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[Theodoro]

PMC65 wrote...

Think of the First Contact War as WWII ... I am sure that during and after that war the Germans were hated. It wasn't about being superior or inferior but about their government trying to dominate the world. Ashley, and I would think many humans, would not trust aliens after how we first met them. *glares at the turians*

To Ash, aliens are the Germans after WWII ... not to be trusted. Take from that what you will.

Except that Ash brings her hatred for aliens to a new level - she doesn't only mistrust turians, but also everyone who isn't human, vocally showing that she thinks of them as animals, and comments like, 'Well, at least she looks like a woman.'

As Aristobulus said, Ashley is a well-written character and having these traits makes sense - but I don't get why people would try to disprove what is a fact. If she had changed her mind about them in ME3, she doesn't show it, unlike Pressley, who we now know had changed his views, and since there is actual proof of that.

[Generic Screen Name]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

She says that as justification for her belief that humans should not have aliens as allies. That aliens can be racist in return doesn't make that any less of a racist stance on her part.

She never says we shouldn't have them as allies she says "we just shouldn't count on them always being allies". And she never says that them abandoning us is racist, nor that it's necessarily a bad thing, she actually says it's "human nature", implying that we would do the same in a heartbeat. It's instinctual. You protect your own. It's certainly a more pessimistic view than most seem comfortable with, but is it really racism? Or realism?
But, of course this is the Liara thread so I'll stop being OT, and take my leave.

[MidnightRaith]

TrulyInnovative wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...

I also think that the asari are very protective of their young and won't typically let them in contact with other species or if they live in asari space, not let them out of it. This would allow the children to mature at the rate the asari are accustomed to and not have much influence from shorter lived species.

I'm curious how that would work, though, considering the pureblood stigma. If the asari only grow up near other asari, don't they get attracted to or develop crushes on other asari? How would they later in their life learn to find other species attractive? To be honest, I've never really totally bought into the pureblood stigma, as something about it just seems so ... unlikely. Do most asari living in Thessia travel out of the system to find a mate at some point in their life?

PMC has a very interesting idea on how that works in A Thessian's Whisper. Essentially, the asari are carnally attracted to each other and do form couples. However, their culture still tells them that having children with said couples is wrong and they use surrogates. I agree with this, really.

[Makrys]

 This thread has had too much Ashley hate, and arguing of late. 

Needs more Liara. 



*speechless* 

Modifié par Makrys, 29 mai 2012 - 07:30 .

[MidnightRaith]

PMC65 wrote...

My heart broke for Samara and I really felt that she had died inside ... you really see it in ME3 when her daughter hugs her and she appears so cold ... not hugging her back. You know that she was once such a doting mother and now this removed mother. Way too sad.

Ugh,  the thought is so damn depressing and I agree that she probably was broken by all of her children turning out to be AYs. Hopefully, her "supervision" of Falare will reverse a bit of that, but I don't think she will ever truly recover.

[Aristobulus500]

TrulyInnovative wrote...
I'm curious how that would work, though, considering the pureblood stigma. If the asari only grow up near other asari, don't they get attracted to or develop crushes on other asari? How would they later in their life learn to find other species attractive? To be honest, I've never really totally bought into the pureblood stigma, as something about it just seems so ... unlikely. Do most asari living in Thessia travel out of the system to find a mate at some point in their life?

The pureblood stigma really doesn't make any sense - the only way to think about it is it's something relatively new to the Asari - as you say, there's no way they could've had a stigma about Asari/Asari pairings before they met alien species.

What I think about the pureblood stigma is that it only really started to develop once they did meet other species, and discovered they could mate with them - then probably some Asari started the theory that you "gain" something by doing that, and over time it developed into the belief that Asari/Asari pairings are stagnating.

Asari on Thessia who buy into it probably do either leave Thessia, or head to a part of Thessia that has a higher ratio of other races to Asari.

But I think it's clear that not every Asari buys into that. Liara isn't the only pureblood you hear of, and you do see some Asari/Asari couples. So it does happen, even with the stigma, and they still manage to live just fine, so it can't be something absolutely every Asari takes as fact.

[PMC65]

TrulyInnovative wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...

I also think that the asari are very protective of their young and won't typically let them in contact with other species or if they live in asari space, not let them out of it. This would allow the children to mature at the rate the asari are accustomed to and not have much influence from shorter lived species.

