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[Tyranniac]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Which is the reason I like Rae's portrayal so much in "Can Wait". It's alien, he expands on the Asari, without inserting traits into them that make no sense being there. Everything he does with the Asari to make them more alien, completely fits with the canon in game.

Agree very much.

[TheDonk95]

F*ck.... Well I'm having troubles uploading pictures to this thread because I fail at internet and somehow I can't delete this URL so just ignore this post
Damnit I really wanted to upload some pictures for you guys

EDIT:
Sorry for being so dumb, just open these links if you wanna see the pictures. Also just press right click and then 'Show Picture' to see the picture in the URL above that somewhy I can't delete. God your'e probably thinking that I'm a moron who doesn't shut up..

http://browse.devian...et=144#/d1iyufn

http://revan654.devi...ar liara&qo=547
http://graceyn.devia...ra tsoni&qo=121

Modifié par TheDonk95, 04 juin 2012 - 08:54 .

[Fox In The Box]

TheDonk95 wrote...



F*ck.... Well I'm having troubles uploading pictures to this thread because I fail at internet and somehow I can't delete this URL so just ignore this post
Damnit I really wanted to upload some pictures for you guys
http://graceyn.devia...ra tsoni&qo=121

There you go!

Modifié par Fox In The Box, 04 juin 2012 - 08:55 .

[Akernis]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Ajosraa wrote...

Ok sorry guys, this has been bottled up a bit...

Thing is, there's a balance that needs to be struck. And it bugs me that so many people hate the Asari because they just see them as blue women - just look at any Asari/Liara hate thread - and it's worse when people *write* the Asari as just blue women.

But true, the other extreme is also bad. Writing the Asari/Liara with abilities and characteristics that are frankly, out of character and not traits they actually have, or even make sense for them to have, just because you want them to be alien.

Which is the reason I like Rae's portrayal so much in "Can Wait". It's alien, he expands on the Asari, without inserting traits into them that make no sense being there. Everything he does with the Asari to make them more alien, completely fits with the canon in game.

Agreed here as well.

p.s. I thought Rae was a "she"

[lillitheris]

Aristobulus500 wrote...
But true, the other extreme is also bad. Writing the Asari/Liara with abilities and characteristics that are frankly, out of character and not traits they actually have, or even make sense for them to have, just because you want them to be alien.

What doesn’t make sense is how they’re anything like humans. So that criterion can pretty much just be ignored.

And yes, Rae is a she.

Modifié par lillitheris, 04 juin 2012 - 08:56 .

[TrulyInnovative]

What doesn’t make sense is how they’re anything like humans. So that criterion can pretty much just be ignored.

On one hand, I can't help but agree with the view that the Asari were created to be space babes and draw in the male audience to ME. On the other hand, my suspension of disbelief works well when playing the game or reading ME fanfics and this doesn't really bother me. Besides, Liara and Samara are great characters in their own right.

[shepard1038]

Wow just now i could catch up.

Im surprised that people think that Commander Shepard will be the same person after the war.
No human being can withstand that physiological trauma and remain unchanged not even shepard.I could see shepard having nightmares but no, people have shepard after the war perfectly fine like nothing happen.You might as well put shepard as a celebrity after the war.

Modifié par shepard1038, 04 juin 2012 - 10:14 .

[Arcataye]

shepard1038 wrote...

Wow just now i could catch up.
Im surprised that people think that Commander Shepard will be the same person after the war.
No human being can withstand that physiological trauma and remain unchanged not even shepard.I could see shepard having nightmares.

Tyranniac's version of Shepard after the war is what I think will happen to her/him. See his sig for links.

[Aristobulus500]

shepard1038 wrote...

Wow just now i could catch up.

Im surprised that people think that Commander Shepard will be the same person after the war.
No human being can withstand that physiological trauma and remain unchanged not even shepard.I could see shepard having nightmares but no, people have shepard after the war perfectly fine like nothing happen.You might as well put shepard as a celebrity after the war.

Bah! That's just more grimdark nonsense that gave us these endings in the first place. Mass Effect is a sci fi heroic space opera, so of course people don't want to deal with a PTSD Shepard after the war. They want a heroic happy ending, just like Star Wars provided.

