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[TheDonk95]

villevalo wrote...

Still, if rumors are to be believed then a DLC with just you and your LI is to be released.

It'd be the highlight of the series if I could spend a whole DLC with just Liara.

Wow that would be amazing...

[Aristobulus500]

I doubt they'd do it, but I would love a DLC that's essentially LotSB 2.0, and would take place on Thessia and basically be about fixing up Liara's romance and the Asari (lack of a) story arc.

[Arcataye]

TheDonk95 wrote...

Damn it I just watched like 6 videos about Liara, including the scene with the time capsule and her romance scene... There is just something about her that is so sad... happy sadness, but still sad. Now I'm depressed.
Everytime I think about Liara I just start to feel sad, I just love her. The first time I watched her romance scene in Mass Effect 1 and 3, and almost all the scenes in LotSB I shed some tears. I guess I'm just in love with a fictional character.

“I think I’m in love…” – emotional attachment and the positive side of the extreme fan reaction

Modifié par Arcataye, 31 mai 2012 - 11:57 .

[TheDonk95]

Arcataye wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...

Damn it I just watched like 6 videos about Liara, including the scene with the time capsule and her romance scene... There is just something about her that is so sad... happy sadness, but still sad. Now I'm depressed.
Everytime I think about Liara I just start to feel sad, I just love her. The first time I watched her romance scene in Mass Effect 1 and 3, and almost all the scenes in LotSB I shed some tears. I guess I'm just in love with a fictional character.

“I think I’m in love…” – emotional attachment and the positive side of the extreme fan reaction

That makes alot of sense to me. It didn't say anything I did not know before and I am not afraid to admit it when I feel emotional about fictional characters. Just when people tell me "Well it's just a game..." just pisses me off, because I dont understand how they can't feel the same way as I do. Maybe they don't see things in the perspective that I see them or maybe because they are just not as emotional as I am.
But how crazy will that sound, when it comes to Liara I feel beyond what was described in this article. There is a feeling inside me that goes when a man sees the girl of his dreams in front on him. Well I know it will sound nerdish and childish but I am simply in love with her. Every aspect of her is just perfect in my opinion, but it actually makes me cry and be depressed for days to think that Shepard's story is over and I'll probably won't see Liara in a game again. Nothing ever before in my life, especially in a video game, made me feel this way. Everytime I see her and hear her talk I am just filled with emotions. Maybe because they made her absolutley beautiful, maybe because they made her personality a caring, innocent person with a heart of gold, or maybe it's just because her beautiful voice and the fact that she is so smart and has such beautiful things to say.  So yeah I said that.
Also I have to say that a great part of my love in Liara is involved and is because of the music that usually plays whenever there are conversations with Liara or during the romance scenes. Basically there are two that made me feel this way towards her: The romance music from Mass Effect 1 (that also plays at the end of LotSB, which I dont know it's name), and "I Was Lost Without You". I am a person who really loves music and especially emotional music played on musical instruments like piano, sax and flute, and I have to admit that these two are the most beautiful and emotional that I have ever hear. I once made a thread about this.
And I know that it's probably not very good to feel such strong emotions
towards an non existant person, maybe because it just indicates
lonleyness and it's basically not good to fall in love and be kinda
obssed with something, especially something that doesn't exist. Alot of
my friends told me that.
Thank you for posting this.

Modifié par TheDonk95, 31 mai 2012 - 12:27 .

[Aristobulus500]

TheDonk95 wrote...

That makes alot of sense to me. It didn't say anything I did not know before and I am not afraid to admit it when I feel emotional about fictional characters. Just when people tell me "Well it's just a game..." just pisses me off, because I dont understand how they can't feel the same way as I do. Maybe they don't see things in the perspective that I see them or maybe because they are just not as emotional as I am.
But how crazy will that sound, when it comes to Liara I feel beyond what was described in this article. There is a feeling inside me that goes when a man sees the girl of his dreams in front on him. Well I know it will sound nerdish and childish but I am simply in love with her. Every aspect of her is just perfect in my opinion, but it actually makes me cry and be depressed for days to think that Shepard's story is over and I'll probably won't see Liara in a game again. Nothing ever before in my life, especially in a video game, made me feel this way. Everytime I see her and hear her talk I am just filled with emotions. Maybe because they made her absolutley beautiful, maybe because they made her personality a caring, innocent person with a heart of gold, or maybe it's just because her beautiful voice and the fact that she is so smart and has such beautiful things to say.  So yeah I said that.
And I know that it's probably not very good to feel such strong emotions
towards an non existant person, maybe because it just indicates
lonleyness and it's basically not good to fall in love and be kinda
obssed with something, especially something that doesn't exist. Alot of
my friends told me that.
Thank you for posting this.

