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[Jebel Krong]

liara is certainly not the only Li that suits a renegade shepard: they all balance out to some extent (Miranda/Jack immediately spring to mind), but either way the morality system isn't really designed for the player to only pick one kind of choice or the other - you end up with a cartoon parody of shepard rather than an avatar.

[lillitheris]

Jebel Krong wrote...

liara is certainly not the only Li that suits a renegade shepard: they all balance out to some extent (Miranda/Jack immediately spring to mind), but either way the morality system isn't really designed for the player to only pick one kind of choice or the other - you end up with a cartoon parody of shepard rather than an avatar.

I briefly pondered on this, and I think the best matches for a renegade (let’s say 80%+) are probably Garrus, Miranda, and Thane (and Morinth would be, obviously). Kelly works too. I think Jack actually needs a more paragony ‘safe haven’.

[TheDonk95]

lillitheris wrote...

I briefly pondered on this, and I think the best matches for a renegade (let’s say 80%+) are probably Garrus, Miranda, and Thane (and Morinth would be, obviously). Kelly works too. I think Jack actually needs a more paragony ‘safe haven’.

I agree. Jack is a girl that have been through so, so much in her life. She needs to have a man that can treat her properly and be a good and nice guy.

[lillitheris]

TheDonk95 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

I briefly pondered on this, and I think the best matches for a renegade (let’s say 80%+) are probably Garrus, Miranda, and Thane (and Morinth would be, obviously). Kelly works too. I think Jack actually needs a more paragony ‘safe haven’.

I agree. Jack is a girl that have been through so, so much in her life. She needs to have a man that can treat her properly and be a good and nice guy.

I don’t want to suggest that a renegade couldn’t treat her properly. Renedouches are a different matter entirely. As an extreme example, think like a “Natural Born Killers” or Bonnie and Clyde-style relationship — it’s everyone else that suffers, the two are great together for the most part. I just feel that, ultimately, that wouldn’t be what she needs in the long term.

To stay somewhat on topic, I think the PShep-Jack dynamic works much better than the contrasting RShep-Liara. I just don’t see the latter, but can’t judge anyone who does…

[TheDonk95]

lillitheris wrote...
I think the PShep-Jack dynamic works much better than the contrasting RShep-Liara. I just don’t see the latter, but can’t judge anyone who does…

I also think this way. RShepard wiht Liara just doesn't seem to be fit in my opinion, she is just such a good, considering person that atleast for me, it just doesn't fit.

Modifié par TheDonk95, 09 juin 2012 - 11:56 .

[Akernis]

moreeman06 wrote...
seriously i love this though and i feel like that varren just might be named urz

Artst's Comments: Kaya Shepard and Liara's first born daughter (I plan on them on having more) and her name is Tamara. And yes, that is a stuff toy of Urz.

Just found this one.

[rubynorman]

I support PShep & Liara and RShep but doesn't treat Liara like garbage.

[Akernis]

While I prefer PShep* with Liara I don't really have a problem with RShep* being with her, especially due to Wingedmoggy's comics, as long as Liara is treated with love, kindness and repsect.
 
*In both cases I mean a mostly Paragon or Renegade Shepard, either extreme is bad in my opinion, a pure Paragon will not even help Liara on Ilium or accept her less than holy side, and a pure renegade... well Liara derseves way better.

Modifié par Akernis, 09 juin 2012 - 03:00 .

[MrStoob]

I think the problem would stem from ReneShep's actions. After Shep unnecessarily shoots someone in the face, how is Liara going to react to that? It's not something that came up in-game, but they must have to resolve it somehow. I've tried exploring this in FF, but only got as far as one chapter.

[MidnightRaith]

In ME1, Liara doesn't approve of Shepard's actions if you give the evidence you acquire at Synthetic Insights on Noveria to Anoleis instead of the turian. I can't remember what she says but she disapproves of doing anything just to advance the mission.

[moreeman06]

TheDonk95 wrote...

