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moreeman06 wrote...

i love the pic, and glad that your still finding new things even if they do involve semi cheating on Liara.  and i agree completely with you on the post shepard death thing for Liara, I wouldn't want her to stay in mourning for the rest of her life


I would never cheat on Liara though, Shep may be an irrestiable charming rogue/honourable individual to those around him/her and of course there has been temptation there from his/her subordinates whose feelings of utter respect towards him/her would turn to attraction, my Shep would never cross that line.:police:  My Shep has looked, she's only human but would never act on those fleeting moments of lust. Shepard is such a remarkable individual I couldn't blame anyone for taking an interest in him/her, but a certain asari has stolen my Shep's heart along time ago, so the others never stood a chance really:wub:

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It's because (sorry if I offend anyone/you here) of the absolutely stupid and romanticized notion some people have that there are such things as soulmates/"one true love", that there is one person in all of existence that's perfect for them.

So, by that logic, how could Liara move on? Seeing as the Asari often have many romantic partners in their lives, they can't likely be soulmates with anyone. And if Liara is, then she'd be cheatng and undermining her and Shep's relationship by getting together with other people, obviously.<_<

It's stupid, and it's just as stuupid as believing in a "happily ever after"(which coincidentally often is used as an ending tagline in stories after two characters have wed...life is not that simple and it's idiotic that some people believe HEA exists). Truth is, there are untold amounts of people that are compatible with each living person across the world, an astounding amount of people any individual could come to deeply love...but most don't have the resources to look internationally for them. Most stick within their chosen city or region, or workplace, or whatever. And that, by some coincidence, their "soulmate" was destined to live near them.

Sorry, just had to get that off my chest. Had a related convo today with a friend, was frustrating.

TL;DR: People who think Liara is a bad LI because she'll eventually move on from Shep are ridiculous people who apply an idiotic fantasy to the notion of love.


Uh, those don't necessarily go hand in hand. I most definitely want there to be a "happily ever after" ending in the games, for Liara/Shep, but I don't think that Liara and Shep are "soulmates" in the sense that if Shep dies, Liara should never move on and should spend the rest of her life mourning and never love again.

She should mourn for a while, but just like Cortez's husband, Shep should not -and my Shep wouldn't want - to be an anchor for her. She should eventually move on and try to love again, even if nobody matches Shepard, and Shepard is still her best love, he doesn't have to be her only love, and it's really not fair, people that want Shepard to be, even if he died.

But as long as Shep and Liara are both alive? I absolutely believe they can live out a happy life together, until Shepard dies of old age. I don't forsee them eventually having trouble and breaking up or something like that.


Oh, don't get me wrong, I was more or less commenting on real life. I just find that most people I interact with who believe in soulmates, also believe in "happily ever after", as in...you know, taking place within reality.

I'm not opposed to the notion of Liara and Shepard living a great life post-ME3, but I find it silly for people to attach human-created fantasies in real life to characters in a videogame, as act as if doing such is a valid backing for any opinion they give.

The reason why "happily ever after" exists in media is strictly because it is imaginary. It cannot exist in any other realm, any other way. It allows people to fill in the blanks with their own fantasy. That is why it is so ludicrous thsat some people believe such a thing happens in real life situations.

Same thing for "soulmates". In media, it makes sense to afford two characters the development to come close and show their developing love for each other, etc. as it makes for a compelling/entertaining story. Take, for instance the film "The Fountain". Brilliant film, showcases the devotion both have towards each other, the love they have for each other, in dire circumstances. In the context of the film, it's difficult to believe Tom could ever love someone as much as Izzy, if he can ever love again. However, the story is also constrained by specific narrative boundaries...it's told over the course of three periods of time, it contains various supernatural plot devices, etc. and it is not similar in any way to reality aside from the way Tom and Izzy respond to each other. That doesn't make them soulmates, it makes them heavily established characters in an established romance in a minimal context.

That's why these functions/fantasies are somewhat flawed when conversing about media products, and don't work in real life. It requires heavy amounts of imagination on the part of the viewer/gamer/etc.