I'm curious how that would work, though, considering the pureblood stigma. If the asari only grow up near other asari, don't they get attracted to or develop crushes on other asari? How would they later in their life learn to find other species attractive? To be honest, I've never really totally bought into the pureblood stigma, as something about it just seems so ... unlikely. Do most asari living in Thessia travel out of the system to find a mate at some point in their life?

There is nothing wrong with an asari loving an asari ... Just procreating is frowned upon.

Liara says that sometimes the union is just once and then they go their separate ways. That is probably when an asari couple uses a donor. But I would bet in asari space purebloods happens more times then not ... especially with the lower class who cannot afford to travel off-world. Think the whole "only 3 A-Y" myth, we do not really see the asari world and thinking that asari with asari is taboo would be weird.

I would think there are more asari couples then asari mixed with others.

[MidnightRaith]

PMC65 wrote...

There is nothing wrong with an asari loving an asari ... Just procreating is frowned upon.

Liara says that sometimes the union is just once and then they go their separate ways. That is probably when an asari couple uses a donor. But I would bet in asari space purebloods happens more times then not ... especially with the lower class who cannot afford to travel off-world. Think the whole "only 3 A-Y" myth, we do not really see the asari world and thinking that asari with asari is taboo would be weird.

I would think there are more asari couples then asari mixed with others.

Almost like a conspiracy? Really, it would have been more logical for someone to mention in game, like the Codex or Liara that it is more frowned upon among certain standings. Such as the middle and upper-class. They would be the only ones that could afford to set up donors and it would be highly unlikely if the asari discouraged the lower-class from mating at all.

[TrulyInnovative]

Yeah, those are not bad explanations and I can sort of see how it could work if the pureblood stigma only applies to procreating, not having a relationship. Still, I would expect quite a lot of asari to ignore this social convention and perhaps even lie about the father of their child. It just seems that from a biological perspective, having children with someone of your own race is the most natural thing in the world, and it's unclear how large of an effect any kind of social rule would have on this. I don't know if something like religion preaching abstinence versus normal human sexual urges would be an appropriate comparison.

[Yuqi]

Is everyone done with the hating? Is it safe to come back to this thread?

[MidnightRaith]

Well, I need to go to bed, so I'm done posting at least.

[Han Shot First]

TrulyInnovative wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...

I also think that the asari are very protective of their young and won't typically let them in contact with other species or if they live in asari space, not let them out of it. This would allow the children to mature at the rate the asari are accustomed to and not have much influence from shorter lived species.

I'm curious how that would work, though, considering the pureblood stigma. If the asari only grow up near other asari, don't they get attracted to or develop crushes on other asari? How would they later in their life learn to find other species attractive? To be honest, I've never really totally bought into the pureblood stigma, as something about it just seems so ... unlikely. Do most asari living in Thessia travel out of the system to find a mate at some point in their life?

IIRC when Liara first mentions the pureblood stigma she says that relationships between Asari are no longer common, but then clarifies that by saying 'for the purposes of reproduction.'

I take that to mean that Asari date other Asari quite frequently, just that those relationships tend to be temporary rather than lasting ones that produce children.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 29 mai 2012 - 07:48 .

[PMC65]

Theodoro wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Think of the First Contact War as WWII ... I am sure that during and after that war the Germans were hated. It wasn't about being superior or inferior but about their government trying to dominate the world. Ashley, and I would think many humans, would not trust aliens after how we first met them. *glares at the turians*

To Ash, aliens are the Germans after WWII ... not to be trusted. Take from that what you will.

Except that Ash brings her hatred for aliens to a new level - she doesn't only mistrust turians, but also everyone who isn't human, vocally showing that she thinks of them as animals, and comments like, 'Well, at least she looks like a woman.'

As Aristobulus said, Ashley is a well-written character and having these traits makes sense - but I don't get why people would try to disprove what is a fact. If she had changed her mind about them in ME3, she doesn't show it, unlike Pressley, who we now know had changed his views, and since there is actual proof of that.

Looking at ME3 alone it is Ash that puts her life at risk to protect an asari ... it is Ash that goes to comfort Liara after her homeworld is destroyed ... it is Ash that supports Shepard in his relationship with a quarian.

