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[moreeman06]

MidnightRaith wrote...

Why does Garrus look so chill in that pic? Almost like he's just going along for the ride and watching what's happening like he's not even there, lol.

well you know he's just letting shepard get in some practice so that he's a little more competition in their next round of bottle shooting;)

[TheDonk95]

MidnightRaith wrote...

Why does Garrus look so chill in that pic? Almost like he's just going along for the ride and watching what's happening like he's not even there, lol.

I think that's just how Turian faces look... They don't have many facial expressions.
Even when Saren was fighting Shepard at the end of Virmire he didn't have alot of facial expressions, if I remember right.

[TheDonk95]

 
had to this hasn't been posted in quite some time

Everytime I see this picture I start to get a little sad... Even though she is amazing and her eyes are really, really stunning, there is something sad about those eyes. I can't explain it.

[shepard1038]

TheDonk95 wrote...

 
had to this hasn't been posted in quite some time

Everytime I see this picture I start to get a little sad... Even though she is amazing and her eyes are really, really stunning, there is something sad about those eyes. I can't explain it.

Thats when Liara becomes the shadow broker in mass effect 2 she is sad because the two years of mourning
shepard's death are over and feron is free from the shadow broker.

[TheDonk95]

shepard1038 wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...

 
had to this hasn't been posted in quite some time

Everytime I see this picture I start to get a little sad... Even though she is amazing and her eyes are really, really stunning, there is something sad about those eyes. I can't explain it.

Thats when Liara becomes the shadow broker in mass effect 2 she is sad because the two years of mourning
shepard's death are over and feron is free from the shadow broker.

Yeah I know this is just when Liara is about to respond to the Shadow Broker's contacts, but I was talking generally about Liara's eyes... They're just sad, man..

[Han Shot First]

Is that pic from ME3?

If so the sad tone you get from it would make sense. Liara's romance arc in ME3 had largely a tragic 'on borrowed time' feel to it. Of course we know that Shepard potentially beats the odds at the end, but the two characters don't know how it all ends. Most of the scenes with Liara do have an undertone of sadness, like the 'Name in the Stars' scene where she is basically preparing a eulogy for Commander Shepard, or the scene where she says her farewell. Even in the scene where she spends the night with Shepard, both characters express regret that they can't find some quiet corner of the galaxy to spend the rest of their lives in peace. As much as they might wish for that future, they know that it is likely their last night together.


EDIT: Nevermind, LotSB. It was answered above.

If Liara was a real person, I would truly pity her. How horrible would it be to lose someone you love, have that person somehow miraculously return, only to face the prospect of losing them again?

Modifié par Han Shot First, 03 juin 2012 - 07:13 .

[MidnightRaith]

TheDonk95 wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...

Why does Garrus look so chill in that pic? Almost like he's just going along for the ride and watching what's happening like he's not even there, lol.

I think that's just how Turian faces look... They don't have many facial expressions.
Even when Saren was fighting Shepard at the end of Virmire he didn't have alot of facial expressions, if I remember right.

Hmm, true. They are quite... ah, I suppose brick faced. Their awesome voices make up for it though.

Is color preference really linked to gender by the subconscious? My mother dressed me up in pretty pink dresses, bows and the whole she-bang. However, once I got to about three, I decided that blue is my favorite color and I have not budged from that preference in about 17 years. Seriously. While most kids changed their favorite colors on a monthly basis, mine has always been blue and it looks like it will be for a very, very long time.

[TheDonk95]

Han Shot First wrote...

Is that pic from ME3?

If so the sad tone you get from it would make sense. Liara's romance arc in ME3 had largely a tragic 'on borrowed time' feel to it. Of course we know that Shepard potentially beats the odds at the end, but the two characters don't know how it all ends. Most of the scenes with Liara do have an undertone of sadness, like the 'Name in the Stars' scene where she is basically preparing a eulogy for Commander Shepard, or the scene where she says her farewell. Even in the scene where she spends the night with Shepard, both characters express regret that they can't find some quiet corner of the galaxy to spend the rest of their lives in peace. As much as they might wish for that future, they know that it is likely their last night together.