I mean, everyone is free to believe what they want. I personally have held the belief that if 100 random people were put in front of me and I got ample time with each, to discuss with them and learn about them, that I could at least fall in love with one of them. It's a numbers game, but that doesn't make love any less real. People seem to think there needs to be just one person in order to make their love special, rather than the memories and time you spend with such a person, your connection to such a person, etc.

It's one of many reasons why I find the Asari very likeable in Mass Effect. They share a similar perspective on this, among other things.

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So, maybe they are more prone to stay with their bondmates than humans are with our husbonds or wives?


It's a different construct for them, Asari can have children with people who aren't their bondmates and they can meld with people who simply interest them. A bondmate is someone you intend to build a life with, it's not just a way to have kids or a way to have a sex partner. In that sense it's unlikely and maybe even a little embarrassing for someone to have to seperate from a bondmate since they clearly didn't know this individual very well when they took them. I'm sure it exists legally and happens but because Asari can have companionship, sex and children outside of the bondmate construct it's probably not that common.

In that respect I can't see Asari taking many bondmates in a lifetime, in the deepest sense of the union at least. So it's possible an Asari can have many partners even ones they care deeply for but only bond like Shepard and Liara did on Earth with one or two over their entire life. Sharing fully of yourself and everything you are with another person and them reciprocating giving the very essence of themselves as an individual in return.

At least that's my read of these things.

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CrimsonN7 wrote...

moreeman06 wrote...

i love the pic, and glad that your still finding new things even if they do involve semi cheating on Liara.  and i agree completely with you on the post shepard death thing for Liara, I wouldn't want her to stay in mourning for the rest of her life


I would never cheat on Liara though, Shep may be an irrestiable charming rogue/honourable individual to those around him/her and of course there has been temptation there from his/her subordinates whose feelings of utter respect towards him/her would turn to attraction, my Shep would never cross that line.:police:  My Shep has looked, she's only human but would never act on those fleeting moments of lust. Shepard is such a remarkable individual I couldn't blame anyone for taking an interest in him/her, but a certain asari has stolen my Shep's heart along time ago, so the others never stood a chance really:wub:

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sorry was joking on that last one not questioning your commitment,  the one where i invited kelly up was a throwaway shep.   also where did you get that pic it's amazing

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DevilBeast wrote...

Hmm... That actually makes me wonder if divorce is as common among the asari as it is with humans?? Of course I know it also depends on which species they mate with and how they handle relationships in general. But from what I´ve gathered bonding with someone doesn´t really seem like something the asari is taking on lightly.

So, maybe they are more prone to stay with their bondmates than humans are with our husbonds or wives??


The way Liara described how deep and spirtual the melding process was in ME1, the asari really take great care in who they decide to bond with, for Shep and Liara I agree with Aristo, I could see them remaining blissfully happy together as bondmates until the inevitable happens when Shep passes.:crying: Their love story would most definitely be one of the great love affairs of that galaxy, Shep and Liara have been through so much, lost so much, reunited again, it really is the best love story in the game IMO, these two just fit perfectly.:wub: 

I remember that asari on Ilium who was worried about getting married to Char the Krogan and said because they live long lives it's not like marrying a human where you stick it out for a century until they die, I'd take it from this remark that a bond is a union for life for the majority of asari. They take everything into account and really evaluate their intended bondmate before commiting to them. The melding also helps alot I would like to think, from this they can really capture the whole essence of their beloved, heart, mind, soul. Not only clever but also incredibly romantic too.^_^

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@moree I found it on deviantart, I love that site:D And don't worry I didn't take any offence, I don't understand why someone would cheat on Liara myself though, I think a Shep who does that took a few too many knocks to the head:whistle:

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CrimsonN7 wrote...

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@moree I found it on deviantart, I love that site:D And don't worry I didn't take any offence, I don't understand why someone would cheat on Liara myself though, I think a Shep who does that took a few too many knocks to the head:whistle:


Shep:  I thought she was only going to feed the fish i didn't expect her too be dressed like... like that *puts up face of mock disgust hoping to soothe Liara*

can you provide me the links please I want to fave them on DA without going through pages and pages of Liara and other ME pics:D

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Here's the link for Liara and FemShep in bed

http://browse.devian...t=1872#/d4hcmki

And here's the FemShep/Liara wallpaper piece, I hope the links work:D

http://browse.devian...et=120#/d4ogzi2

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CrimsonN7 wrote...

