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[Erenbe]

Theodoro wrote...

I miss squinty-eyed Liara from ME1. I thought this was a nice characteristic feature of her that they should have kept in the other games. I don't think anybody else did that in the whole of ME1. Hence why I love this picture.

Yeah, I know what you mean! I totally love squinty eyed Liara....that was such a lovely thing she did with her eye. I'm not sure if this was just a bug or not but I thought it gave certain scenes a nice touch....and it was fitting most of the time 

[Akernis]

Theodoro wrote...

I miss squinty-eyed Liara from ME1. I thought this was a nice characteristic feature of her that they should have kept in the other games. I don't think anybody else did that in the whole of ME1. Hence why I love this picture.

I never really knew it was there untill I read Epantiras' comics on DA and did not really like the feature after that, That said though I must admit I never actually see it when I play ME1 so it dosn't actually bother me in the slightest 

Modifié par Akernis, 08 juin 2012 - 07:32 .

[Theodoro]

Akernis wrote...

Theodoro wrote...

I miss squinty-eyed Liara from ME1. I thought this was a nice characteristic feature of her that they should have kept in the other games. I don't think anybody else did that in the whole of ME1. Hence why I love this picture.

I never really knew it was there untill I read Epantiras' comics on DA and did not really like the feature after that, That said though I must admit I never actually see it when I play ME1 so it dosn't actually bother me

Well, it doesn't happen often. It's certainly rare to see her do that, but it was still something Liara-specific that I felt was a nice touch, as Erenbe said, whether it was intentional or not.

Modifié par Theodoro, 08 juin 2012 - 07:30 .

[TheDonk95]

Theodoro wrote...

I miss squinty-eyed Liara from ME1. I thought this was a nice characteristic feature of her that they should have kept in the other games. I don't think anybody else did that in the whole of ME1. Hence why I love this picture.

Oh yeah I loved it when she was doing that in ME1. She was so amazing when she was doing that. I remember that she was doing that when she told Shepard that he shares the wisdom of Benezia.. And I absolutley love that picture

Modifié par TheDonk95, 08 juin 2012 - 07:40 .

[rubynorman]

Akernis wrote...

adneate wrote...
The writers didn't leave much to go on, I'll at least commit to Shepard not being Liara's first kiss. That I can say she's clearly done before!

Nah, she's just a natural , asari has amazing instincts  

 

I agree, I mean look at the way she dances, Asari has amazing instincts.

Modifié par rubynorman, 08 juin 2012 - 07:59 .

[Akernis]

Theodoro wrote...

Akernis wrote...

Theodoro wrote...

I miss squinty-eyed Liara from ME1. I thought this was a nice characteristic feature of her that they should have kept in the other games. I don't think anybody else did that in the whole of ME1. Hence why I love this picture.

I never really knew it was there untill I read Epantiras' comics on DA and did not really like the feature after that, That said though I must admit I never actually see it when I play ME1 so it dosn't actually bother me

Well, it doesn't happen often. It's certainly rare to see her do that, but it was still something Liara-specific that I felt was a nice touch, as Erenbe said, whether it was intentional or not.

Fair enough

[PMC65]

adneate wrote...

Akernis wrote...
Also do we even know if asari practise purely physical non-melding sex?   

That I don't know and it does have a big implication for this whole thing. I find it hard to come down conclusively one way or the other, on the whole Liara "Virgin" thing. The whole "I never thought of it" exchange does massively complicate any potential previous relationship one might think Liara had. Mainly because you'd have to wonder why she didn't think of it with this person even if she's sleeping with them. If Asari would even do that without melding.

The writers didn't leave much to go on, I'll at least commit to Shepard not being Liara's first kiss. That I can say she's clearly done before!

The asari do practice purely physical sex ... Shepard and the consort as one example. Why people think she melds with Shepard never makes sense to me since you never see her eyes go all black.

The topic of melding is brought up when Liara talks about the "reputation" of the asari as easy. She tells Shepard that the asari have a way of connecting that is far beyond sex ... it was her way of trying to tell Shepard that sexual pleasures were not the same to the asari as other species because they had another more precious way to express their feelings.

Do they still have sex? Absolutely. Aria tells Shepard that it is one more gift that they use to their advantage. And they do. But while they see it as no more than either a thing of pleasure or advancement ... well, as I said, other species see it as the end all, be all. That is why Liara had no problem with the proposed threesome as her writer said years ago.

