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[TheDonk95]

Uhmm.. Sorry for being ignorant and unrelated but.. what do you mean by Mary Sue? Is this some kind of a term or a word title?

[rubynorman]

Fox In The Box wrote...

Well, I'm a 22 year old virgin. It's not that far-fetched. Mary Sues, in general, are made out to be so "cool" and "special" to the point where they become really obnoxious, and even if they do have character flaws they are usually made endearing (clumsiness and freckles are popular). They are always right, and everyone likes them, and those who don't are very often portrayed in a not-so-flattering light.

Sadly, Mary Sue is a term that is used very loosely and incorrectly these days. Just try to make your Shepard seem like an actual person, and you'll be alright.

I read some threads call Liara a Mary Sue because she is a virgin. I guess those threads make me misunderstand the term "Mary Sue".
Thank you for explaining it to me.

@TheDonk95 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue

Modifié par rubynorman, 08 juin 2012 - 09:21 .

[Fox In The Box]

No worries! If you're not that familiar with fanfiction, it's no wonder you get confused. The indiscriminate application of the term is something that irks me.

[Akernis]

Just found this little piece of adorableness... is that even a word?

PMC: Warning, for your own good stay away

[TheDonk95]

Ohh that little Varren toy is adorable

[Yuqi]

Ajosraa wrote...

About the whole paragon/renegade thing. Id have to define myself as a Paragade. I pick most of the Paragon choises because Im trying to play a mature leader of a team, am a bit altruistic and want to help people, and is a nice person most of the time. But sometimes some things just make my Shepard snap, and he would pick the renegade line. For example I love the line with Liara when first discussing her father, "I never get to tell you anything", and I also think punching Admiral Garrell to be appropriate.

And Yuqi stop making fun of my Paragon side, were not all panzies;P

Your hurting my feelings

*snip*

I find it hard to not go fully one way or the other(Final Fantasy playing habbits). After multiple runthroughs of ME2 it's easier just to go one way, or the other.

Didn't mean to hurt your feelings  Paragon Shepard is still a pansy!

kumquats wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

Woot Go Team Renegade.

*high five* 
Although, I wouldn't want to romance Miranda, again. 

Are you telling me, you're a virgin? 

I'm glad what they did with her character in LotSB. ME1 is sometimes a little... yeah.

I tottaly agree, and I admit it was kind of fun to troll Liara in ME1..Woah you have almost ll of the renegade responses on youtube ,nice!

[lillitheris]

lillitheris wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I don't - why try to twist Liara into something she's not though? There's absolutely nothing wrong with saying you'd prefer some other Asari to her. Why not just do that?

I somewhat agree with this. I don’t agree with all the particulars you ascribe to Liara, but at some point it makes more sense to just admit it’s actually a different person.

But, AUs and headcanon, so…

Also, this said, my main concern with “Unity” was my characterization of Liara. She’s essentially the main character right now — and, you know, Liara — so I was a bit worried that my idea of her might not work for everyone, or that I couldn’t accurately portray her as I wanted to.

I’m really happy that the response to ‘my’ Liara has been universally really good, though…I got an almost review just today, so I’m quite .

[Arcataye]

[TheDonk95]

^Oh god this is amazing. Liara's face is really hot..

[Erenbe]

YEAH!
Random blue! Man, this is quite the entrace hehe....

Modifié par Erenbe, 08 juin 2012 - 04:07 .

[lillitheris]

You’d think they’d know not to use antibiotics for flu in the future…

[Barquiel]

Akernis wrote...

Just found this little piece of adorableness... is that even a word?

PMC: Warning, for your own good stay away

*pic*

Future Mako Driver...hehe

I'm sure Liara wants to teach her how to drive

[Akernis]

Erenbe wrote...

YEAH!
Random blue! Man, this is quite the entrace hehe....

Nice, she looks suitably dramatic.

[Han Shot First]

PMC65 wrote...


So when the virgin option came up, I picked it and loved how she almost laughs at Shepard and says something about it not working like that for asari. Thank Bacchus! If Bioware had locked her in and had her say, "Oh, yes Commander ... I am a virgin ... you will be my first in everything! Weeeeeeee!" EW Shepard would have walked out and hooked up with Kaidan.