Trust me, a lot of us here know exactly how you feel. And thing you have to realize is that it's actually okay to feel this way - a lot of people just think it isn't because video games you know?

But then here's the catch, a lot of people who would criticize you for feeling this strongly over a video game, would turn right around and do the same with a book, a movie, or something else equally fictional. People like that are still thinking of games as they were over a decade ago - games just haven't yet broken into the common consensus as a "true" art form

But Mass Effect is proof that games can be every bit as emotional and powerful and garner as much attachment as any other form of media - maybe even moreso because it actually draws the player in with personal involvement. It won't be the first game to do this either, but it's one of the first, if not the first, to be this powerful with its' ability to attach and emotionally involve the player not just in its story, but to feel such strong emotions for its' characters, too.

The thing you have to be careful of, just as with any fictional attachment, is that you don't let it negatively impact your life - and simply having these emotions isn't "negatively impacting your life" despite what others might say.

A negative impact would be, if because you like Liara so much, you refuse to date real women because "they aren't as good as Liara", or you commonly turn down going out with friends and such so that you can stay inside and get more time in the ME universe.

But, that is a very well written article and helped me understand a lot of things about my emotions too. It's not easy, either. It's really tough to get over that hurdle of "But I'm this involved with a videogame?" because it's so constantly ingrained that you're not supposed to. But there's no point in lying to yourself about your feelings, it's just realizing it's actually okay, games WILL eventually become accepted as much as books and movies, if games like ME keep getting made.

[TheDonk95]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...

That makes alot of sense to me. It didn't say anything I did not know before and I am not afraid to admit it when I feel emotional about fictional characters. Just when people tell me "Well it's just a game..." just pisses me off, because I dont understand how they can't feel the same way as I do. Maybe they don't see things in the perspective that I see them or maybe because they are just not as emotional as I am.
But how crazy will that sound, when it comes to Liara I feel beyond what was described in this article. There is a feeling inside me that goes when a man sees the girl of his dreams in front on him. Well I know it will sound nerdish and childish but I am simply in love with her. Every aspect of her is just perfect in my opinion, but it actually makes me cry and be depressed for days to think that Shepard's story is over and I'll probably won't see Liara in a game again. Nothing ever before in my life, especially in a video game, made me feel this way. Everytime I see her and hear her talk I am just filled with emotions. Maybe because they made her absolutley beautiful, maybe because they made her personality a caring, innocent person with a heart of gold, or maybe it's just because her beautiful voice and the fact that she is so smart and has such beautiful things to say.  So yeah I said that.
And I know that it's probably not very good to feel such strong emotions
towards an non existant person, maybe because it just indicates
lonleyness and it's basically not good to fall in love and be kinda
obssed with something, especially something that doesn't exist. Alot of
my friends told me that.
Thank you for posting this.

Trust me, a lot of us here know exactly how you feel. And thing you have to realize is that it's actually okay to feel this way - a lot of people just think it isn't because video games you know?

But then here's the catch, a lot of people who would criticize you for feeling this strongly over a video game, would turn right around and do the same with a book, a movie, or something else equally fictional. People like that are still thinking of games as they were over a decade ago - games just haven't yet broken into the common consensus as a "true" art form

But Mass Effect is proof that games can be every bit as emotional and powerful and garner as much attachment as any other form of media - maybe even moreso because it actually draws the player in with personal involvement. It won't be the first game to do this either, but it's one of the first, if not the first, to be this powerful with its' ability to attach and emotionally involve the player not just in its story, but to feel such strong emotions for its' characters, too.

