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[coatsworth]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Javik righting wrongs across the empire and looking pretty in pink while he does it:D

http://t0.gstatic.co...t7qEEgRIGzbU9tg

[Sarcastic Tasha]

"They used to eat flies." After hearing that remark I knew I was going to like Javik.

The thing I really liked about Javik though was that he wasn't at all what I was expecting. I thought the idea of a prothean squaddie was lame (I still think its a bit unbelievable but I'm already going along with faster than light speed travel so I can get over it) but he ended up being pretty interesting. I really didn't expect the protheans to be ruthless conquerors and obviously neither did Liara. I loved how she called her old papers on the protheans "childish" bless her little cotton socks.

[Theodoro]

Actually, I think that Javik was one of the things BioWare got right in Mass Effect 3. Once I heard that there was going to be a Prothean squad mate, I cringed as well, since the mere thought that a Prothean could be a part of the squad was silly and I was afraid that they'd ruin the mystery and awe of the species by including Javik.

However, I was pleasantly surprised - Javik was a very intriguing character, a believable Prothean, and the realization that they were actually much more authoritarian in nature makes sense - as you know, throughout ME1 and ME2 all we hear about the past cycle are the Protheans - not a single other race. It'd have been somewhat odd for them to be the only species of their time, so it made sense that they imposed order on the rest of the galaxy. What we learned about them from Javik and the his tales is perfectly plausible. If anything, they made them even more intriguing.

Through them we're given a very different perspective as to how galactic cycles may differ from one another - some, such as ours, rely on the cooperation between species, while in others a certain race may rule above the rest. And knowing the Protheans' fate was one of the lessons that we learn and use to our advantage by uniting the galaxy - a much different and more successful approach. Javik saying that he envied the current cycle shows that he has learned the error of his ways and is integral for his character development.

[CrazyGreggy]

moreeman06 wrote...
Also CrazyGreggy I left a comment on "First Secret"  but I might as well tell you here that I loved it:D

Nice to hear! Did you check Impressions and Impressionability yet or catching up with Lili and PMC? Really enjoying Lili's, especially anything with Hannah and Aethyta

[PMC65]

VarrenSoldier wrote...

So, guys, I'm back after being absent over here for sometime.
And as it seems, you guys were doing a wonderful job of keeping this a nice place by bashing on other characters.-/sarcasm
So, yeah. I'm back.

Hi Varren!

Welcome back ... oh, and just Ignore the bashing.


 

[kyg_20X6]

I'm going to post this again. 1) because it might have been lost in the thread, 2) because there's been too much Javik and not enough Liara, 3) because it's awesome!

[TrulyInnovative]

Yeah, that's a brilliant animation. Even if Shep cops a feel before touching Liara's cheek...

[kyg_20X6]

I love the synchronized smiles.

[Theodoro]

I'd love for something like that to be on the EC.

[Dragon_Claw]

[Aristobulus500]

I don't even know what to make of this. Are they actually planing another ME game already, before the ending DLC even comes out and they see how it's received?

[Theodoro]

Hopefully it's only a writer for future DLC, not ME4. Though the inconsistency of lead writers can only harm Mass Effect - ME3 being a perfect example of that. Drew was the glue that held the series all together.

However, a new lead writer may be a step up from the guy(s) who wrote the ME3 ending.

[lillitheris]

There’s a thread up in Story/Campaign about the tweet, although apparently the Mass Effect reference got scrubbed since.

[kyg_20X6]

Also, apparently Jennifer Hale's tweeted she's working on something (but couldn't say what it was). Although it seemed like it was in reply to compliments about her ME3 work.

[TheDonk95]

[quote]VarrenSoldier wrote...

So, guys, I'm back after being absent over here for sometime.
And as it seems, you guys were doing a wonderful job of keeping this a nice place by bashing on other characters.-/sarcasm
So, yeah. I'm back.[/quote]

Hi Varren!

Welcome back ... oh, and just Ignore the bashing.


 
[/quote]

Oh god that was awsome!

[Akernis]

moreeman06 wrote...

 Also I'm going to give up trying to read the next 30 pages can someone just give me a recap

You have not missed much, there was some of the usual off-topics: endings, FemShep vs.Mshep, some (relatively mild IMO) character dislike, renegade vs. paragon etc.

We talked about what gift Liara might bring Shepard before romance for one of PMC's stories. 

Crazy-greggy, Theodoro and I each linked to our newest fanfics. 

Then there was some discussion about how much freedom one had when writting about Shepard promted by our talk about Theo's fic. 

There was some DLC talk, mostly about how Liara might react to Aria in a "Take Back Omega DLC"  

Then we talked some about length of asari pregnancy & maturity rate.

Some talk about Thessia in the MP.

We also talked about asari sports, whether biotics would be used and what Liara might like, if any. 

Then of course there was a dozen or so smaller topics as well.

[Arcataye]

TheDonk95 wrote...

Oh god that was awsome!

It's so awesome that here's a higher resolution version: http://i.imgur.com/D1Bwl.jpg
By the way it's made by Hellstern.

Modifié par Arcataye, 30 mai 2012 - 07:29 .

[Robhuzz]

Theodoro wrote...

Hopefully it's only a writer for future DLC, not ME4. Though the inconsistency of lead writers can only harm Mass Effect - ME3 being a perfect example of that. Drew was the glue that held the series all together.

However, a new lead writer may be a step up from the guy(s) who wrote the ME3 ending.

One more reason why I want Liara's story to be definitively over, and Shepard's as well. I just don't want to see or hear from either of them again in a future installment of Mass Effect. Have both of them retire to a quiet colony or a nice city on Thessia or Earth and don't talk about them again. My headcanon can solve the rest. That way they can't mess up their stories.

