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[rubynorman]

TheDonk95 wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

Does anyone have a male version of this scene?  Such an emotional scene.  
*Pic*

Joining the request. I am myself a Maleshep so it would be nice to have this picture with Maleshep...

Wait a minute. I'll take a screenshot for you guys.
BTW I like your avatar spiros9110. A fan of princess Mononoke too ?

EDIT: Sheploo ver.

Modifié par rubynorman, 08 juin 2012 - 11:49 .

[adneate]

doozer12 wrote...
Im convinced if anyone goes to those extremes that Shepard is clearly not human and makes no sense that he/she would waste time to pursue a LI.

Yeah 100% Renegade is a hypocritical deranged sociopathic murdered and 100% Paragon is an unsufferable holier than thou white knight who knows best for everyone and isn't afraid to tell you that.

[lillitheris]

doozer12 wrote...

It wont be your stereotypical hollywood romance thats for damn sure.
I think Liara is the only ME1/ME3 LI capable of caring for a renegade.  No one else is near empathetic enough, strong enough, and more or less wise enough to handle it/support it. 

The problem with empathy — which I certainly agree about — is that it’s by definition not just for Shepard, it’s for everybody. So there is a point where (in my opinion) the suffering of the innocent, if you permit, that Shepard causes overrides the suffering of Shepard. Love is complex etc., but compassion seems (to me) one of Liara’s fundamental characteristics.

Of course there’s the ‘redemption’ story arch if you play it that way…but that’s pretty Hollywood

[spirosz]

rubynorman wrote...


Wait a minute. I'll take a screenshot for you guys.
BTW I like your avatar spiros9110. A fan of princess Mononoke too ?

EDIT: Sheploo ver.
*snip*

Yes, very much so - seen it too many times, haha.  Thanks for the picture!  

[CrimsonN7]

Sometimes the renegade option is just dumb, case in point rejecting some one on one with Liara pre-Cronas station. Damn this is painful to watch, poor Liara you can see how utterly crushed she was, she just wants a little comfort Commander, you can save the galaxy later. Also when she gave another quick glance back at Shep when she's leaving aww, you'd knew she would have come back in a heartbeat if Shep changed his/her mind:crying:

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 09 juin 2012 - 12:22 .

[Obsidian Gryphon]

rubynorman wrote...

Liara is taller than FemShep. I never believed it until I found this picture.

*picture snipped*

I'd wondered about their heights too but figured they're both equally tall because I've seen femShep standing higher than Liara (example, Mars reunion).   

Summary: Shepard is angry at the Council and wants to de-stress with Liara. Unfortunately, they can't agree on who gets to go first... and Liara's office suffers for it. FemShep/Liara

Didn't read this once I saw the summary. I'm relatively new to FF so I did a very fast walkabout in the posted fanfics, including those rated M. Some are nicely written but others are just, well, explicit forays that didn't do anything with the chars. They could easily be Jack and Jill's x-rated romps and frankly, a disservice to the much loved ME chars themselves.  But this is just a imo. 

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 09 juin 2012 - 12:50 .

[CrimsonN7]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

Summary: Shepard is angry at the Council and wants to de-stress with Liara. Unfortunately, they can't agree on who gets to go first... and Liara's office suffers for it. FemShep/Liara

Didn't read this once I saw the summary. I'm relatively new to FF so I did a very fast walkabout in the posted fanfics, including those rated M. Some are nicely written but others are just, well, explicit forays that didn't do anything with the chars. They could easily be Jack and Jill's x-rated romps and frankly, a disservice to the much loved ME chars themselves.  But this is just a imo. 

I remember reading this one when it came out, I love Rae's work but I didn't really like that story, smut doesn't bother me but I thought that was a bit below par compared to her other pieces. It just seemed a little OTT and kinda silly. I also couldn't picture Liara being that sexually aggressive, Shep, yeah maybe but not Liara IMO.

