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What-if, no moon.

This assumes the planet is Earth, of course, so it can‘t be directly generalized.

Therein lies the main problem with this article. Not that the assumption invalidates the conclusions, it's just that, as you said, they can't be generalised.

Basically all the consequences described in the article are due to one major difference - the speed of rotation. We know that the Earth rotated much faster billions of years ago and that consequently the moon used to orbit much closer. However, it is wrong to assume that this faster rate of rotation is typical of 'terrestrial' planets in other solar systems. Even in our own system Mars has similar rotational period as the Earth despite not having a moon (yes, I know about Deimos and Phobos, I'm talking about big moons like Luna; those two tiny captured asteroids have negligible effect on Mars' rotation). It is also quite possible that Earth's earlier rapid rotation may have been at least partially caused by the collision (presumably with about a Mars sized planet) that created the Moon in the first place.
Therefore, while the assumption in the article are valid within its scope (it does after all ask what would be different if the Earth had no moon), the conclusions are not really useful when thinking about other planets.

There are however other consequences of not having a moon, ones not mentioned in the article but that have been brought up in this thread. The main one is the effect of a moon on (de)stabilising the planet's axis of rotation and how that affects the evolution of life.
However, that issue is surprisingly complex and I don't think a definitive answer can really be given. While it's true that simulations of Earth have shown its axis of rotation becoming wildly unstable without the Moon, this again cannot be readily generalised to other planets. The thing is, this instability of rotation is caused by a chaotic interaction of the gravitational effects of other bodies in the solar system, which is subject to a great number of parameters - the mass and distance of the star, the masses and distances of other planets, the eccentricity and inclination of planetary orbits, the distribution of land masses and oceans on the planet in question, etc.
Consequently, the effect of not having a moon on the planet's axis of rotation can be anything from catastrophic to negligible or even beneficial.

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@Ajosraa
A sun has a lot of mass and gravity than a moon. In earth the moon isn't the only body that affects earth you have the sun and the planets. So a moon isn't necessary to stabilize a planet.
If thessia is close to the sun or a planet it doesn't need a moon.

The forces from the sun or a moon are the same that force is called gravity. Any body in space
that has high mass creates gravity.

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I agree with frudi we can't really asumme anything about the effect of not having a moon is on Thessia, though obviously the asari have not only evolved but thrived, and Thessia is considered to be the "crown jewel of the galaxy" so it can't be that bad.

shepard1038 wrote...
@Ajosraa
A sun has a lot of mass and gravity than a moon. In earth the moon isn't the only body that affects earth you have the sun and the planets. So a moon isn't necessary to stabilize a planet.
If thessia is close to the sun or a planet it doesn't need a moon.

Indeed

shepard1038 wrote...
The forces from the sun or a moon are the same that force is called gravity. Any body in space
that has high mass creates gravity.

Nearly true, any object in sapce creates gravity, not only the high mass ones, the force of lesser objects is just inconsequential compared to celestial bodies like moons, planets and stars.

Modifié par Akernis, 02 juin 2012 - 11:45 .


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To really know the effect of Thessia not having a moon we will have to go back in time where the sun
and planets were created and when Thessia was created and then watch as the planet changes and
what happens to Thessia and also watch the sun and planets to see how did they affect the planet.
So in conclusion we will have to examine the planet history and the solar system history.

@Akernis
Sorry i mentioned only the planets, suns and moons because those have more gravity than
smaller objects.

Modifié par shepard1038, 03 juin 2012 - 12:00 .


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That is kind of what I was getting at.

Though I did not think about the effects of all the other bodys in the solar system on the Earth, because I did not know if the force exerted from their gravity was significant enough to do anything. Aparently it makes the Earth spin all over the place if we had no moon.

I said that Thessia might be an older planet then Earth because of how that article mentioned that a star does the same thing as a moon but to a lesser extent. So more time taken to slow down its rotation I figured. But that point about Mars rotating slowly is interesting.

