use rings at least!

Lizardviking wrote...

I always thought that Liara would be curious about Earth and would love a trip there. Perhaps to see some of Earth's cities and experience its culture. Perhaps spend a few days in of Europe's major cities hmm? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]
 

  

Yeah, wonder how much of the old european cities remain in Mass Effect (pre-Reaper invasion that is). London clearly seems to have maintained a lot of the old buildings so that is promising for the other cities. I suspect the kind of mega-cities seen in North America in Mass Effect is less common in Europe. Perhaps Germany has them.

Lizardviking wrote... 
I personally believe Liara loves the Citadel. She loves the peace of the presidium. I could easily imagine that Liara and Shepard could live in an apartment on the presidium.

 

I could see that happening. The Presidum seems like a very pleasant place to live (and they could go to the Wards for tons of cultural exploring!)

adneate wrote...

Miranda does lament the fact that by her own admission many join Cerberus out of simple xenophobia though she seems to think (or rather deludes) herself into belief that the organization's goals aren't xenophobic and fundamentally race driven. Cerberus has a very Roman mentality, they believe others are just threats to be and once they eliminate a threat there's simply a new one to overcome. Much in the same way Rome's legions were formed to destroy the Etruscans, yet after the destruction of each threat to the Republic they found a new one on their borders.

It would only be a matter of time before Cerberus started attacking the Asari for a preceived threat to humanity's existence.

 

Agree.

Yes, I'm going to keep pointing out when I agree with people. Sorry if it bothers someone.

[Theodoro]

Tyranniac wrote...

Theodoro wrote...

Joker: While Liara doesn't seem to appreciate his jokes (well, nobody in the crew does), I think she wouldn't have any other helmsman pilot the Normandy and she trusts him since Shepard does. 

 

Garrus does!

Garrus only keeps an eye on his jokes to make sure that he's not falling behind and that his are still better!

[TheMarshal]

adneate wrote...

Miranda does lament the fact that by her own admission many join Cerberus out of simple xenophobia though she seems to think (or rather deludes) herself into belief that the organization's goals aren't xenophobic and fundamentally race driven. Cerberus has a very Roman mentality, they believe others are just threats to be and once they eliminate a threat there's simply a new one to overcome. Much in the same way Rome's legions were formed to destroy the Etruscans, yet after the destruction of each threat to the Republic they found a new one on their borders.

It would only be a matter of time before Cerberus started attacking the Asari for a preceived threat to humanity's existence.

I think Cerberus will accept whatever humans come looking, whether they're xenophobes or those with nobler intentions.  Whatever the goals of their minions, though, I think it's fairly obvious that Cerberus as a group seeks dominion over/destruction of all other groups .  You've drawn a fair parallel with the Roman empire.

[Tyranniac]

Theodoro wrote...

Garrus only keeps an eye on his jokes to make sure that he's not falling behind and that his are still better!

Maybe so. Maybe so.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

[quote]Tyranniac wrote...
[quote]Lizardviking wrote...

I always thought that Liara would be curious about Earth and would love a trip there. Perhaps to see some of Earth's cities and experience its culture. Perhaps spend a few days in of Europe's major cities hmm? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]
 [/quote]  

Yeah, wonder how much of the old european cities remain in Mass Effect (pre-Reaper invasion that is). London clearly seems to have maintained a lot of the old buildings so that is promising for the other cities. I suspect the kind of mega-cities seen in North America in Mass Effect is less common in Europe. Perhaps Germany has them.[/quote]

Which I took Europe. I think cities like London, Paris and Copenhagen would still have alot of the old archictecture remaining. I think a combination of both the old and the new is what Liara would love the most.


[quote]Lizardviking wrote... 
I personally believe Liara loves the Citadel. She loves the peace of the presidium. I could easily imagine that Liara and Shepard could live in an apartment on the presidium.
[/quote] 

I could see that happening. The Presidum seems like a very pleasant place to live (and they could go to the Wards for tons of cultural exploring!)
[/quote]

One reason I like the idea of Liara and Shepard living on the Citadel is because it is neutral ground so to speak. The Citadel is a cultural melting pot compared to Thessia or Earth which are dominated by each their race's culture.

[Tyranniac]

Lizardviking wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

Yeah, wonder how much of the old european cities remain in Mass Effect (pre-Reaper invasion that is). London clearly seems to have maintained a lot of the old buildings so that is promising for the other cities. I suspect the kind of mega-cities seen in North America in Mass Effect is less common in Europe. Perhaps Germany has them.

Which I took Europe. I think cities like London, Paris and Copenhagen would still have alot of the old archictecture remaining. I think a combination of both the old and the new is what Liara would love the most.

I think so too. Seems like the kind of things she would appreciate.

Also: There's interesting old architecture in Copenhagen? 

[Aristobulus500]

Considering Liara is used to parts of the Citadel, Thessia, and Illium, I really think she'd be taken aback by how much of Earth is struck by poverty and downtrodden, and how unequal things are. She probably has an interest in checking Earth out, if just for interest because of its' relation to Shepard as a human, but I think she'd find it pretty unpleasant once she learned more about it.

I mean, she is used to rather more utopian places.

[Wulfram]

Liara seems to be the ME1 squadmate who has the least issues with the Geth - she doesn't have any stuff about not being comfortable having them as allies like Garrus, Kaidan and Ashley all do. So I guess she'd get on fairly well with Legion