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[alex90c]

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[Robhuzz]

Ophiskc wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Now that I think of it, the Asari are in a bit of an awkward situation. Asari reproducing with other Asari is pretty much 'not done' nowadays but that won't stop Asari from being attracted to each other, like evolution demanded they were for many millenia before meeting other races. I wonder if Liara ever was attracted to another Asari but chose not to act on it because she wasn't supposed to?

I think is only logical that asari are attracted to eachother. But if is so tabu to have pureblood daughters and 2 of them are a couple and want to have childrens, they always can get a donor i guess. Liara say in ME1 when she speaks about reproduction, that sometimes can be just single encounters.

Could be that Liara was in love with another asari while on Thessia, she never melded before Shepard, but that doesnt mean she never kissed before.

How would Shepard react if while on Thessia he/she encounters one of Liara's ex-girlfriends?

Liara: "Shepard, I have to speak with you. It's... important"
Shepard: "You can always talk to me Liara. About everything."
Liara: "You see, before I met you I spent some time here on Thessia and..."
Shepard: "Something bothering you?"
Liara: "Well I... I got rather close with another Asari and I seem to recall her living in the building over.."
*Reaper crash lands next to the building Liara is pointing at and blasts the building to rubble*
Shepard: "Again? Sorry I didn't understand that last sentence due to all the racket"
Liara: "Never mind.. It's not important."

@Ladyvader

Perhaps it's only if you pick her up late enough for her to hallucinate? Normally she just stands there, scared and when the fighting commences she ducks. I love the way she looks at Shepard when he talked down that krogan battlemaster you're fighting.

"Goddess, a human brave enough to talk to a krogan battlemaster like that?":blink:

Modifié par Robhuzz, 22 août 2011 - 10:36 .

[Kadzin]

Robhuzz wrote...

Perhaps it's only if you pick her up late enough for her to hallucinate? Normally she just stands there, scared and when the fighting commences she ducks. I love the way she looks at Shepard when he talked down that krogan battlemaster you're fighting.

"Goddess, a human brave enough to talk to a krogan battlemaster like that?"[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

I'd like to think that, but her in game expression is more of a "is he mental?"

[jtav]

"Not for the purposes of reproduction" implies non-reproductive asari/asari unions are still common. The scandal is in having kids. I imagine Liara has been attracted to other asari. I'd be worried about her if she never dated before Shep. In my headcanon, she's had what we regard as sex before, but never felt comfortable melding.

[Robhuzz]

Kadzin wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Perhaps it's only if you pick her up late enough for her to hallucinate? Normally she just stands there, scared and when the fighting commences she ducks. I love the way she looks at Shepard when he talked down that krogan battlemaster you're fighting.

"Goddess, a human brave enough to talk to a krogan battlemaster like that?"[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

I'd like to think that, but her in game expression is more of a "is he mental?"

Pretty much yes. But I imagine she felt sort of like I described after Shepard handily beat the krogan battlemaster.

[TMA LIVE]

"Not for the purposes of reproduction" is more about the physical side of things, not non-unions. She was saying it in the context of not needing anything physical going on to reproduce, since it's really all mental.

EDIT: Ah, never mind. I thought that came from the other conversation.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 22 août 2011 - 04:55 .

[kumquats]

ladyvader wrote...
EDIT:I don't remember Liara doing this before when Shepard and company run into the krogan battlemaster.

It's the double facepalm! For the epic failure that is the Krogan Battlemaster, one facepalm was not enough!

[Red Son Rising]

how much control the asari have over pregnancy. if its mostly mental can they get pregnant by accident? one night stand, one blue baby? i read somewhere on these blogs that asari 'mothers' can store the 'fathers' genetic dice rolls, always assumed it was true cause it made sense

[Ophiskc]

jtav wrote...
I imagine Liara has been attracted to other asari. I'd be worried about her if she never dated before Shep. In my headcanon, she's had what we regard as sex before, but never felt comfortable melding.

I share your opinion... she's 106 years old when we met her after all, would be strange, for me, if she wasnt physical with anybody before

[Robhuzz]

Red Son Rising wrote...

how much control the asari have over pregnancy. if its mostly mental can they get pregnant by accident? one night stand, one blue baby? i read somewhere on these blogs that asari 'mothers' can store the 'fathers' genetic dice rolls, always assumed it was true cause it made sense

It sounds plausible enough but I don't think it works like that. During melding an Asari randomizes the genes she gives to her daughter but I suppose she can decide whether or not she actually wants to start a pregnancy. If she doesn't then the randomized set of genes that could grow into a child are simply discarded again and the melding was just for pleasure. I don't think she actually saves the entire genetic data from her partner for use later on.

