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[Tyranniac]

Arcataye wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

I suppose my reference to the possibilities opened by a video game versus a movie was oblique.

I know what you mean but still.
It is however one of the reasons why I think the idea of making Mass Effect into a movie is a weird idea. Everyone has their own version of Shepard and the other characters. But I'd still probably go and see it.

Especially Liara would be easy to ruin in a movie. Only way I could see her stay as herself would be if the movie was done in CGI and Ali would be the voice actor. Some great writer who knows the character would be needed too. Cinematic game trailers are looking pretty damn realistic compared to what we had a few years ago so no problem there.

The movie is going to be awful, I have no doubt about that. It's really a shame that there has been so little success with making movies based in a game universe. It's probably because game movie makers don't seem to understand that they should make an original story within the confines of the established universe, not try to adapt the game story to a movie or (as in the case of Mass Effect from what I understand) just base the movie loosely on the game. The exact same problem is obviously present in movie games: They don't make original stories within the universe.

Modifié par Tyranniac, 31 mai 2012 - 05:02 .

[fluffywalrus]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

rubynorman wrote...

I have a question about Asari's biology. What is the normal temperature of an Asari? Hotter or colder than human body temperature? I read a lot of fanfic and they said Asari body temperature is hotter than human body temperature.

Odd question. Due to Asari having aquatic/reptilian-ish ancestry, I'm thinking slightly colder, but not by much. They aren't cold blooded by any means.

This assumes that warm blooded aquatic animals on Earth have cooler temperatures than humans, which I actually don't know. Maybe you should look that up.

I'm pretty sure most are around the same. Whales, Dolphins and Seals have about the same body temperature as humans do. Different adaptations to maintain that temp in their environments, but the core temp is pretty much a universal 37C. Apparently it's a pretty awesome temperature.

So, that being said, I'm not sure if Asari would be cooler. I'm not sure there would be a reason for it. But I'm also not a biologist or anything.

[lillitheris]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

rubynorman wrote...

I have a question about Asari's biology. What is the normal temperature of an Asari? Hotter or colder than human body temperature? I read a lot of fanfic and they said Asari body temperature is hotter than human body temperature.

Odd question. Due to Asari having aquatic/reptilian-ish ancestry, I'm thinking slightly colder, but not by much. They aren't cold blooded by any means.

This assumes that warm blooded aquatic animals on Earth have cooler temperatures than humans, which I actually don't know. Maybe you should look that up.

My intro pegs it as 34 degrees Celsius, or about 5 Fahrenheit cooler. Larger tolerance, though.

Earth mammals have roughly the same temperature because of the properties of blood, I think was once explained to me.

Modifié par lillitheris, 31 mai 2012 - 05:04 .

[Aristobulus500]

An ME movie...I believe it could work, but that it won't. If Hollywood makes an ME movie, they are very likely to miss the point of the games, and make it extremely human centric. I see Male Shepard just straight up romancing Ashley, and the alien characters getting vastly diminished roles. Liara wouldn't even be a contesting LI, and their personalities would be massively dumbed down and made more shallow, so they could be gimmick/joke characters you don't take seriously, just like most aliens in Star Wars.

A movie, of course, doesn't have to do that, which is why I say it could work, it's just a movie probably would.

[fluffywalrus]

If there was a Mass Effect movie, I wouldn't go see it because it would very likely be crap.
Too short in duration to fit everything into a film, even just ME1, and it would be watered down really quickly to the point where it wouldn't be Mass Effect anymore.

[DevilBeast]

fluffywalrus wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

rubynorman wrote...

I have a question about Asari's biology. What is the normal temperature of an Asari? Hotter or colder than human body temperature? I read a lot of fanfic and they said Asari body temperature is hotter than human body temperature.

Odd question. Due to Asari having aquatic/reptilian-ish ancestry, I'm thinking slightly colder, but not by much. They aren't cold blooded by any means.

This assumes that warm blooded aquatic animals on Earth have cooler temperatures than humans, which I actually don't know. Maybe you should look that up.