Bioware left Liara's past physical experiences in the dark so that the gamer can determine if she had or had not participated in any sexual activity at all. I personally like that they did that ... others may have wished that they locked her in to the virgin slot. To each his/her own.

[Arcataye]

Erenbe wrote...

I just checked through my own fraps files and it is the elevator scene on the citadel. when you follow kai leng. Liara -in her absolutely cool ways- pries the doors of the other elevator open... with just her bare hands! She looks right and left and just acts like she's the boss (which she is).

Yeah I thought that would be the only possible place but I don't remember her doing that. I have a feeling it was EDI in my game or someone..

Erenbe wrote...

Theodoro wrote...

I miss squinty-eyed Liara from ME1. I thought this was a nice characteristic feature of her that they should have kept in the other games. I don't think anybody else did that in the whole of ME1. Hence why I love this picture.

Yeah, I know what you mean! I totally love squinty eyed Liara....that was such a lovely thing she did with her eye. I'm not sure if this was just a bug or not but I thought it gave certain scenes a nice touch....and it was fitting most of the time 

Seriously tho, she was cute doing her thing. I guess it was a bug too because she didn't do it in ME2.

Modifié par Arcataye, 08 juin 2012 - 08:42 .

[Arcataye]

Was going through my Liara fanfic tabs but one of the fanfics was deleted before I got to read it.
It was linked in here and HTL so I guess it was good or something, I don't know.
http://www.fanfictio...6/1/Frustration
Anyone know what it was?

Modifié par Arcataye, 08 juin 2012 - 08:55 .

[DOsquareZER]

Akernis wrote...
I still personally think she has never been with someone else before Shepard, but as you said it is vague enough for personal interpretation.
If PMC or anyone else wants to headcanon that Liara has had previous partners to whatever extend then I certainly won't loose any sleep over it .

I just think it makes sense that she has not had any partner before Shepard due to her behaviour and personality. He/she is certainly the first one she ever joins with.
 

Isnt that all we're doing with this little escapade of argueing whose head canon is better - a ''sin'' sampled by like everyone in this thread, personal head canon left right and center, taking pieces of her character and then either twisting or inserting our own speculation in between the gaps left open by Biowares lack of explanation to give her another layer, personalizing her.   Most seeing her as this virgin goddess, perfect without comparison, naive - utterly paragon, etc - it's about as bias as those thinking she's not as sexually inexperienced or as relationship inept as some like to speculate.  Some like to view their shepard's as the clingy memorable first, some don't - some believe attaching the human societial stigma that virgin's get is doing Liara a disservice or something seeing she's how old? and not once had a romantic experience.  At any rate who has the right in this scenario to say:  (besides the obvious writer(s) behind Liara)

"No, that's not Liara.  Your wrong!" 
*clings to a metallic beam* 
"NO! THATS IMPOSSIBLE! NOoooo!" 
*clutchs a handless arm, tears streaming down face* ...

Dramatics aside, we're all a little guilty of putting a little ''OOCness'' (I guess is the term to some) into Liara here and there but nothing really so far that i would label it a crime against her char or her development or unbearably nonsensical - i have read some pretty bad fanfics (in the past five years) that totally butchered her, but so far on here...meh, most are reasonable interpretations.  Look how many people got upset when she took her LotSB shift in char, her own writers did that to her, many said she was OOC and no longer Liara... but then how many fell in love with her all over again.  We've all been romanticizing her in every sense of the word - a blessing and a curse.

Ah well.  doesnt matter.  its all blue, its all good.  According to some, renegade(s) cant romance Liara, im not breathing too much into this issue on what is or isn't Liara or doesn't mesh with someone elses version of Liara-ized head canon.

Modifié par doozer12, 08 juin 2012 - 09:33 .

[TheDonk95]

@doozer- well said. Its all about personal taste and headcanon. That's why these games are so great- you can shape the characters in your head, the way you like them to be.

[PMC65]

*puts coins in doozer's collection plate*

But do you have to pick on my fic? It's bad but it is mine! Mine, I say!

*drinks moreeman's cheap booze*

[Akernis]

doozer12 wrote...

Akernis wrote...
I still personally think she has never been with someone else before Shepard, but as you said it is vague enough for personal interpretation.
If PMC or anyone else wants to headcanon that Liara has had previous partners to whatever extend then I certainly won't loose any sleep over it .

