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[Han Shot First]

TrulyInnovative wrote...

Speaking of PTSD, it's amazing how together Shepard is in the game considering (s)he was, well, resurrected. Talk about a plot point that wasn't really explored.

It is a shame it wasn't explored more in Mass Effect 2.

Although it was only touched on briefly, the dialogye exchange in Mass effect 3 when Shepard is accessing the Lazarus Project data files, and wonders if he's just a VI that thinks it is Commander Shepard is great. (especially if the exchange is with Liara)

[Ajosraa]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

[Off- Topic]:Here's something that I was wondering about, remember when that human soldier wanted to get her asari daughter shipped to Thessia to live with her mother's family because her human family were racist. I wonder if Shep and Liara had a daughter would the asari have a similar concept of legal guardianship of said child like humans have?

I know they keep track of asari bondmates, just wandering what asari offspring guardianship rules and laws would entail. The law usually looks more favourably towards the primary care-giver which is the mother, so would anyone think the asari would be like minded? (Double-tops, unexpected, hope this question is worthy:P)

Considering the long history of Asari taking alien partners, Id bet that long ago they setup some kind of system of Legal guardianship.

Though in the specific case of that human soldier's daughter, her wife's daughter is another asari I assume, So I dont know why they would have a problem getting to Thessia in the first place...now that I think about it. 

But if Liara and Shepard had a child I would think they would both maintain guardianship. Or legal documents would say.."this is Liara's child with Shepard". I think the child would have its "father" recorded in Asari birth records. Similar to birth records today.

The primary care giver would probably default to the Asari in most cases, unless there was abuse or something extreme I would imagine.

[Han Shot First]

Ajosraa wrote...

CrimsonN7 wrote...

[Off- Topic]:Here's something that I was wondering about, remember when that human soldier wanted to get her asari daughter shipped to Thessia to live with her mother's family because her human family were racist. I wonder if Shep and Liara had a daughter would the asari have a similar concept of legal guardianship of said child like humans have?

I know they keep track of asari bondmates, just wandering what asari offspring guardianship rules and laws would entail. The law usually looks more favourably towards the primary care-giver which is the mother, so would anyone think the asari would be like minded? (Double-tops, unexpected, hope this question is worthy:P)

Considering the long history of Asari taking alien partners, Id bet that long ago they setup some kind of system of Legal guardianship.

Though in the specific case of that human soldier's daughter, her wife's daughter is another asari I assume, So I dont know why they would have a problem getting to Thessia in the first place...now that I think about it. 

Maybe the Asari was from Illium originally, and not a citizen of the Asari Republics? If her family was on Thessia as refugees rather than as citizens, I could see that potentially creating red tape for the child.

I agree that if the Asari mother was a citizen of the Asari Republics, you would think it would have been easier to get the child to its relatives on Thessia.

[shepard1038]

(Off topic)

Do we know if a Ali Hillis is going to be on the EC? Im getting a little worried.

Modifié par shepard1038, 06 juin 2012 - 05:09 .

[MidnightRaith]

shepard1038 wrote...

(Off topic)

Do we know if a Ali Hillis is going to be on the EC? Im getting a little worried.

I think this is a PMC question.... Where are you, PMC?

[shepard1038]

MidnightRaith wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

(Off topic)

Do we know if a Ali Hillis is going to be on the EC? Im getting a little worried.

I think this is a PMC question.... Where are you, PMC?

What does PMC have to do with my question?

So do you know if Ali Hillis is going to be in the EC?

Modifié par shepard1038, 06 juin 2012 - 06:10 .

[PMC65]

MidnightRaith wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

(Off topic)

Do we know if a Ali Hillis is going to be on the EC? Im getting a little worried.

I think this is a PMC question.... Where are you, PMC?

*hears my name*

Yes?

I haven't seen a tweet on it but I've been really busy these past weeks so maybe someone else has seen her confirm?

If not, I would say that with Kaidan & Ash's VO's already drawn back into the studio the odds are in favor of her also going back into the studio.

[MidnightRaith]

@shepard1038: PMC follows Ali on Twitter, I believe, and goes to the events some of the ME VAs turn up at.

Anyway, maybe she's just being quiet on her involvement.

[TheDonk95]

So I just go to sleep and BSN gets 80% more evil?

[shepard1038]

PMC65 wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

(Off topic)

Do we know if a Ali Hillis is going to be on the EC? Im getting a little worried.

I think this is a PMC question.... Where are you, PMC?

*hears my name*

Yes?

I haven't seen a tweet on it but I've been really busy these past weeks so maybe someone else has seen her confirm?

If not, I would say that with Kaidan & Ash's VO's already drawn back into the studio the odds are in favor of her also going back into the studio.

I hope what yor saying is true.

I also found it strange that only Kaiden and Ash VO are the only ones confirmed that can't be the only ones that
are going to be in the EC. What about Garrus, Liara, Tali and others?

[shepard1038]

TheDonk95 wrote...

So I just go to sleep and BSN gets 80% more evil?

What do you mean?

[TheDonk95]

All the killing and burning Liara stuff that some people here said...

