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[Akernis]

moreeman06 wrote...

 Hey you guys i just want to say i'm watching NCIS:LA right now and at the end of the episode one of the characters was playing ME2  they were on Ilium but i can't tell exactly from the short clip whether it was Samara's recruitment mission or LOTSB

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[shepard1038]

@frudiI don't think so shepard has been through more than Liara and if you chose the colony or earth
background it surpasses Liara even more and to be fair you see shepard having nightmares not
Liara so shepard has been affected more and to top it of shepard gets injured badly and if help doesn't come shepard will die. Whats a shrink?

Actually ashley is more tragic and they are other characters that have it worse.I think you are being over dramatic they will be fine. When i said of shepard physiological problems post war i meant onthe short term i said that because they are a lot of people that put shepard and Liara one month after the war like the war didn't have any effect on them.

Also did you saw shepard's expression on Thessia?

edit: I was remembering of a concept art of shepard resting on the Li hands shepard being dead or unconsciousthat i wanted to post but couldn't find it .

Modifié par shepard1038, 05 juin 2012 - 01:06 .

[Akernis]

While she was affected by Shepard's (temporary) death Liara shows no sign of of being psychologically affected as soon as she opens up to Shepard again in LotSB.

While of course it would affect them I don't think that either Shepard or Liara would carry psychological scars after the war. Beyond Shepard's occasional nightmares and their stress of being in a war neither appears to me to be affected deeply enough that it would haunt them afterwards.

As said not everyone gets PTSD and it is not equally severe for those who do.
 
I may simply be optimisitc but, I think that Shepard will have at worst some nightmares from time to time and that Liara will be fine.

[Tyranniac]

Akernis wrote...

While she was affected by Shepard's (temporary) death Liara shows no sign of of being psychologically affected as soon as she opens up to Shepard again in LotSB.

While of course it would affect them I don't think that either Shepard or Liara would carry psychological scars after the war. Beyond Shepard's occasional nightmares and their stress of being in a war neither appears to me to be affected deeply enough that it would haunt them afterwards.

As said not everyone gets PTSD and it is not equally severe for those who do.
 
I may simply be optimisitc but, I think that Shepard will have at worst some nightmares from time to time and that Liara will be fine.

I think Shepard will have issues, maybe Liara but less likely, but I think they will get through it and live a good life together.

[rubynorman]

 In Peace.by Whalec
My favorite Liara's armor after the LotSB coat.

Modifié par rubynorman, 05 juin 2012 - 02:00 .

[Tyranniac]

frudi wrote...

Well, that's kind of my point - I too believe they will both eventually be OK, but that's precisely because they have each other. I just happen to think that all they've been through is sure to leave more of a mark than just some occasional nightmares, and not just for Shepard.

As far as Liara is concerned - I think why we don't see her being affected in ME3 (well, since LotSB actually) is because she's keeping herself distracted with work and we don't see her having nightmares simply because we're playing through Shepard's eyes, not Liara's.
But we do see through some of her dialogues that she's obviously stressed and tired of the war and that she still hasn't gotten over Benezia's death. She obviously hasn't dealt with the destruction of Thessia either. And while it seems like she may have at least somewhat gotten over losing Shepard once, I do not doubt she's terrified of losing her again (a fear I think would persist even after the end of the war).
Now, we could just wave this all away as "bah, she can handle it, it's an asari thing", but I just can't so easily dismiss it. I think that once things settle down, all of the horrors of the past couple of years will come to haunt them and they will have to deal with them. And as I've said, I like to imagine that it's Liara's and Shepard's bond, meaning both their love and the act of melding itself, that eventually helps them overcome these nightmares. It just seems fitting and appropriate for them...

Exactly.

Modifié par Tyranniac, 05 juin 2012 - 02:10 .

[DevilBeast]

Akernis wrote...


@DarkCloudd: While it is a nice idea I think that a Bondmate Ceremony should be done in the happier times after the war. 
My impression of the term Bondmate would be more akin to "lover" or "soulmate" than married couple so I don't think that it would require any official acknowledgement. 
 

Hmmm... That might be the case, but from what I´ve seen in Samara´s Shadow Brooker files, I suspect "bondmate" is the asari version of marriage.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

DevilBeast wrote...

Akernis wrote...


@DarkCloudd: While it is a nice idea I think that a Bondmate Ceremony should be done in the happier times after the war. 
My impression of the term Bondmate would be more akin to "lover" or "soulmate" than married couple so I don't think that it would require any official acknowledgement. 
 

Hmmm... That might be the case, but from what I´ve seen in Samara´s Shadow Brooker files, I suspect "bondmate" is the asari version of marriage.

I'm wondering if there's some form of endearment or perhaps formal address Asari call their bondmates. Thane used Siha which I think is more or less common among the Drell or something of his own (humans would use their own wacky  titles for their other half of course). So what do you think Shep and Liara would call each other?

[Brooks Mac]

Liara with peircings, LMAO!

[DarkCloudd]

I guess I should have been a little more specific about what I was refering to.