Here's the link for Liara and FemShep in bed

http://browse.devian...t=1872#/d4hcmki

And here's the FemShep/Liara wallpaper piece, I hope the links work:D

http://browse.devian...et=120#/d4ogzi2


Thanks :)

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In that respect I can't see Asari taking many bondmates in a lifetime, in the deepest sense of the union at least. So it's possible an Asari can have many partners even ones they care deeply for but only bond like Shepard and Liara did on Earth with one or two over their entire life. Sharing fully of yourself and everything you are with another person and them reciprocating giving the very essence of themselves as an individual in return.

At least that's my read of these things.


Yeah - depending on who they bond with and how their lives go, I can easily see an Asari only bonding to one partner in their life, at least on the true, full, intimate level Liara/Shep do - because afterwards I would imagine most, the Asari and her partner stay together for the rest of their lives, and so the Asari would only move on to another possible bond partner if the first died.

I think, because they can bond so intimately, and really know the other person on a very deep and complete level, they will know this is a person they want to spend their life with, so I don't imagine breakups are that common among the Asari - at least, initiated by the Asari.

But again, I don't think that Asari are incapable of moving on and find another bondmate if the first one dies, I just think they aren't the type to leave a bondmate. There's a difference between having a 2nd (or 3rd, or 4th, etc.) bondmate because the first died, and having multiple because you just broke up with the first.

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Aristobulus500 wrote...

Argh, I don't really know what it is, but something about Mally'x recent animated gifs just looks off to me. Sortof uncanney valley-ish. Kinda creepy. I think it's, at least for this one, how so much of the image is still, yet there's still some motion - just makes it look...mechanical? Robotic? Which would tie into the whole uncanny valley thing.

It's hard to say what would really need to be done specifically to improve it and not make that impression, just that it is making that impression.


It was originally a picture but he added some animation to it. I agree, it's a little off. I think it should have either stayed a picture or been made in a full-blown animation.

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 I will never understand why people belive polls(especially internet polls.) The most popular LI are always  going to be Ashley,Miranda, and Kaidan.

The commen populace will almost, always, go for the obvious human option. It's stupid,mornic, but true.

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Yuqi wrote...

 I will never understand why people belive polls(especially internet polls.) The most popular LI are always  going to be Ashley,Miranda, and Kaidan.

The commen populace will almost, always, go for the obvious human option. It's stupid,mornic, but true.

Eh, a lot of people are more comfortable with the human characters. Even if some of the alien characters resemble humans or have human-like features, or are generally really well done characters.

I had a friend who, from ME1-2 thought Quarians would have one of those tubey second mouth-tongues like in Aliens. I'm not quite sure where he got that idea from, but he would'n't let go of it. Another friend didn't like the Asari because he said they reminded him of Medusa and japanese tentacle monsters. Not quite sure why, but meh. Some people just think the alien characters are creepy, I guess. If even a small minority of players felt that way, it would likely be enough to swing favor decisively toward the human characters. :\\

Also, you missed Jack on your list, but I chalk that up to the tattoos and her being bald. Both of which can be big turn offs for dudes, I hear.

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adneate wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...
So, maybe they are more prone to stay with their bondmates than humans are with our husbonds or wives?


It's a different construct for them, Asari can have children with people who aren't their bondmates and they can meld with people who simply interest them. A bondmate is someone you intend to build a life with, it's not just a way to have kids or a way to have a sex partner. In that sense it's unlikely and maybe even a little embarrassing for someone to have to seperate from a bondmate since they clearly didn't know this individual very well when they took them. I'm sure it exists legally and happens but because Asari can have companionship, sex and children outside of the bondmate construct it's probably not that common.