Edit - It's escapism. Bringing up these mental disorders is too much realism. ME is not hard sci fi.

Modifié par Aristobulus500, 04 juin 2012 - 10:27 .

[Akernis]

shepard1038 wrote...

Wow just now i could catch up.
Im surprised that people think that Commander Shepard will be the same person after the war.
No human being can withstand that physiological trauma and remain unchanged not even shepard.I could see shepard having nightmares.

No human being could do half the things that Shepard does in the games, never mind remaining near perfectly well afterwards. A willing suspense of disbelief is required. 

Shepard has killed hundreds or even more soldiers, synthetics, krogans, collectors and husks to pick a few highlights. As well as dozens of Thresher Maws (possibly on foot) and faced down a Reaper Destroyer on foot.
Not to mention having an alien vision burned into his/her mind without being adversively affected, near single handidly uniting most of the galaxy, and come out not only sane but complelty healthy (physically, mentally and emotionally) after dying.   
I personally think a strong mind that can withstand some psychological trauma is not that far a stretch.
As Liara puts it "A lesser mind would have been utterly destroyed by the process, you must be remarkably strong willed Commander"

But that point aside we know that Shepard does have nightmares, and yes of course Shepard has been affected by what has happened, the good as well as the bad, but I don't really see it changing who he/she is.  

[PMC65]

shepard1038 wrote...

Wow just now i could catch up.

Im surprised that people think that Commander Shepard will be the same person after the war.
No human being can withstand that physiological trauma and remain unchanged not even shepard.I could see shepard having nightmares but no, people have shepard after the war perfectly fine like nothing happen.You might as well put shepard as a celebrity after the war.

Not only Shepard but all of the team. Each of them would walk away changed from their time in the trenches. It has always made me wonder how Liara will suffer once all the dust has settles. Starting with the loss of her mother, blood on her hands, destruction of her homeworld, loss of loved ones, etc. etc. etc.

The asari on the Citadel asking for a gun has experienced even less then Liara and it broke her.

Symptoms of PTSD fall into three main categories:

1. "Reliving" the event, which disturbs day-to-day activity

Flashback episodes, where the event seems to be happening again and again

Repeated upsetting memories of the event

Repeated nightmares of the event

Strong, uncomfortable reactions to situations that remind you of the event[/list]

2. Avoidance

Emotional "numbing," or feeling as though you don't care about anything

Feeling detached

Being unable to remember important aspects of the trauma

Having a lack of interest in normal activities

Showing less of your moods

Avoiding places, people, or thoughts that remind you of the event

Feeling like you have no future[/list]

3. Arousal

Difficulty concentrating

Startling easily

Having an exaggerated response to things that startle you

Feeling more aware (hypervigilance)

Feeling irritable or having outbursts of anger

Having trouble falling or staying asleep[/list]
You might feel guilt about the event (including "survivor guilt"). You might also have some of the following


symptoms, which are typical of anxiety, stress, and tension:

Agitation or excitability

Dizziness

Fainting

Feeling your heart beat in your chest

Headache

[shepard1038]

Arcataye wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Wow just now i could catch up.
Im surprised that people think that Commander Shepard will be the same person after the war.
No human being can withstand that physiological trauma and remain unchanged not even shepard.I could see shepard having nightmares.

Tyranniac's version of Shepard after the war is what I think will happen to her/him. See his sig for links.

Well close enough although i don't agree with shepard being indoctrinated and fighting indoctrination it seems likeit follows the indoctrination theory and i think it goes against lore but besides that i enjoy it.

[Tyranniac]

shepard1038 wrote...

Arcataye wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Wow just now i could catch up.
Im surprised that people think that Commander Shepard will be the same person after the war.
No human being can withstand that physiological trauma and remain unchanged not even shepard.I could see shepard having nightmares.

Tyranniac's version of Shepard after the war is what I think will happen to her/him. See his sig for links.

Well close enough although i don't agree with shepard being indoctrinated and fighting indoctrination it seems likeit follows the indoctrination theory and i think it goes against lore but besides that i enjoy it.

My fanfic has nothing at all to do with IT.

