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I think it's "annihilation".
Anyways, I'm kinda new to this thread, (been reading for quite a while, but never actually posted anything and I was absent for the past few weeks)
Tell me, is this thread always expanding so fast? o.O I can't keep up...

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A Mass Effect movie without Jennifer Hale...

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aletto wrote...

I think it's "annihilation".
Anyways, I'm kinda new to this thread, (been reading for quite a while, but never actually posted anything and I was absent for the past few weeks)
Tell me, is this thread always expanding so fast? o.O I can't keep up...


Helloes! And yes, it often expands very quickly. ^_^

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Regarding a ME movie, I just can't see a movie about Shepard being welcomed by the fans. It might be a success with the general audience, those who are unfamiliar with the games, but most movies based on video games turn out to be rubish anyway. So yeah, I think a Shepard-centric ME movie is most probably going to be a failure. I would maybe still watch it, depending on fan reactions, but I hold absolutely no hopes or positive expectations about it. And if it really turned out to be rubish I would have absolutely no problem skipping it; for instance I loved the first three ME novels and was about to get Deception, but after reading some reviews and realising how crap it was I now have no desire to read it and I simply ignore it.

I much prefer the idea of a completely different story for a movie, maybe peripherally connected to the whole Reaper plot and maybe just mentioning the characters we know from games, but otherwise featuring an entirely new cast of characters. I like the idea that it could even be centred on one of the alien species, but I really doubt we would be lucky enough for it to be asari-centric, I think it would be too risky with everyone comparing it to Avatar.

Another thing that might work well could be a movie that focuses on one of the underdeveloped side stories from the games. One I'd love to see is about Saren and Benezia, how he initially gets involved with Sovereign and corrupted by indoctrination, how she realises his plans and sets of to stop him, how she tries fighting off indoctrination, only to succumb herself at the end, etc. It could even feature Liara, after all she was important to Benezia, but since it's a prequel it would not really interfere with anyone's headcanon regarding Shep and Liara.
Again, I doubt we would ever get anything this asari-centric, but what to heck, one can hope and this is one ME movie idea I would be properly excited about. And even if not this one, there's still plenty of other interesting side stories to be explored. Just as long as it's not about Shepard...

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In order for a Mass Effect movie to be any good it would need an Avatar-like budget for casting and special effects, neither of which it is likely go get. It will have bad special effects and a director, writers, and actors mostly recruited from Hollywood's B and C lists.

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Han Shot First wrote...

On the evolutionary ancestors of the Asari...

I think they are a mammalian species. The dead giveaway is those two lumps on the front of every Asari. Image IPB
They do apparently have distant aquatic ancestors, but I'd bet on them being aquatic mammal analogues rather than fish or reptiles.


I want the asari ancestors to be dolphin like creatures. I just need a Mass Effect writer to make that canon. ^.^

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A mass effect movie done like the recent reboot of star trek, for example, could certainly work. It would live or die on script quality and staying faithful to the spirit of the games, but the retellling of mass effect 1 could make a great film. All those naysayers ignore the simple fact that most of the potential audience aren't hardcore fans and don't give a crab about those people's predilictions and (potential) complaints: of course it won't mirror game saves etc. but the universe and story are compelling enough to sell it. Remember 80% of players play plain male soldier, or close enough.

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Han Shot First wrote...

In order for a Mass Effect movie to be any good it would need an Avatar-like budget for casting and special effects, neither of which it is likely go get. It will have bad special effects and a director, writers, and actors mostly recruited from Hollywood's B and C lists.


The important thing is the plot really, if they use the game plot then it won't be good no matter how amazing the casting and effects are. If they make an original storyline within the Mass Effect universe then there would be hope. They won't though.

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I don't think a ME movie would need a huge budget, not for character CGI at least (spaceships and battles are another matter, but amount of those depends on the script). Asari are basically just painted humans with head prosthetics, they don't really require any special effects; as for the rest of the alien species, I think they're alien enough to not require the kind of effects as in Avatar, whose aliens were very human-like and thus needed to be all the more convincing. Salarians, Turians, Volus... these species can get away with special effects the quality of say District 9, which had, comparatively, quite a modest budget.

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Jebel Krong wrote...

