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[moreeman06]

TheDonk95 wrote...

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...


Ah! *light bulb goes on*   Now I understand why the drink is used in certain settings.

@fluffywalrus and PMC65, thanks!

Another question : is there a site (I don't mean Wiki ME) that lists all things Asari? From every important thing to the most mundane.  

What's wrong with ME Wikipeida? I think everything you need to know is there.

I use ME Universe sometimes its a fan made database and mixes in whats established in ME with supporting material made up by fans.  I've only used it for my Blue Dawn Fics though because it expanded Omega beyond the three sectors we see in the game.  It basically took what was described about Omega and used it as a starting point to make the different levels of the station.

[Tyranniac]

Anybody mind filling me in on the last 20 pages or so?

[Han Shot First]

Yuqi wrote...

What would you guys do if Liara was the only LI who didn't get a LI DLC?

I wouldn't mind, personally.

Liara has the best written romance arc of the series and had the best content in Mass Effect 3. Other than dropping the word 'friend' a couple of times when she probably shouldn't have, I don't have any complaints about Liara's content in ME3. And even that is a relatively minor complaint. Also Liara already had the best DLC of the series thus far devoted to her, so if they released DLC that focused on the Virmire Survivor for example, I certainly wouldn't complain.

Throw it in the faces of everyone who said that Liara was Bioware's Golden Girl.

Also, that.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 10 juin 2012 - 05:34 .

[Aristobulus500]

Tyranniac wrote...

Anybody mind filling me in on the last 20 pages or so?

Theo wrote this

A Day to Remember

[moreeman06]

Tyranniac wrote...

Anybody mind filling me in on the last 20 pages or so?

Theo wrote a new fic 
http://www.fanfictio...Day_to_Remember 

I started a new one 
http://moreeman06.de...t.com/#/d52ooyx 

Me and PMC came to a uneasy truce which may or may not have been broken

someone posed the question of whether Liara has any military training?

and we had some is Liara really a virgin or not talk

oh and Yuqi hates paragons...

[Akernis]

moreeman06 wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

Anybody mind filling me in on the last 20 pages or so?

Theo wrote a new fic 
http://www.fanfictio...Day_to_Remember 

I started a new one 
http://moreeman06.de...t.com/#/d52ooyx 

Me and PMC came to a uneasy truce which may or may not have been broken

someone posed the question of whether Liara has any military training?

and we had some is Liara really a virgin or not talk

oh and Yuqi hates paragons...

Yeah I think that about sums it up, Crazygreggy put a couple new fics up as well.

[Han Shot First]

she probably recieved some sort of training, they said that biotics training was a integral part of asari education.  and since asari civilization does seem to be based on that of ancient greece i would assume that there is some mandatory education even if it is just learning how to fall into step and hold a spear, throw a warp in a asari's case.   in ancient greece all soldiers were ordinary citizens who were given training and then called to battle when war loomed like the modern national guard in the USA, the lone exception would be sparta where all spartans of male descent were trained from almost birth to be soldiers and their women were given rudimentary training so that they could protect the city and keep the peace while the men were off sacking Athens/Corinth/other greek city-state.  The spartan's were able to do this because they had a large slave population that at it's largest outnumbered the actual amount of spartan males 3-1 in most estimates.  The slave population was responsible for the farming and other means of production in Sparta and were also used in annual false wars as the enemy providing training for young soldiers to learn how to kill cleanly and quickly.  these false-wars also served as a method of crowd control for the slave population

Considering how the Asari military is not nationalized, but rather is organized at the local level with commanding officers that are elected(!), I would also think that training in the art of war would either be part of the curriculum for all Asari, or would be conducted by private tutors hired by parents who were preparing a daughter for a possible future in civic leadership. Since the Asari are not a particularly martial culture, perhaps the latter would be more likely. With no national army and with military units raised at the local city-state level, like Ancient Greece I would think some knowledge of military affairs would also be a expected of people in leadership positions within those city-states.

If that is the case, Liara may have had a tutor hired for that purpose by Benezia when she was young. Though I could picture the young Liara being disinterested and distracted, with no desire to follow her mother's path.

At any rate, it could offer a possible explanation on how Liara was able to seemlessly integrate into Shepard's team with at least a basic understanding of squad and fire team tactics, and the ability to at least a handle a pistol. The other alternative is that a significant amount of time passes between Therum and the next mission Liara accompanies Shepard on, that she's been given a crash course. But trying to make sense of the Mass Effect timeline is a hopeless endeavor.

[moreeman06]

Forgot about those 

CrazyGreggy wrote...

2 more short fics. One is very much Liara and my own femshep, Kira. The other centres on Hannah, but within the same Kira/Liara continuity.

Hope you like and feel like commenting either here or on my DA page 

Collars, Rings and Garters

Interludes and Missives

Moar Liara!

[Han Shot First]

link

[dunstan1993]

 Source: http://hallucinogenm...rites/#/d4w3wmj



I'm not sure if this has been posted before, but I felt obliged to share it just incase it hadn't.
This is my favourite Liara picture to date, it's set years after Shepard's death and Liara is mourning him/her.

