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[MidnightRaith]

Han Shot First wrote...

@Midnight,

I agree that the lore is a little vague on exactly what sort of Reaper tech indoctrinates. We know that the Reapers themselves do of course, and apparently they also have nanobots that can indoctrinate. As could Artifact Rho.

Not having the Citadel itself capable of indoctrinating people seems odd. You'd think that would have fit into the Reapers' plans at some point.

And that would have been pretty cool, to be honest. However, I feel that they really shouldn't have been as vague as they are about a phenomenon in their universe that has received so much attention from both the writers and the fans. While much of ME3's plot doesn't rely on Indoctrination, a nice chunk of it does and much of that chunk contradicts itself.

Such as the geth and EDI. Why aren't they indoctrinated? Why can't they indoctrinate anyone else? Both have Reaper Tech within them, however neither are affected at all.  If Indoctrination actually had a set formula to it, set rules, then I would be much more willing to accept it when it comes up. Now, I just like to close my ears and make funny noises when it appears....

[Aristobulus500]

Theodoro wrote...

Sorry for the off-topic question, but do we know for certain that Thessia doesn't have any moons? I've been reading the Codex and the Mass Effect Wiki and there's no mention of any moons, but I could have easily missed something.

I honestly have no idea. A moon isn't mentioned, I think, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have one. For all the technical data they list about planets, the number of moons isn't one of those, IIRC. It's just, sometimes they mention a moon and sometimes they don't.

I'd like to know this, too.

Maybe there's context in this, in the other planets that are named after Asari mythology and such, maybe one of them mentions an Asari moon?

[aletto]

I'm quite sure there isn't a moon. Sure, there could be moons, but I think they would've mentioned it/them (somewhere) in the codex.

[Theodoro]

Aristobulus500 wrote...
I honestly have no idea. A moon isn't mentioned, I think, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have one. For all the technical data they list about planets, the number of moons isn't one of those, IIRC. It's just, sometimes they mention a moon and sometimes they don't.

I'd like to know this, too.

Maybe there's context in this, in the other planets that are named after Asari mythology and such, maybe one of them mentions an Asari moon?

Well, I guess I'll go with the assumption that Thessia doesn't have any moons, then, since none are mentioned. I think I would have liked it if Thessia did have one or two, as they could have been used to explain some part of Asari mythology as you said, but I'd rather not risk going against canon.

[Aristobulus500]

On the other hand, Theo, consider how much more alien of a world Thessia is, without a moon. As I've said before, consider how different it means their beaches and such would look, compared to ours. Could be other effects, too. There's potential in that to still be interesting.

I'd personally like to see an artist try to show off what a beach on Thessia might look like, if there's no moon.

[shepard1038]

MidnightRaith wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

@Midnight,

I agree that the lore is a little vague on exactly what sort of Reaper tech indoctrinates. We know that the Reapers themselves do of course, and apparently they also have nanobots that can indoctrinate. As could Artifact Rho.

Not having the Citadel itself capable of indoctrinating people seems odd. You'd think that would have fit into the Reapers' plans at some point.

And that would have been pretty cool, to be honest. However, I feel that they really shouldn't have been as vague as they are about a phenomenon in their universe that has received so much attention from both the writers and the fans. While much of ME3's plot doesn't rely on Indoctrination, a nice chunk of it does and much of that chunk contradicts itself.

Such as the geth and EDI. Why aren't they indoctrinated? Why can't they indoctrinate anyone else? Both have Reaper Tech within them, however neither are affected at all.  If Indoctrination actually had a set formula to it, set rules, then I would be much more willing to accept it when it comes up. Now, I just like to close my ears and make funny noises when it appears....

Doesn't sanctuary explains indoctrination and it appears not all reaper tech indoctrinates. If all reaper tech
indoctrinates then when shepard blew the reaper in me1 and debris of the reaper fell. Why didn't the people on
the citadel became indoctrinated? Also then why the thanix cannon didn't indoctrinate people?

Also isn't this thread getting out of topic?

[TheDonk95]

shepard1038 wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

@Midnight,

I agree that the lore is a little vague on exactly what sort of Reaper tech indoctrinates. We know that the Reapers themselves do of course, and apparently they also have nanobots that can indoctrinate. As could Artifact Rho.