This picture is from LotSB. Mass Effect 3, through the entire game (atleast for me), had a sad and depressing atmosphere. Not just talking about Liara now. Everything is just involved with a sad feeling of "This is it". A feeling that everybody knows what lies ahead of them, and that they are all probably won't gonna survive. That's the feeling that I felt during the entire game. That wasn't the feeling I had in ME2, although I did know that everybody can die, including Shepard.
Now about Liara, from the moment I met her on Mars, untill the final goodbye with her, there wasn't even one moment that there wasn't sadness in the air when they were meeting. The romance scene was basically just to have a final moment with Liara, because in a few hours they're gonna enter the Sol System and the final fight for Earth will begin, so there won't be any more time to say goodbye to each other (except that they did eventually find a time to do this). Even when Liara was showing her time capsule to Shepard, there was this sad atmosphere in the air, that basically she and he knows that this time capsule is for when everybody will die, and nobody could tell the story and warn about the Reapers. They both know that this is gonna happen.
This was also the atmosphere for me in LotSB, especially at the end, when Liara is crying. I just couldn't handle myself and I almost cried myself. It's very hard for me to see her cry.
So as I said, there is something sad about Liara in Mass Effect 3, that wasn't there in Mass Effect 1.

[TheDonk95]

MidnightRaith wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...

Why does Garrus look so chill in that pic? Almost like he's just going along for the ride and watching what's happening like he's not even there, lol.

I think that's just how Turian faces look... They don't have many facial expressions.
Even when Saren was fighting Shepard at the end of Virmire he didn't have alot of facial expressions, if I remember right.

Hmm, true. They are quite... ah, I suppose brick faced. Their awesome voices make up for it though.

Is color preference really linked to gender by the subconscious? My mother dressed me up in pretty pink dresses, bows and the whole she-bang. However, once I got to about three, I decided that blue is my favorite color and I have not budged from that preference in about 17 years. Seriously. While most kids changed their favorite colors on a monthly basis, mine has always been blue and it looks like it will be for a very, very long time.

Mine too. And not because of Liara I just always liked this color.

[shepard1038]

MidnightRaith wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...

Why does Garrus look so chill in that pic? Almost like he's just going along for the ride and watching what's happening like he's not even there, lol.

I think that's just how Turian faces look... They don't have many facial expressions.
Even when Saren was fighting Shepard at the end of Virmire he didn't have alot of facial expressions, if I remember right.

Hmm, true. They are quite... ah, I suppose brick faced. Their awesome voices make up for it though.

Is color preference really linked to gender by the subconscious? My mother dressed me up in pretty pink dresses, bows and the whole she-bang. However, once I got to about three, I decided that blue is my favorite color and I have not budged from that preference in about 17 years. Seriously. While most kids changed their favorite colors on a monthly basis, mine has always been blue and it looks like it will be for a very, very long time.

Brick faced i always though Turians were dinosaur faced.

I think not. My favorite color has and has always been blue, i guess blue being my favorite may have an impact on why I like Liara, though thats not the only reason i like Liara.

@TheDonk

Me1 doesn't have that tone because the reapers have not arrived and we haven't found evidence of their origin.

Modifié par shepard1038, 03 juin 2012 - 07:29 .

[TheDonk95]

@TheDonk

Me1 doesn't have that tone because the reapers have not arrived and we haven't found evidence of their origin.

Yeah that's probably the reason. The threat was less big therfore the general atmosphere of the game was less threatning and sad..

Modifié par TheDonk95, 03 juin 2012 - 07:32 .

[shepard1038]

TheDonk95 wrote...

@TheDonk

Me1 doesn't have that tone because the reapers have not arrived and we haven't found evidence of their origin.

Yeah that's probably the reason. The threat was less big therfore the general atmosphere of the game was less threatning and sad..

