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[CrimsonN7]

doozer12 wrote...

Yea, I was kind of surprised (not disappointed) at the lack of exploration/dialogue between Miri and Liara - it was like they were putting that extra effort into avoiding each other or you know, not look in each other's general direction of occupied space complete with awkward throat clearing noises.  Liara perhaps was still ashamed for handing shep to cerberus or something, the sight of miranda just re-opens the old wound, so to speak or still jealous miranda went with shep to face the collectors and she didn't ionno.  Miranda ...i have a few ''head canon'' reasons why she avoids not just Liara but also Shepard in general unless she wants something serious and is otherwise totally out of options... (the rehashed and shoddily done SAVE MY SISTER loyalty quest...again - yeesh)
We'll just go with the "doesn't want to comlicate" things reason, and avoids Shepard's life circles entirely (or tries to - that includes Liara)

Yeah true dat, I like Miranda and you can see how much she admires Shep and desperately craves Shep's approval, I guess she tries to live up to her 'perfect' image and would exhaust all avenues before asking for help, proberly not wanting to appear weak, and she's a pretty independant woman too prefering to get the problem sorted herself first. Ugh don't get me started on that save my sister plot, when I first played ME3 I was like seriously this again, ugh b*tch please save the kid on your own time, I gotta unite races who hate one another's guts I don't have time for this<_< They could have put Miranda's ex-Cerberus links to so much more use in ME3, I wouldn't of minded having her as a permanent squaddie in ME3, remove some dead weight from the cargo- bay first though *cough Vega cough*

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 10 juin 2012 - 09:27 .

[IliyaMoroumetz]

lillitheris wrote...

Just to point out that in Moggy’s case comic is just that.

Eh, fair enough.

And nice pic, by the way,

[Akernis]

Theodoro wrote...

Spot on, Aristobulus - I agree whole-heartedly. I just don't see Liara even wanting to pursue something, not even friendship, with a Shepard who performs evil actions and kills people for sport and for the heck of it.

Part of the reason Liara is fascinated by Shepard, I feel, is because she sees something different in him/her than other humans: she specifically says that the galaxy sees humanity as something of a bully, and it's up to a person like Shepard to change their minds. It's Shepard's good heart, forgiveness, kindness and charity that Liara appreciates, not his/her cruelty and for being a "the ends justify the means" kind of person.

That is why there should have been an impact on characters depending on Shepard's morality and his/her decisions, everyone, and just like in KotOR (I don't know how it is in DA:O), they tell what they think of your decisions and react to them accordingly. Part of it would either open or close doors to potential romances. And Liara's one would be closed to an evil Renegade. It just doesn't make sense.

I agree with both of you, I really doubt that Liara would feel atracted to an all out renegade. One of the reasons (beyond it simply feeling way better) that I play paragon.

Though I will have to say that I still enjoy Wingedmoggy's comics even if her Shepard is more than a bit renegade, I don't take them that seriously and by that extension I don't think they are that bad, even if I strongly disagree with some of the choices.
At the least she treats Liara well.

lillitheris wrote...
Edit: Hm, top… Haven’t seen this in a while:

Very nice  I haven't seen that one before, where did you find that? 

Modifié par Akernis, 10 juin 2012 - 09:36 .

[noxiuniversitas1]

Hey guys,

I'm completely new to the thread but was hoping to get some insight on a mild problem I can't seem to settle on a solution to. Apolgies if its been re-hashed a million times.

Basically, I have a Shep who's had some unpleasant experiences in life. She's not the devil, but she's not a saint either... I suppose she does good/bad things depending on what the situation dictates. She has trust issues but recently got some trouble life-changing news. Aside from trying to decide if she's gonna share it with Liara, I'm having trouble deciding how exactly Liara would react to being kept at an arm's length. Would she insist on being let in or give Shep time? They're just friends at this point.

It's ME1 Liara, and I know I might as well flip a coin, but I'm just really interested in what you guys have to say. Thanks for the input!

Modifié par noxiuniversitas1, 10 juin 2012 - 09:46 .

[Aristobulus500]

I don't think Liara would like it, but I think she would be respectful and give Shep space if it's what she really wants - especially since this is before they become really attached, where I can imagine Liara being a bit more forceful about getting Shep to open up and not bottle things up.

[lillitheris]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Hey guys,

I'm completely new to the thread but was hoping to get some insight on a mild problem I can't seem to settle on a solution to. Apolgies if its been re-hashed a million times.

Basically, I have a Shep who's had some unpleasant experiences in life. She's not the devil, but she's not a saint either... I suppose she does good/bad things depending on what the situation dictates. She has trust issues but recently got some trouble life-changing news. Aside from trying to decide if she's gonna share it with Liara, I'm having trouble deciding how exactly Liara would react to being kept at an arm's length. Would she insist on being let in or give Shep time? They're just friends at this point.