Not having the Citadel itself capable of indoctrinating people seems odd. You'd think that would have fit into the Reapers' plans at some point.

And that would have been pretty cool, to be honest. However, I feel that they really shouldn't have been as vague as they are about a phenomenon in their universe that has received so much attention from both the writers and the fans. While much of ME3's plot doesn't rely on Indoctrination, a nice chunk of it does and much of that chunk contradicts itself.

Such as the geth and EDI. Why aren't they indoctrinated? Why can't they indoctrinate anyone else? Both have Reaper Tech within them, however neither are affected at all.  If Indoctrination actually had a set formula to it, set rules, then I would be much more willing to accept it when it comes up. Now, I just like to close my ears and make funny noises when it appears....

Doesn't sanctuary explains indoctrination and it appears not all reaper tech indoctrinates. If all reaper tech
indoctrinates then when shepard blew the reaper in me1 and debris of the reaper fell. Why didn't the people on
the citadel became indoctrinated? Also then why the thanix cannon didn't indoctrinate people?

Also isn't this thread getting out of topic?

It's always getting out of topic...

[ForgottenWarrior]

Has anyone posted it yet?

Liara's unused armor

[TheDonk95]

ForgottenWarrior wrote...

Has anyone posted it yet?

Liara's unused armor

Wow... sexy..
Yeah I think it was posted here many times but still, thanks for posting, I sure never saw this before.

[Theodoro]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

On the other hand, Theo, consider how much more alien of a world Thessia is, without a moon. As I've said before, consider how different it means their beaches and such would look, compared to ours. Could be other effects, too. There's potential in that to still be interesting.

I'd personally like to see an artist try to show off what a beach on Thessia might look like, if there's no moon.

Yeah, I guess that would actually be the more interesting alternative. I'm not knowledgeable about what the effects of a moon orbiting a planet are, however, but for them to be different than a planet that doesn't have a moon would be an intriguing distinction between the asari homeworld and the rest.

[shepard1038]

Theodoro wrote...

Sorry for the off-topic question, but do we know for certain that Thessia doesn't have any moons? I've been reading the Codex and the Mass Effect Wiki and there's no mention of any moons, but I could have easily missed something.

No, Thessia doesn't have moons. Here: http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Thessia

It says Thessia doesn't have satellites. Also Thessia is cold.
The reason you may have missed is because they say satellites. In science people use that terminology.

Modifié par shepard1038, 02 juin 2012 - 07:59 .

[Han Shot First]

ForgottenWarrior wrote...

Has anyone posted it yet?

Liara's unused armor

That armor looks awesome. I hope it makes it into the game at some point.

[MidnightRaith]

shepard1038 wrote...

Doesn't sanctuary explains indoctrination and it appears not all reaper tech indoctrinates. If all reaper tech
indoctrinates then when shepard blew the reaper in me1 and debris of the reaper fell. Why didn't the people on
the citadel became indoctrinated? Also then why the thanix cannon didn't indoctrinate people?

Also isn't this thread getting out of topic?

Exactly. Not all Reaper Tech indoctrinates, yet no explanation is given for it. At least, not in the games. I haven't read the books and I only own one comic. I know how EU works. Get more detail about the universe. However, for something like Indoctrination, a Codex entry is desperately needed if they have the rules for it down. Indoctrination doesn't fall into "details" that should be addressed in the EU. I'd argue that knowing how Indoc works is rather critical in some portions of the game. Putting it in books or comics that may not get read by the player is silly.

Anyway, the current in-game data suggests that passive Reaper Tech is just a effective as active ones. Like the "dead" Reaper(passive) compared to Sovereign(active). Why doesn't any of Sovereign's bits and pieces Indoctrinate others when the derelict Reaper could? It was just as dead as Sovereign, just more whole rather than in chunks. If you're going to say that Reaper Tech indoctrinates people then set some rules for it. Set some limits and clarify why something works when others don't. There wasn't a "centralized" Indoc center on the derelict Reaper that would affect people IIRC. Everyone on that ship was just a vulnerable as everyone else. Why doesn't this stuff have a simple "ON/OFF" switch? In ME1 it did. Sovereign chose when to indoc people and when not to. He could even set a setting on his little Indoc Microwave Oven.