The hanar, keepers, elcor ... they look like animals to me so I can't say she was wrong. I'd have tried throwing that jellyfish in the water. On the Citadel I'd have been more confused then her to be honest so I never blinked at when she said that ... nope. I laughed because I would have felt the same.

But as I've said ... we all bring our own luggage and if you prefer to put her in a "racist" box go right ahead. It is your choice ... I see Ash as someone who does not trust our new neighbors but at the end she is putting her life at risk for them. Not only for Liara but also the Council ... turian, asari and human. She is there when it counts and I would have loved to have been there when they spoke after Thessia.

[Aristobulus500]

TrulyInnovative wrote...

Yeah, those are not bad explanations and I can sort of see how it could work if the pureblood stigma only applies to procreating, not having a relationship. Still, I would expect quite a lot of asari to ignore this social convention and perhaps even lie about the father of their child. It just seems that from a biological perspective, having children with someone of your own race is the most natural thing in the world, and it's unclear how large of an effect any kind of social rule would have on this. I don't know if something like religion preaching abstinence versus normal human sexual urges would be an appropriate comparison.

I really do think the pureblood stigma is just something some Asari buy into, and some don't. I do think it makes sense that the wealthier a family an Asari comes from, the more likely she is to buy into it, though.

And of course, the area the Asari grows up in, too. An Asari growing up on the Citadel where there's tons of other races around is probably a lot more likely to buy into it than an Asari growing up on a part of Thessia where there's really only Asari around, especially if it's not easy for them to get off the planet or meet non Asari.

I will say this though - there's probably a lot less "poor" Asari that can't get off Thessia, than there are "poor" humans that can't get off Earth.

[PMC65]

MidnightRaith wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

There is nothing wrong with an asari loving an asari ... Just procreating is frowned upon.

Liara says that sometimes the union is just once and then they go their separate ways. That is probably when an asari couple uses a donor. But I would bet in asari space purebloods happens more times then not ... especially with the lower class who cannot afford to travel off-world. Think the whole "only 3 A-Y" myth, we do not really see the asari world and thinking that asari with asari is taboo would be weird.

I would think there are more asari couples then asari mixed with others.

Almost like a conspiracy? Really, it would have been more logical for someone to mention in game, like the Codex or Liara that it is more frowned upon among certain standings. Such as the middle and upper-class. They would be the only ones that could afford to set up donors and it would be highly unlikely if the asari discouraged the lower-class from mating at all.

Exactly ... purebloods would be more common in asari space with only the more influental getting donors. Those that lived on mixed worlds would be more pushed to breed outside of their race because they have the ability at hand. I'm sure that Illium asari and Thessian asari are quite different from each other. Too bad this wasn't explored more in-game or at least discussed in the Codex.

[TheDonk95]

Oh god I love this thread

[Yuqi]

by sakuna

[Vinado]

Quick question, completely related to liara in every way. Is sideboob considered 'safe' or do I have to thumbnail?

[Vinado]

Technically NSFW , though nothing you don't see on billboards everyday or 12 rated games that spark controversy all over fox news...

http://i.imgur.com/2O2xH.jpg


Got bored of modelling in mudbox all day so just mucked around in max for a bit with the ME characters funfun. It's essentially meant to be a more sensual mind meld scene, thus the lusty purple glow..

Also, hi, been lurking on this thread for ages as I never had a registered account for ME3... Origin account kerfuffle. Just got back into ME after a month or two off to get over the ending , playing through from the start to get ready for the EC .

Modifié par Vinado, 29 mai 2012 - 10:09 .

[Akernis]

Glad to see hostilities cease just as I am getting up.

Vinado wrote...

Technically NSFW , though nothing you don't see on billboards everyday or 12 rated games that spark controversy all over fox news...

http://i.imgur.com/2O2xH.jpg


Got bored of modelling in mudbox all day so just mucked around in max for a bit with the ME characters funfun. It's essentially meant to be a more sensual mind meld scene, thus the lusty purple glow..

Also, hi, been lurking on this thread for ages as I never had a registered account for ME3... Origin account kerfuffle. Just got back into ME after a month or two off to get over the ending , playing through from the start to get ready for the EC .