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 09 juin 2012 - 01:10 .

[moreeman06]

PMC65 wrote...

*puts coins in doozer's collection plate*

But do you have to pick on my fic? It's bad but it is mine! Mine, I say!

*drinks moreeman's cheap booze*

PMC65 wrote...

Why thanks Doozer for the kind words ... just for that, keep the coins as Moreeman's rot gut is free and Karmen will even shine your shoes.

 

<_<  hey that Maker's Mark is good stuff.  and to think i wasn't going to repost this,  damnit PMC I knew this truce couldn't last.   BBBBB's Attack

Akernis wrote...

Just found this little piece of adorableness... is that even a word?

PMC: Warning, for your own good stay away 

 

seriously i love this though and i feel like that varren just might be named urz

 
 

Now how did that quarian get in there....

the bottom two are by sakka8Bln

[PMC65]

Moreeman ... and here I thought we had made up!

Oh, I love that baby quarian pic though. Cute! But wouldn't she be in a bubble and not a suit?

[adneate]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...
I'd wondered about their heights too but figured they're both equally tall because I've seen femShep standing higher than Liara (example, Mars reunion).

It's more prespective and wether or not BioWare has the characters floating slightly higer than usual off the ground to better line up the animation references from MShep to FShep's small animation skeleton. Liara's head mesh makes her look taller, especially if FShep has a very flat hair style but her and FShep have the exact same body model in terms of height and proportions.

That being said I roll with it and say my Vanguard is shorter than Liara and my Sentinel is taller than her. Liara herself has to be at least 6 feet tall.

[Aristobulus500]

TheDonk95 wrote...

Summary: Shepard is angry at the Council and wants to de-stress with Liara. Unfortunately, they can't agree on who gets to go first... and Liara's office suffers for it. FemShep/Liara

Sounds like another Mass Effect porn- story. Although I know that Rae's stories are very, very good and don't have over- sexuality in them, this one sounds, atleast for me, too much like a 'porn story' that is beyond the limit of good taste, and that doesn't show Liara the way she is.
But I know that this is Rea, and it's only the description, so maybe I am wrong..
And I'm off to bed so I won't reply to your thoughts on my opinion soon...

(Is Rae male or female? I've been told both, honestly)

Rae is a very good writer when he wants to be, but don't mistake this - just because it's a story by Rae does not mean it's going to be some high quality tasteful story. "Can Wait" is amazing but Rae has written a ton of pure smut porn fics. And to be fair, a lot of those porn fics he gets asked to do.

And that absolutely sounds like yet another tasteless smut fic.

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Sometimes the renegade option is just dumb, case in point rejecting some one on one with Liara pre-Cronas station. Damn this is painful to watch, poor Liara you can see how utterly crushed she was, she just wants a little comfort Commander, you can save the galaxy later. Also when she gave another quick glance back at Shep when she's leaving aww, you'd knew she would have come back in a heartbeat if Shep changed his/her mind:crying:

I can't ever choose those options. It's just so heartless and cold to Liara - I can't even really watch the scene. Just how absolutely dumbfounded and crushed Liara looks is too much - when she looks back, dejected, before leaving for good it just crushes me.

[moreeman06]

PMC65 wrote...

Moreeman ... and here I thought we had made up!

Oh, I love that baby quarian pic though. Cute! But wouldn't she be in a bubble and not a suit?

well you did call Makers Mark.... what was it... oh yeah rotgut<_<  and touche she should be in a bubble but artistic liscence and all that, it's still a cute pic.   

Modifié par moreeman06, 09 juin 2012 - 01:37 .

[CrimsonN7]

Yuqi wrote...

Ajosraa wrote...

About the whole paragon/renegade thing. Id have to define myself as a Paragade. I pick most of the Paragon choises because Im trying to play a mature leader of a team, am a bit altruistic and want to help people, and is a nice person most of the time. But sometimes some things just make my Shepard snap, and he would pick the renegade line. For example I love the line with Liara when first discussing her father, "I never get to tell you anything", and I also think punching Admiral Garrell to be appropriate.

