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[Aristobulus500]

Wulfram wrote...

I've really never seen the interest in the FCW. A few minor fights and then the Space UN coming out of nowhere and stopping everything doesn't seem like an interesting film.

I think people just don't realize how short the FCW actually was, and how one sided and thus uninteresting every fight it had was.

They are probably imagining it to be larger than it was.

[lillitheris]

PMC65 wrote...

I would prefer the film to center around the First Contact War myself.

I'd be there on opening day for that one! Theater seat? Check! Popcorn? Check! Soda? Check?

Start the MOVIE!!!!!!!

I’d like that, but I think there’d be a problem with the ending — unless it was done explicitly as a prequel (to a movie, not the game).

I disagree about the uninteresting part, though. It’s not just the war, it’s the road leading up to it. Half the time you’re excited about the huge leaps humanity is making, and the other half worried what they’ll end up finding.

The start is easy enough…humanity’s faltering steps at Jump Zero, then the discovery on Mars, some cool testing of mass effect stuff, then they find Charon…the first jump into Arcturus, the massive stockpiling of spacecraft…mild alien vibes with the unknown space out there, and then, finally, starting jumping out — and running into the turians, who would of course come off as evil alien aliens initially.

In the prequel scenario, the ending would be just fine if it was basically the asari arriving to calm the situation down between the warring factions, maybe culminating into a little peace meeting and then the first human delegation arriving on the Citadel or something.

But, if it’s not a prequel…I’m not quite sure that would be a satisfying ending. A few too many open questions or possibilities? Dunno, maybe it’d work like that.

Modifié par lillitheris, 31 mai 2012 - 10:09 .

[TheDonk95]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I think biotics just tend to flare up around them when they get emotional, since it's so strongly linked to brain activity and everything. I mean, Liara does it when she's angry at Javik, and when she's having sex with Shepard.

Though if this theory is right, she probably should've had her biotics flaring up when she was distressed over Thessia.

Yeah dude I think that if this theory was right she was also supposed to flare up when she was mouring over Thessia...  And when she was arguing with Javik she didn't flare up she was just "prepering" her biotic powers... Only when she had sex with Shepard she was all foggy...

[CrimsonN7]

Han Shot First wrote...

Anyone have any theories on what the biologcal function of those head tentacles (or cartilage) are?

Considering that the Asari are so biotically active, and biotics even plays a role in reproduction, my guess is that they contain structures that are linked to Asari biotics. Most biotics need implants in order to control their biotic abilities, but this would not be practical for Asari reproduction, since they would have needed to reproduce long before they developed the technological know how to create and surgically implant biotic amps. My guess is that they contain structures that act as sort of a natural biotic amp, allowing them to use biotics during reproduction. Having these structures be close to the brain would also make sense, IMO,

Well Asari are considered to be the best lay in the galaxy, my Shep can vouch for that:D So perhaps their headcrests hold the key to such mind-blowing sex lol:P



Sorry, I couldn't resist, but in all seriousness hmm, I guess for Asari it enhances their biotic ability I'd liken it to the adrenal glands in humans perhaps^_^

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 31 mai 2012 - 11:17 .

[TheDonk95]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Anyone have any theories on what the biologcal function of those head tentacles (or cartilage) are?

Considering that the Asari are so biotically active, and biotics even plays a role in reproduction, my guess is that they contain structures that are linked to Asari biotics. Most biotics need implants in order to control their biotic abilities, but this would not be practical for Asari reproduction, since they would have needed to reproduce long before they developed the technological know how to create and surgically implant biotic amps. My guess is that they contain structures that act as sort of a natural biotic amp, allowing them to use biotics during reproduction. Having these structures be close to the brain would also make sense, IMO,

Well Asari are considered the best lay in the galaxy, my Shep can vouch for that:D So perhaps their headcrests hold the key to such mind-blowing sex lol:P



Sorry, I couldn't resist, but in all seriousness hmm, I guess for Asari it enhances their biotic ability I'd liken it to the adrenal glands in humans perhaps^_^

Well it's just how they were designed... There is a whole video about designing the Asari on Youtube.. They had various options for the Asari look and eventually they went with this one (good choice).