So I guess then Thessia would be closer to its parent star, or the star is of a different mass, Or Thessia is just really old.

But how could another world stabilize Thessia? Dual worlds?

Modifié par Ajosraa, 03 juin 2012 - 12:07 .


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@Ajosraa
It could be those three things and also you might want to check my above post for clarity.
If a planet has a high mass and is close to Thessia it could stabilize or distabilize Thessia.
And it is also possible that a planet may have been closer to Thessia and it stabilize Thessia and then began to drift apart from Thessia.Like I said you will have to examine Thessia history and its solar system history.

Modifié par shepard1038, 03 juin 2012 - 12:15 .


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Liara and Freckleshep has spread like wildfire...
Freckleshep is almost always paired with liara.
They're indocrinated by colour!

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Thats just so they can both play "connect the Freckle" together;P

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Yuqi wrote...
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Looks like someone is severly pissed, I nearly feel sorry for however coursed this, but if they made Liara angry I can only feel so much sympathy. What did they do? insult/threaten Shepard? Liara can also be protective at times Image IPB

Modifié par Akernis, 03 juin 2012 - 01:41 .


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Ajosraa wrote...

Thats just so they can both play "connect the Freckle" together;P


Maybe :P

I'm honestly surprised someone hasn't drawn it yet. Shepard with  a marker could be the end of the galaxy though..I don't think Liara would see any scientific reason to use a marker.

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Akernis wrote...

Yuqi wrote...


Looks like someone is severly pissed, I nearly feel sorry for however coursed this, but if they made Liara angry I can only feel so much sympathy. What did they do? insult/threaten Shepard? Liara can also be protective at times Image IPB


I think this is from when Kai Leng stabs your skycar. Shepard leans out to shoot at him and Liara (or another squad mate) takes the wheel. By the way I'm new to this thread. I've really enjoyed reading some of the fan fics and the fact that not everyone is complaining about the ending or multiplayer. Plus I love Liara.

Modifié par Tealjaker94, 03 juin 2012 - 02:26 .


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Welcome to the club Tealjaker. Look out, we are a passionate bunch at times;P

Liara does that to us:)

@Yuqi

I was thinking of something besides a marker.. rhyming with "young" But that idea could be a silly fun picture ;)

And BTW nice to see ya again, I got lost in college finals land;P

@Above picture

I think its kinda funny how Garrus is just sitting there in the back, all like "hey guys, whats going on in the front seat?" like the friend the gets trapped alone in the back seat if your traveling with 3 people. :)

Modifié par Ajosraa, 03 juin 2012 - 02:55 .


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Lol, Liara is mean muggin'.

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Speaking of Indoctrinated by color...Ive had a strange thought. Do you think that since boys are typically socilized with blue colors in their baby rooms and clothing typically this would have an affect on how they perceive the Asari? Especially conserning if they would find them more attractive or calming because of that subconcious link to the color blue? Maybe this is why I prefer Liara as blue and it is my favorite color, as opposed to green or red or pink or something..../crazy thoughts

Modifié par Ajosraa, 03 juin 2012 - 03:15 .


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Nah, I think it's just a pleasant color a lot of people prefer. It's not too bright, and it's a calming, exotic color.

Green is my favorite color, but it's more...striking as skin color. Doesn't look as pleasing.

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Tealjaker94 wrote...

Akernis wrote...
Looks like someone is severly pissed, I nearly feel sorry for however coursed this, but if they made Liara angry I can only feel so much sympathy. What did they do? insult/threaten Shepard? Liara can also be protective at times Image IPB


I think this is from when Kai Leng stabs your skycar. Shepard leans out to shoot at him and Liara (or another squad mate) takes the wheel.

Indeed, I remember clearly, though I did not think that it looked like the skycar at first, and that *insert highly derogatory and offensive insult* Lang does get what is coming to him, no-one tosses Liara and lives (except for Shepard who occasionally tosses her on the bed when she needs to relax Image IPB).

