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[Ecrulis]

MidnightRaith wrote...

PMC, are we going to have to bring out the BBBBB? (Is that enough Bs?)

yup that's enough . But honestly is it bad that my first thought after seeing that scene for the first time was "did...did he, did he really tell that five year old about those explicit sex scenes:blink:?"

[adneate]

PMC65 wrote...
I would have liked to hear grandpa tells this part ...

Imagine the most awkward, exploitative erotic fan fic you've ever seen. Now imagine it being spoken aloud by your 70 year old grandfather (who's hard of hearing) after he jimmied the lock on the liqour cabinet and drank all the scotch. He's also forget his meds so he keeps starting the story over and over again and loses his place, also due to aforementioned hearing difficulties he mistakes your constant pleas to stop as pleas to continue in ever more graphic and technical detail.

That only approximates the horror of space grandpa.

[Ecrulis]

adneate wrote...

PMC65 wrote...
I would have liked to hear grandpa tells this part ...

Imagine the most awkward, exploitative erotic fan fic you've ever seen. Now imagine it being spoken aloud by your 70 year old grandfather (who's hard of hearing) after he jimmied the lock on the liqour cabinet and drank all the scotch. He's also forget his meds so he keeps starting the story over and over again and loses his place, also due to aforementioned hearing difficulties he mistakes your constant pleas to stop as pleas to continue in ever more graphic and technical detail.

That only approximates the horror of space grandpa.

does....does anyone have brain bleach?

[MidnightRaith]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Out of all the potential LIs I think Liara is the least  jealous if Shepard romances someone else. She has a couple snarky lines but overall she seems to understand that it had been 2 years and that she brushed him off on their reunion, and that she hadn't been around. She handles it far more maturely and with less insecurity than most people in the real world would.

I wonder if that is an Asari trait, or something unique to Liara.

She really does, and it's just another reason that Liara is my favorite character.

If Liara was going to be jealous or hostile, I think she'd largely be passive-aggressive over it. Especially before ME2. Such as her getting mad at Ashley. I see it taking a bit before she actually tries to confront her over Ash's hostility.

[Ecrulis]

MidnightRaith wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Out of all the potential LIs I think Liara is the least  jealous if Shepard romances someone else. She has a couple snarky lines but overall she seems to understand that it had been 2 years and that she brushed him off on their reunion, and that she hadn't been around. She handles it far more maturely and with less insecurity than most people in the real world would.

I wonder if that is an Asari trait, or something unique to Liara.

She really does, and it's just another reason that Liara is my favorite character.

If Liara was going to be jealous or hostile, I think she'd largely be passive-aggressive over it. Especially before ME2. Such as her getting mad at Ashley. I see it taking a bit before she actually tries to confront her over Ash's hostility.

on a side note I would have loved to see a more aggresive confrontation between ash and shep about him/her being with an alien, I would have found that interesting

[PMC65]

Ecrulis wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...

PMC, are we going to have to bring out the BBBBB? (Is that enough Bs?)

yup that's enough . But honestly is it bad that my first thought after seeing that scene for the first time was "did...did he, did he really tell that five year old about those explicit sex scenes:blink:?"

I must confess that now when I start to think about the ending that is where my mind goes and it cracks me up.

Grandpa: "And then the asri took off her clothes."

Kid: "Where was the Shepard, grandpa?"

Grandpa: "Well ... the Shepard was waiting."

Kid: "Waiting for what, grandpa?"

Grandpa:

[Ecrulis]

jreezy wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Out of all the potential LIs I think Liara is the least  jealous if Shepard romances someone else. She has a couple snarky lines but overall she seems to understand that it had been 2 years and that she brushed him off on their reunion, and that she hadn't been around. She handles it far more maturely and with less insecurity than most people in the real world would.

I wonder if that is an Asari trait, or something unique to Liara.

She really does, and it's just another reason that Liara is my favorite character.

If Liara was going to be jealous or hostile, I think she'd largely be passive-aggressive over it. Especially before ME2. Such as her getting mad at Ashley. I see it taking a bit before she actually tries to confront her over Ash's hostility.

on a side note I would have loved to see a more aggresive confrontation between ash and shep about him/her being with an alien, I would have found that interesting

And add more fuel to the "Ashley is racist/xenophobic" fire? I'm glad BioWare didn't do that.