Switching topic right quick. I was reading through TMA's thread on Liara's ME3 face model since a lot of people (including me) have almost obsessed over Liara's looks in ME3. Two images were shown together and.. well see for yourself.



Putting these two face models together it seems like Liara's current ME3 look is exactly the same as her ME1 look. The difference in colour can be attributed to different lighting, shaders or an effect of the new engine. Therefore I think it's safe to conclude that the Liara we've seen so far actually is a placeholder OR BioWare has decided to revert back to Liara's ME1 look. This means Casey Hudson was telling the truth all along and the guy at the gamescon Q&A was mostly full of rubbish...

Edit: TMA, sorry for copying all this stuff from your thread but I thought it was worthy of mentioning here..:innocent:

Modifié par Robhuzz, 22 août 2011 - 05:07 .

[TMA LIVE]

jtav wrote...

"Not for the purposes of reproduction" implies non-reproductive asari/asari unions are still common. The scandal is in having kids. I imagine Liara has been attracted to other asari. I'd be worried about her if she never dated before Shep. In my headcanon, she's had what we regard as sex before, but never felt comfortable melding.

Well, considering she says she never really thought about it, I'm under the impression that she wasn't attracted to anyone, since she probably started going through puberty by the time she started isolating herself. I'm sure she probably found some girls cute, but I'm under the impression she cared more about her studies. Same with anything physical, because honestly, I'd be more worried about her going physical with someone in the past, but only wanted a union with a stranger she only met briefly. You'd think she'd want something physical first, and maybe saving the union bit for someone special, or wait until she's sure he/she's the one. Instead, she doesn't want anything till she made up her mind about having a union with Shepard. Like say, someone she's been with for years, it's out of the question, but some dude she met, she wants to go all 9 yards right off the bat, and wants to debate it before doing anything else? No even just starting with a kiss, a date, some physical stuff, then the union? Just everything at once with someone she hardly knows?

It'd be like, I want to do the mind-sex/ baby making version with a stranger I just met right away, and not take it slow and build a relationship with this person, instead of what I usually do with my past relationships.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 22 août 2011 - 05:21 .

[Ophiskc]

Red Son Rising wrote...
i read somewhere on these blogs that asari 'mothers' can store the 'fathers' genetic dice rolls, always assumed it was true cause it made sense

I dont know... is not said anywhere that they're capable of doing that... Personally i'm sceptical about it, i imagine that is a little complex for them to keep it completely stored in their memories, and they need to be connected at that moment to succeed

[Ophiskc]

TMA LIVE wrote...
I'd be more worried about her going physical with someone in the past, but only wanted a union with a stranger she only met briefly. You'd think she'd want something physical first, and maybe saving the union bit for someone special, or wait until she's sure he/she's the one. Instead, she doesn't want anything till she made up her mind about having a union with Shepard. Like say, someone she's been with for years, it's out of the question, but some dude she met, she wants to go all 9 yards right off the bat, and wants to debate it before doing anything else?

Can be that she just didnt found the right person for her to think to meld with, till she found Shepard. In my head cannon they were together more than a few days, and wasnt a "lets do a quickie with this guy/girl i just met".
I believe asari view physical aspects different than us, to have "sex" would be almost the same as to kiss for us, but the melding is the big deal for them, first time you meld and they lose their virginity, kind off

[ladyvader]

kumquats wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
EDIT:I don't remember Liara doing this before when Shepard and company run into the krogan battlemaster.

It's the double facepalm! For the epic failure that is the Krogan Battlemaster, one facepalm was not enough!

True.  That fight lasted about three minutes too.  It was Liara going NO! and her reaction was something I must have never seen before or only once.  I think I'll edit that down to a small video and post it when I'm done.

[TMA LIVE]

Ophiskc wrote...
Can be that she just didnt found the right person for her to think to meld with, till she found Shepard. In my head cannon they were together more than a few days, and wasnt a "lets do a quickie with this guy/girl i just met".
I believe asari view physical aspects different than us, to have "sex" would be almost the same as to kiss for us, but the melding is the big deal for them, first time you meld and they lose their virginity, kind off

That's my point. It's more worse that she gave special treatment to others, but found Mr. Someone, who she only new for a few days, and wants the "real deal", and not take it slow like she did with her past relationship.