[Han Shot First]

Lizardviking wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...



Considering that the Asari are so biotically active, and biotics even plays a role in reproduction,

I thought that their mind-melding ability is not directly related to their biotics.

The codex suggests that the mind-melding ability is directly related to their excellent control of biotic abilities, but it isn't clear on whether mind-melding itself involves biotics. I suspect that it does, since most forms of life on Thessia are biotically active. Biotics also serves as a convenient explanation for how the mind-melding works. Without it we have no explanation, and it falls under the realm of 'space magic.'

Also in Liara's romance scene there is a biotic flare.

But they don't use biotics. Biotics is the ability to manipulate mass and etc. through dark energy, mind melding is something quite different yes?

Dominate: A demonstrated biotic ability that takes control of an organic mind.

I see the process of dominating an organic mind as being a perverse offshoot of the Asari's natural biotic ability to mind-meld.

Also if Shepard is foolish enough to take Morinth up on her offer in Mass Effect 2, both characters will be surrounded in a biotic field right before Shepard keels over and dies.

[Aristobulus500]

The issue I'm having with the whole reason for biotics flaring up is this - if it's not just linked to strong emotional stimulus, then...why does Liara have biotic energy swirling around her when she has sex with Shepard?

You could say it's related to the melding she does, but IIRC there's none of that residual energy around her when she melds with Shepard for the purpose of the Cipher, nor does that happen with Shiala when she gives Shepard the Cipher. Hell, it doesn't even happen with Sha'ira. I think. It's been a while since I've seen any of these scenes so I could be wrong.

But then again, as a counterpoint, there's that there is no biotic energy swirling around her when she's distressed over Thessia or Benezia. So it just comes back to...I don't have a clue why there's biotic energy around her when she has sex with Shep.

Not that I want to go on record as saying I don't want it to happen, it's a very interesting and exotic visual touch, that again makes her seem more alien and different than just being a blue woman.

[Han Shot First]

I think it is nothing more than cutscene inconsistency. It happens.

I think the evidence for biotics being involved in mind-melding however, is that the innate ability to mind-meld also makes the Asari more proficient biotics, *AND* Morinth has a demonstrated ability to dominate organic minds with her biotics. So we know that biotics can be used to get into someone's head.

So when Liara or Shiala melds with Shepard, I think biotics are involved in temporarily merging their nervous systems. The Ardat-Yakshi dominate ability is just a perverse offshoot of that.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 31 mai 2012 - 10:19 .

[TheDonk95]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

The issue I'm having with the whole reason for biotics flaring up is this - if it's not just linked to strong emotional stimulus, then...why does Liara have biotic energy swirling around her when she has sex with Shepard?

You could say it's related to the melding she does, but IIRC there's none of that residual energy around her when she melds with Shepard for the purpose of the Cipher, nor does that happen with Shiala when she gives Shepard the Cipher. Hell, it doesn't even happen with Sha'ira. I think. It's been a while since I've seen any of these scenes so I could be wrong.

But then again, as a counterpoint, there's that there is no biotic energy swirling around her when she's distressed over Thessia or Benezia. So it just comes back to...I don't have a clue why there's biotic energy around her when she has sex with Shep.

Not that I want to go on record as saying I don't want it to happen, it's a very interesting and exotic visual touch, that again makes her seem more alien and different than just being a blue woman.

Well I think that there's no real meaning for that fog Liara had around her during the sex scene with Shepard.. It was just to make her look more sexy or something like that. The biotic energy she had all around her when she was arguing with Javik is something eles.
I'm going to sleep, have fun speculating guys!

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Han Shot First wrote...

I think it is nothing more than cutscene inconsistency. It happens.

I think the evidence for biotics being involved in mind-melding however, is that the innate ability to mind-meld also makes the Asari more proficient biotics, *AND* Morinth has a demonstrated ability to dominate organic minds with her biotics. So we know that biotics can be used to get into someone's head.

So when Liara or Shiala melds with Shepard, I think biotics are involved in temporarily merging their nervous systems. The Ardat-Yakshi dominate ability is just a perverse offshoot of that.