This dialogue in the Embassy makes it sound different at least in the legal sense. The Embassy Clerk specifically states that they keep records of all Formal relationships with Asari. Are they meaning they only do that on the Citadel or is that something done throughout the entire Asari Republics? The game wasn't very specific. I wasn't meaning there should have been some huge elaborate ceremony, Shepard doesn't have time for that and I'm pretty sure most Shepards are not that public about their relationships.

Maybe my imagination is just running away with me but I just thought it would have made an interesting dynamic for a completely faithful Shepard.

And yes PMC you should have the option to turn it down and not negatively effect your relationship with Liara. You really make me wonder sometimes, You don't want Blue Babies and now you are turning down Bondmate questions? You are one strange person.

[TheDonk95]

It is pretty obvious that in real life (and you'll understand in a second why I'm saying 'real life'), that a person who have gotten through so much, seen so many friend die, and killed so many people, will have mental issues and probably flashbacks of the war. It happens alot to soldier who experienced wars like WW2 and saw their friends die horribly and after the war the have deep mental problems.
Not, I gave an example of real life, just to point out that Mass Effect isn't real life, obviously. First of all, as we all know, Shepard has an incredible willpower, he is fighting indoctrination and he is able to recruit the entire galaxy for his cause. This man has a strong brain and he won't have mental problems so easly. Secondly, (and this is probably the biggest reason), is that Shepard is a fictional characer, a video game character, and you don't have the hero of a video game having mental problems after the war, because it just won't fit. Imagine having Marcus Fenix from Gears of War being strapped to a bed in Gears of War 3 because of all the dead he has seen in Gears 1 and 2 and in the comic books. It just won't fit.
But I agree with what 'shepard' said. There is alot of logic in what he is saying, in theory. This just won't happen because it doesn't fit.

[Tyranniac]

TheDonk95 wrote...

It is pretty obvious that in real life (and you'll understand in a second why I'm saying 'real life'), that a person who have gotten through so much, seen so many friend die, and killed so many people, will have mental issues and probably flashbacks of the war. It happens alot to soldier who experienced wars like WW2 and saw their friends die horribly and after the war the have deep mental problems.
Not, I gave an example of real life, just to point out that Mass Effect isn't real life, obviously. First of all, as we all know, Shepard has an incredible willpower, he is fighting indoctrination and he is able to recruit the entire galaxy for his cause. This man has a strong brain and he won't have mental problems so easly. Secondly, (and this is probably the biggest reason), is that Shepard is a fictional characer, a video game character, and you don't have the hero of a video game having mental problems after the war, because it just won't fit. Imagine having Marcus Fenix from Gears of War being strapped to a bed in Gears of War 3 because of all the dead he has seen in Gears 1 and 2 and in the comic books. It just won't fit.
But I agree with what 'shepard' said. There is alot of logic in what he is saying, in theory. This just won't happen because it doesn't fit.

Having problems isn't the same as being raving mad. <_<

Of course Shepard is strong willed. That's why I'm saying she'd have issues, but not enough to prevent her from living a normal life, at least not with Liara's support.

[TheDonk95]

Tyranniac wrote..
Having problems isn't the same as being raving mad. <_<

Of course Shepard is strong willed. That's why I'm saying she'd have issues, but not enough to prevent her from living a normal life, at least not with Liara's support.

As I said, I do agree that Shepard might have slight problems because of the past, but I also agree with you, that with Liara's support and help, it probably won't affect his life, and it will be normal for him.

Modifié par TheDonk95, 05 juin 2012 - 04:44 .

[Yuqi]

[shepard1038]

When i said mental problems i didn't mean shepard will take a baseball bat and start to break things.
Im getting worried about Liara because it seems she hasn't begun to process things and that she
uses work to distract herself from all the things that has happened.

Shepard isn't like that because he/she has friends that help him through tough times and he/she process things as things happened it seems Liara process things much slower and i also could see Liara having trouble letting go as being the shadow broker post war. Well maybe it could seen out of place, but i think it would seem like more out of place seeing shepard one week after the war dancing and drinking at a bar. What i would like to see is shepard talking with Liara about their future and discussing about what has happened.

Also im only talking short term because they are strong willed but i see shepard and Liara living a normal life.But lets be honest shepard needs Liara as much as Liara needs shepard

Modifié par shepard1038, 05 juin 2012 - 04:52 .

[PMC65]

DarkCloudd wrote...
*snip*
And yes PMC you should have the option to turn it down and not negatively effect your relationship with Liara. You really make me wonder sometimes, You don't want Blue Babies and now you are turning down Bondmate questions? You are one strange person.

Not every one wants to get married and have kids ... EW Shepard and I share that in common.

And in my headcanon both Shepard and Liara will have damages but that does not mean looney bins or screaming moments. Each will work through them but to say that they will be the same after? No. We are all changed by events in our lives and so are these two characters (everyone in the ME3 universe).
 
Liara will receive help on Thessia and Shepard back on Earth ... two unhealthy units do not make one healthy unit so for me the melding would not be applicable here. Melding is not healing. But at the end of the day they are both survivors and would ... like so many others ... live productive lives after the war. There would just be a time needed for healing.