There’s no right answer: Why would Shepard tell Liara, or even want to? Why would Liara care if she was told or not?

…

I think the picture link is originally from HTL? I don’t remember.

Modifié par lillitheris, 10 juin 2012 - 09:53 .

[noxiuniversitas1]

But, would she try and squeeze it out of Shep, or would her timidness / awkwardness get the better of her?

[lillitheris]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

But, would she try and squeeze it out of Shep, or would her timidness / awkwardness get the better of her?

Why would she want to? Why is it of interest to her? How does she know about it? Does it have some noticeable effect on Shepard? Does Liara know the nature of this news?

Modifié par lillitheris, 10 juin 2012 - 09:56 .

[DOsquareZER]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Hey guys,

I'm completely new to the thread but was hoping to get some insight on a mild problem I can't seem to settle on a solution to. Apolgies if its been re-hashed a million times.

Basically, I have a Shep who's had some unpleasant experiences in life. She's not the devil, but she's not a saint either... I suppose she does good/bad things depending on what the situation dictates. She has trust issues but recently got some trouble life-changing news. Aside from trying to decide if she's gonna share it with Liara, I'm having trouble deciding how exactly Liara would react to being kept at an arm's length. Would she insist on being let in or give Shep time?

It's ME1 Liara, and I know I might as well flip a coin, but I'm just really interested in what you guys have to say. Thanks for the input!

I honestly cant see a full fledge "Love'' relationship blooming in ME1, ME1 as far as im concerned is just a fling.  I think she'd be disappointed you didn't share (not like devastated or anything, you two are still pretty fresh into a relationship and then theres all those cultural twists and turns of respect the customs,etc of different species....)  Anyways disappointed, but not surprised or insulted.  I think shed respect your reasons for keeping them to yourself, but I don't see her backing down and just letting it go either - i mean she will temporarily but if the relationship persists into the future she's gonna start harping on you to open up as she gets more acquainted with WHO you are and more confident with who she is - whats a relationship without trust after all and the unwillingness to share burdens or master plans

Edit:  I forgot to mention her bumbling earnest inquisitivness - she may unintenionally fling a question or two about it Im sure.

Modifié par doozer12, 10 juin 2012 - 10:09 .

[noxiuniversitas1]

lillitheris wrote...

There’s no right answer: Why would Shepard tell Liara, or even want to? Why would Liara care if she was told or not?

Long, complex answer. Briefly, Liara's saved Shep's life and knows about her past; she cares. Shep is grateful for the burden being shared but hasn't admitted it to Liara. And.. I think she ultimately wants to protect Liara from...said news and... stuff.

[Akernis]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Hey guys,

I'm completely new to the thread but was hoping to get some insight on a mild problem I can't seem to settle on a solution to. Apolgies if its been re-hashed a million times.

Basically, I have a Shep who's had some unpleasant experiences in life. She's not the devil, but she's not a saint either... I suppose she does good/bad things depending on what the situation dictates. She has trust issues but recently got some trouble life-changing news. Aside from trying to decide if she's gonna share it with Liara, I'm having trouble deciding how exactly Liara would react to being kept at an arm's length. Would she insist on being let in or give Shep time? They're just friends at this point.

It's ME1 Liara, and I know I might as well flip a coin, but I'm just really interested in what you guys have to say. Thanks for the input!

Liara is a very understanding and kind person, and as an asari very patient. Even if she would dealy wish to get closer to Shepard I think she would understand what Shepard is going through and give her the time she needs, in ME1 Liara also needs time herself to come to terms with what she feels.

[lillitheris]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

There’s no right answer: Why would Shepard tell Liara, or even want to? Why would Liara care if she was told or not?

Long, complex answer. Briefly, Liara's saved Shep's life and knows about her past; she cares. Shep is grateful for the burden being shared but hasn't admitted it to Liara. And.. I think she ultimately wants to protect Liara from...said news and... stuff.

It doesn’t sound like Liara has a pressing reason to want to know, doesn’t sound like Shepard has a pressing reason to share.

…

I can definitely see love in the last third of ME1…

[CrimsonN7]

Akernis wrote...

Though I will have to say that I still enjoy Wingedmoggy's comics even if her Shepard is more than a bit renegade, I don't take them seriously and by that extension I don't think they are that bad, even if I strongly disagree with some of the choices.
At the least she treats Liara well.