In that respect I can't see Asari taking many bondmates in a lifetime, in the deepest sense of the union at least. So it's possible an Asari can have many partners even ones they care deeply for but only bond like Shepard and Liara did on Earth with one or two over their entire life. Sharing fully of yourself and everything you are with another person and them reciprocating giving the very essence of themselves as an individual in return.

At least that's my read of these things.


Well, judging from what we can find in Samara´s shadow broker bondmating does seem like the asari version of marriage. And if that assumption is true, then it is kind of ironic how the rest of the galaxy tend to view the asari, considering f.ex humans somewhat disregard for unions between two (or more depending where and who you are) people such as marriage.

But it does make me wonder if Liara´s parents, Benezia and Aethyta, were actual bondmates or they were just in a more "common" type of relationship.
The evidence does suggest they were, but then that might just be what I imagine.

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fluffywalrus wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

 I will never understand why people belive polls(especially internet polls.) The most popular LI are always  going to be Ashley,Miranda, and Kaidan.

The commen populace will almost, always, go for the obvious human option. It's stupid,mornic, but true.

Eh, a lot of people are more comfortable with the human characters. Even if some of the alien characters resemble humans or have human-like features, or are generally really well done characters.

I had a friend who, from ME1-2 thought Quarians would have one of those tubey second mouth-tongues like in Aliens. I'm not quite sure where he got that idea from, but he would'n't let go of it. Another friend didn't like the Asari because he said they reminded him of Medusa and japanese tentacle monsters. Not quite sure why, but meh. Some people just think the alien characters are creepy, I guess. If even a small minority of players felt that way, it would likely be enough to swing favor decisively toward the human characters. :

Also, you missed Jack on your list, but I chalk that up to the tattoos and her being bald. Both of which can be big turn offs for dudes, I hear.


Haha:lol: When I first encountered the asari they reminded me of mind flayers (not their appearance, but their abilities). Strange, I know:?

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DevilBeast wrote...

fluffywalrus wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

 I will never understand why people belive polls(especially internet polls.) The most popular LI are always  going to be Ashley,Miranda, and Kaidan.

The commen populace will almost, always, go for the obvious human option. It's stupid,mornic, but true.

Eh, a lot of people are more comfortable with the human characters. Even if some of the alien characters resemble humans or have human-like features, or are generally really well done characters.

I had a friend who, from ME1-2 thought Quarians would have one of those tubey second mouth-tongues like in Aliens. I'm not quite sure where he got that idea from, but he would'n't let go of it. Another friend didn't like the Asari because he said they reminded him of Medusa and japanese tentacle monsters. Not quite sure why, but meh. Some people just think the alien characters are creepy, I guess. If even a small minority of players felt that way, it would likely be enough to swing favor decisively toward the human characters. :

Also, you missed Jack on your list, but I chalk that up to the tattoos and her being bald. Both of which can be big turn offs for dudes, I hear.


Haha:lol: When I first encountered the asari they reminded me of mind flayers (not their appearance, but their abilities). Strange, I know:?


Since I'm a B5 fan, my first impression was that the Asari had a bonehead crest like the Minbari Image IPB .  The thought of tentacles never actually crossed my mind.

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Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

fluffywalrus wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

 I will never understand why people belive polls(especially internet polls.) The most popular LI are always  going to be Ashley,Miranda, and Kaidan.

The commen populace will almost, always, go for the obvious human option. It's stupid,mornic, but true.

Eh, a lot of people are more comfortable with the human characters. Even if some of the alien characters resemble humans or have human-like features, or are generally really well done characters.

I had a friend who, from ME1-2 thought Quarians would have one of those tubey second mouth-tongues like in Aliens. I'm not quite sure where he got that idea from, but he would'n't let go of it. Another friend didn't like the Asari because he said they reminded him of Medusa and japanese tentacle monsters. Not quite sure why, but meh. Some people just think the alien characters are creepy, I guess. If even a small minority of players felt that way, it would likely be enough to swing favor decisively toward the human characters. :

Also, you missed Jack on your list, but I chalk that up to the tattoos and her being bald. Both of which can be big turn offs for dudes, I hear.


Haha:lol: When I first encountered the asari they reminded me of mind flayers (not their appearance, but their abilities). Strange, I know:?