Hell, even Vigil gives the impression that not everything under the sun had to be indoctrinated in the last cycle. He simply said that some people were, they got picked up by other survivors on hidden/undiscovered worlds and then betrayed them. No one else on those worlds needed to be Indoc'd. Now, Indoc gets way too much attention in the story without it getting explained.

[Theodoro]

Well, from what I gathered, without a moon a planet would have drastic seasonal changes, inconsistencies in day and night length, the axis of the planet's rotation would not be stabilized, and the lack of moon would also affect the tides. So, in hindsight, I guess not having a moon is something detrimental.

[aletto]

TheDonk95 wrote...

ForgottenWarrior wrote...

Has anyone posted it yet?

Liara's unused armor

Wow... sexy..
Yeah I think it was posted here many times but still, thanks for posting, I sure never saw this before.

Looks nice. Though I've always preferred the lab coat/armor thing from lotsb. Come to think of it, is it an armor or not? It doesn't look more than a bit fabric.

edit:

Theodoro wrote...

Well, from what I gathered, without a moon a planet would have drastic seasonal changes, inconsistencies in day and night length, the axis of the planet's rotation would not be stabilized, and the lack of moon would also affect the tides. So, in hindsight, I guess not having a moon is something detrimental.

a moon would only affect the tides. Seasons are a result of the angle of the rotation axis of the planet (Earth=23,44°). Let's take Earth as an example: (If you live in the northern hemisphere). In June, the sun shines on our hemisphere (we are facing the sun), because Earth's axis is tilted -> it's warm and shiny (summer). The southern hemisphere receives less light -> they have winter. 6 months later, the situation is reversed. That's not because of the moon.
Second thing is, the moon even destabilizes it's planet. Its mass "pulls" the planet. Not really noticeable, but the effect is existent

edit2: also, why would a moon affect day and night? Well, the effect is there, but I bet you could only measure it, not feel it

Modifié par aletto, 02 juin 2012 - 08:19 .

[TheDonk95]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

On the other hand, Theo, consider how much more alien of a world Thessia is, without a moon. As I've said before, consider how different it means their beaches and such would look, compared to ours. Could be other effects, too. There's potential in that to still be interesting.

I'd personally like to see an artist try to show off what a beach on Thessia might look like, if there's no moon.

Well I'll tell you what, it sure would have alot of Asari chicks in bikini
No but seriously, I dont think that the lack of a moon will affect the beach.. Actaully, I'm not sure the lack of moon would affect anything! (I'm not really good at starts and all this, so if I'm wrong please correct me).

EDIT: Well I jus saw Theo's comment:

Well, from what I gathered, without a moon a planet would have drastic
seasonal changes, inconsistencies in day and night length, the axis of
the planet's rotation would not be stabilized, and the lack of moon
would also affect the tides. So, in hindsight, I guess not having a moon
is something detrimental.

That explains to me alot about the lack of moon. Thanks!

Modifié par TheDonk95, 02 juin 2012 - 08:05 .

[MidnightRaith]

ForgottenWarrior wrote...

Has anyone posted it yet?

Liara's unused armor

Reminds me too much of the ME1 armor in terms of looks. I really liked that ME2 and 3 stepped away from  the wetsuit look and went towards what would actually appear to be armor.

[Aristobulus500]

Theodoro wrote...

Well, from what I gathered, without a moon a planet would have drastic seasonal changes, inconsistencies in day and night length, the axis of the planet's rotation would not be stabilized, and the lack of moon would also affect the tides. So, in hindsight, I guess not having a moon is something detrimental.

Detrimental...not sure. Might just be different.

Still, this is all something that really could've been explored if we got to spend any amount of time on Thessia. It really sounds like Thessia could be very different from Earth, yet still completely livable. It's very interesting.

[shepard1038]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Theodoro wrote...

Well, from what I gathered, without a moon a planet would have drastic seasonal changes, inconsistencies in day and night length, the axis of the planet's rotation would not be stabilized, and the lack of moon would also affect the tides. So, in hindsight, I guess not having a moon is something detrimental.

Detrimental...not sure. Might just be different.

Still, this is all something that really could've been explored if we got to spend any amount of time on Thessia. It really sounds like Thessia could be very different from Earth, yet still completely livable. It's very interesting.