I'm pretty sure most are around the same. Whales, Dolphins and Seals have about the same body temperature as humans do. Different adaptations to maintain that temp in their environments, but the core temp is pretty much a universal 37C. Apparently it's a pretty awesome temperature.

So, that being said, I'm not sure if Asari would be cooler. I'm not sure there would be a reason for it. But I'm also not a biologist or anything.

That´s because they are mammals, just like us. Now, since Thessia is a different planet with a completely different ecology, I´m not sure if reptilian like species on that planet are cold-blooded like reptiles are on Earth.

[Erenbe]

Arcataye wrote...

It is however one of the reasons why I think the idea of making Mass Effect into a movie is a weird idea. Everyone has their own version of Shepard and the other characters. But I'd still probably go and see it.

Especially Liara would be easy to ruin in a movie. Only way I could see her stay as herself would be if the movie was done in CGI and Ali would be the voice actor. Some great writer who knows the character would be needed too. Cinematic game trailers are looking pretty damn realistic compared to what we had a few years ago so no problem there.

Making a ME movie has to be the dumbest idea that Bioware has come up with up until now. How can you make a movie about a game that doesn't even have a canon main character? Sheploo is the front cover guy but that's about it....there is no established canon besides a rough storyline, some reference points and some predefined characters ...so any movie they come up with will forcefully shove a canon storyline and main character down our throats. 

My Shep is Femshep...not the default but one I came up with. I don't see that being represented in the movie. It will be a typical Hollywood blockbuster about some generic white guy named Shepard that will have some awesome space battles, some LI interaction (with either Ashley or Liara) and a movie title that will have Mass Effect somewhere in it. Action movies with space battles tend to be quite entertaining....I for one though don't think I can sit through it if it ever gets made. 

but hey....I guess that's what they are aiming for....advertising the games to an entirely new audience that will afterwards run into the stores and buy the games. 

Ah, this aggravates me. If you base a movie on a game the game needs to have some established canon and a canon main character and you re-tell the story of said game and canon char. Or you entirely stray away from any storyline and come up with something else (like the Resident Evil Movies). 

i am really surprised though..because in every book and comic so far they were really careful not to define a canon Shep and suddenly *BAMM* they come up with this stupid movie idea. Meh.... <_< that just makes me angry.

[Theodoro]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

An ME movie...I believe it could work, but that it won't. If Hollywood makes an ME movie, they are very likely to miss the point of the games, and make it extremely human centric. I see Male Shepard just straight up romancing Ashley, and the alien characters getting vastly diminished roles. Liara wouldn't even be a contesting LI, and their personalities would be massively dumbed down and made more shallow, so they could be gimmick/joke characters you don't take seriously, just like most aliens in Star Wars.

A movie, of course, doesn't have to do that, which is why I say it could work, it's just a movie probably would.

I disagree, actually. I don't think a ME movie can ever work. An RPG game like Mass Effect with one of its primary features being the ability to make choices, to customize your Shepard, choose your gender, your LI and morality cannot be successfully transformed into a successful movie, in my opinion. The Shepard shown there would feel alien to a great number of fans - yes, he/she can represent the Shepard of a few people that have done similar choices, but he/she would be something else for others - in a way, a canon Shepard is chosen, and a lot of people may not be happy about that.

Furthermore, I don't think that anyone can successfully pull off what the games have and represent such an incredible and unique galaxy; I fear that a movie like ME would be dumbed down to accomodate people who want to see action, fighting, and not much of a storyline. Moreover, I can't see how they'll successfully recreate all the characters in the series to a level that they'll at least resemble the ones in the games - I just can't see it happening. I've gotten used to hearing Mark Meer, Jennifer Hale, Ali Hills, Martin Sheen and the rest - to see or hear somebody else would be... just plain strange. Then there's the problem of recreating the aliens well.

So, if a ME movie is to be made, personally, I'm just closing my eyes and ears and pretend it doesn't exist.

Modifié par Theodoro, 31 mai 2012 - 05:16 .

