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[DevilBeast]

Jebel Krong wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...

@Lizardviking I have to disagree with your opinion, I don't think Liara can love or have any bond or relationship with a man that killed innocent Asari (like Shiala or Samara). I also have to disagree with you when you said that she has gotten alot more darker. This isn't what happened. I know that you don't mean that she suddenly turned evil and that she's now like Saren or something and that she just got darker, but even that isn't the case. Liara has got more mature, that is right, but she hasn't turned dark. I agree that she is alot less innocent and paragon than she was in ME1, but she is still the 'merciful' and sweet Liara from ME1. She didn't turn into a dark, ruthless Liara.

neither shiala nor samara are "innocent" - the former admitted joining saren via benezia willingly and the consequences/actions thereafter; the latter lives by a quirky code, the closest analogue being samurai here on earth and comitted hihhly questionable actions including fighting a spectre. i killed neither and flirted with the former btw.

And you think spectres should just do whatever to whomever they want?

And there some renegade actions during ME3 that I can´t really justify like shooting Mordin (seriously in that particular scene Mordin is the true hero while Shepard should have been thrown to the husks. Yeah, I´m a fan of Doctor Solus:D) and killing Falare (don´t know if I spelled that correctly) after letting her mother kill herself.
And before you say: "She´s an Ardat-Yakshi!!" then remember that not all AY have chosen to become like Morinth.

Modifié par DevilBeast, 11 juin 2012 - 08:25 .

[DOsquareZER]

DevilBeast wrote...

And there some renegade actions during ME3 that I can´t really justify like shooting Mordin (seriously in that particular scene Mordin is the true hero while Shepard should have been thrown to the husks. Yeah, I´m a fan of Doctor Solus:D) and killing Falare (don´t know if I spelled that correctly) after letting her mother kill herself.
And before you say: "She´s an Ardat-Yakshi!!" then remember that not all AY have chosen to become like Morinth.

You need to do a more or less full renegade PT of all three games and then weigh your decisions.  A paragon choice in a world shaped by renegade decision, would do no good.  If your Paragon all of sudden goes renegade in a paragon oriented decision made world - of course, its not going to make sense and you wont see reason in it.   ...if that makes any sense, may need to re-word. lol

Modifié par doozer12, 11 juin 2012 - 08:27 .

[DevilBeast]

Jebel Krong wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

neither shiala nor samara are "innocent" - the former admitted joining saren via benezia willingly and the consequences/actions thereafter.

…Thereafter when they got indoctrinated and their mission of trying to steer Saren away from his path of destruction failed.

You’re not making a very good argument on that particular count.

benezia's mission. shiala was merely a complicit sheep. is she less guilty of any atrocities therafter, or more? either way neither could be considered innocent and a sheoard that chose to carry out summary justice for expediency would be well within their rights. as for samara she flat out tells you she'd try and kill you if you contravened her code. her. code.

Ehmm... i´m pretty sure it´s stated that Shiala was indoctrinated like Benezia and the rest of her entourage. I think I remember that she (Shiala) only "broke" out of it by being taken over by the Thorian.

[DevilBeast]

doozer12 wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

And there some renegade actions during ME3 that I can´t really justify like shooting Mordin (seriously in that particular scene Mordin is the true hero while Shepard should have been thrown to the husks. Yeah, I´m a fan of Doctor Solus:D) and killing Falare (don´t know if I spelled that correctly) after letting her mother kill herself.
And before you say: "She´s an Ardat-Yakshi!!" then remember that not all AY have chosen to become like Morinth.

You need to do a more or less full renegade PT of all three games and then weigh your decisions.  A paragon choice in a world shaped by renegade decision, would do no good.  If your Paragon all of sudden goes renegade in a paragon oriented decision made world - of course, its not going to make sense and you wont see reason in it.   ...if that makes any sense, may need to re-word. lol

No, no need to re-word I understand:).