[Spartx9]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Is there any way to filter a thread by a certain users posts? Specifically - a while back when we discussed the dreams, I wrote up a long post about what I think the dreams should've done and I just wanna copy and paste it now but I don't know how to find that post.

Had to google my posts since I remember talking with you about it, but it's this one right?

Aristobulus500 wrote...

On the other hand, the dream sequences were one of the worst parts of the game and really failed to be meaningful at all. They were just a slog to get through so you could see the rest of the game, and they weren't emotional or moving at all, because you had no connection to the kid and he meant nothing to you.

It's not a coincidence that most people report the only part of the dreams that actually did disturb them was the voices of the crewmembers they had come to know and love, whispering to them.

To that end, I definitely say that Liara should've been included. First of all, the thing you must keep in mind is that this is a nightmare - it's supposed to be disturbing, not just to Shepard, but to the player as well. the player needs to be just as horrified and just as shocked as Shepard is, and just as glad to wake up from it, not because he's ****ing bored by the monotone but because it was really ****ing unpleasant and disturbing.

So, now that I've set the tone, let me describe how the dreams could've been done well - at least, I think so. First of all, scrap the useless ****ing kid. Keep the whispers of the dead. Change the location from a forest you don't recognize - have it be places familiar to the player - the Citadel, Illium, etc. Except as you wander around it, it's distorted in strange ways - it appears off. Discolored, or just warped, or parts of it lead to where it shouldn't.

If you want to keep Shepard chasing after a figure - change it up as the dreams progress. The first dream, he's chasing the shadow of the one killed on Vermire, before seeing them exploded by a bomb in front of his face.

The second, it's Mordin. If Shepard let Mordin cure the Genophage, Mordin just burns up in front of him like how the kid usually does in the original game. If Shepard killed Mordin, however, then Mordin is riddled with bullets and is just hurling accusations at Shep and asking him "why?" before he burns up. If Mordin didn't make it to ME3, I guess you can replace it with Padok Wiks.

The third and final nightmare? Go all out. This should be the most disturbing. It needs to focus around the LI though. Here's the thing, in the original game, the final nightmare has all the same flaws the other dreams do, except it's even worse because it's just out of place and inappropriate - Shepard goes from an emotional romance/sex scene with his lover, to that nightmare, then back to reality with his LI. The LI has nothing to do with them though, it just doesn't fit.

To stay with the theme, it should. Not to mention Shep's LI is going to be one of the characters most significant to Shep and the most powerful nightmare should regard them. So, in this dream, Shep is...say, the Citadel. Maybe the council chambers, or just some twisting halls of the wards. Doesn't really matter - but throughout this dream, he should be chasing after his LI. I'm gonna ruin with Liara for the sake of it, but the concept applies to whoever the LI is. So, he sees Liara, and runs toward her, but as he gets closer, Reaper forces appear and push her away.

Shepard follows them, and you hear the sounds of Liara fighting with them. At first it sounds like she's holding her own, but then things start to get worse and it sounds like she's being overwhelmed. Shepard catches up just in time to see her get taken down - but not killed - and a Banshee is picking up her battered - but still conscious and awake - body. Shepard gets blocked by a few cannibals or marauders or husks - basic Reaper forces, as the Banshee carries Liara off.

While you fight off these few forces, you hear Liara weakly protesting, perhaps apologizing to Shepard, or telling him to leave while he still can. After you defeat the the troops, Shepard catches up to the Banshee just in time to see it impale Liara, and toss her aside. Shepard has to fight the banshee, and because it's a dream, it's set to die easily so it's not a hard fight or something. Shep runs over to Liara, and she's still barely alive...but she's losing a ton of blood from various wounds, especially the wound from the Banshee, and worst of all, she's turning into a banshee. Her eyes are black, she looks up at Shepard, and pleads with him to end it before she fully transforms and turns against him.

Then Shepard wakes up, and looks over at Liara sleeping beside him - perfectly fine. Now, isn't that more fitting, more powerful, more moving, than the garbage we got? I think this would do a much better job of showing off the horrors of the war Shep is involved in, too, and the worst case scenarios the war could bring about, on Shepard and the people he cares about, personally. I think this would actually be a scene disturbing and moving to theplayer, too, not just Shepard.

In fact that's exactly why I suggest it. I, personally, would not in the slightest enjoy going through it. I would hate it, it would be painful. But that's the point. It's a nightmare. If I'm not disturbed, it's not doing its' job right.

Aside from actually being a nightmare, this also has the benefit of being coherent and consistent with the rest of the scenes - all 3 scenes would be centered around his LI, instead of going from LI -> No LI -> LI.

 

Been away from the forums lately, as been busy with moving and getting stuff all situated, but now I am back. Just need to catch up on teh 300 or so pages. that I've missed.

[Theodoro]

@Aristobulus' suggestions to the dream sequences:

I can't agree with you more - having such a dream would have had a much bigger impact on me personally, and I'm sure that it would have the same impact on most other players. The problem is that the game tries too hard to make you care for a child that you barely know when there was so much potential to do a really disturbing nightmare revolving around Shepard's LI and crew that was basically wasted. Regardless of whether BioWare would try to go for the Indoctrination Theory or simply play around with Shepard's guilt and fears, such dreams would have worked much better.