Eh I think a scene like that is possible without making her seem racist though and honsetly people are gonna hate on her character regardless same as Liara, Id rather bioware do things that they think are interesting rather than feel like they are holding back in case such an such group may use it to irrationally hate a character.

[lillitheris]

PMC65 wrote...

Aria had a maiden daughter so it would not match her being 1000 + ... if you follow that matriarch do not have children. Bioware is not really good at timelines, etc. So I'm holding she is around 700 years which could make her Liara's sister giving Aeytha's supposed age. Of course, Bioware can change all of that shortly.

Aha! But now-matriarch Benezia only had Liara a little over a hundred years ago.

But Liselle was still young; it would be decades - or even maybe centuries - before she passed from the maiden stage of the asari life cycle into the childbearing years of matronhood.

Aha!! Liselle is actually older than Liara. One becomes a matron usually around 350, let’s say 250 expected youngest, so if Liselle is only decades away at the earliest, even on the outside she’d have been at least 150.

Of course we know how Bioware even forgets what they created so its fair game. With an old man telling a kid these stories who knows how accurate they really are.

*looks around*

Who are you people, and where’s my horse?!

[DarkCloudd]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

*snipped text*
*snipped pic of Femshep and Traynor*

That fanfic you are refering to is called Hands Off! by Iliya Moroumetz. It is rather humerous but I'm not sure I could see Liara doing something like that. I honestly like the Asari "marking" thing better. If Liara was really worried about it I could see her ambushing Shepard while she was in the CIC and planting a huge kiss on her lips and saying something to the effect of "Sorry I just missed you and wanted to say I love you!", then running away leaving Shepard in a daze. If that doesn't help Traynor get the hint then I don't know what would. Maybe a link to some archived video footage from Liara's hidden cameras in Shepards cabin?


Edit: PMC that picture almost makes up for more of the CG (creepy grandpa), almost but not quite.

Modifié par DarkCloudd, 29 mai 2012 - 04:00 .

[Aristobulus500]

Ecrulis wrote...

on a side note I would have loved to see a more aggresive confrontation between ash and shep about him/her being with an alien, I would have found that interesting

I was always hoping that you could cause some kind of Ashley/Liara confrontation in ME3. Or that Ashley would say something about Shepard dating an alien, considering being a racist is her strongest character trait.

I wanted her to corner Shep about it and you get a chance to defend yourself and talk up the Liara/Shep relationship.

MidnightRaith wrote...

If Liara was going to be jealous or hostile, I think she'd largely be passive-aggressive over it. Especially before ME2. Such as her getting mad at Ashley. I see it taking a bit before she actually tries to confront her over Ash's hostility.

Why would you say that? Liara has always been pretty mature, and direct about her feelings. Even back in ME1, she directly asked Shepard how he felt about her, and she was pretty calm about things if Shepard is sending her and Ashley mixed signals and seems to like both of them.

[MegaBadExample]

Ecrulis wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Out of all the potential LIs I think Liara is the least  jealous if Shepard romances someone else. She has a couple snarky lines but overall she seems to understand that it had been 2 years and that she brushed him off on their reunion, and that she hadn't been around. She handles it far more maturely and with less insecurity than most people in the real world would.

I wonder if that is an Asari trait, or something unique to Liara.

She really does, and it's just another reason that Liara is my favorite character.

If Liara was going to be jealous or hostile, I think she'd largely be passive-aggressive over it. Especially before ME2. Such as her getting mad at Ashley. I see it taking a bit before she actually tries to confront her over Ash's hostility.

on a side note I would have loved to see a more aggresive confrontation between ash and shep about him/her being with an alien, I would have found that interesting

It really isn't any of Ash's business who Shepard's banging, and she knows it. Fair enough, if you're playing with her feelings and someone else's at the same time... then... *cough*

[PMC65]

jreezy - unfortunately you are right. Maybe that's why they also had Ash "happy" that Shepard dumped her for Tali. What? I'm sorry, but I would have thought that Shepard leaving Ash or Kaidan over old teammembers would have felt like a double betrayel but Bioware probably figured that they had abused the VS enough.