[shepard1038]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Wow just now i could catch up.

Im surprised that people think that Commander Shepard will be the same person after the war.
No human being can withstand that physiological trauma and remain unchanged not even shepard.I could see shepard having nightmares but no, people have shepard after the war perfectly fine like nothing happen.You might as well put shepard as a celebrity after the war.

Bah! That's just more grimdark nonsense that gave us these endings in the first place. Mass Effect is a sci fi heroic space opera, so of course people don't want to deal with a PTSD Shepard after the war. They want a heroic happy ending, just like Star Wars provided.

Edit - It's escapism. Bringing up these mental disorders is too much realism. ME is not hard sci fi.

What the endings have to do with that? Also shepard is a hero and a strong willed person but no human can takethat and remain unchanged. God no i want a happy ending but not like Star Wars. You see the effects of PTSDalready in me3, the final battle with the reapers is as traumatic as all the things shepard has done in all three games. Mass Effect is a hard sci fi, star wars is a space opera but it doesn't matter because its opinion. 

[shepard1038]

Tyranniac wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Arcataye wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Wow just now i could catch up.
Im surprised that people think that Commander Shepard will be the same person after the war.
No human being can withstand that physiological trauma and remain unchanged not even shepard.I could see shepard having nightmares.

Tyranniac's version of Shepard after the war is what I think will happen to her/him. See his sig for links.

Well close enough although i don't agree with shepard being indoctrinated and fighting indoctrination it seems likeit follows the indoctrination theory and i think it goes against lore but besides that i enjoy it.

My fanfic has nothing at all to do with IT.

Well if not then the only thing i don't like is shepard being indoctrinated but besides that i finded it good.

[Tyranniac]

shepard1038 wrote...
What the endings have to do with that? Also shepard is a hero and a strong willed person but no human can takethat and remain unchanged. God no i want a happy ending but not like Star Wars. You see the effects of PTSDalready in me3, the final battle with the reapers is as traumatic as all the things shepard has done in all three games. Mass Effect is a hard sci fi, star wars is a space opera but it doesn't matter because its opinion. 

Agree. There should be psychological aftereffects on Shepard, but still a happy ending.

shepard1038 wrote...
Well if not then the only thing i don't like is shepard being indoctrinated but besides that i finded it good.

 

Shepard isn't indoctrinated, she's just figthing of the remnants of having been partially indoctrinated. Don't see anything wrong with that. Not everything involving a bit of indoctrination is IT.

Modifié par Tyranniac, 04 juin 2012 - 10:57 .

[Sarcastic Tasha]

I actually don't actually think its that unlikely that an alien species would have a lot in common with us (in ME it isn't just the asari, they look most like us but the others behave a lot like us). We've evolved perfectly to fit our environment, so its logical to assume that a species with a similar environment would evolve in a similar way. On QI they showed a picture of what looked like a hedgehog, but it wasn't, it was a tenrec. The tenrec lives in Madagascar and evolved independently from the hedgehog but because of similar conditions it evolved in a similar way. I've probably mentioned this before but I think its a pretty good analogy.

As for Shepard's mental state after the war, my canon Shepard was pretty messed up after Mindoir anyway. She shut out her emotions and avoided serious relationships so she wouldn't have to feel the pain of losing anyone else. Falling for Liara took her completely by surprise and frightened the hell out of her. She wouldn't be able to cope if she lost Liara, but so long as Liara's okay Shepard still has a reason to get out of bed in the morning.

[lillitheris]

Y’all being a little overdramatic. Life goes on.

Clinically speaking, it’s estimated that about 30-40% of combat troops in significant conflicts like WWII, Vietnam will have some clear PTSD symptoms, and ‘only’ about half of those experience debilitating problems for some period.

Plus Future Medicine™.

[lillitheris]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I actually don't actually think its that unlikely that an alien species would have a lot in common with us (in ME it isn't just the asari, they look most like us but the others behave a lot like us). We've evolved perfectly to fit our environment, so its logical to assume that a species with a similar environment would evolve in a similar way. On QI they showed a picture of what looked like a hedgehog, but it wasn't, it was a tenrec. The tenrec lives in Madagascar and evolved independently from the hedgehog but because of similar conditions it evolved in a similar way. I've probably mentioned this before but I think its a pretty good analogy.