[Akernis]

dunstan1993 wrote...

 Source: http://hallucinogenm...rites/#/d4w3wmj
*snip*
I'm not sure if this has been posted before, but I felt obliged to share it just incase it hadn't.
This is my favourite Liara picture to date, it's set years after Shepard's death and Liara is mourning him/her.

It has, but that does not matter, it is an excellent picture, though in my headcanon, here Liara is waiting for Shepard returning from his latest taxing/dangerous mission and she is happy to see him back safe and unharmed.
Rather than mourning sad liara that looks like happy Liara to me 

Also Wingedmoggy just made a new comic, the first of her ME3 series

[CrazyGreggy]

Akernis wrote...
Also Wingedmoggy just made a new comic, the first of her ME3 series

Girl's a genius. Even if she does forget Mother's Day

[Aristobulus500]

Her Shepard creeps me out a bit, but I do find it interesting just how common the desire is among the fanbase, to have a more fleshed out post-Thessia scene.

[Theodoro]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Her Shepard creeps me out a bit, but I do find it interesting just how common the desire is among the fanbase, to have a more fleshed out post-Thessia scene.

Can't say that's surprising - there is absolutely no difference between the romance and a non-romance version of that scene, and those who have Liara as a LI don't get the opportunity to console her the way they want to. Shepard is way too distant in the whole exchange and Liara needed more than just a few words to be comforted. Simply giving Shepard the opportunity to give Liara a hug would have made all the difference in how the scene plays out.

[Aristobulus500]

Theodoro wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Her Shepard creeps me out a bit, but I do find it interesting just how common the desire is among the fanbase, to have a more fleshed out post-Thessia scene.

Can't say that's surprising - there is absolutely no difference between the romance and a non-romance version of that scene, and those who have Liara as a LI don't get the opportunity to console her the way they want to. Shepard is way too distant in the whole exchange and Liara needed more than just a few words to be comforted. Simply giving Shepard the opportunity to give Liara a hug would have made all the difference in how the scene plays out.

Well, yes, of course I acknowledge that, I simply mean how universal the desire is, provided the person isn't a dedicated Liara-hater they seem to want this and pretty strongly. Across many types of players too, MaleSheps/FemSheps, hardcore Paragons/Renegades and inbetween.

Edit - In short, it reminds me of how universal the complaints were about Liara's appearance in vanilla ME2.

Modifié par Aristobulus500, 10 juin 2012 - 08:27 .

[CrimsonN7]

Akernis wrote...

Also Wingedmoggy just made a new comic, the first of her ME3 series

Awesome, I love her comics thanks for the new post:D

I don't know bout you guys/girls but I for one would have really liked to have seen some dialogue between Liara and Miranda in particular to them running into one another's path in retrieving Shep's body from the Shadowbroker. Even when Liara came aboard the Normandy in ME2, a quick acknowledgement or chat would have been cool. Knowing that Liara didn't trust Cerberus and even though she was responsible for handing over Shep's body to them a scene between these two would have been very interesting, quite tense perhaps as Liara would be very protective and concerned for Shep^_^

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 10 juin 2012 - 08:33 .

[Theodoro]

Aristobulus500 wrote...
Well, yes, of course I acknowledge that, I simply mean how universal the desire is, provided the person isn't a dedicated Liara-hater they seem to want this and pretty strongly. Across many types of players too, MaleSheps/FemSheps, hardcore Paragons/Renegades and inbetween.

Edit - In short, it reminds me of how universal the complaints were about Liara's appearance in vanilla ME2.

Yeah, I see what you mean. Just like I'd guess that the desire for abolishment of 'friendzoning' in the Citadel Date scene is also something universal among Liaramancers. I'd expect that a lot of have already made their own version as to how that works out, either in fiction, renders or in comics like that one that Akernis posted. 

These two scenes are a proof that even Liara's romance is not perfect to the point that people have headcanon-ed their own versions of them. So even if we did get more content, the romance still left something to be desired - not as much as the others, of course - the rest of it was incredible, and we're really lucky to have as much content with Liara as we do.

Modifié par Theodoro, 10 juin 2012 - 08:36 .

[IliyaMoroumetz]

I'm probably one of the few folks that don't care much for Wingedmoggy's comics or her(?)Shepard. From what I've gleamed, she chose Morinth over Samara and executed Shiala. And frankly, there are times when she comes off as a psycho to me. Honestly, who in their right mind would follow someone like that?

[TheDonk95]

^I never actually liked comics written in the way she does, so I don't read her comics.

[Theodoro]

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

I'm probably one of the few folks that don't care much for Wingedmoggy's comics or her(?)Shepard. From what I've gleamed, she chose Morinth over Samara and executed Shiala. And frankly, there are times when she comes off as a psycho to me. Honestly, who in their right mind would follow someone like that?