I just think it makes sense that she has not had any partner before Shepard due to her behaviour and personality. He/she is certainly the first one she ever joins with.
 

Isnt that all we're doing - a ''sin'' sampled by like everyone in this thread, personal head canon left right and center, taking pieces of her character and then either twisting or inserting our own speculation in between the gaps left open by Biowares lack of explanation to give her another layer, personalizing her.  

I never said it was a bad thing, everyone has some sides of Liara they like more or less than others and will focus corresondingly, in fact I think it would be a shame if people who like her don't think about how she is or would behave outside of what we actually see.

doozer12 wrote...

Most seeing her as this virgin goddess, perfect without comparison, naive - utterly paragon, etc 

That might be taking it a bit far, I know you are exaggerating here but still, no one is perfect (if you think of Paragon as perfect, which some certainly don't) and Liara is no exception, she has flaws and faults like everyone else.

doozer12 wrote...
Some like to view their shepard's as the clingy memorable first, some don't - some believe attaching the human societial stigma that virgin's get is doing Liara a disservice or something seeing she's how old? and not once had a romantic experience. 

It had nothing to do with what I liked (okay not true, of course that played some part, but it was not the primary reason) but what I felt seemed to fit her behaviour and personality.
The feeling I get from talking to her in ME1 is that she has not been in a relationship before. That might be right or wrong and everyone is entitled to their opinion since we don't know for sure beyond the fact that she has not joined with anyone before.

Hope I don't come off as hostile or misundertood what you meant, I don't think I am thinking as clarly as I should right now. 

doozer12 wrote...

As you may have noticed I am not much for Renegade but that is a nice picture

Modifié par Akernis, 08 juin 2012 - 09:58 .

[rubynorman]

There is no way to know if Liara has physical sex before but from the way she talk to her dad in ME3 I don't think she has many exp. I don't think virgin or not is the reason which makes we like Liara, right ?
Like 2 of my gray wardens they love Alistair, Leliana, Morrigan.
Everyone has their own head canon .As long as it does not contradict the fact which there isn't any fact in this matter. That's what makes ME a great game because everyone has their own story.

Liara is taller than FemShep. I never believed it until I found this picture.

Modifié par rubynorman, 08 juin 2012 - 09:58 .

[Akernis]

rubynorman wrote...
Liara is taller than FemShep. I never believed it until I found this picture.

As far as I am aware Liara is the talest female character (or the asari hvae the talest default models), she is a mit taller than femshep and a bit lower than mshep.

[DOsquareZER]

PMC65 wrote...

*puts coins in doozer's collection plate*

But do you have to pick on my fic? It's bad but it is mine! Mine, I say!

*drinks moreeman's cheap booze*

I like your fic, i find most of your scenarios plausible and with the six million layers you give yoru characters and whatnot it just seems like more then just a story you know - its so much more complex than most other fics?  Its one of the few i can actually bury myself 100% in - its like reading a peter hamilton book lol (not quite as thorough as his, but still pretty damn detailed.)

*offers coins back for a tumbler of her finest whiskey on the rocks*

Modifié par doozer12, 08 juin 2012 - 10:12 .

[lillitheris]

doozer12 wrote...

Ah well.  doesnt matter.  its all blue, its all good.  According to some, renegade(s) cant romance Liara, im not breathing too much into this issue on what is or isn't Liara or doesn't mesh with someone elses version of Liara-ized head canon.

Oh, renegades (90%+ Renegade options/interrupts) can romance Liara. I just don’t think that Liara would romance them back

[adneate]

PMC65 wrote...
Bioware left Liara's past physical experiences in the dark so that the gamer can determine if she had or had not participated in any sexual activity at all. I personally like that they did that ... others may have wished that they locked her in to the virgin slot. To each his/her own.

Sometimes it feels like we've totally lost the thread from ME1 doesn't it!? You forget all the explaining they do in the first game in light of the not-explaining they do in the later ones.

I know personally I wouldn't care one way or the other, I just assume she's had something even if you could count it on one hand.

[spirosz]

Does anyone have a male version of this scene?  Such an emotional scene.  

Modifié par spiros9110, 08 juin 2012 - 10:52 .

[PMC65]

Why thanks Doozer for the kind words ... just for that, keep the coins as Moreeman's rot gut is free and Karmen will even shine your shoes.

[TheDonk95]

spiros9110 wrote...