YES! Thank you so much

Ok I know its late and nobody's on but i might as well place the link for ch.2 of my fic "First Impressions" up here.
It takes place directly after the last chapter and deals with the immediate aftermath of their escape from Therum and delves a bit more into the initial fascination that Shepard and Liara have for eachother.

here's the link
http://moreeman06.de...Weary-307249195

Very nice, moreeman! Really love it. I am not in a position to 'complain' about such problems, but I think you had slight grammar problems here and there, but this is just a technical problem the writing itself is really good and I really liked the whole atmosphere of the story how everyone is tired and weary from the battle, and I also really liked the whole part when Shepard carried Liara in his arms. It was very fun to imagine.

Thanks, yeah i knew there had to be grammatical mistakes somewhere but it's going to be a slow day at work so I'll start looking over it now.  and I'm happy you liked it I was a little worried if Shepard carrying Liara would come off as too much too soon.  and just a question Liara's childhood memory didn't come off as to OOC or anything did it,  I always imagined that Liara would have very few memories that were of her and Benezia due to Benezia's position but that she would have cherished each of them like little treasures.

[moreeman06]

Akernis wrote...

moreeman06 wrote...
seriously i love this though and i feel like that varren just might be named urz

Artst's Comments: Kaya Shepard and Liara's first born daughter (I plan on them on having more) and her name is Tamara. And yes, that is a stuff toy of Urz.

Just found this one.

Yeah i noticed that when the pic eventually came up on my DA account.  I resisted the urge to say i called that being urz on BSN in the comments section:P

[TheDonk95]

@moreeman, the part with Shepard carrying Liara in his hands wasn't too soon, because it was just to carry her to the Med Bay, they aren't in love in that part. And the part with Liara remembering about her childhood with Benezia was also really good. You and Theo have, in my opinion, very good writing skills and you should write more.

[PMC65]

If you think Liara is always pure take Kaidan and Liara on all the ME1 missions and see her other side ... She questioned Shepard's decision with Major Kyle, shot Saren in the head ... etc., etc. I liked some missions with her and Kaidan together while others (the two mentioned above) not so much. Liara with a nice mix of dark and light really worked for me though in ME1.

And take both Liara and Wrex to Noveria ... that mission touched both of them personally. Wrex has the best line there and the first time I heard it ... did a double take as I laughed.

Now, off to a day of beach walking, sushi and then Prometheus!!!!!!!!

[moreeman06]

TheDonk95 wrote...

@moreeman, the part with Shepard carrying Liara in his hands wasn't too soon, because it was just to carry her to the Med Bay, they aren't in love in that part. And the part with Liara remembering about her childhood with Benezia was also really good. You and Theo have, in my opinion, very good writing skills and you should write more.

Thanks i fixed some of the grammatical mistakes that Akernis pointed out.  and ok my biggest concern was that some of the description would make my shepard come off like a creepy stalker as oppossed to just someone that was fascinated with her and that the memory would be viewed OOC for either Liara the naive analytical intellectual, or Benezia.  I'm glad you don't think that though:lol:

[lillitheris]

PMC65 wrote...

She questioned Shepard's decision with Major Kyle, shot Saren in the head ... 

I’m not one to claim Liara a naïve virginal maiden*, but at the same time, I feel it’s a little disingenuous to use shooting Saren as an example of a ‘dark side’. He is the guy who not only directly caused her mother’s death, but also corrupted her and her legacy before that…

Major Kyle I’ve never played because I don’t really like the angsty backgrounds.


* See “Unity” for corroborating evidence…I think Liara’s been in every chapter since the tenth.

Modifié par lillitheris, 09 juin 2012 - 04:39 .

[Theodoro]

Quick announcement - I've just released my sequel to 'A Walk on Thessia' - A Day to Remember! First, I want to thank Aristobulus for helping me so much with this story - for being a beta reader and for his many suggestions - he helped me out a great deal! Thanks again, man!

The story is set about a week or so after 'A Walk on Thessia', and even if you haven't read it, you would have no problem understanding the plot of 'A Day to Remember'. It explores more of the asari homeworld and sets the scene for a special day that Shepard and Liara have just for themselves, enjoying the peace and comfort of the planet and celebrating the defeat of the Reapers - which has happened one year ago. The story can be considered AU because ME3's ending is not canon here, the Star Child doesn't exist and the Mass Relays are not destroyed and galactic civilization continues.