Yeah in me1 the reapers were and unknow, but by the beginning of me2 the tone became more darker and sad.
And look at the irony besides all the sadness and dark tone in me2 and me3 it is possible for Liara and Shepard 
to survive at the end.

Also do you know where I can get Liara's banners?

Modifié par shepard1038, 03 juin 2012 - 07:54 .

[TheDonk95]

shepard1038 wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...

@TheDonk

Me1 doesn't have that tone because the reapers have not arrived and we haven't found evidence of their origin.

Yeah that's probably the reason. The threat was less big therfore the general atmosphere of the game was less threatning and sad..

Yeah in me1 the reapers were and unknow, but by the beginning of me2 the tone became more darker and sad.
And look at the irony besides all the sadness and dark tone in me2 and me3 it is possible for Liara and Shepard 
to survive at the end.

Also do you know where I can get Liara's banners?

I think at the first page of this thread there are some banners.

[Theodoro]

TheDonk95 wrote...
Now about Liara, from the moment I met her on Mars, untill the final goodbye with her, there wasn't even one moment that there wasn't sadness in the air when they were meeting. The romance scene was basically just to have a final moment with Liara, because in a few hours they're gonna enter the Sol System and the final fight for Earth will begin, so there won't be any more time to say goodbye to each other (except that they did eventually find a time to do this). Even when Liara was showing her time capsule to Shepard, there was this sad atmosphere in the air, that basically she and he knows that this time capsule is for when everybody will die, and nobody could tell the story and warn about the Reapers. They both know that this is gonna happen.

That's why I think it's so important for the EC to give us a moment for Liara and Shepard that's just for them, now with the threat of the Reapers over and done with. A moment where they could just talk about their future and simply enjoy each other's company without thoughts of the Reapers looming over their heads just once.

[TheDonk95]

Theodoro wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...
Now about Liara, from the moment I met her on Mars, untill the final goodbye with her, there wasn't even one moment that there wasn't sadness in the air when they were meeting. The romance scene was basically just to have a final moment with Liara, because in a few hours they're gonna enter the Sol System and the final fight for Earth will begin, so there won't be any more time to say goodbye to each other (except that they did eventually find a time to do this). Even when Liara was showing her time capsule to Shepard, there was this sad atmosphere in the air, that basically she and he knows that this time capsule is for when everybody will die, and nobody could tell the story and warn about the Reapers. They both know that this is gonna happen.

That's why I think it's so important for the EC to give us a moment for Liara and Shepard that's just for them, now with the threat of the Reapers over and done with. A moment where they could just talk about their future and simply enjoy each other's company without thoughts of the Reapers looming over their heads just once.

Dude I swear if that will happen I will start pre-ordering Bioware games again
I can only imagine it. They are sitting maybe at Liara's apartment in Illium, next to each other, and speaking about general life things, children, a new house, things that doesn't involve Reapers. That can be beautiful..

Modifié par TheDonk95, 03 juin 2012 - 08:02 .

[Aristobulus500]

TheDonk95 wrote...

This picture is from LotSB. Mass Effect 3, through the entire game (atleast for me), had a sad and depressing atmosphere. Not just talking about Liara now. Everything is just involved with a sad feeling of "This is it". A feeling that everybody knows what lies ahead of them, and that they are all probably won't gonna survive. That's the feeling that I felt during the entire game. That wasn't the feeling I had in ME2, although I did know that everybody can die, including Shepard.
Now about Liara, from the moment I met her on Mars, untill the final goodbye with her, there wasn't even one moment that there wasn't sadness in the air when they were meeting. The romance scene was basically just to have a final moment with Liara, because in a few hours they're gonna enter the Sol System and the final fight for Earth will begin, so there won't be any more time to say goodbye to each other (except that they did eventually find a time to do this). Even when Liara was showing her time capsule to Shepard, there was this sad atmosphere in the air, that basically she and he knows that this time capsule is for when everybody will die, and nobody could tell the story and warn about the Reapers. They both know that this is gonna happen.
This was also the atmosphere for me in LotSB, especially at the end, when Liara is crying. I just couldn't handle myself and I almost cried myself. It's very hard for me to see her cry.
So as I said, there is something sad about Liara in Mass Effect 3, that wasn't there in Mass Effect 1.

