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[TheMarshal]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I mean think about it. If Shepard wasn't her first, why would she even have to think about it? Why would she need time? Why would she need to even think about a union? If she did have a relationship before, she'd already clearly have an idea of how to do things, and how to handle things. Instead she rushes into the very important and life changing thing.

You seem to be missing the distinction that I made earlier about the difference between what we as humans would consider "sex" and the asari "joining" process.  Without the joining, asari can still do what we humans would consider "sex", but it wouldn't be nearly as intimate to them (since there's this whole other level of intimacy that they can achieve).  My supposition is that Liara may have had the non-joining sex with someone before, but because she never felt that deep of a connection with them, she never went "all the way", so to speak.

edit - TotP Liara!

Modifié par TheMarshal, 22 août 2011 - 07:52 .

[Red Son Rising]

TheMarshal wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I mean think about it. If Shepard wasn't her first, why would she even have to think about it? Why would she need time? Why would she need to even think about a union? If she did have a relationship before, she'd already clearly have an idea of how to do things, and how to handle things. Instead she rushes into the very important and life changing thing.

You seem to be missing the distinction that I made earlier about the difference between what we as humans would consider "sex" and the asari "joining" process.  Without the joining, asari can still do what we humans would consider "sex", but it wouldn't be nearly as intimate to them (since there's this whole other level of intimacy that they can achieve).  My supposition is that Liara may have had the non-joining sex with someone before, but because she never felt that deep of a connection with them, she never went "all the way", so to speak

liara doesnt seem like the type to engage in casual relationships at all. if its not serious to begin with her tendency towards awkward conversation lends me to believe she would probably opt to avoid intimate contact completely. 

if the asari reproduction is anything like human reproduction there should be potential to have 'casual' relationships that dont necessarily end in pregnancy. its reasonable to assume the asari [like most sentient species] evolved a process that includes both physical pleasure and reproduction that doesnt gauranty pregnacy 

[TMA LIVE]

If you asked me, could Liara have possibly dated before ME1, I wouldn't be against the idea at all. It's the idea that she's been saving herself for Shepard that I'm against. I'd rather she simply wasn't interested in being in a relationship, and probably didn't get beyond kissing, because she was too focused on studying, and just happened to find her first real love with Shepard. Instead of dating and having sex with others, but apparently not doing a union with them, because they simply didn't have Shepard's charm. Which she only needed a short time to be charmed by.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 22 août 2011 - 08:44 .

[Robhuzz]

Let's not forget Liara is by all means still a maiden Asari. Maidens generally have no interest in real relationships and settling down. The idea of Liara having had someone before seems illogical considering she spent almost all of her adult life in solitude. If she had any sort of affair before Shepard I think it would've been comparable to a highschool crush, possibly kissing and making out a few times but after that, it's over. I truly don't see how Liara could have had anything serious before, which she confirms by saying she never truly thought about joining with someone until she met Shepard.

[PMC65]

Ophiskc wrote...

jtav wrote...
I imagine Liara has been attracted to other asari. I'd be worried about her if she never dated before Shep. In my headcanon, she's had what we regard as sex before, but never felt comfortable melding.

I share your opinion... she's 106 years old when we met her after all, would be strange, for me, if she wasnt physical with anybody before

I know in my headcanon she has had a past filled with lovers. Just no melding before Shep.

[superwiggy]

PMC65 wrote...

Ophiskc wrote...

jtav wrote...
I imagine Liara has been attracted to other asari. I'd be worried about her if she never dated before Shep. In my headcanon, she's had what we regard as sex before, but never felt comfortable melding.

I share your opinion... she's 106 years old when we met her after all, would be strange, for me, if she wasnt physical with anybody before

I know in my headcanon she has had a past filled with lovers. Just no melding before Shep.

To be honest I don't care whether she had lovers before I just care about the fact she is with me now

[Pockles]

Red Son Rising wrote...

Ophiskc wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Also, while we're on this topic, do people believe asari can have some form of sex, that isn't mental? That has nothing to do with the mind, and it's all physical?

