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#38501
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Considering Liara is used to parts of the Citadel, Thessia, and Illium, I really think she'd be taken aback by how much of Earth is struck by poverty and downtrodden, and how unequal things are. She probably has an interest in checking Earth out, if just for interest because of its' relation to Shepard as a human, but I think she'd find it pretty unpleasant once she learned more about it.

I mean, she is used to rather more utopian places.


Well, yeah, it does seem like the worst of the Council homeworlds. But I still think she would be interested in the past of the planet. Also the situation on Earth is in the process of improving after being included in the galactic community.

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Tyranniac wrote...

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Yeah, wonder how much of the old european cities remain in Mass Effect (pre-Reaper invasion that is). London clearly seems to have maintained a lot of the old buildings so that is promising for the other cities. I suspect the kind of mega-cities seen in North America in Mass Effect is less common in Europe. Perhaps Germany has them.


Which I took Europe. I think cities like London, Paris and Copenhagen would still have alot of the old archictecture remaining. I think a combination of both the old and the new is what Liara would love the most.


I think so too. Seems like the kind of things she would appreciate.

Also: There's interesting old architecture in Copenhagen? :blink:


Well okay there was a great fire and the British bombardment in 1807 that resulted in most building made before the 17'th century destroyed. So maybe not that old! :pinched:

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Not sure if all the places her archeological career would have taken her would have been all that nice. Though I guess they'd be more likely to be rough frontier places, which wouldn't be much like old urban sqalor on Earth.

Though I wouldn't class Illium as utopian except on a very surface level. And as an information broker she'd certainly see past that level.

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Lizardviking wrote...

Well okay there was a great fire and the British bombardment in 1807 that resulted in most building made before the 17'th century destroyed. So maybe not that old! :pinched:


:lol:

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Aristobulus500 wrote...

Considering Liara is used to parts of the Citadel, Thessia, and Illium, I really think she'd be taken aback by how much of Earth is struck by poverty and downtrodden, and how unequal things are. She probably has an interest in checking Earth out, if just for interest because of its' relation to Shepard as a human, but I think she'd find it pretty unpleasant once she learned more about it.

I mean, she is used to rather more utopian places.


Judging by the comments in the codex it sounds like that while many places are still in poverty, Earth as a whole was improving. With the greatest cities apparently being even inspirational to aliens.

So I do not think she would hate it like that.

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Lizardviking wrote...


Judging by the comments in the codex it sounds like that while many places are still in poverty, Earth as a whole was improving. With the greatest cities apparently being even inspirational to aliens.

So I do not think she would hate it like that.


Once the population has had a chance to distribute itself onto the colonies, leaving Earth less crowded, things would probably improve. The vast increase in resources after becoming a part of the galactic community should help as well, but it is bound to take some time to catch up and for resources to spread. The Reaper invasion probably helped decrease the issues with inequality on Earth at least. Everyone on Earth is going to be in a rather bad position, and help would probably be distributed fairly evenly, meaning the invasion might actually make Earth a more equal and more ideal place in the end, after a long period of recovery obviously.

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I don't think Earth's problem is being overcrowded - Sur'Kesh has about the same population, even if Thessia and Palaven are both relatively small.

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I don't think Earth's problem is being overcrowded - Sur'Kesh has about the same population, even if Thessia and Palaven are both relatively small.


It's part of the problem. Unlike the salarians, humanity has developed their homeworld in a less ideal way, and moving more people off-world could help until the planet been developed enough to be able to sustain the population.

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All this talk about Liara getting on with Legion has me thinking that it would be an interesting idea for a fanfiction to have Liara join Shepard in ME2 instead of chasing after the Shadow Broker. This is not exactly a novel idea, so I would think someone has written something like this. Anyone stumbled on such fics?

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TrulyInnovative wrote...

All this talk about Liara getting on with Legion has me thinking that it would be an interesting idea for a fanfiction to have Liara join Shepard in ME2 instead of chasing after the Shadow Broker. This is not exactly a novel idea, so I would think someone has written something like this. Anyone stumbled on such fics?


The first things that comes to mind is that the Crucible never would have been completed and that Cerberus would've been taken down a lot earlier.

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Tyranniac wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

I don't think Earth's problem is being overcrowded - Sur'Kesh has about the same population, even if Thessia and Palaven are both relatively small.


It's part of the problem. Unlike the salarians, humanity has developed their homeworld in a less ideal way, and moving more people off-world could help until the planet been developed enough to be able to sustain the population.


Didn't the Reaper invasion kind of took care of the problem with the over-population on Earth? Humans were the main target for them and I suppose not only Earth got hit hard but also colonies. There were reports of some human colonies being attacked by reapers and fighting back. So I would think that after the invasion over-population is the least of humanities problems. Getting help to all survivors might be difficult as infrastructure is destroyed, etc.....

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Didn't the Reaper invasion kind of took care of the problem with the over-population on Earth? Humans were the main target for them and I suppose not only Earth got hit hard but also colonies. There were reports of some human colonies being attacked by reapers and fighting back. So I would think that after the invasion over-population is the least of humanities problems. Getting help to all survivors might be difficult as infrastructure is destroyed, etc.....