Heck, you can even kill the VS for protecting the council ... one of the dumbest moments in ME3. What's worse is you kill them because the enemy is at the door ... so BAM! you kill VS and the door opens and ... oh, crap. Hi C-Sec buddy. He, he, we thought you was the cereal eater. Silly us.

[lillitheris]

MidnightRaith wrote...

Sigh... I knew I should have put in a /sarcasm tag. That was a joke guys.  I know that Liara and Aria are never going to be friends.

I beg to differ!

[Ecrulis]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Out of all the potential LIs I think Liara is the least  jealous if Shepard romances someone else. She has a couple snarky lines but overall she seems to understand that it had been 2 years and that she brushed him off on their reunion, and that she hadn't been around. She handles it far more maturely and with less insecurity than most people in the real world would.

I wonder if that is an Asari trait, or something unique to Liara.

She really does, and it's just another reason that Liara is my favorite character.

If Liara was going to be jealous or hostile, I think she'd largely be passive-aggressive over it. Especially before ME2. Such as her getting mad at Ashley. I see it taking a bit before she actually tries to confront her over Ash's hostility.

on a side note I would have loved to see a more aggresive confrontation between ash and shep about him/her being with an alien, I would have found that interesting

It really isn't any of Ash's business who Shepard's banging, and she knows it. Fair enough, if you're playing with her feelings and someone else's at the same time... then... *cough*

Yes, but her being vocal about her views is part of Ash's character, I dunno I think it could have been an intersting scene.

[Ecrulis]

PMC65 wrote...

*snip*

so BAM! you kill VS and the door opens and ... oh, crap. Hi C-Sec buddy. He, he, we thought you was the cereal eater. Silly us.

oh man, this had me laughing so hard, I honestly cannot take Leng seriously I laugh uncontrollably everytime hes on screen .

Modifié par Ecrulis, 29 mai 2012 - 04:11 .

[PMC65]

lillitheris - Aria never shows her ID and so its up to you. I place her at 700 in my headcanon and you can place her at 1000 ... no skin off my nose.  

But I also place Benezia around that age instead of the 1000 mark because of Liara ... Aeytha I leave there at the 1000 marker because of her parents time frame.

[MidnightRaith]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...

If Liara was going to be jealous or hostile, I think she'd largely be passive-aggressive over it. Especially before ME2. Such as her getting mad at Ashley. I see it taking a bit before she actually tries to confront her over Ash's hostility.

Why would you say that? Liara has always been pretty mature, and direct about her feelings. Even back in ME1, she directly asked Shepard how he felt about her, and she was pretty calm about things if Shepard is sending her and Ashley mixed signals and seems to like both of them.

That was the second conversation though and I think most of us agree that ME1 takes place over the span of months. For someone as shy as Liara who is also someone that has been implied to not have had any significant romantic relationships before Shepard, that conversation likely took a lot of guts to pull off. After she does take the plunge and admit her feelings to Shepard, I'd say that it would have been even easier for her to join either Kaidan or Ashley to confront Shepard.

I think her time on the Normandy did a lot of good for her, but I don't think she started out as direct as she becomes. I didn't get the vibe that she liked Ashley in that scene, but rather that she was a bit neutral towards her overall. Which would fit the events in game more than if she actually liked Ashley considering Ashley is prone to getting hostile towards Liara. Such as calling her "Miss Prothean Expert." I have to wonder if Liara hasn't at least considered mentally of referring to Ashley as "Miss Williams" in place of her rank. I mean, Liara can certainly act mature. So can I. However, I sometimes like to entertain the thought of dishing what I'm served at times.

[Aristobulus500]

I don't disagree with much of what you said - that is, I do think the game takes place over a larger period of time than what we're shown, so that was very likely not at all the 2nd conversation Liara and Shep had had, just the 2nd one the player saw; I also agree that Liara did not like Ashley, there's no reason to think she did.

But Ashley was the one being all mean and hostile and angry, Liara was pretty calm and collected about everything.

I don't see how anything you said points towards that Liara would be passive aggressive, especially since that's actually pretty immature thing to do.