If you read it, I'd love to have your thoughts on it! You guys are the inspiration for me writing Shepard/Liara stories!

P.S. I'll now look over your own story, Moreeman, and while I'm a little late, I'll give 'Unity' a look, as well, since I see that a new chapter has been released.

Modifié par Theodoro, 09 juin 2012 - 04:46 .

[Aristobulus500]

Theodoro wrote...

Quick announcement - I've just released my sequel to 'A Walk on Thessia' - A Day to Remember! First, I want to thank Aristobulus for helping me so much with this story - for being a beta reader and for his many suggestions - he helped me out a great deal! Thanks again, man!

The story is set about a week or so after 'A Walk on Thessia', and even if you haven't read it, you would have no problem understanding the plot of 'A Day to Remember'. It explores more of the asari homeworld and sets the scene for a special day that Shepard and Liara have just for themselves, enjoying the peace and comfort of the planet and celebrating the defeat of the Reapers - which has happened one year ago. The story can be considered AU because ME3's ending is not canon here, the Star Child doesn't exist and the Mass Relays are not destroyed and galactic civilization continues.

If you read it, I'd love to have your thoughts on it! You guys are the inspiration for me writing Shepard/Liara stories!

P.S. I'll now look over your own story, Moreeman, and while I'm a little late, I'll give 'Unity' a look, as well, since I see that a new chapter has been released.

To anyone that hasn't read it, here is a link to Theo's first fic. http://www.fanfictio...Walk_on_Thessia

But Theo's new fic is definitely worth reading - I really like it, and find it to be a great deeper look at Asari culture. You see more of Thessia here than you did in the first one, and it's just - it's all very fitting. There's some new things introduced here but it's all very in character, very easy to fit into a headcanon without it breaking canon or lore from the actual game. It's very easy to see things happening just like this on Thessia, and for Shep/Liara.

What's striking to me is just the general differences between a Thessian city and an Earth city - from the architecture to attitudes. Thessia just sounds like a more exotic, clean place. Humans are so focused on pure function and tech in a race to get ahead that the cities have become polluted, Asari still preserve natural resources and wildlife/plantlife, and even integrate it into their major cities - this also fits given that Asari have less of a problem with overpopulation than humans do.

And it's just interesting to see Shepard not the master of his domain, making mistakes as he tries to integrate into Asari society and fumbles a bit because his first instinct is to react as if it's a human society.

Even aside from how this shows off more of Asari culture in general though, is just, a deeper look at Shep/Liara's relationship. And I like that Theo keeps Liara characterized as not just a submissive trophy wife to hang off Shepard's side. She does have her own opinions and essentially takes charge to lead Shepard around - I liked the bit about Aria where Liara shows that she would've had a very different opinion of Aria than Shepard would've - it's something I never considered throughout the games, yet it makes perfect sense. After all, Shepard only meets the Aria that Aria wants him to meet, whereas Liara with her SB resources would've known the true Aria, and just how cruel she could really be.

The ending is really powerful and poignant, too. A retooling of the beacon/gift scene in ME3, with a similar bittersweet tone - I like that the gift isn't just for Shepard - it serves a purpose for Liara that Shep doesn't even realize, and it deals with the tragedy Liara will eventually have to face - but it shows that she has her own way of dealing with things.

And finally, just as a note, I really do like that Theo is making this a MaleShep/Liara - there's just subtle differences to how that affects their relationship and such that's interesting to see play out, even before you start talking about the obvious differences in interactions when they get more intimate...

And just, after seeing so many fanfics focus on a FemShep/Liara, it just - it's really nice to see the other side. Especially since I played a MaleShep and all. But I've literally never read another fanfic that used a MaleShep and tried to keep the emotion and passion between them, and didn't just delve into a power fantasy of Shep SHOOTIN GUNZ or just a smut fic, so this is different and I like it.

[TheDonk95]

Theodoro wrote...

Quick announcement - I've just released my sequel to 'A Walk on Thessia' - A Day to Remember! First, I want to thank Aristobulus for helping me so much with this story - for being a beta reader and for his many suggestions - he helped me out a great deal! Thanks again, man!