[DevilBeast]

Erenbe wrote...

Arcataye wrote...

It is however one of the reasons why I think the idea of making Mass Effect into a movie is a weird idea. Everyone has their own version of Shepard and the other characters. But I'd still probably go and see it.

Especially Liara would be easy to ruin in a movie. Only way I could see her stay as herself would be if the movie was done in CGI and Ali would be the voice actor. Some great writer who knows the character would be needed too. Cinematic game trailers are looking pretty damn realistic compared to what we had a few years ago so no problem there.

Making a ME movie has to be the dumbest idea that Bioware has come up with up until now. How can you make a movie about a game that doesn't even have a canon main character? Sheploo is the front cover guy but that's about it....there is no established canon besides a rough storyline, some reference points and some predefined characters ...so any movie they come up with will forcefully shove a canon storyline and main character down our throats. 

My Shep is Femshep...not the default but one I came up with. I don't see that being represented in the movie. It will be a typical Hollywood blockbuster about some generic white guy named Shepard that will have some awesome space battles, some LI interaction (with either Ashley or Liara) and a movie title that will have Mass Effect somewhere in it. Action movies with space battles tend to be quite entertaining....I for one though don't think I can sit through it if it ever gets made. 

but hey....I guess that's what they are aiming for....advertising the games to an entirely new audience that will afterwards run into the stores and buy the games. 

Ah, this aggravates me. If you base a movie on a game the game needs to have some established canon and a canon main character and you re-tell the story of said game and canon char. Or you entirely stray away from any storyline and come up with something else (like the Resident Evil Movies). 

i am really surprised though..because in every book and comic so far they were really careful not to define a canon Shep and suddenly *BAMM* they come up with this stupid movie idea. Meh.... <_< that just makes me angry.

Agree with everything you said. IMO they should just make a movie set in the same world and story but featuring another main character than Shepard.

[Aristobulus500]

Well, when I say an ME movie could work, I mean by just using the setting as inspiration, and making it about entirely new characters/conflicts, on a smaller scale scope, not by trying to just port Shepard's story to a movie.

Because yeah, you're right, due to all the choices and player involvement you really can't just straight port Shepard in a satisfying way.

But the setting of the Mass Effect galaxy is huge, and has tons of room for stories to tell that aren't about Shepard, and a movie could take advantage of that.

[fluffywalrus]

DevilBeast wrote...

fluffywalrus wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

rubynorman wrote...

I have a question about Asari's biology. What is the normal temperature of an Asari? Hotter or colder than human body temperature? I read a lot of fanfic and they said Asari body temperature is hotter than human body temperature.

Odd question. Due to Asari having aquatic/reptilian-ish ancestry, I'm thinking slightly colder, but not by much. They aren't cold blooded by any means.

This assumes that warm blooded aquatic animals on Earth have cooler temperatures than humans, which I actually don't know. Maybe you should look that up.

I'm pretty sure most are around the same. Whales, Dolphins and Seals have about the same body temperature as humans do. Different adaptations to maintain that temp in their environments, but the core temp is pretty much a universal 37C. Apparently it's a pretty awesome temperature.

So, that being said, I'm not sure if Asari would be cooler. I'm not sure there would be a reason for it. But I'm also not a biologist or anything.

That´s because they are mammals, just like us. Now, since Thessia is a different planet with a completely different ecology, I´m not sure if reptilian like species on that planet are cold-blooded like reptiles are on Earth.

An understandable distinction, but has it been said 100% that Asari are more akin to reptiles or amphibians than mammals? Aside from their ears that show some resemblance to certain reptiles, their bodies seem to resemble mammals more. So I just generally feel it's a safe assumption. That, and I was responding to an inquiry about warm-blooded aquatic species on Earth

It's kind of depressing that these answers won't likely be answered, only speculated.
But that said, I assume asari are closer to mammals than reptiles or amphibians, even if that is making me slightly an anthropocentric bag of ___.

Modifié par fluffywalrus, 31 mai 2012 - 05:23 .