Now if others want to see them melding to sanity ... or not having any issues ... or going completely mad ... OK! It's your universe! Rock on!

[TheDonk95]

PMC65 wrote...


And in my headcanon both Shepard and Liara will have damages but that does not mean looney bins or screaming moments. Each will work through them but to say that they will be the same after? No. We are all changed by events in our lives and so are these two characters (everyone in the ME3 universe).
 
Liara will receive help on Thessia and Shepard back on Earth ... two unhealthy units do not make one healthy unit so for me the melding would not be applicable here. Melding is not healing. But at the end of the day they are both survivors and would ... like so many others ... live productive lives after the war. There would just be a time needed for healing.

This is exactly my headcanon! You are I share the same thoughts ...
'You share the wisdom of the Matriach, PMC. That's exactly what Benezia said.....'

[shepard1038]

TheDonk95 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...


And in my headcanon both Shepard and Liara will have damages but that does not mean looney bins or screaming moments. Each will work through them but to say that they will be the same after? No. We are all changed by events in our lives and so are these two characters (everyone in the ME3 universe).
 
Liara will receive help on Thessia and Shepard back on Earth ... two unhealthy units do not make one healthy unit so for me the melding would not be applicable here. Melding is not healing. But at the end of the day they are both survivors and would ... like so many others ... live productive lives after the war. There would just be a time needed for healing.

This is exactly my headcanon! You are I share the same thoughts ...
'You share the wisdom of the Matriach, PMC. That's exactly what Benezia said.....'

Thats exactly how i would envision Liara and Shepard after the war!
It seems we think the same way.

edit: hey maybe we can do a project together of a post war fan fic.

Modifié par shepard1038, 05 juin 2012 - 05:50 .

[moreeman06]

shepard1038 wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...


And in my headcanon both Shepard and Liara will have damages but that does not mean looney bins or screaming moments. Each will work through them but to say that they will be the same after? No. We are all changed by events in our lives and so are these two characters (everyone in the ME3 universe).
 
Liara will receive help on Thessia and Shepard back on Earth ... two unhealthy units do not make one healthy unit so for me the melding would not be applicable here. Melding is not healing. But at the end of the day they are both survivors and would ... like so many others ... live productive lives after the war. There would just be a time needed for healing.

This is exactly my headcanon! You are I share the same thoughts ...
'You share the wisdom of the Matriach, PMC. That's exactly what Benezia said.....'

Thats exactly how i would envision Liara and Shepard after the war!
It seems we think the same way.

edit: hey maybe we can do a project together of a post war fan fic.

PMC it looks like you have actual supporters now.....

On the other hand I think i finally broke out of my writing slump, just went through a thousand words in the past hour and I don't plan on stopping anytime soon.  and don't worry PMC and horde there are no blue baby's in this one

[TheDonk95]

@moreman, I'm waiting for it in full tense!

[moreeman06]

TheDonk95 wrote...

@moreman, I'm waiting for it in full tense!

If you want i can give you a peak at what i have write now (stupid spelling pun intended)

[Han Shot First]

On Shepard, Liara, and PTSD...

The figure of 30 to 40 percent of veterans experiencing PTSD is probably much lower than the actual percentage who experience some form of PTSD, because the number of people who report symptoms or need to be evacuated in combat is much smaller than the number of people who experience mild symptoms and are functional, and do not seek medical attention. Hypervigilance, nightmares, increased aloofness or irritability, survivor's guilt...all them are fairly common experiences that usually do not get reported, because for most people they don't interfere with day to day living.  Also for many people the symptoms subside or disappear entirely over time.

The more intense the conflict or battle the higher percentage of people who experience  some form of psychological trauma. During the Battle of Okinawa for example, a protracted battle of attrition that also was the bloodiest battle in the Pacific Theater in WW2, there were 26,000 cases of people being evacuated for combat fatigue alone. And that just accounts for the people who had experienced severe symptoms, not those who stayed on the line and returned home with lingering nightmares and such.

A common argument put forth on the BSN against Shepard having those nightmares, is that he's such a 'big godamned hero' that nothing should phase him. Unfortunately that viewpoint is a little out of touch with reality. Whether or not a person experiences some form of PTSD is in no way dependent on their level of personal bravery. As an example, Audie Murphy, a Medal of Honor recipient and the most decorated American soldier in World War Two, famously suffered for years from nightmares and bouts of insomnia related to his combat experiences. Siegfried Sassoon, the British poet, was so recklessly brave during the First World War that he was nominated for the Victoria Cross and nicknamed 'Mad Jack' by his men. He was another famous sufferer of PTSD.
 
That being said, I don't think every post-war fanfic needs to focus on whether or not Shepard or Liara still suffers from PTSD. Fanfics are basically short stories and we are only seeing short glimpses of their lives. Whether or not they suffer from PTSD might be outside the scope of the story.

I just reject the argument that Shepard or Liara should be immune to it. They have been through too much to not have been affected by it in some way.

EDIT: Worst. Top. Ever.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 05 juin 2012 - 06:13 .

[Tyranniac]

Han Shot First wrote...

EDIT: Worst. Top. Ever.

Nah, we've had far worse. Also, well spoken.