In my head canon, the primitive tentacle-thing they [evolved] from werent so advance mentally, so they still needed to physicaly connect and stimulate eachother to generate the DNA randomize process.
So yes, for me they still have nerve bundles to cause pleasure, and when they [evolve] more mentally and they could choose the DNA treats, they keep this, who wouldnt?

there has to be some kind of incentive for sentient beings to mate beyond reproduction. if the mating process isnt inviting, satisfying or desireable there would be little reason to 'do it' beyond the need to further the species

asari were also probably always single sex species, the physical incentive to mate [pleasure] and the biological need to reproduce would have [evolutionated] simultaneously. without both working in concert the asari wouldve had an extremely difficult time developing a sustainable society with significant numbers

[faster red! faster! nobody is gonna read it 9 posts too late like last time]

Sexual pleasure and orgasm seem to serve the purpose of encouraging physical intimacy, which is necessary for human reproduction. I think it's been stated that asari can meld with their partner without even touching them, which would imply that it causes pleasure and is an intrinsic incentive to mate. If this is true there wouldn't be any reason for asari to have a clitoris or some other analogous sexual organ...but that's just my theory.

My interest is purely scientific, of course.

Modifié par Pockles, 22 août 2011 - 09:12 .

[Kadzin]

Pockles wrote...

Red Son Rising wrote...

Ophiskc wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Also, while we're on this topic, do people believe asari can have some form of sex, that isn't mental? That has nothing to do with the mind, and it's all physical?

In my head canon, the primitive tentacle-thing they [evolved] from werent so advance mentally, so they still needed to physicaly connect and stimulate eachother to generate the DNA randomize process.
So yes, for me they still have nerve bundles to cause pleasure, and when they [evolve] more mentally and they could choose the DNA treats, they keep this, who wouldnt?

there has to be some kind of incentive for sentient beings to mate beyond reproduction. if the mating process isnt inviting, satisfying or desireable there would be little reason to 'do it' beyond the need to further the species

asari were also probably always single sex species, the physical incentive to mate [pleasure] and the biological need to reproduce would have [evolutionated] simultaneously. without both working in concert the asari wouldve had an extremely difficult time developing a sustainable society with significant numbers

[faster red! faster! nobody is gonna read it 9 posts too late like last time]

Sexual pleasure and orgasm seem to serve the purpose of encouraging physical intimacy, which is necessary for human reproduction. I think it's been stated that asari can meld with their partner without even touching them, which would imply that it causes pleasure and is an intrinsic incentive to mate. If this is true there wouldn't be any reason for asari to have a clitoris or some other analogous sexual organ...but that's just my theory.

My interest is purely scientific, of course. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

What I consider canon is that asari have their azure, nearly identical to human female reproductive organ, it's just not used for reproduction, just birth. That however doesn't mean they don't use it for physical pleasure, part of the reason why human males are often fascinated with asari. So my male Shep and Liara get physical (www.youtube.com/watch) during the meld, resulting in a sexual experience beyond that of both species.

All this talk about the melds and sex got Liara all embarassed.

Modifié par Kadzin, 22 août 2011 - 09:32 .

[Ophiskc]

Ericzio wrote...
Liara never liked to be by people let alone Asari, so I doubt she had many "lovers" possibly she did have one(if not 0) asari sweetheart, until she found a fascination with male humans  Shepard ;D

fixed

Modifié par Ophiskc, 22 août 2011 - 09:47 .

[Pockles]

Kadzin wrote...

Pockles wrote...

Sexual pleasure and orgasm seem to serve the purpose of encouraging physical intimacy, which is necessary for human reproduction. I think it's been stated that asari can meld with their partner without even touching them, which would imply that it causes pleasure and is an intrinsic incentive to mate. If this is true there wouldn't be any reason for asari to have a clitoris or some other analogous sexual organ...but that's just my theory.

My interest is purely scientific, of course. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

What I consider canon is that asari have their azure, nearly identical to human female reproductive organ, it's just not used for reproduction, just birth. That however doesn't mean they don't use it for physical pleasure, part of the reason why human males are often fascinated with asari. So my male Shep and Liara get physical (www.youtube.com/watch) during the meld, resulting in a sexual experience beyond that of both species.

All this talk about the melds and sex got Liara all embarassed.