Everything you're saying is spot in, and it's all because of the major shift in tone in the series as it went on. ME1 was much more about just being hopeful, adventurous, and just letting you explore and enjoy the galaxy and setting without feeling like impending death was coming.

As the series goes on, the atmosphere DOES get a lot darker and more oppressive and exhausting, and thus more sad. It's because the Reapers are getting closer.

It's kindof like how in Majora's Mask, on day 1 people are happy and not really concerned and just going about their business, by day 3 people are breaking down and are panicking and depressed and things are just really bleak and tragic.

Liara is no exception - in ME1 she has the time and opportunity to just talk about her life, and her work, but as the Reapers get closer and things get rougher, her talks with Shepard have to focus more and more on the war and possibility of death and all that. The galaxy and places she loves and cares about take hits too, with Thessia and the Citadel being invaded, it's really hard to just ignore all of the negatives going on.

It's why there so strongly needed to be a happy ending though - there was supposed to be some catharsis, a release from all this negativity. It wasn't supposed to just be bleak and depressing from start to finish, there's supposed to be a moment of triumph, a light at the end of the tunnel - and especially for Liara and Shepard that light does not exist and it's horrible for a player to go through.

Instead it's like you start out at a light, but the tunnel just gets darker and darker until in pure darkness you hit a dead end and the tunnel caves in behind you. That's not how things are supposed to be.

[shepard1038]

Theodoro wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...
Now about Liara, from the moment I met her on Mars, untill the final goodbye with her, there wasn't even one moment that there wasn't sadness in the air when they were meeting. The romance scene was basically just to have a final moment with Liara, because in a few hours they're gonna enter the Sol System and the final fight for Earth will begin, so there won't be any more time to say goodbye to each other (except that they did eventually find a time to do this). Even when Liara was showing her time capsule to Shepard, there was this sad atmosphere in the air, that basically she and he knows that this time capsule is for when everybody will die, and nobody could tell the story and warn about the Reapers. They both know that this is gonna happen.

That's why I think it's so important for the EC to give us a moment for Liara and Shepard that's just for them, now with the threat of the Reapers over and done with. A moment where they could just talk about their future and simply enjoy each other's company without thoughts of the Reapers looming over their heads just once.

Here's hoping. As long as it does't take shepard 10, 20 or 30 years to find and reconcile with Liara.
Actually they were times in Me2 and Me3 where they discussed their future such as a conversation in me2 that:
Shepard jokes about marrying, growing old and having "lots of little blue children."

@Aristobulus

Yeah Me3 is dark enough so the ending shouldn't be this dark.

Also:

Modifié par shepard1038, 03 juin 2012 - 08:09 .

[TheDonk95]

It's why there so strongly needed to be a happy ending though - there was supposed to be some catharsis, a release from all this negativity. It wasn't supposed to just be bleak and depressing from start to finish, there's supposed to be a moment of triumph, a light at the end of the tunnel - and especially for Liara and Shepard that light does not exist and it's horrible for a player to go through.

Instead it's like you start out at a light, but the tunnel just gets darker and darker until in pure darkness you hit a dead end and the tunnel caves in behind you. That's not how things are supposed to be.

The lack of happy ending is one of the main reasons why the ending was horrible (for me personally). I wanted to see Shepard survives, and reuniting with Liara, doing things they couldn't when the Reapers were a threat. Death shouldn't be unavoidable. There should be an option for those who did everything right through the entire trilogy.
The sad thing is, that I was complete sure that there will be such an option, and that I will see Liara visiting Shepard at the Hospital after a long long battle, watching her kiss him on the lips while he is half unconscious.

Modifié par TheDonk95, 03 juin 2012 - 08:10 .