The thing you have to be careful of, just as with any fictional attachment, is that you don't let it negatively impact your life - and simply having these emotions isn't "negatively impacting your life" despite what others might say.

A negative impact would be, if because you like Liara so much, you refuse to date real women because "they aren't as good as Liara", or you commonly turn down going out with friends and such so that you can stay inside and get more time in the ME universe.

But, that is a very well written article and helped me understand a lot of things about my emotions too. It's not easy, either. It's really tough to get over that hurdle of "But I'm this involved with a videogame?" because it's so constantly ingrained that you're not supposed to. But there's no point in lying to yourself about your feelings, it's just realizing it's actually okay, games WILL eventually become accepted as much as books and movies, if games like ME keep getting made.

You are right, Lots of my friend who read Lord of the Rings cried at the end when Gandalf and Frodo left Middlearth, including me. Alot people I know cried at the end of Saving Pvt. Ryan when Capt. John Miller died at the end and at the scene when Ryan and his family visit his grave. But when people talk about video games, even video games that are INTENDED to be dramatic and emotional like Heavy Rain or Alan Wake, they say "Pfft, it's just a game, how can it affect me emotionaly?" Well as you and The Lightspeaker said, when there is such an incredible job done on the lore, the characters, and the story, you actually start to feel strong emotions towards what will be their destiny, will they survive or not, and you start to love them.
And you are right, the moment this love for Liara will start to affect my real life in a bad way, then I'll know it got too far (although it sometimes happens to me when I'm prepering a lecture for my class when suddenly I start thinking about my Liara and get all moody and sad, but nothing really more than that.
I'm just glad that there is a place like this forum where I can speak my heart and mind about my problems and emotions, because people IRL can be very harsh on you sometimes just because you express your feelings. Thanks you friend!

Modifié par TheDonk95, 31 mai 2012 - 12:51 .

[Akernis]

TheDonk95 wrote...
But how crazy will that sound, when it comes to Liara I feel beyond what was described in this article. There is a feeling inside me that goes when a man sees the girl of his dreams in front on him. Well I know it will sound nerdish and childish but I am simply in love with her. Every aspect of her is just perfect in my opinion, but it actually makes me cry and be depressed for days to think that Shepard's story is over and I'll probably won't see Liara in a game again. Nothing ever before in my life, especially in a video game, made me feel this way. Everytime I see her and hear her talk I am just filled with emotions. Maybe because they made her absolutley beautiful, maybe because they made her personality a caring, innocent person with a heart of gold, or maybe it's just because her beautiful voice and the fact that she is so smart and has such beautiful things to say.  So yeah I said that.

I know what you mean, I have been in love irl once before and it is the same feeling, I can't compare them since each of the experiences is unique but it is easily the same amazing emotions .

As Aristobulus said many of us have these feelings of love for Liara and express them here

Modifié par Akernis, 31 mai 2012 - 12:50 .

[TheDonk95]

Akernis wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...
But how crazy will that sound, when it comes to Liara I feel beyond what was described in this article. There is a feeling inside me that goes when a man sees the girl of his dreams in front on him. Well I know it will sound nerdish and childish but I am simply in love with her. Every aspect of her is just perfect in my opinion, but it actually makes me cry and be depressed for days to think that Shepard's story is over and I'll probably won't see Liara in a game again. Nothing ever before in my life, especially in a video game, made me feel this way. Everytime I see her and hear her talk I am just filled with emotions. Maybe because they made her absolutley beautiful, maybe because they made her personality a caring, innocent person with a heart of gold, or maybe it's just because her beautiful voice and the fact that she is so smart and has such beautiful things to say.  So yeah I said that.

I know what you mean, I have been in love irl once before and it is the same feeling, I can't compare them since each of the experiences is unique but it is easily the same amazing emotions .

As Aristobulus said many of us have these feelings of love for Liara and express them here

Well it's always good to know that you are not the only person who feels this way, that way you know that it's a natural thing to happen.

[Arcataye]

TheDonk95 wrote...

Nothing ever before in my life, especially in a video game, made me feel this way.