To add to your suggestions, I would love it if the dreams are even more haunting if Shepard lost people during the Suicide Mission. The more people died during the attack on the Collector Base, the more disturbing the dream would be - each of them shown for a brief amount of time, perhaps a few seconds, in the Collector Base as they fall to their deaths. Wrex would appear if he died on Virmire, as well, taking a prominent role in the nightmare. Moreover, I had a suggestion earlier in the thread that if Shepard has the background of the butcher of Torfan, for example, he/she would see his/her squad that was sent to their deaths coming back to haunt him/her. Maybe even a few pictures from Mindoir if he/she is a colonist, as well? Basically, the more deaths on Shepard's head through ME1-ME3, the more effective the dream would be - and it would be personalized for each player so that the dream would be able to affect precisely him or her.

And yes - since Shepard's LI is the dearest person to him/her, there should be a big emphasis on them. If anything will affect Shepard the most, it would be seeing disturbing images of his/her LI similar to the ones that you have given as an example. Overall, there was just so much potential for BioWare to make a really nice dream sequence, and if they really wanted to go for such an effect on the player, that's the route that they should have taken.

Modifié par Theodoro, 06 juin 2012 - 06:56 .

[DevilBeast]

TheDonk95 wrote...

So I just go to sleep and BSN gets 80% more evil?

Only 80% Seems like the haters are falling out of step.

[shepard1038]

TheDonk95 wrote...

All the killing and burning Liara stuff that some people here said...

Couldn't agree more.

[TheDonk95]

I also think that Aristobulu's suggestion for the dream sequences is very good. The whole purpose of the nightmares is to be frightning and to shock Shepard and us, the players, and that's not what the dream sequences did. If it would involve the people we've lost, during the Suicide Mission or during ME3, and even seeing your LI died or in Liara's case, being turned into a Banshee, it wouldv'e been much harder to watch. I gotta say that personally, if I watched something like Aristo described happening to Liara, I wouldn't start crying, but it would have been definatly really, really hard for me to watch it and I'd probably shut off the game and wouldn't have played it for some time. But, as you guys said, that is the whole purpose of the nightmares. Anyway, anything could have been better than what we got....

Modifié par TheDonk95, 06 juin 2012 - 07:12 .

[Aristobulus500]

Yes! That post was it exactly. I don't know how you found it, but thank you. Saved me some trouble. I'm going to save it so I don't have to dig next time.

[MidnightRaith]

I really wish there was a way to just mod the dream sequences out of the game. Not only are they obnoxious to me, but they remind of the endings and IT. Just, ugh... Aristobulus's idea is one I would love to see. It also reminds me of KotOR 2's Korriban Tomb with the scenes that haunted the Exile. Geez, this kind of thing has already been done, why not just improve on it instead of trying to force something on the player?

[Yuqi]

Oh look, apparently straight female players can't like the Liara romance.

http://social.biowar.../index/12442006

I know plenty of straight females who do like the romance so 

Modifié par Yuqi, 06 juin 2012 - 08:28 .

[lillitheris]

Yuqi wrote...

Oh look, apparently straight female players can't like the Liara romance.

http://social.biowar.../index/12442006

I don’t think that was quite the point of the thread :happy: They shouldn’t have to.

[lillitheris]

Theodoro wrote...

@Aristobulus' suggestions to the dream sequences:

I can't agree with you more - having such a dream would have had a much bigger impact on me personally, and I'm sure that it would have the same impact on most other players.

Here’s the problem: that’s what they thought the kid would do. It’s impossible to craft that kind of an emotional impact for all the possible varieties of characters. Just the surface variables completely independent of eachother: Shepard can be a caring or uncaring person, paragon or renegade, might love the LI or not. Might not have a LI. Might not care about the VS one bit.

It would have been far better to have a Shepard waking out of a nightmare and either muttering to themselves or the LI that they had one of “those dreams” again, and they’re getting worse.

[Yuqi]

lillitheris wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

Oh look, apparently straight female players can't like the Liara romance.

http://social.biowar.../index/12442006

I don’t think that was quite the point of the thread :happy: They shouldn’t have to.

There's Kaidan and Garus so they don't have to.

[Mystical Taurus]

In regards to the dream sequences, there's one potentially important reason the kid is in all three. If IT is true, then all three are about him to help signal indoctrination.

If IT if false, though, then yeah, those dream sequences were just terrible, especially having three of them.

EDIT:  I can't find any way of uploading a top of the page picture, sorry.

Modifié par Mystical Taurus, 06 juin 2012 - 10:11 .

[MidnightRaith]

Mystical Taurus wrote...

In regards to the dream sequences, there's one potentially important reason the kid is in all three. If IT is true, then all three are about him to help signal indoctrination.

If IT if false, though, then yeah, those dream sequences were just terrible, especially having three of them.

I will hate the dreams and the child even more if IT is true. I do not want IT implemented in ME3 in any way whatsoever....