It's like say, you just met a girl, who had past relationships in the past, but until those relationships, she wants unprotected sex with you, before you ever kissed, or got to know each other better. Or in Liara's case, having you change or evolve her in some certain way.

I'd rather believe Shepard being her first relationship, and never been around others caused this action. Instead of her being wowed by Shepard's "Strong Will", that she's automatically giving him the BIG ONE right off the bat.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 22 août 2011 - 05:31 .

[TheMarshal]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Well, considering she says she never really thought about it, I'm under the impression that she wasn't attracted to anyone, since she probably started going through puberty by the time she started isolating herself. I'm sure she probably found some girls cute, but I'm under the impression she cared more about her studies. Same with anything physical, because honestly, I'd be more worried about her going physical with someone in the past, but only wanted a union with a stranger she only met briefly. You'd think she'd want something physical first, and maybe saving the union bit for someone special, or wait until she's sure he/she's the one. Instead, she doesn't want anything till she made up her mind about having a union with Shepard. Like say, someone she's been with for years, it's out of the question, but some dude she met, she wants to go all 9 yards right off the bat, and wants to debate it before doing anything else?

If the asari melding process is so far beyond physical that acts that we humans would consider "sex" become mundane, an asari having a physical relationship - without melding - would be akin to humans holding hands or just making out.  I'd actually prefer that she did have some sort of past relationship.  Otherwise, Shepard's solely responsible for her "awakening," both on a romantic and sexual level, and that feels pretty ridiculous.

[Ophiskc]

TMA LIVE wrote...
That's my point. It's more worse that she gave special treatment to others, but found Mr. Someone, who she only new for a few days, and wants the "real deal", and not take it slow like she did with her past relationship.

It's like say, you just met a girl, who had past relationships in the past, but until those relationships, she wants unprotected sex with you, before you ever kissed, or got to know each other better. Or in Liara's case, having you change or evolve her in some certain way.

I'd rather believe Shepard being her first relationship, and never been around others caused this action. Instead of her being wowed by Shepard's "Strong Will", that she's automatically giving him the BIG ONE right off the bat.

I get your point... but for me would be more strange that this clueless girl that never even kissed before go all fiery with me directly to the point, if she never touched anybody in the past i would have expected her to be more shy or unsure, but she seems to know what she's doing

[TMA LIVE]

TheMarshal wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Well, considering she says she never really thought about it, I'm under the impression that she wasn't attracted to anyone, since she probably started going through puberty by the time she started isolating herself. I'm sure she probably found some girls cute, but I'm under the impression she cared more about her studies. Same with anything physical, because honestly, I'd be more worried about her going physical with someone in the past, but only wanted a union with a stranger she only met briefly. You'd think she'd want something physical first, and maybe saving the union bit for someone special, or wait until she's sure he/she's the one. Instead, she doesn't want anything till she made up her mind about having a union with Shepard. Like say, someone she's been with for years, it's out of the question, but some dude she met, she wants to go all 9 yards right off the bat, and wants to debate it before doing anything else?

If the asari melding process is so far beyond physical that acts that we humans would consider "sex" become mundane, an asari having a physical relationship - without melding - would be akin to humans holding hands or just making out.  I'd actually prefer that she did have some sort of past relationship.  Otherwise, Shepard's solely responsible for her "awakening," both on a romantic and sexual level, and that feels pretty ridiculous.

It'd be more ridiculous that she wants it done with a stranger, but no one in her past. If Shepard isn't her first, again, why is he given the BIG BANG first, but nothing before that? Not even a kiss?

Liara talks about the union, right after you confirmed you were attracted to her. If she had a past relationship, do you honestly think she'd do that?

And there's nothing, as far as I'm aware, saying sex is the same as holding hands to the asari.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 22 août 2011 - 05:37 .

[TMA LIVE]

I'm just saying, it just makes Shepard "More Special" because he was the only one given the BIG BANG, and the only one given the BIG BANG, after only been known to her for a few days. Until like other relationships.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm just saying, it just makes Shepard "More Special" because he was the only one given the BIG BANG, and the only one given the BIG BANG, after only been known to her for a few days. Until like other relationships.

Pretty sure ME1 is supposed to take longer than just a couple of days.