A mass effect movie done like the recent reboot of star trek, for example, could certainly work. It would live or die on script quality and staying faithful to the spirit of the games, but the retellling of mass effect 1 could make a great film. All those naysayers ignore the simple fact that most of the potential audience aren't hardcore fans and don't give a crab about those people's predilictions and (potential) complaints: of course it won't mirror game saves etc. but the universe and story are compelling enough to sell it. Remember 80% of players play plain male soldier, or close enough.


1. I don't really think 80% play Soldier MShep.

2. Staying faithful to the spirit of the game is nonsense. Either is fits within the canon of the games, or it isn't Mass Effect.

3. There are a lot of potential stories that would make great movies in the Mass Effect universe. There is no reason to retell the story of one of the game but laziness.

4. We are the hardcore fans. That's why we're complaining.

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CrimsonN7 wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

rubynorman wrote...

There is another reason I don't like Javik: people ship Liara and Javik together.... T'Sovik whatever... hddhvgfhhdggvf


Yeah, people have a habit of shipping people that don't like eachother together (Liara/Javik, Jack/Miranda, etc). There are a lot of M/M slash fics that put the protagonist/antagonist together. I really don't get it. Do people really think that there is some kind of sexual tension behind every conflict? :blush:

There is nothing in Liara's dialogue or notes that even hints that she's attracted to Javik (even when not romanced). My impression it was personal distate tempered by professional curiosity. On Javik's side, whenever he bothers to think of anyone else at all, at best it approaches a grudging respect. I don't think Javik likes any of the crew but I'm sure he grows to respect most of them.


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T'Soni what the hell, yeah research for your book my ass:sick: Fell into the weird zone of fanfiction the other day, Liara and Javik together is unsettling to say the least. People are really reaching, maybe space hamster deserves some romance to while we're at it:D


Great image. Shipping is just weird - people come up with crazy combinations. I could almost see a love/hate thing there, but javik was too far gone in the game as it stood to be interested in anyone. His story about his ship was one leap too far.

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Tyranniac wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

A mass effect movie done like the recent reboot of star trek, for example, could certainly work. It would live or die on script quality and staying faithful to the spirit of the games, but the retellling of mass effect 1 could make a great film. All those naysayers ignore the simple fact that most of the potential audience aren't hardcore fans and don't give a crab about those people's predilictions and (potential) complaints: of course it won't mirror game saves etc. but the universe and story are compelling enough to sell it. Remember 80% of players play plain male soldier, or close enough.


1. I don't really think 80% play Soldier MShep.

2. Staying faithful to the spirit of the game is nonsense. Either is fits within the canon of the games, or it isn't Mass Effect.

3. There are a lot of potential stories that would make great movies in the Mass Effect universe. There is no reason to retell the story of one of the game but laziness.

4. We are the hardcore fans. That's why we're complaining.


1. 82% play male. Vast majority of them play soldier - bioware did push out the stats but i don't remember them all. Soldier is also the most popular mp class despite being pretty rubbish.

2. There is no canon. There are however fixed events, which a film could easily cover.

3. A film would want to attract fans as well as new people - a film following the events of the game(s) is the easiest and best way to appeal to both. Alternative media can do other stories. The animated film is already doing vega - how compelling will that be?

4. Some "fans" moan at everything. Because they do (loudly) they have been thrown dangerous precedents via fan-service elements. I really hate that and the accompanying sense of entitlement ...

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Jebel Krong wrote...
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Yeah... I think I'll just stop taking you seriously now. Go away. <_<

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I think what Jebel Krong is saying is quite reasonable. I don't expect any ME movie to be good, but it's not out of the realm of possibility, certainly. Hey, I can always wish Joss Whedon would write and direct it...

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Aristobulus500 wrote...

I think it's been said they have aquatic ancestors - which explains their general skin tones, and their tentacles, and wasn't a designer for the Asari - especially in ME3 - quoted as saying reptiles were an inspiration, too? Which explains the scales and such. And keep in mind, there are aquatic reptiles.


They don’t have tentacles any more than your ears are tentacles :P

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Theodoro wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

An ME movie...I believe it could work, but that it won't.

I disagree, actually. I don't think a ME movie can ever work. An RPG game like Mass Effect with one of its primary features being the ability to make choices, to customize your Shepard, choose your gender, your LI and morality cannot be successfully transformed into a successful movie, in my opinion.