And yes, you are right, didn´t really think about it before, but you are quite right. The examples I came up with will only happen if you are a paragon-turned-renegade in ME3. Doubt even I would cure the genophage if Wreav was in charge:S

[Fiery Phoenix]

Arcataye wrote...



His femhep is impressive too.

I absolutely love this one. Thanks for posting!

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

lillitheris wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

She has gotten darker. She is in a shady buisness, ordering assasinations and blackmails Shepard emotionally to assist her with it by saying that she would kill more people if he does not help. I know the SB agents are most likely badguys themselves, but it is still somewhat dark.

…Yeah, I don’t think there’s a middle ground to be found here.

What? I am not saying Liara has turned evil, but I think everyone can agree that she has gotten, if only slightly, darker.

[TheDonk95]

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[Jebel Krong]

DevilBeast wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...

@Lizardviking I have to disagree with your opinion, I don't think Liara can love or have any bond or relationship with a man that killed innocent Asari (like Shiala or Samara). I also have to disagree with you when you said that she has gotten alot more darker. This isn't what happened. I know that you don't mean that she suddenly turned evil and that she's now like Saren or something and that she just got darker, but even that isn't the case. Liara has got more mature, that is right, but she hasn't turned dark. I agree that she is alot less innocent and paragon than she was in ME1, but she is still the 'merciful' and sweet Liara from ME1. She didn't turn into a dark, ruthless Liara.

neither shiala nor samara are "innocent" - the former admitted joining saren via benezia willingly and the consequences/actions thereafter; the latter lives by a quirky code, the closest analogue being samurai here on earth and comitted hihhly questionable actions including fighting a spectre. i killed neither and flirted with the former btw.

And you think spectres should just do whatever to whomever they want?

And there some renegade actions during ME3 that I can´t really justify like shooting Mordin (seriously in that particular scene Mordin is the true hero while Shepard should have been thrown to the husks. Yeah, I´m a fan of Doctor Solus:D) and killing Falare (don´t know if I spelled that correctly) after letting her mother kill herself.
And before you say: "She´s an Ardat-Yakshi!!" then remember that not all AY have chosen to become like Morinth.

Yes spectres should be given carte Blanche: they are above the law, the arm of the council. Aside from that playing renegade still doesn't mean you have to make every renegade decision: i certainly didn't really trust the krogan, especially with wrex already talking empires and expansion, but i did trust mordin.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 11 juin 2012 - 10:43 .

[CrazyGreggy]

Carte blanche to do what's necessary, not whatever the hell you like. Spectre status can be removed, such as...oh, some turian or other.

[Jebel Krong]

DevilBeast wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

neither shiala nor samara are "innocent" - the former admitted joining saren via benezia willingly and the consequences/actions thereafter.

…Thereafter when they got indoctrinated and their mission of trying to steer Saren away from his path of destruction failed.

You’re not making a very good argument on that particular count.

benezia's mission. shiala was merely a complicit sheep. is she less guilty of any atrocities therafter, or more? either way neither could be considered innocent and a sheoard that chose to carry out summary justice for expediency would be well within their rights. as for samara she flat out tells you she'd try and kill you if you contravened her code. her. code.

Ehmm... i´m pretty sure it´s stated that Shiala was indoctrinated like Benezia and the rest of her entourage. I think I remember that she (Shiala) only "broke" out of it by being taken over by the Thorian.

She also states that she chose to follow benezia originally before they were indoctrinated... Which makes her culpable for her actions, or did you miss that? They already knew Saren was dodgy.

[Jebel Krong]

CrazyGreggy wrote...

Carte blanche to do what's necessary, not whatever the hell you like. Spectre status can be removed, such as...oh, some turian or other.

correct: so killing an unknown liability is justified same way as destroying a relay. and wait: even paragons did that one...

liara herself is guilty of at least one vigilante killing (SB).

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 11 juin 2012 - 10:59 .

[CrimsonN7]

Off topic: I always thought it was kinda odd that Liara never questioned Shep on his/her 'closeness' to Kelly in ME2. We know she planted cameras on the Normandy and although I'd like to think my Shep was just being friendly and I was fed up of my fish dying so my Shep was charming and friendly towards her, my fish lived and she was invited up for a meal, at least I hope that's all that happened, hopefully she was tired from a long talk into the night nothing else. 