Agreed, no need to anaylse these comic strips, I accept  them for what they are, humourous Liara/Femshep stories. Liaramancers here be they paragon/renegade Sheps all treat Liara with equal love and respect, I just think it's the extreme side of the renegade that makes some uneasy and I have said myself that full renegade Shep is dangerously unhinged and quite pyschotic at times, I couldn't see anyone romancing someone that warped.:unsure:So when I play renegade I could see Liara in a relationship with a Renegon Shep. My Shep may be short with people but would never harm unarmed civilians intentionally, my Renegon Shep may be ruthless at times but does what she has to do to get the job done. My Renegon Shep drops that cold ruthless military front when she's around Liara though:wub: Liara would be the calming voice of reason and compassion in her life, she's the yin to her yang if you will;)

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 10 juin 2012 - 10:15 .

[Fox In The Box]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Hey guys,

I'm completely new to the thread but was hoping to get some insight on a mild problem I can't seem to settle on a solution to. Apolgies if its been re-hashed a million times.

Basically, I have a Shep who's had some unpleasant experiences in life. She's not the devil, but she's not a saint either... I suppose she does good/bad things depending on what the situation dictates. She has trust issues but recently got some trouble life-changing news. Aside from trying to decide if she's gonna share it with Liara, I'm having trouble deciding how exactly Liara would react to being kept at an arm's length. Would she insist on being let in or give Shep time? They're just friends at this point.

It's ME1 Liara, and I know I might as well flip a coin, but I'm just really interested in what you guys have to say. Thanks for the input!

Personally, I think Liara would want to give Shepard time. After all, she apologizes for making things awkward for him/her when she professes her interest in ME1, feels horribly guilty for telling Shepard of her feelings at all during the love triangle with Kaidan and tells you during LOTSB that she doesn't want to put any pressure on you. She strikes me as rather conscious about causing offense and making people feel uncomfortable.

Modifié par Fox In The Box, 10 juin 2012 - 10:03 .

[noxiuniversitas1]

lillitheris wrote...

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

But, would she try and squeeze it out of Shep, or would her timidness / awkwardness get the better of her?

Why would she want to? Why is it of interest to her? How does she know about it? Does it have some noticeable effect on Shepard? Does Liara know the nature of this news?

Hurr.. Chapter summary in one line. She saw something happen to Shep on a mission. She's smart enough to workout how and why, and extrapolate, but doesn't know for sure. 

And yes, life-changing news for Shep, but Liara does not *know* the nature of it.

[lillitheris]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

But, would she try and squeeze it out of Shep, or would her timidness / awkwardness get the better of her?

Why would she want to? Why is it of interest to her? How does she know about it? Does it have some noticeable effect on Shepard? Does Liara know the nature of this news?

Hurr.. Chapter summary in one line. She saw something happen to Shep on a mission. She's smart enough to workout how and why, and extrapolate, but doesn't know for sure.

She’s inquisitive. If she’s not aware of the magnitude of the news, she’d ask.

[IliyaMoroumetz]

Don't care if it's not the top of the page or not, I feel this needs to be shared.

Ladies and Gents;  Human!Liara!

Modifié par IliyaMoroumetz, 10 juin 2012 - 10:48 .

[CrimsonN7]

Does anyone else ever wonder where the father parent of an Asari child fits in asari society? By this I mean other then a Krogan, the other races would be quite short-lived in comparison to the asari. The Asari would have a strong matriarchal influence in their society, very feminine and I'd imagine the mother parent would be the dominant influence in her child's life. Their society is so different to the more traditional patriarchal societies we know of, although if an asari chooses a female bondmate of another species that would just add more feminine influence in that child's life, just always wondered how a male of another species would slot into such a heavily dominated and advanced feminine culture and race. Any thoughts?

[Aristobulus500]

I think a male could fit in perfectly well, and would be accepted. I don't think it's fair to classify all Asari as "feminine", too - despite that they are all females, they don't all act in a typical "feminine" role.

The Asari, having long been seeking out other races to mate with, would have their society structured such that it's easier for other races - and males - to integrate into it, too, if they wish. By that I mean, they are probably more understanding of the other races, and have it set up so that it's easy to learn about Asari culture and life among Asari if they want to.

[Yuqi]

moreeman06 wrote...

oh and Yuqi hates paragons...

They are pansys and a war on that sort of scale dosn't need pansys.

@Crazzy Greggy

You're the third person in this thread with a shepard called Kira..

Theodoro wrote...

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

I'm probably one of the few folks that don't care much for Wingedmoggy's comics or her(?)Shepard. From what I've gleamed, she chose Morinth over Samara and executed Shiala. And frankly, there are times when she comes off as a psycho to me. Honestly, who in their right mind would follow someone like that?