Hmm my severe lack of faith in future BioWare storytelling is showing isn't it?

[kyg_20X6]

Robhuzz wrote...

One more reason why I want Liara's story to be definitively over, and Shepard's as well. I just don't want to see or hear from either of them again in a future installment of Mass Effect. Have both of them retire to a quiet colony or a nice city on Thessia or Earth and don't talk about them again. My headcanon can solve the rest. That way they can't mess up their stories.

THIS.

[Theodoro]

Robhuzz wrote...

Theodoro wrote...

Hopefully it's only a writer for future DLC, not ME4. Though the inconsistency of lead writers can only harm Mass Effect - ME3 being a perfect example of that. Drew was the glue that held the series all together.

However, a new lead writer may be a step up from the guy(s) who wrote the ME3 ending.

One more reason why I want Liara's story to be definitively over, and Shepard's as well. I just don't want to see or hear from either of them again in a future installment of Mass Effect. Have both of them retire to a quiet colony or a nice city on Thessia or Earth and don't talk about them again. My headcanon can solve the rest. That way they can't mess up their stories.

Hmm my severe lack of faith in future BioWare storytelling is showing isn't it?

I feel the exact same way. While I obviously care a lot for the Mass Effect universe and everything in it and I want possible future games to be of the quality we expect, I just want to be sure that at least Shepard's story is over and not ruined by additional content. I mean, I didn't expect BioWare to do the things they did to Revan and HK-47 in TOR, but they did - what stops them from doing something similar to Shepard? That's why we need closure - and hopefully EC will bring it. And don't worry - I share your lack of faith in future BioWare storytelling a hundred percent.

[Dragon_Claw]

No, and lay off the booze...

[Arcataye]

Akernis wrote...

You have not missed much, there was some of the usual off-topics
Crazy-greggy, Theodoro and I each linked to our newest fanfics.

I really don't mind the "offtopic" as most of it, if not all, starts from something about Liara.
If for example we talk about the ending, I see it's okay as it directly relates to Liaras future. Also the people here are much less hostile and having something in common also helps. I enjoy reading the discussions here, but not that much on other areas of the forum. But that's just my opinion.

Fanfics. Goddess, I have to disconnect from the internet for a week and read everything as they have just kept on piling up. :happy:

Theodoro wrote...

That's why we need closure - and hopefully EC will bring it.

How would you feel if EC gave us "closure" and an end to her story by killing the LI (Liara) for a "dramatic and sad war scene". Well it's already possible with low EMS, but I mean in a way you can't work around it, forced scene.

I ain't saying that will happen, just wondering how people would work around that or would they just accept it?

Modifié par Arcataye, 30 mai 2012 - 07:38 .

[Tyranniac]

Robhuzz wrote...

One more reason why I want Liara's story to be definitively over, and Shepard's as well. I just don't want to see or hear from either of them again in a future installment of Mass Effect. Have both of them retire to a quiet colony or a nice city on Thessia or Earth and don't talk about them again. My headcanon can solve the rest. That way they can't mess up their stories.

 

I wouldn't mind either of them appearing as long as Shepard is the main character, but if that's not the case, then it is very important neither of them appear. Either way I would prefer them just settling down after ME3 and letting players headcanon the rest. Although I still think it is sad to think there won't be any more Shep/Liara ever. 

Robhuzz wrote... 
Hmm my severe lack of faith in future BioWare storytelling is showing isn't it?

I think it's a bit unfair to judge everyone by the mistakes of a few. Besides, all hope isn't lost yet!

Arcataye wrote...

How would you feel if EC gave us "closure" by killing the LI (Liara) for a "dramatic and sad war scene". Well it's already possible with low EMS, but I mean in a way you can't work around it, forced scene.

 

I... don't know. 

Seriously... I really don't know.

Modifié par Tyranniac, 30 mai 2012 - 07:37 .

[Theodoro]

Arcataye wrote...

Theodoro wrote...

That's why we need closure - and hopefully EC will bring it.

How would you feel if EC gave us "closure" and an end to her story by killing the LI (Liara) for a "dramatic and sad war scene". Well it's already possible with low EMS, but I mean in a way you can't work around it, forced scene.

I think this is something that should depend on the War Asset rating. I'll have to see the LI's death scene first to judge. I would obviously prefer closure in which Shepard and his/her LI are reunited and look forward to the future rather than an ambiguous one in which I don't know whether they're alive or dead. Either way, it's still closure, and I'm willing to accept either outcome.

However, having done everything right across ME1-ME3, there really needs to be an option in which both the LI and Shepard get to live. I didn't work my ass off with all the War Asset rating for the death and doom scenes to be forced regardless whether you have everything right or most of everything wrong.

Modifié par Theodoro, 30 mai 2012 - 07:41 .

[Robhuzz]

Revan and HK-47 were two of the characters I was talking about, but they also did it more recently (I'm saying more recently because the basis for Revan and HK's roles in TOR were laid as early as KOTOR 2). Anders and Leliana (Dragon Age) for example. Anders had a very nice epilogue in Dragon Age Awakening and they completely rewrote that and turned him from a funny likable fellow in DAA into a resentful lunatic in DA2. 

Leliana was supposed to be with my Warden in Ferelden, not working as some shadow operative for the divine in Orlais. Speaking of which they seem to be setting up both the Warden and Hawke for something similar.


I will await the EC and put some hope in those tweets by Jessica (at least I think it was her) where she said it would be possible to meet up with your crew and LI again depending on your choices. It won't make the ending any less ridiculous but I could live with it if it means I get my Shepard and Liara happily ever after ending.

After that, if there will ever be a ME4 set after ME3 and Liara appears in it, I will deny it and refuse to acknowledge it. Period. But here's to hoping BioWare doesn't go that route again.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 30 mai 2012 - 07:47 .