Anyway I also remember in ME3 Kelly said she misses being with my Shep, if she thought Shep was a free agent, I wonder why Liara didn't pull up Shep for it? Personally I prefer Traynor to Kelly, Traynor has alot of Liara's qualities imo plus her accent is gorg but I'd never cheat on Liara.



So Ms. Chambers, I heard you like to feed the Commander's fish:devil:

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 11 juin 2012 - 11:19 .

[DOsquareZER]

Jebel Krong wrote...

CrazyGreggy wrote...

Carte blanche to do what's necessary, not whatever the hell you like. Spectre status can be removed, such as...oh, some turian or other.

correct: so killing an unknown liability is justified same way as destroying a relay. and wait: even paragons did that one...

liara herself is guilty of at least one vigilante killing (SB).

T'SONI GOT VENGEANCE!!!
Wasn't there a moderate "My shepard would never do that!" cry after arrival, just because paragon shepards thought they would never do such a thing, they got shuffleboarded into the same category as a renegade for a hard call (which, iguess, like most things in ME2&3 could be boiled down to poor writing).  Would rather deal with the reapers six months sooner I guess...  let them harvest bahak and short cut the relays and decrease the amount of time the reaper armada would take to get across the galaxy, i suppose.  (not that the galaxy really did much in those six months...other than Liara digging up the crucible plans *headdesk*, so i guess it really doesn't matter - cerberus wouldn't have been as powerful maybe *twitchs*)

Modifié par doozer12, 11 juin 2012 - 11:32 .

[DevilBeast]

Jebel Krong wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

neither shiala nor samara are "innocent" - the former admitted joining saren via benezia willingly and the consequences/actions thereafter.

…Thereafter when they got indoctrinated and their mission of trying to steer Saren away from his path of destruction failed.

You’re not making a very good argument on that particular count.

benezia's mission. shiala was merely a complicit sheep. is she less guilty of any atrocities therafter, or more? either way neither could be considered innocent and a sheoard that chose to carry out summary justice for expediency would be well within their rights. as for samara she flat out tells you she'd try and kill you if you contravened her code. her. code.

Ehmm... i´m pretty sure it´s stated that Shiala was indoctrinated like Benezia and the rest of her entourage. I think I remember that she (Shiala) only "broke" out of it by being taken over by the Thorian.

She also states that she chose to follow benezia originally before they were indoctrinated... Which makes her culpable for her actions, or did you miss that? They already knew Saren was dodgy.

No, I didn´t. But hopefully you remember that Benezia wasn´t seeking to aid Saren´s plans, she was trying to stear him away from them. It was only when she and her people became indoctrinated that she became his pawn.

Modifié par DevilBeast, 11 juin 2012 - 11:43 .

[DevilBeast]

Jebel Krong wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...

@Lizardviking I have to disagree with your opinion, I don't think Liara can love or have any bond or relationship with a man that killed innocent Asari (like Shiala or Samara). I also have to disagree with you when you said that she has gotten alot more darker. This isn't what happened. I know that you don't mean that she suddenly turned evil and that she's now like Saren or something and that she just got darker, but even that isn't the case. Liara has got more mature, that is right, but she hasn't turned dark. I agree that she is alot less innocent and paragon than she was in ME1, but she is still the 'merciful' and sweet Liara from ME1. She didn't turn into a dark, ruthless Liara.

neither shiala nor samara are "innocent" - the former admitted joining saren via benezia willingly and the consequences/actions thereafter; the latter lives by a quirky code, the closest analogue being samurai here on earth and comitted hihhly questionable actions including fighting a spectre. i killed neither and flirted with the former btw.

And you think spectres should just do whatever to whomever they want?