Yeah, I was talking pre-invasion there. The Reaper invasion did probably take care of both overpopulation and inequality. (Once they have rebuilt, that is. There will lots of poverty and starvation at first for sure.)

Modifié par Tyranniac, 26 mai 2012 - 10:07 .


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TrulyInnovative wrote...

All this talk about Liara getting on with Legion has me thinking that it would be an interesting idea for a fanfiction to have Liara join Shepard in ME2 instead of chasing after the Shadow Broker. This is not exactly a novel idea, so I would think someone has written something like this. Anyone stumbled on such fics?


In my experience it's actually very difficult to find fics that blatantly ignore/rewrite entire parts of the game.  Then again, I'm not terribly adventurous in what I read, and I tend to get turned off very quickly if I come across bad characterizations or improper grammar.

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I don't really think overpopulation is a problem on Earth, it's just plain uneven distribution of resources. It might be an issue in the underdeveloped areas, but people from those are not really likely the ones to be moving off-world anyway. Besides, I doubt colonists can leave Earth at a fast enough rate to really make a significant difference to its population. I mean, if 100.000 people leave Earth daily, that's still only a billion people in three decades.

But all this is kind of irrelevant post-war anyway...

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Tyranniac wrote...

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Some of the lore of the Asari seems to be based on ancient Greece, particularly the way the way that Thessia (and presumably, their colony worlds) are organized into city-states. The three stages of an Asari woman's life also seem to be based on the three stages of an woman's life, as the ancient Greeks saw it. With that in mind if the writers ever expanded upon the marriage customs of the Asari, perhaps their customs should be loosely based on ancient Greece as well?

In ancient Greece brides would be ritually bathed & dressed by their maids, and typically wore brightly colored veils of yellow or red rather than white. There would be a wedding feast & dancing involving both families, after which the bride would be led at night in a procession to the husband's home, accompanied by torch bearers, musicians, minstrels & singers. The bride would carry ivy, which symbolized eternal love. At the home there would be a brief ceremony, where IIRC they were considered married when she crossed the threshold of the door.




I don't really think this would work very well because this is heavily based on gender roles. Good point about customs being inspired by Ancient Greece though.


If ancient Greek wedding customs were used as inspiration for Asari wedding customs, it would only be loosely based on ancient Greek custom and the paternalistic aspects of ancient Greek culture dropped.

This is how I'd envision an Asari wedding:

The Asari to be wed would be clad in the Thessian equivalent of brighltly colored silks of red, gold, or orange, and her fringe adorned with elaborate jewelry studded with diamonds, sapphires, rubies, or emeralds similar to how Indian brides adorn their faces. (the richer the family the more elaborate, with poor families renting) The wedding feast woud take place first, with professional dancers, musicians and minstrels providing the entertainment. After the feast the two families gathered would exchange gifts with each other afterwards in a symbolic 'bartering,' harkening back to the Asari Bronze Age, when the bonding ceremonies between daughters cemented alliances amongst clans, villages, towns, or city-states. The senior matriarch for each family (or a revered mentor, if one of the families was alien) would give speeches, and recite a traditional blessing wishing the couple both happiness and fertility.

With night having fallen, the party would march in a procession to either the local Temple of Athame, a Siari Shrine, or the town forum if the couple preferred a civil ceremony. Torchbearers would march both in front and behind, with the couple being born to their destination in either a litter or chariot. The entire procession would be accompanied by the singers and musicians, with passersby often joining in to shout blessings or wishes for good luck to the passing couple.

Since the Asari believe that inherited genetic traits must advance the species, directly in front of the chariot or litter would march young maidens, dressed in costumes of honored matriarch ancestors of the family (or families, if both are Asari) of millenia past. These costumed & masked maidens would advertise to all the civic, scientific, martial, or cultural achievements of the family, and the traits that family's daughter would bring into a union. They'd also bear items symbolizing the achievements of those honored ancestors. A maiden representing an ancestor reknowed for her skill in battle or tactical ingenuity, might bear a shield emblazed with the heraldry of her city-state, or a ceremonial bow or spear. An ancestor that was a respected poet, might be represented by a richly decorated scroll bearing some surviving work of hers.

Once arrving at the temple, shrine, or forum, the couple would disembark and a short ceremony would be presided over by either an elder priestess of city magistrate. After the priestess or magistate said a few words the couple would face each other and grasp each other's hands, while the senior matriarch(s) or mentor (for aliens) would bind the couple's hands together with ribbon. The couple would then join into a mind meld, reciting to each other an ancient poetic vow they had memorized, emphasizing that they were no longer two persons, or even partners in the human concept of marriage, but now joined into a single soul. As the vows are entirely mental and cannot be heard by the guests, the vows would be recited by the senior matriarch(s) and mentor present, acting as avatars of the couple. While this act of melding would not be sexual in any way, it would serve the same function for the Asari as consummation does for human partners. The act of melding makes the bonding official and legally binding.

EDIT: Ugh...sorry for the wall of text. In the spirit of Asari democracy I propose a motion for my fellow citizens: In the future all walls of text *MUST* be accompanied by a picture of Liara. Image IPB





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Modifié par Han Shot First, 26 mai 2012 - 10:37 .