Tealjaker94 wrote...
By the way I'm new to this thread. I've really enjoyed reading some of the fan fics and the fact that not everyone is complaining about the ending or multiplayer. Plus I love Liara.

Welcome, glad to count you amongst us Image IPB.

oh dear goddess, I have to get up in a couple if hours, I should probably get to sleep, well fanfic writting does that to you Image IPB, no FTL while I am gone this time... pretty please Image IPB

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Modifié par Akernis, 03 juin 2012 - 03:22 .


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@Tealjaker94

Indeed that happens on the coup, Leng stabs the car and shepard shoots him and Liara takes the
wheel. Welcome to the thread " fist bump".

@Akernis

Well in Thessia Leng slaps Liara.

Modifié par shepard1038, 03 juin 2012 - 03:44 .


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I think he hits her in the chin with his pistol though instead of just "slapping"...or am i wrong?

Ouchy.

Modifié par Ajosraa, 03 juin 2012 - 03:40 .


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Ajosraa wrote...

I think he hits her in the chin with his pistol though instead of just "slapping"...or am i wrong?

Ouchy.

Actually yeah he slaps Liara.

Modifié par shepard1038, 03 juin 2012 - 03:50 .


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Man, just caught up, only to have to do it again come Monday and maybe Tuesday when I'm going to be high/asleep and too irritable to make posts because I'm having tongue surgery and hydrocodone does absolutely nothing for me. :mellow: Ah, well. Maybe I'll just switch to tylenol or whatever after the first few days this time....

Now then... I can't decide. Work on 100% ME1 run or work on fic? Want to do both, but I'm not certain which one will be hurt more if I decide to work on it while I'm less than cheery due to resistance to a certain kind of pain medication.

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Tyranniac wrote...

lillitheris wrote...


There aren’t, for the human eye. ()


Oh. *feels dumb*

That sure seems like an enjoyable hobby though.


You can see the Milky Way easily with the naked eye if you are in the right place (far from cities and surburban sprawl) on a very dark and clear night. It doesn't appear quite as luminous to the naked eye as it does in photographs, but on a clear and and moonless night it can still be quite awe-inspiring, and can occasionally be bright enough to cast shadows on the ground. In fact the first time I ever saw the Milky Way, that was what drew my attention to it. I noticed my hand and arm and casting a shadow on the ground as I reached for some gear, despite it being a moonless night.


What you see when you look at the subtly glowing shape of the 'milky way' in the night sky is not really one of its spiral arms, but simply the body of the entire galaxy seen edge-on, the faint indiscernible light of its billions of stars fused together into a faint diffused glow. Our galaxy is pretty flat, as all spiral galaxies tend to be, and the concentration of stars increases nearer its centre; that's why the central part of the galactic plane, seen as the 'milky way' from our vantage point on Earth (which itself lies inside the galactic plane), appears so much brighter than the rest of our night sky.
As for our spiral arm, the concentration of stars in it is actually quite low, about one stars per cubic parsec (roughly 35 cubic light years). The stars of the spiral arm are actually what you see when you look in any other direction than at the 'milky way'.
The brightest part of the 'milky way', the galactic core itself, is unfortunately obscured by huge nebulae of opaque interstellar molecular dust, which are present all across the galactic plane. If not for these nebulae blocking our view, the galactic core would shine very bright in our night sky, probably rivalling the brightness of a partial moon.
All this can be applied to speculation what a Thessian night sky might look like. Asari would see their own 'milky way' strewn across their sky, a view quite similar to that on Earth. And depending on their luck, they may have a far less obstructed view of the galactic centre than us, in which case, despite having no moon, Thessian nights may not be as dark as we imagined.
What you see when you look at the subtly glowing shape of the 'milky way' in the night sky is not really one of its spiral arms, but simply the body of the entire galaxy seen edge-on, the faint indiscernible light of its billions of stars fused together into a faint diffused glow. Our galaxy is pretty flat, as all spiral galaxies tend to be, and the concentration of stars increases nearer its centre; that's why the central part of the galactic plane, seen as the 'milky way' from our vantage point on Earth (which itself lies inside the galactic plane), appears so much brighter than the rest of our night sky.
As for our spiral arm, the concentration of stars in it is actually quite low, about one stars per cubic parsec (roughly 35 cubic light years). The stars of the spiral arm are actually what you see when you look in any other direction than at the 'milky way'.
The brightest part of the 'milky way', the galactic core itself, is unfortunately obscured by huge nebulae of opaque interstellar molecular dust, which are present all across the galactic plane. If not for these nebulae blocking our view, the galactic core would shine very bright in our night sky, probably rivalling the brightness of a partial moon.
All this can be applied to speculation what a Thessian night sky might look like. Asari would see their own 'milky way' strewn across their sky, a view quite similar to that on Earth. And depending on their luck, they may have a far less obstructed view of the galactic centre than us, in which case, despite having no moon, Thessian nights may not be as dark as we imagined.