Don't worry, same here, even if that means my life is awfully uneventful.


"Pfft, it's just a game..."

It almost gets me angry every time I hear that.
I see Mass Effect being beyond movies in the way that you are in there. It's not just you passively watching what happens next but instead you choose what happens next, you're part of the story. That's what gets me much more involved to the story emotionally.

Modifié par Arcataye, 31 mai 2012 - 01:09 .

[TheDonk95]

Arcataye wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...

Nothing ever before in my life, especially in a video game, made me feel this way.

Don't worry, same here, even if that means my life is awfully uneventful.


"Pfft, it's just a game..."

It almost gets me angry every time I hear that.
I see Mass Effect being beyond movies in the way that you are in there. It's not just you passively watching what happens next but instead you choose what happens next, you're part of the story. That's what gets me much more involved to the story emotionally.

You are right, it's far more than a movie. It's really an experience of a life time if you look at it from the right perspective. People sometimes fail to see that. That's why there is so much rage and sadness about the ending, because that is not how you end a great story.

Modifié par TheDonk95, 31 mai 2012 - 01:16 .

[Aristobulus500]

Yeah, a huge strength of ME, and games in general compared to other media forms, is how they can involve you, you're not just a passive viewer of someone else's story.

For example, in ME - say it was a movie, and Shepard made all of the exact same choices I made in my playthrough. It's effectively the same story, yet it would be a lot less powerful and I'd be a lot less attached. What's so powerful about it is that I could've chose for Shepard to romance someone other than Liara, I could've chose for him to be a sociopath and such, but I didn't. I chose the dialogue responses and what he does, so it's just...a lot easier to get attached.

[TheDonk95]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Yeah, a huge strength of ME, and games in general compared to other media forms, is how they can involve you, you're not just a passive viewer of someone else's story.

For example, in ME - say it was a movie, and Shepard made all of the exact same choices I made in my playthrough. It's effectively the same story, yet it would be a lot less powerful and I'd be a lot less attached. What's so powerful about it is that I could've chose for Shepard to romance someone other than Liara, I could've chose for him to be a sociopath and such, but I didn't. I chose the dialogue responses and what he does, so it's just...a lot easier to get attached.

And that's excatly what The Lightspeaker said, that's the reason that video games can be alot more emotional and dramatic than movies and books, because you shape the story of your hero as you see fit. You can make him a psycho that kills everyone, or an angel. That is why when you shape the hero the way you like him to be the story is much more emotional and you become more sensitive towards the hero and the other characters.
Some big movie company needs to turn the entire Mass Effect trilogy into a long 4 hours movie, or into 3 different movies, with shepard being pure Paragon and having his LI Liara or Miranda, and then people will understand why so many Mass Effect fans are so emotional about ME and maybe even they will get emotional
Emotions Party!

Modifié par TheDonk95, 31 mai 2012 - 01:26 .

[lillitheris]

Wait, what, who’s this ‘he’ you’re talking about?

[TheDonk95]

lillitheris wrote...

Wait, what, who’s this ‘he’ you’re talking about?

Who are you talking to?

[Robhuzz]

villevalo wrote...

Still, if rumors are to be believed then a DLC with just you and your LI is to be released.

It'd be the highlight of the series if I could spend a whole DLC with just Liara.

Exactly which rumors be that? I have heard nothing of the sort.

This DLC would be the only one I'd be interested in getting if the EC fails to deliver what is required and even then I would use gibbed to give me an insane amount of TMS and obviously stop right after the gift scene. It would at least give me an incentive to play the game again.

[fluffywalrus]

TheDonk95 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Wait, what, who’s this ‘he’ you’re talking about?

Who are you talking to?

I think it's because you used male pronouns for Shep
There are many Femshep people here (such as myself)

[Obsidian Gryphon]

villevalo wrote...

Still, if rumors are to be believed then a DLC with just you and your LI is to be released.

It'd be the highlight of the series if I could spend a whole DLC with just Liara.

It would have to be a generalised mission since it's not possible to cater to each specific LI. And there are 7 LIs in all. But then, I agree, a whole DLC with Liara...I'm buying.  