The story is set about a week or so after 'A Walk on Thessia', and even if you haven't read it, you would have no problem understanding the plot of 'A Day to Remember'. It explores more of the asari homeworld and sets the scene for a special day that Shepard and Liara have just for themselves, enjoying the peace and comfort of the planet and celebrating the defeat of the Reapers - which has happened one year ago. The story can be considered AU because ME3's ending is not canon here, the Star Child doesn't exist and the Mass Relays are not destroyed and galactic civilization continues.

If you read it, I'd love to have your thoughts on it! You guys are the inspiration for me writing Shepard/Liara stories!

P.S. I'll now look over your own story, Moreeman, and while I'm a little late, I'll give 'Unity' a look, as well, since I see that a new chapter has been released.

Woah man... really.. I am speechless. Are you taking any special writing lessons or something like that?
Seriously, that was absolutley incredible. Every single part of this story brought a smile to my face. Starting from when you described Armali's market, then the garden and the lake with all the people walking by, then The Godess' statue. Absolutley amazing. The part with Shepard and Liara at the restaurant really made me feel warmth and happiness inside me. I really love your headcanon of Thessia, and the way you describe the conversation between Shepard and Liara - you can really feel the love in the air. PLEASE write more. MORE. Yes, you are talented, and I like the story (short version).
Aristo, if Theo one day will become a famous writer, you should represent him or something.

Sorry if my reviews are too short, because, really, you have written and described things so incredibly in this story and in 'A Walk on Thessia' that I literally don't know where to begin. Just know that the way you 'invent' new things about the Asari culture and the way you describe Thessia, and ofcourse the way you describe Shepard and Liara(!!!!!) is REALLY good in my opinion.
I was really looking forward to your new fanfic since 'A Walk on Thessia' - and you didn't disappoint me.

Modifié par TheDonk95, 09 juin 2012 - 05:16 .

[Theodoro]

@Aristobulus: 

Thanks so much for your review of the story and for your help - It all started as a simple idea to make an epilogue for Shepard and Liara, but as I said earlier, I'm thinking of making this a series, each story exploring more of the planet and brining us to another level of Shepard and Liara's relationship and its growth. The potential for further exploration is undeniable. Such ideas show that Mass Effect does not necessarily need an ongoing conflict or war to be interesting - BioWare have provided us with a universe that we can simply explore and delve into, and it can still be something worth seeing!

@Donk:

Thank you for your kind words and thoughts! I'm not taking writing lessons or anything, but reading others' stories is both inspirational and helpful when it comes to writing my own stories and it has helped me out a great deal. Though there's definitely a lot more to be learned for me, and I doubt there will ever be a time where I won't have something to learn. Oh, and don't worry - you do not have to give lengthy reviews or anything - you don't even have to read the story at all, but I'm glad you did and just knowing that you liked it is enough of a motivation to continue! (And you're giving me too much credit - I doubt I'll be a famous writer or anything - there are so many talented authors in this thread alone! But the thought is appreciated!)

Modifié par Theodoro, 09 juin 2012 - 05:21 .

[TheDonk95]

^If you'll keep writing such good stories I think some publishing company will eventually approach you... But seriously, didn't mean to embaress you or anything, you writing is amazing - and that's it

Modifié par TheDonk95, 09 juin 2012 - 05:24 .

[Jebel Krong]

TheDonk95 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
I think the PShep-Jack dynamic works much better than the contrasting RShep-Liara. I just don’t see the latter, but can’t judge anyone who does…

I also think this way. RShepard wiht Liara just doesn't seem to be fit in my opinion, she is just such a good, considering person that atleast for me, it just doesn't fit.

me1 liara maybe. before the sudden and violent education shep brings. if you think that about her by me2 you're ignoring a lot of the character development from then on. me2/3 liara is not the same naive scientist goody two-shoes: she's matured and aware of the true nature of the universe (the ironic catalyst being dhepard's death). her confrontation with javik or becoming the shadow broker is evidence enough of that (do you think being the shadow broker is all sweetness and light?). she remains one of the more inherently paragon characters, yes and that just balances a renegade shepard perfectly.