Did you saw my post? Also I like your avatar:)

[Aristobulus500]

shepard1038 wrote...

Did you saw my post? Also I like your avatar:)

I saw your post. You said Thessia was cold! But doesn't the description of the planet list an average temperature? Then again, you can't really list an average temperature too well, because even on Earth there's a huge variance as you get farther from the equator, so same should hold true for Thessia.

It's hard for me to imagine Thessia being much colder than Earth, because the Asari don't seem like they'd be particularly...able to withstand very cold temperatures. They seem much more suited for warm temperatures.

Also, thanks for the avatar compliment! I like it a lot, too. The guy who made it is very talented, and I love his work. You've seen the LotSB one that was made for me, that I linked before too, right?

[MidnightRaith]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Also, thanks for the avatar compliment! I like it a lot, too. The guy who made it is very talented, and I love his work. You've seen the LotSB one that was made for me, that I linked before too, right?

I like the one you're using now more than the LotSB one. Not a huge fan of Liara smoking, but in this one she seems more casual and cool.  Like she's just chillin after a laying down the law in her SB network.

Well, I'm off to bed. I've stayed up later than I should....

[TheDonk95]

Sleep well Raith..
I also really like your avatar, Aristo. There's something really cool about Liara smoking a cigarette.

[Aristobulus500]

MidnightRaith wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Also, thanks for the avatar compliment! I like it a lot, too. The guy who made it is very talented, and I love his work. You've seen the LotSB one that was made for me, that I linked before too, right?

I like the one you're using now more than the LotSB one. Not a huge fan of Liara smoking, but in this one she seems more casual and cool.  Like she's just chillin after a laying down the law in her SB network.

Well, I'm off to bed. I've stayed up later than I should....

To be fair, that is the idea!

I like these style of avatars to portray Liara in a relaxed, mellow light. Both avatars are meant for her to seem more chill than a typical badass pose or something.

Edit -

TheDonk95 wrote...

Sleep well Raith..
I also really like your avatar, Aristo. There's something really cool about Liara smoking a cigarette.

It's weed, not a cigarette. I'm pretty firmly anti-tobacco so I wouldn't go for an av of that. Just something for me to sperg out on here.

Modifié par Aristobulus500, 02 juin 2012 - 08:32 .

[TheDonk95]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Also, thanks for the avatar compliment! I like it a lot, too. The guy who made it is very talented, and I love his work. You've seen the LotSB one that was made for me, that I linked before too, right?

I like the one you're using now more than the LotSB one. Not a huge fan of Liara smoking, but in this one she seems more casual and cool.  Like she's just chillin after a laying down the law in her SB network.

Well, I'm off to bed. I've stayed up later than I should....

To be fair, that is the idea!

I like these style of avatars to portray Liara in a relaxed, mellow light. Both avatars are meant for her to seem more chill than a typical badass pose or something.

Edit -

TheDonk95 wrote...

Sleep well Raith..
I also really like your avatar, Aristo. There's something really cool about Liara smoking a cigarette.

It's weed, not a cigarette. I'm pretty firmly anti-tobacco so I wouldn't go for an av of that. Just something for me to sperg out on here.

She's probably smoking what that Biotic God in ME2 was smoking...
They say that's the strongest sh*t in the galaxy..

[shepard1038]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Did you saw my post? Also I like your avatar:)

I saw your post. You said Thessia was cold! But doesn't the description of the planet list an average temperature? Then again, you can't really list an average temperature too well, because even on Earth there's a huge variance as you get farther from the equator, so same should hold true for Thessia.

It's hard for me to imagine Thessia being much colder than Earth, because the Asari don't seem like they'd be particularly...able to withstand very cold temperatures. They seem much more suited for warm temperatures.

Also, thanks for the avatar compliment! I like it a lot, too. The guy who made it is very talented, and I love his work. You've seen the LotSB one that was made for me, that I linked before too, right?

I was refering to that thessia doesn't have any planets. Why do you say asari are more suited for warm temperatures? The asari with their blue skin seem more suited for me to cold temperatures.
and to be more specific it says average temperature 25 C.

Can you post a link if you can or say in what page you posted the link?

Here is the link to the description: http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Thessia

Modifié par shepard1038, 02 juin 2012 - 08:39 .