Now having just seen Liara's response to the renegade dialogue, you may be right. If Liara is both a virgin by human and Asari standards, why would she feel a need to clarify for Shepard that for Asari the word 'virgin' doesn't mean the same thing as it does for humans? While the scene is still vague enough that it could go either way, Liara's need to clarify rather than just saying "yes," might suggest that she's done the physical aspect but not the mind meld.

Hmmm. Just when I thought I knew the character...

[adneate]

Han Shot First wrote...
might suggest that she's done the physical aspect but not the mind meld.

Hmmm. Just when I thought I knew the character...

Always seemed that way to me, she's got some kind of experience though run through the filter of how she acts probably not much. Meeting another Asari at the University of Serrice seems the most likely for her, since that's probably the only setting where her intelligence and dedication to her work might catch someone's interest and where she'd meet somone who she would enjoy being with. That being said she's something of a workaholic who very much prefers to be on her own, caves and ruins aren't the best dating spots. She does make a point of saying she never wanted to join with anyone prior to meeting Shepard, so she didn't have particularily strong feelings for anyone she met previously.

If you take the ME3 romance conclusion into account I'd say she's more timid of the emotional aspects of a relationship than the physical ones. Hence her hesitation to commit fully to the relationship if Shepard cheated on her in ME2 or how important telling Shepard she loves her or him and fully giving herself to the relationship if Shepard was loyal. Whereas just spending the night together is perfectly fine with her and still allowing herself to hold back emotionally.

[Arcataye]

Erenbe wrote...

YEAH!
Random blue! Man, this is quite the entrace hehe....
http://img846.images...45bh1qkgl2c.gif

Where did this happen?

[Akernis]

Han Shot First wrote...
Now having just seen Liara's response to the renegade dialogue, you may be right. If Liara is both a virgin by human and Asari standards, why would she feel a need to clarify for Shepard that for Asari the word 'virgin' doesn't mean the same thing as it does for humans? While the scene is still vague enough that it could go either way, Liara's need to clarify rather than just saying "yes," might suggest that she's done the physical aspect but not the mind meld.

Hmmm. Just when I thought I knew the character...

I don't think so, but I suppose it is a possibility.

Though not only does she say yes it is true but when speaking about virgin she says that the word does not have the same "connotation" for the asari as it does for humans.
Notably she used the word connotation instead of saying it does not have the same meaning.

Connotation is a word used for subtle or secondary meanings rather than meaning something else entirely, usually used to express an emotional association with the word, especially a positive or negative value.

So I would assume that in this case she meant that while "virgin" would still mean not having had joined with another, either as a true union or "mere" physical sex, it does not have same associations or stigma that humans might connect with that particular word.

All in all I think that no she has not been with another person before, here she is just being her (at that point) typical analytical self and explaining that while virgin might mean the same for an asari they might not have any judgmental association with that.

adneate wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...
might suggest that she's done the physical aspect but not the mind meld.

Hmmm. Just when I thought I knew the character...

Always seemed that way to me, she's got some kind of experience though run through the filter of how she acts probably not much. Meeting another Asari at the University of Serrice seems the most likely for her, since that's probably the only setting where her intelligence and dedication to her work might catch someone's interest and where she'd meet somone who she would enjoy being with. That being said she's something of a workaholic who very much prefers to be on her own, caves and ruins aren't the best dating spots. She does make a point of saying she never wanted to join with anyone prior to meeting Shepard, so she didn't have particularily strong feelings for anyone she met previously.

If you take the ME3 romance conclusion into account I'd say she's more timid of the emotional aspects of a relationship than the physical ones. Hence her hesitation to commit fully to the relationship if Shepard cheated on her in ME2 or how important telling Shepard she loves her or him and fully giving herself to the relationship if Shepard was loyal. Whereas just spending the night together is perfectly fine with her and still allowing herself to hold back emotionally.

She does say that she has never even thought about it, one would asumme that she would if she had been in a relationship.

While yes the emotional espect of a relationship is douptlessly more important to her, for me she does not seem the type for having sex with someone if she is not in a relationship where she is deeply emotional connected to her partner and if she was that she would in all likelihood have entertained the idea of a Joining.

Also do we even know if asari practise purely physical non-melding sex?   

Modifié par Akernis, 08 juin 2012 - 06:10 .

[kyg_20X6]

by Mallyx

[Han Shot First]

@Akernis

I don't necessarily disagree. I think the dialogue is vague enough that you could go either way with it, and either explanation for Liara's need for clarification would be entirely plausible. Since she never addresses it again it is one of those areas where player head canon can fill in the gaps.