[Theodoro]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Well, when I say an ME movie could work, I mean by just using the setting as inspiration, and making it about entirely new characters/conflicts, on a smaller scale scope, not by trying to just port Shepard's story to a movie.

Because yeah, you're right, due to all the choices and player involvement you really can't just straight port Shepard in a satisfying way.

But the setting of the Mass Effect galaxy is huge, and has tons of room for stories to tell that aren't about Shepard, and a movie could take advantage of that.

Well, you made it out like it wouldn't work because they'll make Shepard a person who's extremely human-centric and would romance Ashley. Neither that nor a Shepard who seeks to help alien races and romances Liara would work. No Shepard will.

But yes, I agree that there's a lot of potential in the Mass Effect galaxy for a movie. Still, it has to be at a point where Shepard's choices don't have an effect because otherwise it can only be canon for a certain group of Shepards. However, as much as there is potential for a ME movie, there's a lot of potential for failure - somebody would have to be really, really good to present the ME galaxy in a favorable light for us fans.

Modifié par Theodoro, 31 mai 2012 - 05:23 .

[Arcataye]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

But the setting of the Mass Effect galaxy is huge, and has tons of room for stories to tell that aren't about Shepard, and a movie could take advantage of that.

I think that for example the story that the PTSD asari in the hospital tells could be an idea for a movie. It would have some scary/horror scenes too with all the hiding and banshees creeping around.
Maybe a movie about the first contact war? Something that is connected to the games, but is still able to be done without "ruining" the game series or involving "the Shepard".

Aristobulus500 wrote...

An ME movie...I believe it could work, but that it won't.

Yeah. John Shepard and Ashley Williams saving the galaxy with some alien sidekicks that end up dying to create emotional scenes that after all fail in their intention as the aliens were not built up properly.

Modifié par Arcataye, 31 mai 2012 - 05:31 .

[TheCrimsonSpire]

I believe a movie version of ME would work, if done properly. I obviously say this with a grain of salt, because past track records for being "done properly" hasn't been the greatest, when it comes down to games being adapted to films. The truth of the matter is, the characters and universe in ME are set up with more detail than any other game universe I have ever recalled(I infer the ones which later become films of course).

What is yet to be seen, is whether the director/producers/writers can use this universe correctly, and bring out the best traits from it on to the big screen. From what we have seen in interviews and the like, they seem to know what they are dealing with here, and what is expected of them. They have the power and resources to make an actual decent VG adapated film for once. All they need is time, money, and skilled writers...*cough* Joss Whedon *cough*.

[Aristobulus500]

fluffywalrus wrote...

An understandable distinction, but has it been said 100% that Asari are more akin to reptiles or amphibians than mammals? Aside from their ears that show some resemblance to certain reptiles, their bodies seem to resemble mammals more. So I just generally feel it's a safe assumption. That, and I was responding to an inquiry about warm-blooded aquatic species on Earth

It's kind of depressing that these answers won't likely be answered, only speculated.
But that said, I assume asari are closer to mammals than reptiles or amphibians, even if that is making me slightly an anthropocentric bag of ___.

I think it's been said they have aquatic ancestors - which explains their general skin tones, and their tentacles, and wasn't a designer for the Asari - especially in ME3 - quoted as saying reptiles were an inspiration, too? Which explains the scales and such. And keep in mind, there are aquatic reptiles.

I don't think Asari specifically have a direct correlation to any Earth animal though, I think they are a mix between a mammal and an aquatic reptilian creature, like a sea-snake. But not really exactly the same as either. I mean, they are aliens after all.

Theodoro wrote...
Well, you made it out like it wouldn't work because they'll make Shepard a person who's extremely human-centric and would romance Ashley. Neither that nor a Shepard who seeks to help alien races and romances Liara would work. No Shepard will.

But yes, I agree that there's a lot of potential in the Mass Effect galaxy for a movie. Still, it has to be at a point where Shepard's choices don't have an effect because otherwise it can only be canon for a certain group of Shepards. However, as much as there is potential for a ME movie, there's a lot of potential for failure - somebody would have to be really, really good to present the ME galaxy in a favorable light for us fans.