If there are a few truly evil acts in the game (not specifically Renegade), it's precisely those two. Not only are they completely pointless other than the fact to just explore what the other choice was, but it also brings the point of Liara and a Shepard who's done these acts and why I just can't see them being together afterwards. I simply don't see Liara falling for a Shepard who mercilessly kills people for no good reason like Shiala or Rana, and participates in conspiracies like the one on Tuchanka with the sabotaged genophage cure and kills Mordin. No Liara I know of would condone these actions.

Modifié par Theodoro, 10 juin 2012 - 08:39 .

[Aristobulus500]

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

I'm probably one of the few folks that don't care much for Wingedmoggy's comics or her(?)Shepard. From what I've gleamed, she chose Morinth over Samara and executed Shiala. And frankly, there are times when she comes off as a psycho to me. Honestly, who in their right mind would follow someone like that?

You're not alone in thinking this. Her Shepard creeps me out and disturbs me, as I've said, and it feels really - it doesn't fit to see this character being all emotional and love-y towards Liara, and moreover to have Liara reciprocating, to such an evil character. She even looks like a terminator.

Really, it just goes back to how evil Renegades are, and how outright sociopathic they can be - and the more Renegade a character is, the stronger they lean towards sociopathy - and so strong Renegade characters, I just can't see them together with Liara, in both ways - I can't see that Shepard liking Liara, and I can't see Liara liking that Shepard. Shepard should be completely disinterested in Liara, and Liara should be horrified by Shepard and traumatized herself that she has to work with such horrible person for the sake of the galaxy.

This is one of the failings of ME, I've always held, that is something DA:O actually did better - ME doesn't want to "punish" you for choosing certain moral paths, so characters will always like you. It can make them act extremely out of character, and really weakens the strength of their character, whereas in DA:O if you act a certain path too strongly, some characters will never like you, and it makes them feel stronger, more consistent, and more realistic.

It doesn't mean I think DA:O's characters were better - I don't, but it's one of the few things they did do better, and I really wish ME would've done.

[DOsquareZER]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Akernis wrote...

Also Wingedmoggy just made a new comic, the first of her ME3 series

Awesome, I love her comics thanks for the new post:D

I don't know bout you guys/girls but I for one would have really liked to have seen some dialogue between Liara and Miranda in particular to them running into one another's path in retrieving Shep's body from the Shadowbroker. Even when Liara came aboard the Normandy in ME2, a quick acknowledgement or chat would have been cool. Knowing that Liara didn't trust Cerberus and even though she was responsible for handing over Shep's body to them a scene between these two would have been very interesting, quite tense perhaps as Liara would be very protective and concerned for Shep^_^

*snip*

Yea, I was kind of surprised (not disappointed) at the lack of exploration/dialogue between Miri and Liara - it was like they were putting that extra effort into avoiding each other or you know, not look in each other's general direction of occupied space complete with awkward throat clearing noises.  Liara perhaps was still ashamed for handing shep to cerberus or something, the sight of miranda just re-opens the old wound, so to speak or still jealous miranda went with shep to face the collectors and she didn't ionno.  Miranda ...i have a few ''head canon'' reasons why she avoids not just Liara but also Shepard in general unless she wants something serious and is otherwise totally out of options... (the rehashed and shoddily done SAVE MY SISTER loyalty quest...again - yeesh)
We'll just go with the "doesn't want to comlicate" things reason, and avoids Shepard's life circles entirely (or tries to - that includes Liara)

Modifié par doozer12, 10 juin 2012 - 08:50 .

[Theodoro]

Spot on, Aristobulus - I agree whole-heartedly. I just don't see Liara even wanting to pursue something, not even friendship, with a Shepard who performs evil actions and kills people for sport and for the heck of it.

Part of the reason Liara is fascinated by Shepard, I feel, is because she sees something different in him/her than other humans: she specifically says that the galaxy sees humanity as something of a bully, and it's up to a person like Shepard to change their minds. It's Shepard's good heart, forgiveness, kindness and charity that Liara appreciates, not his/her cruelty and for being a "the ends justify the means" kind of person.

That is why there should have been an impact on characters depending on Shepard's morality and his/her decisions, everyone, and just like in KotOR (I don't know how it is in DA:O), they tell what they think of your decisions and react to them accordingly. Part of it would either open or close doors to potential romances. And Liara's one would be closed to an evil Renegade. It just doesn't make sense.

Modifié par Theodoro, 10 juin 2012 - 08:49 .

[lillitheris]

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

I'm probably one of the few folks that don't care much for Wingedmoggy's comics or her(?)Shepard. From what I've gleamed, she chose Morinth over Samara and executed Shiala. And frankly, there are times when she comes off as a psycho to me. Honestly, who in their right mind would follow someone like that?

Just to point out that in Moggy’s case comic is just that.

Edit: Hm, top… Haven’t seen this in a while:

Modifié par lillitheris, 10 juin 2012 - 09:04 .

[Aristobulus500]

What, you mean to imply that the strips are purely for humor purposes? That really doesn't seem to fit, considering how deep and emotional and serious she's trying to portray Liara and Shep as - consoling eachother in their dark, weak, vulnerable moments and all isn't really a scene for comedy.