Does anyone have a male version of this scene?  Such an emotional scene.  
*Pic*

Joining the request. I am myself a Maleshep so it would be nice to have this picture with Maleshep...

[TrulyInnovative]

Arcataye wrote...

Was going through my Liara fanfic tabs but one of the fanfics was deleted before I got to read it.
It was linked in here and HTL so I guess it was good or something, I don't know.
http://www.fanfictio...6/1/Frustration
Anyone know what it was?

That was Rae D. Magdon's Frustration. I don't know why it was removed although it could be because FF.net should be cracking down on fics that sexually explicit or otherwise M+ rated. And yes, this fic was definitely sexually explicit, pretty much PWP. On the other hand, I don't at least see any other of Rae's fics having been removed, so there could be some other reason for its absence. I would suggest you contact Rae and ask her about it, and perhaps ask if she could send you the fic. I do have the fic downloaded but I wouldn't like to distribute it without the author's permission.

In any case, here's the fic information:

Category: Mass Effect
Genre: Romance
Language: English
Characters: Liara T'Soni, Shepard (F)
Status: Completed
Published: 2012-05-17
Updated: 2012-05-17
Packaged: 2012-05-26 19:53:59
Rating: M
Chapters: 1
Words: 3,998
Publisher: www.fanfiction.net
Summary: Shepard is angry at the Council and wants to de-stress with Liara. Unfortunately, they can't agree on who gets to go first... and Liara's office suffers for it. FemShep/Liara

Btw, this is one reason why I prefer downloading the fics and reading them later. Another positive is that my browser doesn't get quite as crowded with a ton of fics in tabs.

Modifié par TrulyInnovative, 08 juin 2012 - 11:02 .

[TheDonk95]

Summary: Shepard is angry at the Council and wants to de-stress with Liara. Unfortunately, they can't agree on who gets to go first... and Liara's office suffers for it. FemShep/Liara

Sounds like another Mass Effect porn- story. Although I know that Rae's stories are very, very good and don't have over- sexuality in them, this one sounds, atleast for me, too much like a 'porn story' that is beyond the limit of good taste, and that doesn't show Liara the way she is.
But I know that this is Rea, and it's only the description, so maybe I am wrong..
And I'm off to bed so I won't reply to your thoughts on my opinion soon...

Modifié par TheDonk95, 08 juin 2012 - 11:07 .

[TrulyInnovative]

Sounds like another Mass Effect porn- story. Although I know that Rae's stories are very, very good and don't have over- sexuality in them, this one sounds, atleast for me, too much like a 'porn story' that is beyond the limit of good taste, and that doesn't show Liara the way she is.
But I know that this is Rea, and it's only the description, so maybe I am wrong..
And I'm off to bed so I won't reply to your thoughts on my opinion soon...

You're not wrong, but to be fair, Mae wrote it as an answer to a kink meme prompt:

Prompt: An anon at the kink meme wanted Frustrated!Shepard and Frustrated!Liara arguing about which one of them gets to top first after a rough day.

Top:

Modifié par TrulyInnovative, 08 juin 2012 - 11:15 .

[DOsquareZER]

lillitheris wrote...

doozer12 wrote...

Ah well.  doesnt matter.  its all blue, its all good.  According to some, renegade(s) cant romance Liara, im not breathing too much into this issue on what is or isn't Liara or doesn't mesh with someone elses version of Liara-ized head canon.

Oh, renegades (90%+ Renegade options/interrupts) can romance Liara. I just don’t think that Liara would romance them back

It wont be your stereotypical hollywood romance thats for damn sure.
I think Liara is the only ME1/ME3 LI capable of caring for a renegade.  No one else is near empathetic enough, strong enough, and more or less wise enough to handle it/support it.  Depends on the type of renegade you play really... (I dont believe anything full fledge would work - both sides of the scale paragon and renegade 90-100% are unrealistic, cringe worthy, and nauseating as far as head canon is concerned - Im convinced if anyone goes to those extremes that Shepard is clearly not human and makes no sense that he/she would waste time to pursue a LI.)

PMC65 wrote...
just for that, keep the coins as Moreeman's rot gut is free and Karmen
will even shine your shoes.

Do i dare ask what it is... and *glances down at sandals* how about pedicures?  I am on leave and my boots are all ready shiney.

Modifié par doozer12, 08 juin 2012 - 11:38 .