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TheMarshal wrote...


In my experience it's actually very difficult to find fics that blatantly ignore/rewrite entire parts of the game.  Then again, I'm not terribly adventurous in what I read, and I tend to get turned off very quickly if I come across bad characterizations or improper grammar.


Yeah, it's not necessarily easy to write those kinds of fics since you can't just follow the story of the game. Even one relatively small change could have huge consequences. On the other hand, those kinds of AUs can also be very rewarding because the reader doesn't necessarily know what to expect. In fact, my favorite fanfic of all time is a similar AU: in that one, Luke gets caught by Vader at the end of Empire Strikes Back, which obviously has quite significant consequences.

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For Asari in regards to jewellery I would like to think they only would wear it for their bonding ceremony. I could see the bond bracelets looking something like this but tweaked a little.

http://cdni.condenas...R_b_240x360.jpg

I could picture them sporting a hooded cloak like this on their progression to the ceremony, even the headpiece that this model sports could work too

http://cyclopsphoto....en_lotr_web.jpg

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frudi wrote...

I don't really think overpopulation is a problem on Earth, it's just plain uneven distribution of resources. It might be an issue in the underdeveloped areas, but people from those are not really likely the ones to be moving off-world anyway. Besides, I doubt colonists can leave Earth at a fast enough rate to really make a significant difference to its population. I mean, if 100.000 people leave Earth daily, that's still only a billion people in three decades.

But all this is kind of irrelevant post-war anyway...


Yeah you're probably right. Anyway, the Reaper invasion should still help solve the uneaven distribution of resources since everyone will be in a bad situation. Everyone will need aid, and I think this would help make Earth a more ideal place once the population has rebuilt and recovered.

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OT: Where would you stick N7-stickers if you had a ton of them?


I have a small (decal) on my car. I also have a very small "My other ride is the Normandy" on my back window - you don't know it's there unless you're looking for it. Subtle geekery to make fellow fans smile.

So ... I made a tribute music video ... thing ... out of my trilogy playthroughs. I should probably link it in the fan section instead of here, (it's not Liara specific) but I'm honestly nervous. I'm usually fine with linking my art stuff but this feels different. I thought I'd link it in here first since I feel like I know most of you here. I lurk too much ...

Closer to the Edge

Sorry about the video quality, I had my capture settings a little off. It really only shows up during the ME 1 segments.

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Han Shot First wrote...

If ancient Greek wedding customs were used as inspiration for Asari wedding customs, it would only be loosely based on ancient Greek custom and the paternalistic aspects of ancient Greek culture dropped.

This is how I'd envision an Asari wedding:

The Asari to be wed...


I quite like this.

CrimsonN7 wrote...


I could picture them sporting a hooded cloak like this on their progression to the ceremony, even the headpiece that this model sports could work too

http://cyclopsphoto....en_lotr_web.jpg


Headpiece wouldn't work. Head crests, remember?

The robe and cloak could work though.

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hoodie_gypsy wrote...

So ... I made a tribute music video ... thing ... out of my trilogy playthroughs. I should probably link it in the fan section instead of here, (it's not Liara specific) but I'm honestly nervous. I'm usually fine with linking my art stuff but this feels different. I thought I'd link it in here first since I feel like I know most of you here. I lurk too much ...

Closer to the Edge

Sorry about the video quality, I had my capture settings a little off. It really only shows up during the ME 1 segments.


Great job! I really liked it, fits the music well and includes enough scenes enable actually following Shepard's progress throughout the trilogy. Bonus points for Mordin in the end! :P

Confuzzling though: Scenes from Kaidan ME1 romance and Liara ME3 romance?

Edit:

This is very much off-topic but I FINALLY figured out who Morinth reminds me of: The Borg Queen!

*cough*

Modifié par Tyranniac, 26 mai 2012 - 10:55 .


#38522
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So, 2nd fic is written. It's mainly Liara/Femshep fluff, but centred on Grunt's reaction to Kira getting her own Claymore from the DCS.

Any volunteers to proof-read and critique it before I publish on DA? Launched the first one sight-unseen and found a few grammar/spelling errors on re-reads, so don't trust myself to get this one right with just my own pair of Mk I eyeballs.

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hoodie_gypsy wrote...

So ... I made a tribute music video ... thing ... out of my trilogy playthroughs. I should probably link it in the fan section instead of here, (it's not Liara specific) but I'm honestly nervous. I'm usually fine with linking my art stuff but this feels different. I thought I'd link it in here first since I feel like I know most of you here. I lurk too much ...

Closer to the Edge

Sorry about the video quality, I had my capture settings a little off. It really only shows up during the ME 1 segments.


That was fantastic :wizard:.

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Tyranniac wrote...
Confuzzling though: Scenes from Kaidan ME1 romance and Liara ME3 romance?


Yep, that's what happened. I was a Kaidan fangirl for ME1 and then Liara stole my Shepard during LotSB.

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Screencap I took during the VI encounter on Thessia.

Image IPB

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#38525
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Oo, hoodie got ToP!

/demandcustompicture

/politely