Similar conditions within the same contained system is nothing like two planets. The human brain isn’t really made to comprehend the staggering amount of time and variables that are in play in evolution.

Modifié par lillitheris, 04 juin 2012 - 11:26 .

[shepard1038]

@Tyranniac
Yeah i agree. But how much of a happy ending is when you have before the ending billions dead
Thessia, Palaven, kahje, dekuuna, ect, hit hard by the reapers and khar'shan destroyed by the reapersand thats just naming the homeworlds.I though that because that doesn't follow the established endings and because shepard appears fighting indoctrination. Also i complimented your fan fic can you take the compliment? 
edit: sorry by the grammar im not in my computer at the moment.

Modifié par shepard1038, 04 juin 2012 - 11:34 .

[Tyranniac]

shepard1038 wrote...

@Tyranniac
Yeah i agree. But how much of a happy ending is when you have before the ending billions dead
Thessia, Palaven, kahje, dekuuna, ect, hit hard by the reapers and khar'shan destroyed by the reapersand thats just naming the homeworlds.I though that because that doesn't follow the established endings and because shepard appears fighting indoctrination. Also i complimented your fan fic can you take the compliment? 
edit: sorry by the grammar im not in my computer at the moment.

Sorry, I didn't mean to come off as rude! 

I appreciate that you took the time to comment, I just wanted to clarify what I intended!

I'm glad you liked it anyway! 

[shepard1038]

 

lillitheris wrote...

Y’all being a little overdramatic. Life goes on.

Clinically speaking, it’s estimated that about 30-40% of combat troops in significant conflicts like WWII, Vietnam will have some clear PTSD symptoms, and ‘only’ about half of those experience debilitating problems for some period.

Plus Future Medicine™.

Well shepard has been through a lot but im saying is that i see shepard in the short term after the war with PTSD and having nightmares not that he'll spent all his life with physiological problems and you take in to account
also that he gets badly injured. im sure that shepard in the breath scene can't wait hours. i say that shepard is badly burned and bleeding a lot of blood. Im sorry but world war 2 is small compared to the reaper war.

Modifié par shepard1038, 04 juin 2012 - 11:46 .

[shepard1038]

Tyranniac wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

@Tyranniac
Yeah i agree. But how much of a happy ending is when you have before the ending billions dead
Thessia, Palaven, kahje, dekuuna, ect, hit hard by the reapers and khar'shan destroyed by the reapersand thats just naming the homeworlds.I though that because that doesn't follow the established endings and because shepard appears fighting indoctrination. Also i complimented your fan fic can you take the compliment? 
edit: sorry by the grammar im not in my computer at the moment.

Sorry, I didn't mean to come off as rude! 

I appreciate that you took the time to comment, I just wanted to clarify what I intended!

I'm glad you liked it anyway! 

No hard feelings keep em coming!

[Jebel Krong]

lillitheris wrote...

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I actually don't actually think its that unlikely that an alien species would have a lot in common with us (in ME it isn't just the asari, they look most like us but the others behave a lot like us). We've evolved perfectly to fit our environment, so its logical to assume that a species with a similar environment would evolve in a similar way. On QI they showed a picture of what looked like a hedgehog, but it wasn't, it was a tenrec. The tenrec lives in Madagascar and evolved independently from the hedgehog but because of similar conditions it evolved in a similar way. I've probably mentioned this before but I think its a pretty good analogy.

Similar conditions within the same contained system is nothing like two planets. The human brain isn’t really made to comprehend the staggering amount of time and variables that are in play in evolution.

the odds of convergent evolution are literally astronomical, especially as we find more and more life can develop pretty much anywhere. in fiction though it seems to happen a lot, at least the asari have a unique spin.

Edited for top image:

Credit muju

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 05 juin 2012 - 12:08 .

[moreeman06]

 Hey you guys i just want to say i'm watching NCIS:LA right now and at the end of the episode one of the characters was playing ME2  they were on Ilium but i can't tell exactly from the short clip whether it was Samara's recruitment mission or LOTSB