I can’t agree with this. You have to approach it the same way as fanfic…it’s one story. I can and do read other people’s stories all the time.

(Presupposing that this canon doesn’t bleed into any future games, of course.)

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Theodoro wrote...

I, too, never understood the fascination with killing off characters. I don't like only a couple of squad members in the whole trilogy, but why would I want to purposefully sabotage and kill them? Everyone in Shepard's crew gives their life on the line to help him/her succeed, and for that, I would most definitely try to protect them in return. I don't like a character - I deal with it, but I won't turn away their help. They also add something to the story and ME3 suffers for their absence.


I gotta put my hands up on this one, one of my renegade Shep's has killed off Samara for Morinth, others have let her live although if I recall in ME3 Samara has sworn to hunt Shep down for all her evil deeds after the war so my Shep better watch out:ph34r: A constant casualty in all of my renegade run- throughs is cough* Jacob* cough, but it's not my fault that Bioware created such a bleh character,  does that make me a bad person? Only Liara can judge me:D

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I don't however go out of my way to try and kill off everyone in the suicide mission, I like everyone else except Kanye West:whistle:

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TrulyInnovative wrote...

I think what Jebel Krong is saying is quite reasonable. I don't expect any ME movie to be good, but it's not out of the realm of possibility, certainly. Hey, I can always wish Joss Whedon would write and direct it...


That's not what I have a problem with. It was more the points he brought up in his most recent post. Especially the offensive and untrue ones.

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Aw. Poor Jacob. Not that he doesn't deserve it after breaking all those poor Jacobmancing hearts.

I'm not sure what I'd feel towards a game/movie adaption of Mass Effect. I have seen very few video game/movie adaptions I'd consider decent. And Mass Effect I feel would require a lot of background story to make sense to nongamers which might bog the whole thing down.

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Jebel Krong wrote...

1. 82% play male. Vast majority of them play soldier - bioware did push out the stats but i don't remember them all. Soldier is also the most popular mp class despite being pretty rubbish.


I like to break the mold here, personally

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And the only reason I give Sheploo ONE runout is for my love of

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Shepard for me is femshep and I know I'm skating on thin ice here so I'm not going to give a list of my reasons why as it could open a can of worms;)

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lillitheris wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I think it's been said they have aquatic ancestors - which explains their general skin tones, and their tentacles, and wasn't a designer for the Asari - especially in ME3 - quoted as saying reptiles were an inspiration, too? Which explains the scales and such. And keep in mind, there are aquatic reptiles.


They don’t have tentacles any more than your ears are tentacles :P


What are those things on the back of her head, that even the game refers to as tentacles, then?

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Fox In The Box wrote...

I'm not sure what I'd feel towards a game/movie adaption of Mass Effect. I have seen very few video game/movie adaptions I'd consider decent. And Mass Effect I feel would require a lot of background story to make sense to nongamers which might bog the whole thing down.


I kind of disagree with that, too…although, yes, the Codex is a big thing, the first ME game still starts you off pretty much blind and explains everything you need to know along the way.

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Aristobulus500 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I think it's been said they have aquatic ancestors - which explains their general skin tones, and their tentacles, and wasn't a designer for the Asari - especially in ME3 - quoted as saying reptiles were an inspiration, too? Which explains the scales and such. And keep in mind, there are aquatic reptiles.


They don’t have tentacles any more than your ears are tentacles :P


What are those things on the back of her head, that even the game refers to as tentacles, then?


“ In the place of head hair, asari possess semi-flexible, cartilage based
scalp crests that grow into shape. These structures are rigid, and do
not - as some believe - “flop around’.”

They’re basically exactly like your ears.

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lillitheris wrote...
They’re basically exactly like your ears.


'Ear 'ear!


I'll get my coat.

Edit - Worst. ToP. Ever.  Custom image to make amends. Liara is not happy.

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lillitheris wrote...

I kind of disagree with that, too…although, yes, the Codex is a big thing, the first ME game still starts you off pretty much blind and explains everything you need to know along the way.


But Mass Effect is a very long game. The Codex reading is balanced out by the amount of other things you end up doing. A movie only lasts between 1,5/ 3 hours if we really push it. Is that really enough to learn to care about the setting the movie would play out in?

Also, hello everyone! I haven't posted here before. :3

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