Yeah, I did make it out like that - but what I meant and should've clarified more, is just that I was saying that's what a movie was most likely to do. Not that it'd work well even if they didn't.

I think a smaller scale story would have a much easier time of getting by with barely mentioning Shepard or anything he does, also. Imagine a story that just takes place on Thessia about an Asari there, for example. Doesn't have to be about some high ranking political Asari, so the Council themselves can even get by with never really being mentioned. You got an entire planet to work with - after all, it's not like every story that takes place on Earth has to mention the US President.

[Theodoro]

Aristobulus500 wrote...
I think a smaller scale story would have a much easier time of getting by with barely mentioning Shepard or anything he does, also. Imagine a story that just takes place on Thessia about an Asari there, for example. Doesn't have to be about some high ranking political Asari, so the Council themselves can even get by with never really being mentioned. You got an entire planet to work with - after all, it's not like every story that takes place on Earth has to mention the US President.

Now something like that can work, and I would be interested in seeing it. There's a lot of potential for further enriching the history, culture and our perception of the asari and any other alien race. Problem is, they'd never go for something like that since most people associate the ME universe mainly with Shepard, a squad member of his/hers and the Reapers - and not many would be interested, unfortunately.

However, that said, I personally am not exactly dying to see any kind of ME movie, seeing as there are other ways to expand on the Mass Effect universe that may involve the player once again. I just hope that whatever may come in the future is congruent with the setting and does it the justice it deserves and does not cheapen it.

Modifié par Theodoro, 31 mai 2012 - 05:40 .

[Chaosbrain]

TheDonk95 wrote...

Damn it I just watched like 6 videos about Liara, including the scene with the time capsule and her romance scene... There is just something about her that is so sad... happy sadness, but still sad. Now I'm depressed.
Everytime I think about Liara I just start to feel sad, I just love her. The first time I watched her romance scene in Mass Effect 1 and 3, and almost all the scenes in LotSB I shed some tears. I guess I'm just in love with a fictional character.

Same here... I even avoided visiting this forum because i felt this emotions would affect my life too much... Well it didn't work quite well...But I don't care anymore. I'm in love with her, that's how it is.

[Han Shot First]

On the evolutionary ancestors of the Asari...

I think they are a mammalian species. The dead giveaway is those two lumps on the front of every Asari.
They do apparently have distant aquatic ancestors, but I'd bet on them being aquatic mammal analogues rather than fish or reptiles.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 31 mai 2012 - 06:00 .

[Theodoro]

CrimsonN7 wrote...
Speaking of where would you guys/gals like Shepard and Liara if they are reunited in the EC to retire to after the war? I'm kinda torn between Mindoir and Thessia, although maybe I'd prefer Thessia, love asari culture in general and I think it would mean more to Liara to be there helping her people rebuild. Also I think a quite life for them will be hard to obtain in a way, they will be celebrities of a colossal stature and any kid they have will be under the glare of the media spotlight for sure. Imagine the media doing a documentary special on the life of Commander Shepard, their take on Shepard's love story would be a great watch no doubt :wub:Also I agree that future Mass Effect games should be given a clean slate to begin with, the Mass Effect universe as a whole is bigger than Shepard and his/her friends;)

I think that this is one of the greatest opportunities for BioWare to allow the player to actually discuss his/her future with Shepard's LI. You would have a lot of dialogue and 'investigate' choices to talk with Liara, in this case, see what her opinion is, what she wants to do, and you can make your own suggestions. I personally want to see my Shepard settle with Liara on a more undamaged part of Thessia, help the asari rebuild while they have their own family of lots of little blue children, and it would also be an amazing opportunity for Shepard to get to know more about the asari way of life, culture, history and literally everything he/she wants to know about them. I think this is what Liara would want, as well.