And there some renegade actions during ME3 that I can´t really justify like shooting Mordin (seriously in that particular scene Mordin is the true hero while Shepard should have been thrown to the husks. Yeah, I´m a fan of Doctor Solus:D) and killing Falare (don´t know if I spelled that correctly) after letting her mother kill herself.
And before you say: "She´s an Ardat-Yakshi!!" then remember that not all AY have chosen to become like Morinth.

Yes spectres should be given carte Blanche: they are above the law, the arm of the council. Aside from that playing renegade still doesn't mean you have to make every renegade decision: i certainly didn't really trust the krogan, especially with wrex already talking empires and expansion, but i did trust mordin.

So oyu resent the idea of the krogan wanting to expand?? Well, guess you don´t like how humanity intrudes everywhere (there´s a reason why humans are perceived as bullies by the other species), the turians and their "client" races (I wouldn´t be too surprised if they wanted to do the same to humanity, if the FCW had ended in their favor).
And we shouldn´t foget the salarians either; their ambitions are... troubling to say the least. I mean, uplifting the krogan clearly turned out bad, and now they want to do the same with the yagh?? Something tells me the salarians have problems with learning from their mistakes.

Anyway, my point is that no species, race whatever is innocent or better than the others. Even the peace loving asari clearly have a desire for power. An evolutionary trait, I think.

[moreeman06]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Off topic: I always thought it was kinda odd that Liara never questioned Shep on his/her 'closeness' to Kelly in ME2. We know she planted cameras on the Normandy and although I'd like to think my Shep was just being friendly and I was fed up of my fish dying so my Shep was charming and friendly towards her, my fish lived and she was invited up for a meal, at least I hope that's all that happened, hopefully she was tired from a long talk into the night nothing else. 

Anyway I also remember in ME3 Kelly said she misses being with my Shep, if she thought Shep was a free agent, I wonder why Liara didn't pull up Shep for it? Personally I prefer Traynor to Kelly, Traynor has alot of Liara's qualities imo plus her accent is gorg but I'd never cheat on Liara.



So Ms. Chambers, I heard you like to feed the Commander's fish:devil:

she does mention something about how the fish weren't the only things kelly was feeding during LOTSB 

[CrimsonN7]

moreeman06 wrote...

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Off topic: I always thought it was kinda odd that Liara never questioned Shep on his/her 'closeness' to Kelly in ME2. We know she planted cameras on the Normandy and although I'd like to think my Shep was just being friendly and I was fed up of my fish dying so my Shep was charming and friendly towards her, my fish lived and she was invited up for a meal, at least I hope that's all that happened, hopefully she was tired from a long talk into the night nothing else. 

Anyway I also remember in ME3 Kelly said she misses being with my Shep, if she thought Shep was a free agent, I wonder why Liara didn't pull up Shep for it? Personally I prefer Traynor to Kelly, Traynor has alot of Liara's qualities imo plus her accent is gorg but I'd never cheat on Liara.

So Ms. Chambers, I heard you like to feed the Commander's fish:devil:

she does mention something about how the fish weren't the only things kelly was feeding during LOTSB 

Now this must have slipped my net, does that only happen if you invite her up to your cabin where she dances for you after you complete LOTSB? Because I don't recall ever getting that dialogue cos when I play it is after the suicide mission, I invited Kelly up once out of curiosity after I brought Liara aboard the Normandy. So to trigger that remark must you invite Kelly to your quarters before you reunite with Liara or something?

[moreeman06]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

moreeman06 wrote...

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Off topic: I always thought it was kinda odd that Liara never questioned Shep on his/her 'closeness' to Kelly in ME2. We know she planted cameras on the Normandy and although I'd like to think my Shep was just being friendly and I was fed up of my fish dying so my Shep was charming and friendly towards her, my fish lived and she was invited up for a meal, at least I hope that's all that happened, hopefully she was tired from a long talk into the night nothing else. 

Anyway I also remember in ME3 Kelly said she misses being with my Shep, if she thought Shep was a free agent, I wonder why Liara didn't pull up Shep for it? Personally I prefer Traynor to Kelly, Traynor has alot of Liara's qualities imo plus her accent is gorg but I'd never cheat on Liara.