I'm not saying asari don't have vaginas. They have breasts (mammary glands) which conceivably imply live birth, which means they probably have a uterus and birth canal. But that which is the primary cause of pleasure via stimulation is the clitoris, which isn't needed for childbirth, so there isn't a reason it would be there. So, while a male Shepard could have sex (physically) with Liara, pleasure wouldn't necessarily be mutual, barring a simultaneous meld.

This discussion is starting to sound dirty and clinical.

[Red Son Rising]

agreed, back to the important stuff: More blue? yes please


"catchin flashbacks of our eye contact /
wish i could lay ya on ya stomach and caress ya back.
i would hold ya in my arms and ease ya fears /
i cant believe it, i aint had a crush in years.
hey lover
hey Lover / this is more than a crush"

Ophiskc wrote...

Ericzio wrote...
Liara never liked to be by people let alone Asari, so I doubt she had many "lovers" possibly she did have one(if not 0) asari sweetheart, until she found a fascination with male humans  Shepard ;D

fixed

thank you! that was killin me [i slip and add a him/her in there sometimes but its still weird to see] 

Modifié par Red Son Rising, 22 août 2011 - 10:04 .

[PMC65]

Ericzio wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Ophiskc wrote...

jtav wrote...
I imagine Liara has been attracted to other asari. I'd be worried about her if she never dated before Shep. In my headcanon, she's had what we regard as sex before, but never felt comfortable melding.

I share your opinion... she's 106 years old when we met her after all, would be strange, for me, if she wasnt physical with anybody before

I know in my headcanon she has had a past filled with lovers. Just no melding before Shep.

Liara never liked to be by people let alone Asari, so I doubt she had many "lovers" possibly she did have one(if not 0) asari sweetheart, until she found a fascination with male humans ;D

In your game I would 100% agree ... 

In my game Liara is quite comfortable around her own kind.

It is only with the humans that she is uncomfortable and not only does she not understand them, but she also does not trust them.

I see her life on Thessia and elsewhere as filled with family, friends and ex's ... She loves all things prothean, skyball and kaffee.  

She no more has the hots for humans, male or otherwise (female), until she meets Shepard. The prothean stuck in his/her head is the carrot that even makes her take a second look.
 
But that is just in my gameplay.

[Red Son Rising]

PMC65 wrote...

In your game I would 100% agree ... 

In my game Liara is quite comfortable around her own kind.

It is only with the humans that she is uncomfortable and not only does she not understand them, but she also does not trust them.

I see her life on Thessia and elsewhere as filled with family, friends and ex's ... She loves all things prothean, skyball and kaffee.  

She no more has the hots for humans, male or otherwise (female), until she meets Shepard. The prothean stuck in his/her head is the carrot that even makes her take a second look.
 
But that is just in my gameplay.

"actually i think i was talking about my interest in you and making a fool of myself in the process. as i said im not used to dealing with people, especially humans"

http://youtu.be/h9Veak7u3zU?t=11m48s

sounds to me like liara enjoyed solitude in general. she didnt seem to be very excited about ''following in benezia's footsteps" and being a leader. she seemed much more comfortable working alone instead of getting into wordy conversations and sticking her foot in her mouth. "please, just pretend this conversation never happened"

Modifié par Red Son Rising, 22 août 2011 - 10:39 .

[Pockles]

PMC65 wrote...

Ericzio wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Ophiskc wrote...

jtav wrote...
I imagine Liara has been attracted to other asari. I'd be worried about her if she never dated before Shep. In my headcanon, she's had what we regard as sex before, but never felt comfortable melding.

I share your opinion... she's 106 years old when we met her after all, would be strange, for me, if she wasnt physical with anybody before

I know in my headcanon she has had a past filled with lovers. Just no melding before Shep.

Liara never liked to be by people let alone Asari, so I doubt she had many "lovers" possibly she did have one(if not 0) asari sweetheart, until she found a fascination with male humans ;D

In your game I would 100% agree ... 

In my game Liara is quite comfortable around her own kind.

It is only with the humans that she is uncomfortable and not only does she not understand them, but she also does not trust them.

I see her life on Thessia and elsewhere as filled with family, friends and ex's ... She loves all things prothean, skyball and kaffee.  