[Han Shot First]

Question for those who have read the comics: Is it ever explained how exactly Liara ended up an information broker? Not the motivation behind it, as that was explained in ME2 and LotSB. But rather the how. To my knowledge it was never explained in game how Liara transitioned from archaeologist to information broker, or how she formed the nuts & bolts of a private spy network.

The sudden shift in roles between ME1 and ME2 is one of the more criticized elements of her character, so I was wondering if it was ever explained in the comics.

Personally I love her transition into a slightly more ruthless information broker, I just wish that transition got some dialogue devoted to explaining it.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 29 mai 2012 - 04:21 .

[PMC65]

Liara had her missteps with Ashley ... first things that comes to mind was when Ashley told Liara that she hoped she looked as good as Liara at her age ... Liara cuts her off with the "short lived species" response. Was she meaning to talk down to Ash? Hmm, I wonder.

There was also an exchange in ME3 while on a mission where Liara jabbed at Ashley that was funny and caught me off-guard. Wish I could remember what was said. Liara can be cutting but it is not as in your face as Ashley.

No one is perfect or they would be so fracking b-o-r-i-n-g!

EDIT:

Han Shot First ... Other than she was trying to get closer to the Shadow Broker, not really ... Or at least not that I remember.

Of course they really didn't play it off well enough for me ... but that complaint also goes for the VS on Horizon. The VS and Liara were just put in positions to push away Shepard.

*glares at Bioware*

Modifié par PMC65, 29 mai 2012 - 04:29 .

[MegaBadExample]

Ecrulis wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Out of all the potential LIs I think Liara is the least  jealous if Shepard romances someone else. She has a couple snarky lines but overall she seems to understand that it had been 2 years and that she brushed him off on their reunion, and that she hadn't been around. She handles it far more maturely and with less insecurity than most people in the real world would.

I wonder if that is an Asari trait, or something unique to Liara.

She really does, and it's just another reason that Liara is my favorite character.

If Liara was going to be jealous or hostile, I think she'd largely be passive-aggressive over it. Especially before ME2. Such as her getting mad at Ashley. I see it taking a bit before she actually tries to confront her over Ash's hostility.

on a side note I would have loved to see a more aggresive confrontation between ash and shep about him/her being with an alien, I would have found that interesting

It really isn't any of Ash's business who Shepard's banging, and she knows it. Fair enough, if you're playing with her feelings and someone else's at the same time... then... *cough*

Yes, but her being vocal about her views is part of Ash's character, I dunno I think it could have been an intersting scene.

Yeah, well... they shut her up real good in ME3, didn't they? The only memorable dialogue she had on the ship was when she talking about what Liara was going through, and how her and Shepard could relate to that pain, then offered to go talk to her. That's it. Well, that's all I remember, sadly.

[PMC65]

MegaBadExample - There wasn't enough Ash once she was back on the Normandy. She felt like Zaeed or Kasumi onboard. Shame really. It would have been nice to see her and Liara in Kasuma's old room hanging out and chatting.

EDIT: Top yet again.

Modifié par PMC65, 29 mai 2012 - 04:35 .

[MidnightRaith]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I don't disagree with much of what you said - that is, I do think the game takes place over a larger period of time than what we're shown, so that was very likely not at all the 2nd conversation Liara and Shep had had, just the 2nd one the player saw; I also agree that Liara did not like Ashley, there's no reason to think she did.

But Ashley was the one being all mean and hostile and angry, Liara was pretty calm and collected about everything.

I don't see how anything you said points towards that Liara would be passive aggressive, especially since that's actually pretty immature thing to do.

I think she'd be passive aggressive at first. Before she has the time to develop significant social skills. Coming from someone that actually had the problem of somebody acting pretty hostile towards me, it takes some time to be able to stick up for yourself. Liara starts out pretty shy and unsure of herself in social situations. Even the place she hangs out in lends itself to her less than social nature. If she chose to defend herself towards Ashley, I don't think it started out as obvious.

I'm not saying that she hid Ash's belongings or spread rumors about her or any of the nastier bits of being passive aggressive, but I do think she may have made the occasional "innocent" comment towards her. The Liara that stumbles over an innuendo doesn't mesh well with the Liara that confronts Shepard with Ashley if you make the assumption that she was always direct and upfront because she wasn't. I believe significant character development took place for Liara behind the scenes there.