So Ms. Chambers, I heard you like to feed the Commander's fish:devil:

she does mention something about how the fish weren't the only things kelly was feeding during LOTSB 

Now this must have slipped my net, does that only happen if you invite her up to your cabin where she dances for you after you complete LOTSB? Because I don't recall ever getting that dialogue cos when I play it is after the suicide mission, I invited Kelly up once out of curiosity after I brought Liara aboard the Normandy. So to trigger that remark must you invite Kelly to your quarters before you reunite with Liara or something?

Yeah i think so because i tried LOTSB before inviting Kelly to my cabin and afterwards to see the difference and it only happened after for me.  It takes the place of the well your porking Miri/Tali/Garrus/etc... angry line after the vasir fight

[CrimsonN7]

moreeman06 wrote...

Yeah i think so because i tried LOTSB before inviting Kelly to my cabin and afterwards to see the difference and it only happened after for me.  It takes the place of the well your porking Miri/Tali/Garrus/etc... angry line after the vasir fight

Goddess, I've played this game so many times and I still learn new things, little tweaks here and there like this really make it wothwhile to play through again.

I also came across a thread the other day where the poster questioned why anyone would consider going into a relationship with Liara for the simple reason that when Shep kicks the bucket Liara will *gasp* move on and have other loves in her life. Seriously how warped is that, why shouldn't she move on, it's not like she wil forget her time and memories with Shep and I couldn't see anyone holding a candle to Shep in her eyes anyway. Shepard was her first love and possibly the one true love of her life, she won't forget Shep:wub: I would want her to be happy when Shep is gone, not to live out her long life in constant mourning:crying:

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 12 juin 2012 - 12:40 .

[fluffywalrus]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

moreeman06 wrote...

Yeah i think so because i tried LOTSB before inviting Kelly to my cabin and afterwards to see the difference and it only happened after for me.  It takes the place of the well your porking Miri/Tali/Garrus/etc... angry line after the vasir fight

Goddess, I've played this game so many times and I still learn new things, little tweaks here and there like this really make it wothwhile to play through again.

I also came across a thread the other day where the poster questioned why anyone would consider going into a relationship with Liara for the simple reason that when Shep kicks the bucket Liara will *gasp* move on and have other loves in her life. Seriously how warped is that, why shouldn't she move on, it's not like she wil forget her time and memories with Shep and I couldn't see anyone holding a candle to Shep in her eyes anyway. Shepard was her first love and possibly the one true love of her life, she won't forget Shep:wub: I would want her to be happy when Shep is gone, not to live out her long life in constant mourning:crying:

It's because (sorry if I offend anyone/you here) of the absolutely stupid and romanticized notion some people have that there are such things as soulmates/"one true love", that there is one person in all of existence that's perfect for them.

So, by that logic, how could Liara move on? Seeing as the Asari often have many romantic partners in their lives, they can't likely be soulmates with anyone. And if Liara is, then she'd be cheatng and undermining her and Shep's relationship by getting together with other people, obviously.<_<

It's stupid, and it's just as stuupid as believing in a "happily ever after"(which coincidentally often is used as an ending tagline in stories after two characters have wed...life is not that simple and it's idiotic that some people believe HEA exists). Truth is, there are untold amounts of people that are compatible with each living person across the world, an astounding amount of people any individual could come to deeply love...but most don't have the resources to look internationally for them. Most stick within their chosen city or region, or workplace, or whatever. And that, by some coincidence, their "soulmate" was destined to live near them.

Sorry, just had to get that off my chest. Had a related convo today with a friend, was frustrating.

TL;DR: People who think Liara is a bad LI because she'll eventually move on from Shep are ridiculous people who apply an idiotic fantasy to the notion of love.

Modifié par fluffywalrus, 12 juin 2012 - 01:16 .

[moreeman06]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

moreeman06 wrote...