[TMA LIVE]

Ophiskc wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
That's my point. It's more worse that she gave special treatment to others, but found Mr. Someone, who she only new for a few days, and wants the "real deal", and not take it slow like she did with her past relationship.

It's like say, you just met a girl, who had past relationships in the past, but until those relationships, she wants unprotected sex with you, before you ever kissed, or got to know each other better. Or in Liara's case, having you change or evolve her in some certain way.

I'd rather believe Shepard being her first relationship, and never been around others caused this action. Instead of her being wowed by Shepard's "Strong Will", that she's automatically giving him the BIG ONE right off the bat.

I get your point... but for me would be more strange that this clueless girl that never even kissed before go all fiery with me directly to the point, if she never touched anybody in the past i would have expected her to be more shy or unsure, but she seems to know what she's doing

It makes more sense to me. She never thought of being with anyone else. She spend most of her time being alone, and studying. She then spends all kinds of time with you for a few days. And you saved her life. She wants to make a change, and try a relationship. And because this is new to her, she's probably going too fast, and putting too much thought into it. This also could have happened to someone else besides Shepard, if they did the same. It just happened to be Shepard.

Instead of, she wants your DNA, unlike those other people. She wants you to change or evolve her, unlike those other people. And she wants it NOW, unlike those other people. She doesn't want to just be physical, like those others. And clearly didn't didn't need to date you or kiss you, unlike those other people. That's what you get, if she did date and get physical before.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 22 août 2011 - 05:56 .

[TMA LIVE]

Lizardviking wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm just saying, it just makes Shepard "More Special" because he was the only one given the BIG BANG, and the only one given the BIG BANG, after only been known to her for a few days. Until like other relationships.

Pretty sure ME1 is supposed to take longer than just a couple of days.

As far as I'm aware, there's never really a time given of how long the Normandy mission was. But even still, she claims she only new you for a short time.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm just saying, it just makes Shepard "More Special" because he was the only one given the BIG BANG, and the only one given the BIG BANG, after only been known to her for a few days. Until like other relationships.

Pretty sure ME1 is supposed to take longer than just a couple of days.

As far as I'm aware, there's never really a time given of how long the Normandy mission was. But even still, she claims she only new you for a short time.

While time is certainly ambiguous in both games. I still think it is supposed to take months. And a short time can mean anything.

[TMA LIVE]

Lizardviking wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm just saying, it just makes Shepard "More Special" because he was the only one given the BIG BANG, and the only one given the BIG BANG, after only been known to her for a few days. Until like other relationships.

Pretty sure ME1 is supposed to take longer than just a couple of days.

As far as I'm aware, there's never really a time given of how long the Normandy mission was. But even still, she claims she only new you for a short time.

While time is certainly ambiguous in both games. I still think it is supposed to take months. And a short time can mean anything.

It's still enough that she has a problem with it, and doesn't understand why she's close to you. But right after, it's all about "a union with Shepard". Why not just something physical first?

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 22 août 2011 - 06:11 .

[TheMarshal]

TMA LIVE wrote...

It'd be more ridiculous that she wants it done with a stranger, but no one in her past. If Shepard isn't her first, again, why is he given the BIG BANG first, but nothing before that? Not even a kiss?

Liara talks about the union, right after you confirmed you were attracted to her. If she had a past relationship, do you honestly think she'd do that?

And there's nothing, as far as I'm aware, saying sex is the same as holding hands to the asari.

Your opposition to Liara having a relationship pre-Shepard seems to stem from the fact that Liara "gives it up" to Shepard too quickly.  Which, I'd like to point out, happens regardless of any past relationship she may or may not have had.  The idea that Liara and Shepard never had any physical contact prior to the pre-Ilos scene is ridiculous, but that's what we see in-game.  The events of Mass Effect 1 take place over the course of several months (travelling across the galaxy still takes time, even when travelling at faster-than-light speed), and I think that it's reasonable to assume that more time was spent developing the relationship than we got to see on screen.

The sex/holding hands comparison is only to show the difference in scale for asari intimacy.  If humans have a scale of intimacy from 1-10, it might look something like this:

2-3. Hug
4-5. Holding Hands
6-8. Kissing
9-10. Sex

Whereas the asari mind meld process is so far beyond sex in terms of intimacy that everything else has to get scaled down.

0-1. Hug
2-3. Holding Hands
4-5. Kissing
6-8. Sex
10. Joining