Thank you for the correction!

Interesting to think that Thessia could potentially have a less obstructed view of the galactic core. In that case I'd say their night sky would trump ours, despite it not having a moon.

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Well, I guess I didn't miss something too instresting while I was asleep, except for frudi's fine explenation.


Yuqi wrote...


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Oh, what happened Liara? Someone made you angry? Was it Kai Leng? Don't worry, that bastard will get what he deserves later.
Oh man, she's beautiful even when she's doing a mean face.

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Why does Garrus look so chill in that pic? Almost like he's just going along for the ride and watching what's happening like he's not even there, lol.

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OMG, did you say that the Asari live on a colony that is 63 degrees C? Thats hella hot! Thats 145 degrees F. That would be hell for humans. But then again, that could be the average and their are cooler areas that are settled...


If that was Illium, IIRC it was stated that the Asari mostly settled the polar regions and that settlements closer to the equator were climate-controlled arcologies.


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TheDonk95 wrote...

Arcataye wrote...

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They say that the most beautiful view of the start is seen from Scandinavian places like Finald or Norway..

Maybe. If you dare to venture beyond The Wall, to the deep cold north where there are no light to keep a man safe...


Haha... I think that it is also said that there is a specific place in Finland that it's 50% of the year is daylight and 50% is night.. am I right?
Oh but we're getting really off topic now, which is Liara :wub:


It's like that in parts of Alaska also.

Ajosraa wrote...

Speaking of Indoctrinated by color...Ive had a strange thought. Do you think that since boys are typically socilized with blue colors in their baby rooms and clothing typically this would have an affect on how they perceive the Asari? Especially conserning if they would find them more attractive or calming because of that subconcious link to the color blue? Maybe this is why I prefer Liara as blue and it is my favorite color, as opposed to green or red or pink or something..../crazy thoughts

 

I don't think so and would have to agree with Aristobolus that it's just a soothing and pleasing color in general.  as far as color schemes go soft blues are normally associated with being easy on the eyes while Green is normally associated with being the easiest on our eyes hence the fact that most poker and billiard tables have green felt, it makes it easier to stare at them for hours on end.  while sharp reds are often seen as the hardest on our eyes.  plus blue has only come into fashion as a color choice for male baby's in the past 60-50 years with the most common choice for baby boys pre wwII being pink or red, and girls getting blue in the western world due to its association with the Virgin Mary.

I do have to say though that I couldn't imagine anything but that pleasing blue skin, how it shifts from a almost transluscent grey blue to darker purplish tinged shades, and every possible shade and hue in between, is to say the least exhilerating and probably my favorite physical feature on Liara including Dem Eyes

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had to this hasn't been posted in quite some time

also welcome Tealjaker:)