And Yuqi stop making fun of my Paragon side, were not all panzies;P

Your hurting my feelings

*snip*

I find it hard to not go fully one way or the other(Final Fantasy playing habbits). After multiple runthroughs of ME2 it's easier just to go one way, or the other.

Didn't mean to hurt your feelings  Paragon Shepard is still a pansy!

Paragon pansies unite, we'll save the galaxy and feed your cat too:innocent: I know you got a soft spot in your cold renegade heart for us Yuqi:D

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

Ajosraa wrote...

About the whole paragon/renegade thing. Id have to define myself as a Paragade. I pick most of the Paragon choises because Im trying to play a mature leader of a team, am a bit altruistic and want to help people, and is a nice person most of the time. But sometimes some things just make my Shepard snap, and he would pick the renegade line. For example I love the line with Liara when first discussing her father, "I never get to tell you anything", and I also think punching Admiral Garrell to be appropriate.

And Yuqi stop making fun of my Paragon side, were not all panzies;P

Your hurting my feelings

*snip*

I find it hard to not go fully one way or the other(Final Fantasy playing habbits). After multiple runthroughs of ME2 it's easier just to go one way, or the other.

Didn't mean to hurt your feelings  Paragon Shepard is still a pansy!

Paragon pansies unite, we'll save the galaxy and feed your cat too:innocent: I know you got a soft spot in your cold renegade heart for us Yuqi:D

How paragon are we talking about? 100%? 90%? 80%?

[CrimsonN7]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

(Is Rae male or female? I've been told both, honestly)

Rae is a very good writer when he wants to be, but don't mistake this - just because it's a story by Rae does not mean it's going to be some high quality tasteful story. "Can Wait" is amazing but Rae has written a ton of pure smut porn fics. And to be fair, a lot of those porn fics he gets asked to do.

And that absolutely sounds like yet another tasteless smut fic.

Rae's a chick, her style is lesbian fanfics, I only read her Liara/femshep stuff though and when she does it well it's brilliant but that particular story 'Frustration', I didn't like it. 

[CrimsonN7]

Lizardviking wrote...

How paragon are we talking about? 100%? 90%? 80%?

Well my canon Shep is 80% paragon, you need to get your hands dirty sometimes and in some cases renegade is just the smart option:D I've never played or do I want to play a 100% paragon Shep, that Shep seems unrealistic but playing a full renegade Shep bummed me out in ME3, in ME2 it was more fun. So when I play renegade I end up being a renegon, that's my favourite way to play.



Ah good times:wub: Ready for round two Liara?

[IliyaMoroumetz]

I'm just going to reiterate what PMC and I have discussed a few times.

Trying to decide if your Shepard is paragon or renegade is far too arbitrary and forced.

Why not just say that your Shepard is what your Shepard is?  Give us some detail.

I mean, despite being Earthborn and the Butcher of Torfan, my Nora Shepard has been trying for years to emulate the good example of a friend she knew during her years on the streets. Does she always succeed? No and in fact, she has to get up quite a bit and worries that she may lose control of her temper, because if she does, then she, and those under her command, are toast.

Granted, this is getting into areas that are better suited to fanfic, but you get the idea. People are far too complex to be given such limited and arbitrary labels.

Modifié par IliyaMoroumetz, 09 juin 2012 - 03:27 .

[Han Shot First]

How likely (or unlikely) is it that Liara had some military training prior to Mass Effect 1?

We know of course that she had been in a couple scrapes prior to Mass Effect 1, since she mentions running into mercs and pirates on some of her digs, but never encountering anything prior to Therum that her biotics could not handle. She's obviously had training on how to utilize her natural biotic abilities for combat, but was that the sole extent of her martial education? I wonder if her ability to seemlessly integrate into Shepard's team suggests some level of military education in her youth beyond just the mastery of her biotics.