[lillitheris]

Jebel Krong wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
I think the PShep-Jack dynamic works much better than the contrasting RShep-Liara. I just don’t see the latter, but can’t judge anyone who does…

I also think this way. RShepard wiht Liara just doesn't seem to be fit in my opinion, she is just such a good, considering person that atleast for me, it just doesn't fit.

me1 liara maybe. before the sudden and violent education shep brings. if you think that about her by me2 you're ignoring a lot of the character development from then on. me2/3 liara is not the same naive scientist goody two-shoes: she's matured and aware of the true nature of the universe (the ironic catalyst being dhepard's death). her confrontation with javik or becoming the shadow broker is evidence enough of that (do you think being the shadow broker is all sweetness and light?). she remains one of the more inherently paragon characters, yes and that just balances a renegade shepard perfectly.

I don’t really have any interest in debating with you if you resort to reductionist arguments already.

…

Hint: I don’t think in terms of “naive scientist goody two-shoes” or “sweetness and light”. You’re welcome to read what I’ve written to get a more accurate picture.

I tried to imply it earlier, but to spell it out: the problem isn’t whether Liara could hang out with a Renegade Shepard (who avoids the douche options w/ her) if they were stuck on an empty planet just the two of them. The problem, as I see it, is how Shepard treats everyone else.

But you’re welcome to think as you will.

Modifié par lillitheris, 09 juin 2012 - 05:39 .

[moreeman06]

Theodoro wrote...

Quick announcement - I've just released my sequel to 'A Walk on Thessia' - A Day to Remember! First, I want to thank Aristobulus for helping me so much with this story - for being a beta reader and for his many suggestions - he helped me out a great deal! Thanks again, man!

The story is set about a week or so after 'A Walk on Thessia', and even if you haven't read it, you would have no problem understanding the plot of 'A Day to Remember'. It explores more of the asari homeworld and sets the scene for a special day that Shepard and Liara have just for themselves, enjoying the peace and comfort of the planet and celebrating the defeat of the Reapers - which has happened one year ago. The story can be considered AU because ME3's ending is not canon here, the Star Child doesn't exist and the Mass Relays are not destroyed and galactic civilization continues.

If you read it, I'd love to have your thoughts on it! You guys are the inspiration for me writing Shepard/Liara stories!

P.S. I'll now look over your own story, Moreeman, and while I'm a little late, I'll give 'Unity' a look, as well, since I see that a new chapter has been released.

Theo same here when i get off of work I'll take a look at yours also i can't remember if i posted a review for your first one on here or not.  If I didn't I'll put a comprehensive one up later although i do have to say for now that i thought Walk on Thessia was excellent and no offense to everyone else but I love that you did a mshep/liara fic just because I haven't found many that are really that well done that I've enjoyed.  Akernis I'm still waiting for yours to continue also

edit: can someone save me on top I'm doing everything mobile right now

Modifié par moreeman06, 09 juin 2012 - 05:53 .

[TheDonk95]

Jebel Krong wrote...

me1 liara maybe. before the sudden and violent education shep brings. if you think that about her by me2 you're ignoring a lot of the character development from then on. me2/3 liara is not the same naive scientist goody two-shoes: she's matured and aware of the true nature of the universe (the ironic catalyst being dhepard's death). her confrontation with javik or becoming the shadow broker is evidence enough of that (do you think being the shadow broker is all sweetness and light?). she remains one of the more inherently paragon characters, yes and that just balances a renegade shepard perfectly.

I agree that she has made a very big change in her character from ME1 to 2 and 3, and I know that being an information broker and the Shadow Broker involves being aggrasive, strong and sometimes violent, but in her core, she is still the same Liara, she hasn't turned bad or even mean to anyone, and the confortation with Javik was really a one time event because she was 'destroyed from the inside' about what happened to Thessia and her people, and Javik wasn't polite and didn't talked to her with sympathy after what happened to her, so she was very angry. But this is the only time she has acted this way. Even when she was the Shadow Broker and when she was helping Shepard on Mars, she was still the good old sweet Liara from the inside. She is alot more mature in ME 2 and 3, but that doesn't mean she isn't still a sweet person.

Modifié par TheDonk95, 09 juin 2012 - 05:56 .