Yeah i think so because i tried LOTSB before inviting Kelly to my cabin and afterwards to see the difference and it only happened after for me.  It takes the place of the well your porking Miri/Tali/Garrus/etc... angry line after the vasir fight

Goddess, I've played this game so many times and I still learn new things, little tweaks here and there like this really make it wothwhile to play through again.

I also came across a thread the other day where the poster questioned why anyone would consider going into a relationship with Liara for the simple reason that when Shep kicks the bucket Liara will *gasp* move on and have other loves in her life. Seriously how warped is that, why shouldn't she move on, it's not like she wil forget her time and memories with Shep and I couldn't see anyone holding a candle to Shep in her eyes anyway. Shepard was her first love and possibly the one true love of her life, she won't forget Shep:wub: I would want her to be happy when Shep is gone, not to live out her long life in constant mourning:crying:

i love the pic, and glad that your still finding new things even if they do involve semi cheating on Liara.  and i agree completely with you on the post shepard death thing for Liara, I wouldn't want her to stay in mourning for the rest of her life

[DevilBeast]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

moreeman06 wrote...

Yeah i think so because i tried LOTSB before inviting Kelly to my cabin and afterwards to see the difference and it only happened after for me.  It takes the place of the well your porking Miri/Tali/Garrus/etc... angry line after the vasir fight

Goddess, I've played this game so many times and I still learn new things, little tweaks here and there like this really make it wothwhile to play through again.

I also came across a thread the other day where the poster questioned why anyone would consider going into a relationship with Liara for the simple reason that when Shep kicks the bucket Liara will *gasp* move on and have other loves in her life. Seriously how warped is that, why shouldn't she move on, it's not like she wil forget her time and memories with Shep and I couldn't see anyone holding a candle to Shep in her eyes anyway. Shepard was her first love and possibly the one true love of her life, she won't forget Shep:wub: I would want her to be happy when Shep is gone, not to live out her long life in constant mourning:crying:

Yes, I remember that thread too. It´s a really stupid question. I mean, of course Liara should move on, how sad wouldn´t it be if she were to be in mourning for the rest of her life, and never came to love another person again.
And as for remembering Shepard (which also was part of the OP´s concern), I´m pretty sure Liara will. I mean; he/she is her first love and who forgets them.

Anyways, most of the people responding on the thread, seemed to disagree with the OP.

[DevilBeast]

fluffywalrus wrote...

It's because (sorry if I offend anyone/you here) of the absolutely stupid and romanticized notion some people have that there are such things as soulmates/"one true love", that there is one person in all of existence that's perfect for them.

So, by that logic, how could Liara move on? Seeing as the Asari often have many romantic partners in their lives, they can't likely be soulmates with anyone. And if Liara is, then she'd be cheatng and undermining her and Shep's relationship by getting together with other people, obviously.<_<

It's stupid, and it's just as stuupid as believing in a "happily ever after"(which coincidentally often is used as an ending tagline in stories after two characters have wed...life is not that simple and it's idiotic that some people believe HEA exists). Truth is, there are untold amounts of people that are compatible with each living person across the world, an astounding amount of people any individual could come to deeply love...but most don't have the resources to look internationally for them. Most stick within their chosen city or region, or workplace, or whatever. And that, by some coincidence, their "soulmate" was destined to live near them.

Sorry, just had to get that off my chest. Had a related convo today with a friend, was frustrating.

TL;DR: People who think Liara is a bad LI because she'll eventually move on from Shep are ridiculous people who apply an idiotic fantasy to the notion of love.

QFT.

And not to mention; by that logic the OP had in that thread femshep´s shouldn´t be able to romance Thane since he is actually a widower. I´m no Thanemancer myself, but I´m pretty sure his relationship with Shepard wouldn´t diminish what he had with his late wife, nor would it do the other way around.

[Aristobulus500]

fluffywalrus wrote...

It's because (sorry if I offend anyone/you here) of the absolutely stupid and romanticized notion some people have that there are such things as soulmates/"one true love", that there is one person in all of existence that's perfect for them.