Given the way the Asari military is not nationalized but rather each city-state and town fields its own units recruited from local citizens, how likely is it that the education of a city's daughters includes some level of military education, particularly among the daughters of the political elite? If the daughters of the political elite were expected to eventually step into their mother's shoes (as Benezia apparently expected of Liara, until she rebelled), would instruction on military matters and tactics be part of the grooming process for leadership? Without a nationalized military one would expect that there would be a greater reliance on local matriarchs to be knowledgeable on military matters.

To be clear, I'm not wondering whether Liara actually served in an Asari military unit before as that does not seem to be the case. I am wondering however if military education may have been part of the curriculum in Asari schools, or if the daughters of the more prominent citizens have tutors hired by the parents for that purpose.

Of course this is all speculation, but...thoughts?

Modifié par Han Shot First, 09 juin 2012 - 04:48 .

[moreeman06]

Han Shot First wrote...

How likely (or unlikely) is it that Liara had some military training prior to Mass Effect 1?

We know of course that she had been in a couple scrapes prior to Mass Effect 1, since she mentions running into mercs and pirates on some of her digs, but never encountering anything prior to Therum that her biotics could not handle. She's obviously had training on how to utilize her natural biotic abilities for combat, but was that the sole extent of her martial education? I wonder if her ability to seemlessly integrate into Shepard's team suggests some level of military education in her youth beyond just the mastery of her biotics.

Given the way the Asari military is not nationalized but rather each city-state and town fields its own units recruited from local citizens, how likely is it that the education of a city's daughters includes some level of military education, particularly among the daughters of the political elite? If the daughters of the political elite were expected to eventually step into their mother's shoes (as Benezia apparently expected of Liara, until she rebelled), would instruction on military matters and tactics be part of the grooming process for leadership? Without a nationalized military one would expect that there would be a greater reliance on local matriarchs to be knowledgeable on military matters.

To be clear, I'm not wondering whether Liara actually served in an Asari military unit before as that does not seem to be the case. I am wondering however if military education may have been part of the curriculum in Asari schools, or if the daughters of the more prominent citizens have tutors hired by the parents for that purpose.

Of course this is all speculation, but...thoughts?

she probably recieved some sort of training, they said that biotics training was a integral part of asari education.  and since asari civilization does seem to be based on that of ancient greece i would assume that there is some mandatory education even if it is just learning how to fall into step and hold a spear, throw a warp in a asari's case.   in ancient greece all soldiers were ordinary citizens who were given training and then called to battle when war loomed like the modern national guard in the USA, the lone exception would be sparta where all spartans of male descent were trained from almost birth to be soldiers and their women were given rudimentary training so that they could protect the city and keep the peace while the men were off sacking Athens/Corinth/other greek city-state.  The spartan's were able to do this because they had a large slave population that at it's largest outnumbered the actual amount of spartan males 3-1 in most estimates.  The slave population was responsible for the farming and other means of production in Sparta and were also used in annual false wars as the enemy providing training for young soldiers to learn how to kill cleanly and quickly.  these false-wars also served as a method of crowd control for the slave population

[adneate]

Han Shot First wrote...
Of course this is all speculation, but...thoughts?

Biotic training, obviously maybe even with Commandos. That being said training that approximates a Soldier Qualification or Field Craft course, no. The Asari aren't a particulariy martial culture, outside of Asari High Fleet Command I can't imagine them having places like West Point or the Royal Military Academy. Institutions like that are reflective of a more than just a citizen army, they are reflective of a command structure and broad recruitment bases along with a complex hierarchy of military command. In a society where the most elite of their warriors fight in pairs not squads that tells me that they don't have anywhere near the same attitude or approach to war and the preparation for it that we do. War for them is still very Tribal in nature, it's treated as hunting game is, just the game is other hunters. They would no more teach their children about military tactics than our public schools would.