If there are a few truly evil acts in the game (not specifically Renegade), it's precisely those two. Not only are they completely pointless other than the fact to just explore what the other choice was, but it also brings the point of Liara and a Shepard who's done these acts and why I just can't see them being together afterwards. I simply don't see Liara falling for a Shepard who mercilessly kills people for no good reason like Shiala or Rana, and participates in conspiracies like the one on Tuchanka with the sabotaged genophage cure and kills Mordin. No Liara I know of would condone these actions.

My favorite Shep did that...and then killed wrex. Besides we all know 'the shadow-broker' has to babysit paragon-shep

[CrimsonN7]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I think a male could fit in perfectly well, and would be accepted. I don't think it's fair to classify all Asari as "feminine", too - despite that they are all females, they don't all act in a typical "feminine" role.

The Asari, having long been seeking out other races to mate with, would have their society structured such that it's easier for other races - and males - to integrate into it, too, if they wish. By that I mean, they are probably more understanding of the other races, and have it set up so that it's easy to learn about Asari culture and life among Asari if they want to.

Yeah true all lead a different path, some going down a more sordid and dangerous path eg. stripping in bars, joining merc bands but when I look at  the asari as a collective whole the feminine qualities I see them possessing are gentleness, sensitivity, compassion, grace, elegance, being more peaceful, being nurturers, being more cooperative with others etc. With this female mindframe  ruling their society it is not surprising that they were able to avoid any major conflicts or wars for centuries. I know also that because of their long life span they like to sit back and observe others without interfering unless prompted to. I also always thought it must be bittersweet for an asari to take a Salarian bondmate, as they only live for forty years of so, a human in ME would be lucky to live to 150, don't know how long Turians live for. It's just the masculine aspect in such a feminine world that interested me, the roles reversed some what. 

[CrimsonN7]

Yuqi wrote...

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

I'm probably one of the few folks that don't care much for Wingedmoggy's comics or her(?)Shepard. From what I've gleamed, she chose Morinth over Samara and executed Shiala. And frankly, there are times when she comes off as a psycho to me. Honestly, who in their right mind would follow someone like that?

If there are a few truly evil acts in the game (not specifically Renegade), it's precisely those two. Not only are they completely pointless other than the fact to just explore what the other choice was, but it also brings the point of Liara and a Shepard who's done these acts and why I just can't see them being together afterwards. I simply don't see Liara falling for a Shepard who mercilessly kills people for no good reason like Shiala or Rana, and participates in conspiracies like the one on Tuchanka with the sabotaged genophage cure and kills Mordin. No Liara I know of would condone these actions.

My favorite Shep did that...and then killed wrex. Besides we all know 'the shadow-broker' has to babysit paragon-shep

http://t3.gstatic.co...Ch-ImPFWizH5G9O

Ah Yuqi, I know this will warm your cold renegade heart, us paragon pansies are all heart, we're giving back to the kids:D I'm gonna kill you with kindness;)

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 10 juin 2012 - 11:53 .

[kumquats]

And we will defeat you, with an epic pose.

by Epantiras

[DOsquareZER]

Hmmm..
*Throws on lord helmets oversized vader helmet*
"I knew it im surrounded by..." paragons!

"Besides we all know 'the shadow-broker' has to babysit paragon-shep" -- rofl this!
Be an interesting concept... Shepard making the renegade decisions so Liara doesn't have to in the long run, a form of protection almost lol maybe some harbored guilt for dying and tainting Liara so to speak into that "damned if you do, damned if you don't" decision way back when and tainting the 'young' asari by getting involved in the first place.

All this 2d ''good feelings only'' approach to Liara's char -- ionno leaves me with a weird taste in my mouth, after watching shep die, her homeworld fall, having a hand in ending her own mother, realizing a hidden dark truth to her entire race and history not to mention the durastic realization her entire educational passion has been shaken, taking an active hand in information trading (which could get/be gritty) - you don't think those would've changed her at all into a darker realization of things?  That sometimes you do have to get your hands dirty, etc etc - that she would have a little bit better understanding and even support for seeing Renegade shep do the things he/she does?

Oh. a top.  what will it be...beckoning banshee or... *rubs chins* must counter sugar and spice.

Edit: wanted the frameless one.  here it is.  Also another question:  Does anyone think that maybe Liara never really stopped mourning Shep? Even after cerberus and whatnot...knowing the high risk of the reaper war and whatnot...perhaps distancing herself a wee bit?  Im sure she prays it won't come to pass (again..), but that inner realist of her knows it to be a very likely truth.  She even mentions the one thing she wanted most (wasn't to have shepard alive) but was the war to end while theres a galaxy left to save - is the cost of doing that worth it to her?

Modifié par doozer12, 11 juin 2012 - 06:19 .

[TheDonk95]

@doozer, I don't think she was still mouring Shepard even after she met him, but I am sure that she was very, very worried about him and I also think that a part of her knew that he and herself are going to die on Earth.