[TheDonk95]

fluffywalrus wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Wait, what, who’s this ‘he’ you’re talking about?

Who are you talking to?

I think it's because you used male pronouns for Shep
There are many Femshep people here (such as myself)

Ah yes, I'm a maleshep that's why is used "he".

[Arcataye]

TheDonk95 wrote...

fluffywalrus wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Wait, what, who’s this ‘he’ you’re talking about?

Who are you talking to?

I think it's because you used male pronouns for Shep
There are many Femshep people here (such as myself)

Ah yes, I'm a maleshep that's why is used "he".

I play femshep but I still use "he" when generally talking about Shepard. Unless it is important to note the gender I'm okay with either one, it really doesn't matter that much.

Don't know why would someone point out someone else using "he" or "she" as it does not bring anything to the discussion. It might just start another argument about the two different Shepard's. And we don't need that here.

Modifié par Arcataye, 31 mai 2012 - 02:53 .

[lillitheris]

Arcataye wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...

fluffywalrus wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Wait, what, who’s this ‘he’ you’re talking about?

Who are you talking to?

I think it's because you used male pronouns for Shep
There are many Femshep people here (such as myself)

Ah yes, I'm a maleshep that's why is used "he".

I play femshep but I still use "he" when generally talking about Shepard. Unless it is important to note the gender I'm okay with either one, it really doesn't matter that much.

Don't know why would someone point out someone else using "he" or "she" as it does not bring anything to the discussion. It might just start another argument about the two different Shepard's. And we don't need that here.

I suppose my reference to the possibilities opened by a video game versus a movie was oblique.

[rubynorman]

@TheDonk95 you are not alone. I feel the same way about Liara and Mass Effect too. And my friends who never play ME always ask me. "Wow, you like that character a lot." "Why?" "It's just a game." And I don't know what to tell them. "Because she is awesome" "Play Mass Effect and you will see". But I won't lie to myself. I love ME and Liara and I show it in my fb, my fanart my fic (which I haven't finished). I don't care what others think anymore. They haven't played ME, how can they judge me?
I love this thread and most parts of BSN. It's great to have a place that you can discuss with other people who has played ME and know why "It's not just a game"
A DLC for Shep and LI? I will buy it

I have a question about Asari's biology. What is the normal temperature of an Asari? Hotter or colder than human body temperature? I read a lot of fanfic and they said Asari body temperature is hotter than human body temperature.

[TheDonk95]

rubynorman wrote...

@TheDonk95 you are not alone. I feel the same way about Liara and Mass Effect too. And my friends who never play ME always ask me. "Wow, you like that character a lot." "Why?" "It's just a game." And I don't know what to tell them. "Because she is awesome" "Play Mass Effect and you will see". But I won't lie to myself. I love ME and Liara and I show it in my fb, my fanart my fic (which I haven't finished). I don't care what others think anymore. They haven't played ME, how can they judge me?
I love this thread and most parts of BSN. It's great to have a place that you can discuss with other people who has played ME and know why "It's not just a game"
A DLC for Shep and LI? I will buy it

I have a question about Asari's biology. What is the normal temperature of an Asari? Hotter or colder than human body temperature? I read a lot of fanfic and they said Asari body temperature is hotter than human body temperature.

Umm about your question, I dont know what is the Asari's body temprature, sorry.
And as I said, it is always nice to know that your'e not the only who really loves Liara.
And I never gave a single f*ck about people that laugh at you because you fell in love with a fictional character (not that anyeone laughed at me about this) we're not little kids..

[Aristobulus500]

rubynorman wrote...

I have a question about Asari's biology. What is the normal temperature of an Asari? Hotter or colder than human body temperature? I read a lot of fanfic and they said Asari body temperature is hotter than human body temperature.

Odd question. Due to Asari having aquatic/reptilian-ish ancestry, I'm thinking slightly colder, but not by much. They aren't cold blooded by any means.

This assumes that warm blooded aquatic animals on Earth have cooler temperatures than humans, which I actually don't know. Maybe you should look that up.