But AFAIK there is zero mention of biotics being able to manipulate people's minds in the codex or story. Which is why I chalk up dominate being classified as a biotic ability as gameplay/Storysegregation.

Tyranniac wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I take offence at the last line. 

 

You enjoy killing off characters you don't like? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie] Or am I misunderstanding you?

Yes.

[Han Shot First]

But AFAIK there is zero mention of biotics being able to manipulate people's minds in the codex or story

Morinth can dominate Shepard's mind in Samara's recruitment mission as well, if Shepard has a low paragon or renegade score. She'll be on the verge of killing Shepard when Samara is forced to intervene and save him/her.

So the biotic intrusion into someone's mind isn't just a feature of gameplay, but is also featured in the story.

[CrimsonN7]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

But then again, as a counterpoint, there's that there is no biotic energy swirling around her when she's distressed over Thessia or Benezia. So it just comes back to...I don't have a clue why there's biotic energy around her when she has sex with Shep.

Not that I want to go on record as saying I don't want it to happen, it's a very interesting and exotic visual touch, that again makes her seem more alien and different than just being a blue woman.

Hmm perhaps it is her pheromones as it a different kind of biotic whisp she gives off and it is a love scene after all. Like you said it is enticing maybe the Asari secrete a little biotic energy to make themselves appear more sexually attractive during a sexual meld. But this is just a guess.

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 31 mai 2012 - 10:57 .

[Wulfram]

I take is as being a visual representation of wierd mind things - that may not actually be biotic, I'm not sure - that go with Asari sex, rather than literal, physical things.

Like the bits with the pink fog in the ME1 scene

[kyg_20X6]

Maybe Liara's embracing Shepard with a biotic field. Maybe it's just something she does in the heat of passion, or subconsciously. Biotics are pretty much an extension of their hands/bodies.

[Arcataye]

Han Shot First wrote...

Anyone have any theories on what the biologcal function of those head tentacles (or cartilage) are?

"Our central nervous system, including our brain, requires more space to send out beta waves and effectively meld with other asari and the many different species we join with."
- Ilos Can Wait

Aristobulus500 wrote...

...I don't have a clue why there's biotic energy around her when she has sex with Shep.

"Everywhere  Liara's palms touched – her arms, her shoulders, the sides of her breasts – a tingling hum began to spread, the vibration of her biotics."
- Cronos Station Can Wait


Yeah, Rae's stuff goes well with my headcanon.

Han Shot First wrote...

I'm against having an option to play through ME3 where every person on the Normandy's manifest survives, not because I want to kill squadmates I don't like, but because losing a squadmate or two gives the story more emotional impact.

ME2 worked fine. Every squadmember could die, even Shepard. But nobody was forced to die.
I lost Kelly and the ship crew when I first played the game, guess I did a good job as the commander.

If you play the game immersed to the story and the world and not thinking all the time about the optimal way to get something you want... you get much more out of the experience. I don't see something as an option, I see it as something that just happened because of my actions, it was not an option as I never chose it.

The game also need the "Reaper Win" ending that was promised pre-release where everyone dies. That was possible in ME2 Arrival DLC, but not in the final chapter of the series. I find that weird.

Modifié par Arcataye, 31 mai 2012 - 11:16 .

[Jebel Krong]

Tyranniac wrote...

TrulyInnovative wrote...

I think what Jebel Krong is saying is quite reasonable. I don't expect any ME movie to be good, but it's not out of the realm of possibility, certainly. Hey, I can always wish Joss Whedon would write and direct it...

That's not what I have a problem with. It was more the points he brought up in his most recent post. Especially the offensive and untrue ones.

excuse me? which ones were those exactly? i did no such thing - my last point was considered opinion but no more than yours the others are common sense or fact. you may not like it, but that doesn't invalidate it. it also doesn't justify hostility.

[Han Shot First]

The are two problems with the ME2 suicide mission. The first was that 'suicide mission' was a bit of a misnomer. It was ridiculously easy to get the entire team through unscatched. I and many other people did it on their first playthrough, without the aid of a walkthrough. In fact in order to have casualties on the squad you actually had to work harder at it than actually getting everyone through unscathed.