But as a choice-driven game, the player would be able to talk with her to also either:
1) Settle on Earth and have a family there, help humans rebuild, Shepard shows Liara around;
2) Settle on Intai'sei - they've got a whole planet for themselves, a remote, desolate place of peace and tranquility (if Shepard had won it from Ahern)
3) Settle on Mindoir or Eden Prime as people have already mentioned;
4) Settle on the Citadel, help the Council, help in the restoration, and so on and so on - the possibilites are limitless.

And it would not be hard to implement since it would be an epilogue and it's a choice where people would be able to headcanon afterwards. However, I'd love it if BioWare actually included either a picture or a small cutscene of Shepard and Liara settling down in the chosen location.

Modifié par Theodoro, 31 mai 2012 - 06:01 .

[Tyranniac]

Theodoro wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...
Speaking of where would you guys/gals like Shepard and Liara if they are reunited in the EC to retire to after the war? I'm kinda torn between Mindoir and Thessia, although maybe I'd prefer Thessia, love asari culture in general and I think it would mean more to Liara to be there helping her people rebuild. Also I think a quite life for them will be hard to obtain in a way, they will be celebrities of a colossal stature and any kid they have will be under the glare of the media spotlight for sure. Imagine the media doing a documentary special on the life of Commander Shepard, their take on Shepard's love story would be a great watch no doubt :wub:Also I agree that future Mass Effect games should be given a clean slate to begin with, the Mass Effect universe as a whole is bigger than Shepard and his/her friends;)

I think that this is one of the greatest opportunities for BioWare to allow the player to actually discuss his/her future with Shepard's LI. You would have a lot of dialogue and 'investigate' choices to talk with Liara, in this case, see what her opinion is, what she wants to do, and you can make your own suggestions. I personally want to see my Shepard settle with Liara on a more undamaged part of Thessia, help the asari rebuild while they have their own family of lots of little blue children, and it would also be an amazing opportunity for Shepard to get to know more about the asari way of life, culture, history and literally everything he/she wants to know about them. I think this is what Liara would want, as well.

But as a choice-driven game, the player would be able to talk with her to also either:
1) Settle on Earth and have a family there, help humans rebuild, Shepard shows Liara around;
2) Settle on Intai'sei - they've got a whole planet for themselves, a remote, desolate place of peace and tranquility (if Shepard had won it from Ahern)
3) Settle on the Citadel, help the Council, help in the restoration, and so on and so on - the possibilites are limitless.

And it would not be hard to implement since it would be an epilogue and it's a choice where people would be able to headcanon afterwards. However, I'd love it if BioWare actually included either a picture or a small cutscene of Shepard and Liara settling down in the chosen location.

I didn't say that. Your quote has failed I think.

[Theodoro]

Tyranniac wrote...

I didn't say that. Your quote has failed I think.

Sorry, corrected it.

[TheDonk95]

Unless it will be exeptionally good, a Mass Effect movie will be a big failure.

[aletto]

Face it, most game movies are horrible.

[coatsworth]

TheDonk95 wrote...

Unless it will be exeptionally good, a Mass Effect movie will be a big failure.

There is too many ways that it would fail. How do you make a movie in which the game is different to any number of people yet make most fan enjoy it? Are they going to make a Fem and Male shep plus the different LI's, even if they did people wouldn't feel connected to it because the best feature of Mass Effect was the choice to make it your own. Not to mention what would the background be for this movie shep? Personally Mass effect universe is perfect for a movie but at the same time it is not because of the different chocies that a player can make at any given time in the game. Maybe a movie about Captian/Admiral/ Anderson, or Fleet Admiral Hackett rise to Admiral would be better fit for a movie.
Edit: TopsB)
http://t3.gstatic.co...gPPnKzfCVa9GmE-

Modifié par coatsworth, 31 mai 2012 - 06:32 .

[TheDonk95]

aletto wrote...

Face it, most game movies are horrible.

That's the case. Mortal Kombar Annahilation(?) aside, all the video game movies I watched were just crap.
Bad acting, cheap special effects, bad scenery. It always fails.

Modifié par TheDonk95, 31 mai 2012 - 06:30 .