So, by that logic, how could Liara move on? Seeing as the Asari often have many romantic partners in their lives, they can't likely be soulmates with anyone. And if Liara is, then she'd be cheatng and undermining her and Shep's relationship by getting together with other people, obviously.<_<

It's stupid, and it's just as stuupid as believing in a "happily ever after"(which coincidentally often is used as an ending tagline in stories after two characters have wed...life is not that simple and it's idiotic that some people believe HEA exists). Truth is, there are untold amounts of people that are compatible with each living person across the world, an astounding amount of people any individual could come to deeply love...but most don't have the resources to look internationally for them. Most stick within their chosen city or region, or workplace, or whatever. And that, by some coincidence, their "soulmate" was destined to live near them.

Sorry, just had to get that off my chest. Had a related convo today with a friend, was frustrating.

TL;DR: People who think Liara is a bad LI because she'll eventually move on from Shep are ridiculous people who apply an idiotic fantasy to the notion of love.

Uh, those don't necessarily go hand in hand. I most definitely want there to be a "happily ever after" ending in the games, for Liara/Shep, but I don't think that Liara and Shep are "soulmates" in the sense that if Shep dies, Liara should never move on and should spend the rest of her life mourning and never love again.

She should mourn for a while, but just like Cortez's husband, Shep should not -and my Shep wouldn't want - to be an anchor for her. She should eventually move on and try to love again, even if nobody matches Shepard, and Shepard is still her best love, he doesn't have to be her only love, and it's really not fair, people that want Shepard to be, even if he died.

But as long as Shep and Liara are both alive? I absolutely believe they can live out a happy life together, until Shepard dies of old age. I don't forsee them eventually having trouble and breaking up or something like that.

[DevilBeast]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

fluffywalrus wrote...

It's because (sorry if I offend anyone/you here) of the absolutely stupid and romanticized notion some people have that there are such things as soulmates/"one true love", that there is one person in all of existence that's perfect for them.

So, by that logic, how could Liara move on? Seeing as the Asari often have many romantic partners in their lives, they can't likely be soulmates with anyone. And if Liara is, then she'd be cheatng and undermining her and Shep's relationship by getting together with other people, obviously.<_<

It's stupid, and it's just as stuupid as believing in a "happily ever after"(which coincidentally often is used as an ending tagline in stories after two characters have wed...life is not that simple and it's idiotic that some people believe HEA exists). Truth is, there are untold amounts of people that are compatible with each living person across the world, an astounding amount of people any individual could come to deeply love...but most don't have the resources to look internationally for them. Most stick within their chosen city or region, or workplace, or whatever. And that, by some coincidence, their "soulmate" was destined to live near them.

Sorry, just had to get that off my chest. Had a related convo today with a friend, was frustrating.

TL;DR: People who think Liara is a bad LI because she'll eventually move on from Shep are ridiculous people who apply an idiotic fantasy to the notion of love.

Uh, those don't necessarily go hand in hand. I most definitely want there to be a "happily ever after" ending in the games, for Liara/Shep, but I don't think that Liara and Shep are "soulmates" in the sense that if Shep dies, Liara should never move on and should spend the rest of her life mourning and never love again.

She should mourn for a while, but just like Cortez's husband, Shep should not -and my Shep wouldn't want - to be an anchor for her. She should eventually move on and try to love again, even if nobody matches Shepard, and Shepard is still her best love, he doesn't have to be her only love, and it's really not fair, people that want Shepard to be, even if he died.

But as long as Shep and Liara are both alive? I absolutely believe they can live out a happy life together, until Shepard dies of old age. I don't forsee them eventually having trouble and breaking up or something like that.

Hmm... That actually makes me wonder if divorce is as common among the asari as it is with humans?? Of course I know it also depends on which species they mate with and how they handle relationships in general. But from what I´ve gathered bonding with someone doesn´t really seem like something the asari is taking on lightly.

So, maybe they are more prone to stay with their bondmates than humans are with our husbonds or wives??

Modifié par DevilBeast, 12 juin 2012 - 01:55 .