That being said, I think she's relatively inexperienced either way. *If* she's had other partner(s) at all they were few and far between, and would have been other Asari. Liara's inexperience, awkwardness, and lack of familiarity with aliens in ME1 are all pretty much undisputed canon. At best head canon could only address the level of Liara's inexperience.

I haven't made up my mind yet personally, as viewing that youtube clip today was the first time I've heard that dialogue.

[adneate]

Akernis wrote...
Also do we even know if asari practise purely physical non-melding sex?   

That I don't know and it does have a big implication for this whole thing. I find it hard to come down conclusively one way or the other, on the whole Liara "Virgin" thing. The whole "I never thought of it" exchange does massively complicate any potential previous relationship one might think Liara had. Mainly because you'd have to wonder why she didn't think of it with this person even if she's sleeping with them. If Asari would even do that without melding.

The writers didn't leave much to go on, I'll at least commit to Shepard not being Liara's first kiss. That I can say she's clearly done before!

[Arcataye]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

by Mallyx

I'm not sure if that's Liara.

Modifié par Arcataye, 08 juin 2012 - 06:33 .

[kyg_20X6]

Arcataye wrote...

I'm not sure if that's Liara.

Ok.

I think Shepard looks fine. Since we don't really get a toothy smile from Shepard (and ME teeth are HORRIBLE). She doesn't have a picture perfect smile, sure, but she's a soldier. I think it fits her. A bit awkward, a bit uncomfortable.

Liara, though, does look a little off. Especially since we've seen her do a toothless smile in-game, and it looks a little different than that. Still, maybe it's the angle or mayble Mally was going for a certain effect.

Either way, I don't think it's a bad pic. I can enjoy it and I like the concept.

[Akernis]

Han Shot First wrote...

@Akernis

I don't necessarily disagree. I think the dialogue is vague enough that you could go either way with it, and either explanation for Liara's need for clarification would be entirely plausible. Since she never addresses it again it is one of those areas where player head canon can fill in the gaps.

That being said, I think she's relatively inexperienced either way. *If* she's had other partner(s) at all they were few and far between, and would have been other Asari. Liara's inexperience, awkwardness, and lack of familiarity with aliens in ME1 are all pretty much undisputed canon. At best head canon could only address the level of Liara's inexperience.

I haven't made up my mind yet personally, as viewing that youtube clip today was the first time I've heard that dialogue.

I still personally think she has never been with someone else before Shepard, but as you said it is vague enough for personal interpretation.
If PMC or anyone else wants to headcanon that Liara has had previous partners to whatever extend then I certainly won't loose any sleep over it .

I just think it makes sense that she has not had any partner before Shepard due to her behaviour and personality. He/she is certainly the first one she ever joins with. 

adneate wrote...

Akernis wrote...
Also do we even know if asari practise purely physical non-melding sex?   

That I don't know and it does have a big implication for this whole thing. I find it hard to come down conclusively one way or the other, on the whole Liara "Virgin" thing. The whole "I never thought of it" exchange does massively complicate any potential previous relationship one might think Liara had. Mainly because you'd have to wonder why she didn't think of it with this person even if she's sleeping with them. If Asari would even do that without melding.

Yeah, that was what one of the things I was thinking.

adneate wrote...
The writers didn't leave much to go on, I'll at least commit to Shepard not being Liara's first kiss. That I can say she's clearly done before!

Nah, she's just a natural , asari has amazing instincts  

 

[Erenbe]

Arcataye wrote...

Erenbe wrote...

YEAH!
Random blue! Man, this is quite the entrace hehe....
http://img846.images...45bh1qkgl2c.gif

Where did this happen?

I just checked through my own fraps files and it is the elevator scene on the citadel. when you follow kai leng. Liara -in her absolutely cool ways- pries the doors of the other elevator open... with just her bare hands! She looks right and left and just acts like she's the boss (which she is).


EDIT: oh I'm top....so take this BSN Liara fans:




and for old time's sake here's squinty eyed Liara! 

Modifié par Erenbe, 08 juin 2012 - 06:49 .

[Theodoro]

I miss squinty-eyed Liara from ME1. I thought this was a nice characteristic feature of her that they should have kept in the other games. I don't think anybody else did that in the whole of ME1. Hence why I love this picture.