[aletto]

Personally, I could've dealt with Shepard's death if it had been explained properly. Are you familiar with the Deus Ex series? Each game had various endings, none of them was perfect, you could even DIE, but it made sense. The games had proper endings, with explanations, why you did this, why you believe in that.
The whole Mass Effect storyline is rather unlikely, so they might as well do a happy ending. With lots of little blue children. Yeah.

Modifié par aletto, 03 juin 2012 - 08:50 .

[TheDonk95]

aletto wrote...

Personally, I could've dealt with Shepard's death if it had been explained properly. Are you familiar with the Deus Ex series? Each game had various endings, none of them was perfect, you could even DIE, but it made sense. The games had proper endings, with explanations, why you did this, why you believe in that.
The whole Mass Effect storyline is rather unlikely, so they might as well do a happy ending. With lots of little blue children. Yeah.

Yeah I heard that Deus Ex HR's ending is better than Mass Effect 3's ending (I didn't play DEHR)...
There's nothing wrong with an option of having Shepard survives, if you did everything correctly throughout the trilogy.
It's called getting rewarded for your hard job.

[shepard1038]

TheDonk95 wrote...

aletto wrote...

Personally, I could've dealt with Shepard's death if it had been explained properly. Are you familiar with the Deus Ex series? Each game had various endings, none of them was perfect, you could even DIE, but it made sense. The games had proper endings, with explanations, why you did this, why you believe in that.
The whole Mass Effect storyline is rather unlikely, so they might as well do a happy ending. With lots of little blue children. Yeah.

Yeah I heard that Deus Ex HR's ending is better than Mass Effect 3's ending (I didn't play DEHR)...
There's nothing wrong with an option of having Shepard survives, if you did everything correctly throughout the trilogy.
It's called getting rewarded for your hard job.

I agree with you. For example for all three games I went full paragon and did all the correct choices hoping to
get and ending where shepard and most of the Normandy crew and races survived. For gods sake I arrive
at the end with almost 7,000 war assets. So i I put that much effort to get a happy ending then why shouldn't I
get a happy ending?

Modifié par shepard1038, 03 juin 2012 - 09:00 .

[lillitheris]

MidnightRaith wrote...

Is color preference really linked to gender by the subconscious? My mother dressed me up in pretty pink dresses, bows and the whole she-bang.

Not really, but it could be. Pink — seen as vibrant and adventurous — used to be boys’ color, as late as 1900 I think. The subdued and even blue was for girls.

[Rolling Flame]

TheDonk95 wrote...

aletto wrote...

Personally, I could've dealt with Shepard's death if it had been explained properly. Are you familiar with the Deus Ex series? Each game had various endings, none of them was perfect, you could even DIE, but it made sense. The games had proper endings, with explanations, why you did this, why you believe in that.
The whole Mass Effect storyline is rather unlikely, so they might as well do a happy ending. With lots of little blue children. Yeah.

Yeah I heard that Deus Ex HR's ending is better than Mass Effect 3's ending (I didn't play DEHR)...
There's nothing wrong with an option of having Shepard survives, if you did everything correctly throughout the trilogy.
It's called getting rewarded for your hard job.

Heavy risk... but the Priiiize!

I'll be going now.

[CrazyGreggy]

New fic is almost done, parts 1 and 2 up. More serious than the previous ones, hoping for some feedback.

Close Enough To Touch, Part 1

Close Enough To Touch, Part 2

Bah, ToP with shameless self-promotion. Liara is sceptical

Modifié par CrazyGreggy, 03 juin 2012 - 10:26 .

[Obsidian Gryphon]

shepard1038 wrote...

I agree with you. For example for all three games I went full paragon and did all the correct choices hoping to
get and ending where shepard and most of the Normandy crew and races survived. For gods sake I arrive
at the end with almost 7,000 war assets. So i I put that much effort to get a happy ending then why shouldn't I
get a happy ending?

This.  Same pattern for many ME fans. Hours, days and years put in. And BW put out gibberish. *snort*