[Tyranniac]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Speaking of where would you guys/gals like Shepard and Liara if they are reunited in the EC to retire to after the war? I'm kinda torn between Mindoir and Thessia, although maybe I'd prefer Thessia, love asari culture in general and I think it would mean more to Liara to be there helping her people rebuild. Also I think a quite life for them will be hard to obtain in a way, they will be celebrities of a colossal stature and any kid they have will be under the glare of the media spotlight for sure. Imagine the media doing a documentary special on the life of Commander Shepard, their take on Shepard's love story would be a great watch no doubt :wub:Also I agree that future Mass Effect games should be given a clean slate to begin with, the Mass Effect universe as a whole is bigger than Shepard and his/her friends;)

Absolutely not Mindoir.

Thessia, I don't know, maybe.

I'm thinking Eden Prime. That would work. 

adneate wrote...

I got Explorer the white and blue colour scheme is great in light of Liara's later outfits, white with blue detailing has sort of become Shepard and Liara's colours.

Agree, always use Explorer Armor for Liara.

kyg_20X6 wrote...
 I don't even really ship Garrus/Tali as I see that as nothing more than a fling at the end of the world (especially considering the torch Tali carries for Shepard and, IMO, Garrus' lack of interest in relationships [yes I've romanced him]).

 

Disagree with all of this.

kyg_20X6 wrote... 
I'm also not much of a fan of fanfics that stray away from canon. Guess that's why I like Rae's work so much (and I don't have the time to sift through all the others to find similarly-minded authors).

This I agree with though.

S3Plan wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...
And I think Liara would destroy the SB network post-war. To me, she only did it to help Shepard fight the Reapers and now that's over I think she'd like to see this new united galaxy go its own course free of the Shadow Broker.

It's interesting that you bring this up, given that I believe that one of the reasons as to why Liara took control of the Shadow Broker network was to prevent it dismantling itself after the yahg's death. This would've created a huge... 
*text*
...dismantle the network post-war, as with society in a state of ruin, it wouldn't be as detrimental for it to simply disappear.

Agree. There's probably not that much left of it, and what is left should be dismantled.

lillitheris wrote...
Sounds like most headcanons assume that everything is essentially OK after the reapers are defeated [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

 

Really? That's not something I have noticed. Most people seem to agree there will be a lot of hardship and rebuilding, although with a new sense of hope and unity.

Arcataye wrote...

"Pfft, it's just a game..."

It almost gets me angry every time I hear that.
I see Mass Effect being beyond movies in the way that you are in there. It's not just you passively watching what happens next but instead you choose what happens next, you're part of the story. That's what gets me much more involved to the story emotionally.

 

Oh yes, I hate hearing this. And it's heard all too often. Games have so much potential. I'm confident that society's attitude towards games will change as more generations grow up with them though.

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

villevalo wrote...

Still, if rumors are to be believed then a DLC with just you and your LI is to be released.

It'd be the highlight of the series if I could spend a whole DLC with just Liara.

It would have to be a generalised mission since it's not possible to cater to each specific LI. And there are 7 LIs in all. But then, I agree, a whole DLC with Liara...I'm buying.  

 

I count 10 LIs that last throughout ME3.

Lasts:
Liara
Garrus
Tali
Ashley
Kaidan
Jack
Miranda
Steve
Samantha
Kelly

Doesn't last:
Thane
Jacob

Top, yay!

 

Modifié par Tyranniac, 31 mai 2012 - 04:40 .

[Arcataye]

Okay, who's going to start a "Fictional Love" support group?

lillitheris wrote...

I suppose my reference to the possibilities opened by a video game versus a movie was oblique.

I know what you mean but still.
It is however one of the reasons why I think the idea of making Mass Effect into a movie is a weird idea. Everyone has their own version of Shepard and the other characters. But I'd still probably go and see it.

Especially Liara would be easy to ruin in a movie. Only way I could see her stay as herself would be if the movie was done in CGI and Ali would be the voice actor. Some great writer who knows the character would be needed too. Cinematic game trailers are looking pretty damn realistic compared to what we had a few years ago so no problem there.

Modifié par Arcataye, 31 mai 2012 - 04:51 .