She no more has the hots for humans, male or otherwise (female), until she meets Shepard. The prothean stuck in his/her head is the carrot that even makes her take a second look.
 
But that is just in my gameplay.

What gave you the idea that she doesn't trust humans? I always imagined she simply feared a scenario like this:

Liara: Hello, commander.
Shepard: Excellent, then we will be married on the first day of spring. Let it be known that if you back out of your proposal I will be obligated to fight you to the death.
Liara: What-
Shepard: This could have been avoided if you had studied my species' culture.

[PMC65]

Red Son Rising wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

In your game I would 100% agree ... 

In my game Liara is quite comfortable around her own kind.

It is only with the humans that she is uncomfortable and not only does she not understand them, but she also does not trust them.

I see her life on Thessia and elsewhere as filled with family, friends and ex's ... She loves all things prothean, skyball and kaffee.  

She no more has the hots for humans, male or otherwise (female), until she meets Shepard. The prothean stuck in his/her head is the carrot that even makes her take a second look.
 
But that is just in my gameplay.

"actually i think i was talking about my interest in you and making a fool of myself in the process. as i said im not used to dealing with people, especially humans"
http://youtu.be/h9Veak7u3zU?t=11m48s
sounds to me like liara enjoyed solitude in general. she didnt seem to be very excited about ''following in benezia's footsteps" and being a leader. she seemed much more comfortable working alone instead of getting into wordy conversations and sticking her foot in her mouth. "please, just pretend this conversation never happened"

If you watch Liara with other asari she is not tripping over herself and she holds her own pretty well with Ash. It appears that she fumbles with Shepard which I can totally relate too when it comes to looking like a putz around someone I like.

I also don't see Liara trying to be a "leader" in her past but I don't see her tucked 100% of her time in ruins. As I said, in my gameplay she had a past life and when she gets onboard the Normandy she is absolutely out of her element, which makes her cautious ... because she is not a foolish gal either.

[PMC65]

Pockles wrote...

What gave you the idea that she doesn't trust humans? I always imagined she simply feared a scenario like this:

Liara: Hello, commander.
Shepard: Excellent, then we will be married on the first day of spring. Let it be known that if you back out of your proposal I will be obligated to fight you to the death.
Liara: What-
Shepard: This could have been avoided if you had studied my species' culture.

Add to it the "fixed" strip poker game they played and yep ... no trusting humans! Especially ones named Shepard!

[Kadzin]

Pockles wrote...

Kadzin wrote...

Pockles wrote...

Sexual pleasure and orgasm seem to serve the purpose of encouraging physical intimacy, which is necessary for human reproduction. I think it's been stated that asari can meld with their partner without even touching them, which would imply that it causes pleasure and is an intrinsic incentive to mate. If this is true there wouldn't be any reason for asari to have a clitoris or some other analogous sexual organ...but that's just my theory.

My interest is purely scientific, of course. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

What I consider canon is that asari have their azure, nearly identical to human female reproductive organ, it's just not used for reproduction, just birth. That however doesn't mean they don't use it for physical pleasure, part of the reason why human males are often fascinated with asari. So my male Shep and Liara get physical (www.youtube.com/watch) during the meld, resulting in a sexual experience beyond that of both species.

All this talk about the melds and sex got Liara all embarassed.

I'm not saying asari don't have vaginas. They have breasts (mammary glands) which conceivably imply live birth, which means they probably have a uterus and birth canal. But that which is the primary cause of pleasure via stimulation is the clitoris, which isn't needed for childbirth, so there isn't a reason it would be there. So, while a male Shepard could have sex (physically) with Liara, pleasure wouldn't necessarily be mutual, barring a simultaneous meld.

This discussion is starting to sound dirty and clinical. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie]

Purely scientific.

I agree that the asari most likely do not have the clitoris as they do not require a phisical stimulus during the meld. However... I'd like to think that they do, so as long as we don't get an official announcement I am going to keep thinking that

I think it's for the best if we stop further discussion on the matter before the mods get suspicious
And before it goes into the creepy area.

[Red Son Rising]

PMC65 wrote...
If you watch Liara with other asari she is not tripping over herself and she holds her own pretty well with Ash. It appears that she fumbles with Shepard which I can totally relate too when it comes to looking like a putz around someone I like.