I would say that it is fine, some of the things that pinapple and neeh creates are about the same level of "explicitness" and they are heatedly welcome (they have created things that definately are NSFW they are enjoyed anyway, though not directly in the thread) but I am not an expert on the forum's rules so one of the others can likely give you a more assured answer.

Also welcome

Modifié par Akernis, 29 mai 2012 - 10:29 .

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Vinado wrote...

Technically NSFW , though nothing you don't see on billboards everyday or 12 rated games that spark controversy all over fox news...

http://i.imgur.com/2O2xH.jpg


Got bored of modelling in mudbox all day so just mucked around in max for a bit with the ME characters funfun. It's essentially meant to be a more sensual mind meld scene, thus the lusty purple glow..

Also, hi, been lurking on this thread for ages as I never had a registered account for ME3... Origin account kerfuffle. Just got back into ME after a month or two off to get over the ending , playing through from the start to get ready for the EC .

Hi. Looks fine and classy.  You had me confused for a moment about the question on sideboob. I was going  .  

[Tyranniac]

adneate wrote...

Officers in an all volunteer army come from pretty diverse backgrounds you've got those who came from a military academy, those who wrote direct entry tests after university and those who went to a university as part of an ROTC program and have to serve so many years in return. You've got good officers and bad ones, agressive ones and very defensive ones.

Paragon Shep reminds me of those very upstanding defensively minded officers, they don't take big risks with their troops and prefer to probe looking for the easy way through an enemy position. Basically just very moral, upstanding and somewhat insufferable to be around.

It's a good thing you're around to provide some military insight. Also, I agree.

Han Shot First wrote...

Buzz Aldrin cameo = awesome

Character crafted for said cameo = not awesome

 

Yes.

PMC65 wrote...
Heck, you can even kill the VS for protecting the council ... one of the dumbest moments in ME3. What's worse is you kill them because the enemy is at the door ... so BAM! you kill VS and the door opens and ... oh, crap. Hi C-Sec buddy. He, he, we thought you was the cereal eater. Silly us.

 

What's wrong with that scene? I liked it (not that I killed the VS on my main playthrough, but it's a nice opportunity for variety)

jreezy wrote...

Off topic: Wow I just noticed Liara is smoking in that avatar pic of yours. That looks pretty sweet.

 

Vinado wrote...

Technically NSFW , though nothing you don't see on billboards everyday or 12 rated games that spark controversy all over fox news...

http://i.imgur.com/2O2xH.jpg


Got bored of modelling in mudbox all day so just mucked around in max for a bit with the ME characters funfun. It's essentially meant to be a more sensual mind meld scene, thus the lusty purple glow..

Also, hi, been lurking on this thread for ages as I never had a registered account for ME3... Origin account kerfuffle. Just got back into ME after a month or two off to get over the ending , playing through from the start to get ready for the EC .

 

Pretty good job, but her skin is so gray!

[lillitheris]

Theodoro wrote...

Just a quick question: Do we know whether asari carry their babies the same length humans do before giving birth or is it longer (since they have longer life-spans)? I don't think we've seen evidence to the fact that they do, but it's still something I might have missed somewhere in the Codex entries.

www.fanfiction.net/s/8077623/1/Introduction_to_Asari_for_Humans: 95 + 4 weeks.

Not confirmed in game, so I extrapolate and elaborate.

Modifié par lillitheris, 29 mai 2012 - 01:08 .

[CrimsonN7]

Regarding Shepard's personal background's ignoring Spacer, as Shepard still has his/her mom is anyone else a little bummed that an Earthborn Shep or a Mindoir Shep who has a kid with Liara can't introduce that kid to her human family? For my canon Mindoir Shep her family was her life and when she lost them her world fell apart. I would have loved to have dropped my lil one round to see Grandpa and Grandma Shep, and I know they would have loved her unconditional.

I guess an Earthborn or Mindoir Shep his/her family is now his/her crew and I love that and I know they'd love to be considered like family to Shep but for my kid I would have desperately loved for her to meet her 'blood relations'. To introduce her to my Shep's roots and show her what human family life is like. My Shepard will not ignore her daughters human blood and will teach her about human history and customs but it would have been so much better to integrate Shep's little one into her human family. Anyone else feel the same?



I like this pic:wub:

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 29 mai 2012 - 01:24 .