The second is that Shepard only loses people when he makes tactical or strategic blunders. This automatically undercuts any emotional impact these scenes may have otherwise had, becomes it comes at the cost of making the protagonist someone who is poorly suited to lead the mission. The suicide mission, as fun as it was, would have been more compelling if Shepard occasionally lost people when making the right tactical decision.

The deaths of Thane and Mordin or Ashley or Kaidan on Virmire carried much more emotional impact than any death scene in ME2, partially because they didn't come at the cost of turning the protagonist into a poor combat leader. It also reflects the cold, hard reality that in combat you can't always save everyone under your command. In fact losing people is sometimes necessary to complete the mission.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 31 mai 2012 - 11:08 .

[CrimsonN7]

Arcataye wrote...

Yeah, Rae's stuff goes well with my headcanon.

Agreed, I love Rae's work, even the Asari marking, I like to think Liara has branded my Shep too and if it wears off my Shep is always ready for some fresh ink so to speak:wub:

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 31 mai 2012 - 11:18 .

[Han Shot First]

The game also need the "Reaper Win" ending that was promised pre-release where everyone dies. That was possible in ME2 Arrival DLC, but not in the final chapter of the series. I find that weird.

I agree with this.

I suspect there wasn't one because such an ending could never carry over into any future Mass Effect titles. But a 'Reapers win' ending could have still been used in the game, it would have just been locked in as a 'non canon' ending if you play Mass Effect IV. It wouldn't have been any different than the ending of Mass Effect 2 where everyone including Shepard dies. If you play Mass Effect 3 that ending is not canon.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 31 mai 2012 - 11:26 .

[CrimsonN7]

Ah Aethyta, I'm hoping to see you in the EC, you're the only person who can make my Shep blush:D

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 31 mai 2012 - 11:38 .

[Ajosraa]

Strange Idea but....About Liara having purple biotic energy around her during intercourse/meld...

Perhaps she is using it to make herself "lighter" via dark energy. Like how some Asari seem to be able to do, considering various cut scenes. This way it would be easyer for Shepard to pick her up and move her around. They could be floating around at one point. Sounds fun, and perhaps a little dangerous... Could fly into the fish tank or something;P

Modifié par Ajosraa, 31 mai 2012 - 11:53 .

[CrimsonN7]

Ajosraa wrote...

Strange Idea but....About Liara having purple biotic energy around her during intercourse/meld...

Perhaps she is using it to make her self "lighter" via dark energy. Like how some Asari seem to be able to do, considering various cut scenes. This way it would be easyer for Shepard to pick her up and move her around. They could be floating around at one point. Sounds fun, and perhaps a little dangerous... Could fly into the fish tank or something;P

Sex with an Asari? Always wear protection:D I'm sorry I couldn't resist, pretty kinky Shep:whistle:

[Ajosraa]

Lol, nice play on words there CrimsonN7

Someone should put that in some Fanart on DeviantArt. Picturing them all intimate but with saftey gear on, would be quite silly;P

Modifié par Ajosraa, 01 juin 2012 - 12:09 .

[Ajosraa]

Han Shot First wrote...

But AFAIK there is zero mention of biotics being able to manipulate people's minds in the codex or story

Morinth can dominate Shepard's mind in Samara's recruitment mission as well, if Shepard has a low paragon or renegade score. She'll be on the verge of killing Shepard when Samara is forced to intervene and save him/her.

So the biotic intrusion into someone's mind isn't just a feature of gameplay, but is also featured in the story.

I think these are two seperate things.

Her mind meld/domination seems to be more based on what Asari can do (black eyes and such) vs a form of biotics, even though Asari can do biotics also. So I think its a unique Asari thing.

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Thought this one was funny. Shepard insists Liara take a break;P

Modifié par Ajosraa, 01 juin 2012 - 12:36 .

[Han Shot First]

@Ajosraa,

While I think the Asari mind-meld ability is a biotic one, I do think it is also an ability unique to Asari. It isn't something that biotics from other species could learn, because it is also linked to Asari physiology.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 01 juin 2012 - 12:45 .