I also don't see Liara trying to be a "leader" in her past but I don't see her tucked 100% of her time in ruins. As I said, in my gameplay she had a past life and when she gets onboard the Normandy she is absolutely out of her element, which makes her cautious ... because she is not a foolish gal either.

curious. we both approach the canon a lil differently especially with things that arent covered in the games. its just a difference in playstyles, at this point im most interested in understanding why that is

in my game Liara is coming out of her shell and displaying assertiveness around other ppl because of her relationship with shepard. shepards vote of confidence bringing liara on board after therum gave liara the stones to push back when shepards crewmates give her a hard time for example. the further from therum the story gets the tougher she becomes

by the time illium rolls around liara has been thru so much shes even got a lil attitude for shepard. its a lot easier to threaten clients that dont pay her or shout down a chatty opponent after saving the galaxy alongside shepard, one of the baddest ppl in the known galaxy

i buy into liara being a shy lil caterpillar that shepard discovers and helps blossom into a powerful biotic butterfly with a mouth to match. it took a while but now she has the kinds of social skills necessary to be an information broker 

she was already a strong biotic that could fend for herself, now she can hold a conversation and threaten ppl when she needs to: ME1 liara was almost whiney and rarely had much to say [outside the medbay] that wasnt bathed in 'omg i cant believe this shepard help!'

[Red Son Rising]

Kadzin wrote...

Purely scientific.

I agree that the asari most likely do not have the clitoris as they do not require a phisical stimulus during the meld. However... I'd like to think that they do, so as long as we don't get an official announcement I am going to keep thinking that

I think it's for the best if we stop further discussion on the matter before the mods get suspicious
And before it goes into the creepy area.

[PMC65]

Red Son Rising wrote...

PMC65 wrote...
If you watch Liara with other asari she is not tripping over herself and she holds her own pretty well with Ash. It appears that she fumbles with Shepard which I can totally relate too when it comes to looking like a putz around someone I like.

I also don't see Liara trying to be a "leader" in her past but I don't see her tucked 100% of her time in ruins. As I said, in my gameplay she had a past life and when she gets onboard the Normandy she is absolutely out of her element, which makes her cautious ... because she is not a foolish gal either.

curious. we both approach the canon a lil differently especially with things that arent covered in the games. its just a difference in playstyles, at this point im most interested in understanding why that is

in my game Liara is coming out of her shell and displaying assertiveness around other ppl because of her relationship with shepard. shepards vote of confidence bringing liara on board after therum gave liara the stones to push back when shepards crewmates give her a hard time for example. the further from therum the story gets the tougher she becomes

by the time illium rolls around liara has been thru so much shes even got a lil attitude for shepard. its a lot easier to threaten clients that dont pay her or shout down a chatty opponent after saving the galaxy alongside shepard, one of the baddest ppl in the known galaxy

i buy into liara being a shy lil caterpillar that shepard discovers and helps blossom into a powerful biotic butterfly with a mouth to match. it took a while but now she has the kinds of social skills necessary to be an information broker 

she was already a strong biotic that could fend for herself, now she can hold a conversation and threaten ppl when she needs to: ME1 liara was almost whiney and rarely had much to say [outside the medbay] that wasnt bathed in 'omg i cant believe this shepard help!'

For me, Liara has always been smart, cautious and observant. When she ends up on the Normandy she keeps her cards close to her chest. As Shepard starts to get close to her, she comes out of her shell very slowly. When LotSB was released, that was how I always saw her ... tough, quick thinking and sensible ... and emotionally on guard. 

The way I see Liara is captured in the fan fic (shameful plug ) "A Thessian's Whisper" noted below. It was started for my own private record of what E.W. Shepard had lost pre-Normandy and wouldn't you know, Liara wanted to play as well, so I added her into the story. 

I love how this game has "holes" because it allows us to fill in the blanks.   

[PMC65]

Red Son Rising wrote...

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2 beers at Chora's Den = 8.50 chits
A lap dance by an asari = 20.00 chits
Liara catching you =

[Pockles]

Is it possible Liara was influenced by Shep's personality during their meld prior to Ilos, thereby contributing to the change in her character in ME2?

Just a thought.