As far as being able to intergrate into Shepard's team, that's primarily a gameplay mechanic. I just rationalize it by saying Shepard would have tutored her in the basics, with Liara proving a quick study. Training is one of the most common jobs done by Special Forces operators all of them are skilled teachers of warfare both conventional and unconventional. Turning farmers into effective guerrillas is a big part of the job. Way more than rescuing hostages and going on daring raids in the night.

[Aristobulus500]

Liara very likely didn't have specific military training - even Asari military training. Of note, she doesn't even come with a single gun skill in ME1. It's all biotics and tech - fitting her personality and such, too. Of course Asari specialize in biotics, but I'm pretty sure Asari commandos (which is the Asari military unit) receive gun training in addition to biotics training. So if she had received military training on Thessia, she would've had a gun skill.

However, she almost certainly received biotics combat training, as she's very capable of holding her own with her biotics, and says as much, that she's had to fend for herself with her biotics before. With Shepard she learns how to use a gun well and work with a squad.

[moreeman06]

 Ok I know its late and nobody's on but i might as well place the link for ch.2 of my fic "First Impressions" up here.
It takes place directly after the last chapter and deals with the immediate aftermath of their escape from Therum and delves a bit more into the initial fascination that Shepard and Liara have for eachother.

here's the link
http://moreeman06.de...Weary-307249195 

You can find the link for ch.1 in my sig or in the description for this one

As always comments and critiques are appreciated.  I am very tired right now and am going to bed but I hope you guys enjoy it and I'll probably read through it again tomorrow to try and catch some grammar mistakes that i indelibly made

[TheDonk95]

YES! Thank you so much

Ok I know its late and nobody's on but i might as well place the link for ch.2 of my fic "First Impressions" up here.
It takes place directly after the last chapter and deals with the immediate aftermath of their escape from Therum and delves a bit more into the initial fascination that Shepard and Liara have for eachother.

here's the link
http://moreeman06.de...Weary-307249195

Very nice, moreeman! Really love it. I am not in a position to 'complain' about such problems, but I think you had slight grammar problems here and there, but this is just a technical problem the writing itself is really good and I really liked the whole atmosphere of the story how everyone is tired and weary from the battle, and I also really liked the whole part when Shepard carried Liara in his arms. It was very fun to imagine.

[Yuqi]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

*snip*
Paragon pansies unite, we'll save the galaxy and feed your cat too:innocent: I know you got a soft spot in your cold renegade heart for us Yuqi:D

*Pansy Paragon pic removed*

^OH GODZ BURN IT WITH FIRE!!!

doozer12 wrote...

*snip*

It wont be your stereotypical hollywood romance thats for damn sure.
I think Liara is the only ME1/ME3 LI capable of caring for a renegade.  No one else is near empathetic enough, strong enough, and more or less wise enough to handle it/support it.  Depends on the type of renegade you play really... (I dont believe anything full fledge would work - both sides of the scale paragon and renegade 90-100% are unrealistic, cringe worthy, and nauseating as far as head canon is concerned - Im convinced if anyone goes to those extremes that Shepard is clearly not human and makes no sense that he/she would waste time to pursue a LI.) 

90% Renegade is FTW!  I agree with doozer that Liara seems to be the only one capable of caring for a Renegade, but she also tells them off when nesscary.

@IliyaMoroumetz
 I know people are more complex then that but I just don't put that much thought into any Shepard, so to me their either a Paragon, or a Renegade. (Although that might be the downside of me playing the game in multiple languages.)

@spiros9110

Rock the dragon

Edit: TOp

Modifié par Yuqi, 09 juin 2012 - 07:53 .

[kumquats]

Oh great, I have a split personality.
When is it going to be Paragons/Renegades unite or broShep/femShep. unite..
Pff, I'm doing it like Liara.

I'm Bi-Shepuel. YEAH

Or something like this....



^ Omega DLC plz.