Since I'm a B5 fan, my first impression was that the Asari had a bonehead crest like the Minbari Image IPB .  The thought of tentacles never actually crossed my mind.

Oh god, Babylon 5. I once did a season 1 and 2 marathon at a friend's house. No matter how long I live, I don't ever think I'll forget N'Grath and his penchant for telling people that his services "will be expenssssive" ^_^

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CrimsonN7 wrote...
Read a ME3 review recently, the reviewer said you'll end up caring more about Liara's plight then Princess Leia's. Mass Effect is a space opera to an extent like Star Wars, still waiting on our ewoks ending though:whistle:

We most certainly aren't! :D

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"Acrylic paint on canvas, this piece is about 1m x 75 cm."

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His femhep is impressive too.


Thank you for posting these, they're incredible! Here's another one by the same author:

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^Wow. This picture is beautiful.

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fluffywalrus wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

 I will never understand why people belive polls(especially internet polls.) The most popular LI are always  going to be Ashley,Miranda, and Kaidan.

The commen populace will almost, always, go for the obvious human option. It's stupid,mornic, but true.

Eh, a lot of people are more comfortable with the human characters. Even if some of the alien characters resemble humans or have human-like features, or are generally really well done characters.

I had a friend who, from ME1-2 thought Quarians would have one of those tubey second mouth-tongues like in Aliens. I'm not quite sure where he got that idea from, but he would'n't let go of it. Another friend didn't like the Asari because he said they reminded him of Medusa and japanese tentacle monsters. Not quite sure why, but meh. Some people just think the alien characters are creepy, I guess. If even a small minority of players felt that way, it would likely be enough to swing favor decisively toward the human characters. :

Also, you missed Jack on your list, but I chalk that up to the tattoos and her being bald. Both of which can be big turn offs for dudes, I hear.


The thing is though, Liara really isn't that different to humans, whereas say Mordin is.

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@Yuqi I took that survey myself last month. There are threads/votes on the forum like "who is your LI" Liara was the first in that thread too. :)

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Are these paintings for sale? More specifically one of Liara?

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Brooks Mac wrote...

Are these paintings for sale? More specifically one of Liara?


Which paintings are you talking about?

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DevilBeast wrote...
But it does make me wonder if Liara´s parents, Benezia and Aethyta, were actual bondmates or they were just in a more "common" type of relationship.
The evidence does suggest they were, but then that might just be what I imagine.


I don't think the term is ever used, it's possible they were and the embarassment of not only having a child with another Asari and breaking up with someone you took as a bondmate was why Benezia never told Liara about Aethyta. Or they might never have been bondmates, showing just how special that kind of commitment is. You could love somone and even spend a century with them but not take them as a bondmate and not connect as deeply as possible with them.

I think there's different levels of Asari relationships, melds being the most simple linking a mind for the purpose of pleasure. A Union is the next step, minds are linked but memories are also shared, this is someone who interests you or you feel comfortable with and you're permanently taking a part of them into yourself. Bondmates being the most complex, everything is shared it like a union only nothing is held back and the exchange or memories is full and absolute. You forever carry the full measure of your bondmate and they carry the full measure of you, your minds never to be unfamiliar to each other ever again.

Again though just my read of things.

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rubynorman wrote...

@Yuqi I took that survey myself last month. There are threads/votes on the forum like "who is your LI" Liara was the first in that thread too. :)


She also come out on top in a poll I created awhile back, on who was the most attractive of the LIs in the game.

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Of course since that poll was just about physical appearance, presumably some people aren't necessarily fans of her personality or writing voted for her as well.


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moreeman06 wrote...

she does mention something about how the fish weren't the only things kelly was feeding during LOTSB 


I don't recall ever hearing that line.  Nor do I think that line exists. Mainly because Kelly was never considered a full romance in ME2, which kinda made me sad because I really liked Kelly because she was one of the few characters, if not the only one, without guile.  She was sincere and I really liked that... even wrote a 30 chapter story about her. (Shameless plug!)

I also hate Traynor as much as I like her because she got the character development Kelly never recieved!

But anyway....

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