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[CrimsonN7]

PMC65 wrote...

I took Jack on the mission because that chick wasn't the gossip gal ... no girls club for her. Shepard would not have run back onto the Normandy telling everyone as well ... yet everytime you turned around in ME3 there was a "wonda who de shado boka is?" *wink wink at Liara*

*Shakes fist at Bioware* Jack's only a goddamn tease to my Shep is what she is, I think they put her on my ship just to slowly torture my Shep<_< Poor Liara had to deal with a very sexually frustrated Shep:whistle:

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 14 juin 2012 - 02:43 .

[moreeman06]

PMC65 wrote...

Ah, Liara! One of the reasons that I really like her ... The kitten has claws!

http://t2.gstatic.co...zzojucEjfXvloSA
Originally posted by moreeman06

Speaking of Shadow Broker ... That was one thing that was so lame - everyone knew that Liara was the shadow broker? Everyone? It just made her look incompetent.

So that is one more thing in ME3 that I ignored as "did not happen really ... just another untruth as told by old man". That is one positive about old man ... any Bioware canon can now be wiped away.

was I really the first person to post that....

oh well Hi PMC *waves*

and i thought that the Normandy SR2 crew or at the very least Shepards squad would know that Liara was the SB and maybe Hackett/Anderson but i didn't expect her own agents to know either

[Han Shot First]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Instead the intel that starts the LotSB mission should have come from Liara herself. She was after all, an information broker. The email should have been one from Liara saying she's tracked down the Shadowbroker and needs your help.

That's such a simple solution I don't know why they didn't do that.  It also would've made Liara look more competent.

I totally agree with that last point.

I don't think there is any explanation for it other than that the writing team was at times a bit overly fixated on Cerberus and the Illusive Man. That, and obviously the email wasn't given much thought. Otherwise someone would have brought up that the player potentially severed their relationship with Cerberus prior to starting Lair of the Shadow Broker, and that if the DLC is going to focus on Liara's quest to kill the Shadow Broker, it makes much more sense as far as the story goes to also have the intel come from her.

Lair of the Shadow Broker was fantastic, and easily the best Mass Effect related DLC that Bioware has done so far. But the email that starts it off was rather poorly handled.

[adneate]

CrimsonN7 wrote...
Yeah I always thought that was pretty inconsistant, I just openly defied TIM wishes, blew the collector base to bits and told him to bascially shove it yet he's still sending me information to help my former crewmate, hmm he took that ...well:huh: Wonder what else I can get away with:D

Technically the lead comes from Cerberus Intelligence (an oxymoron if I ever heard one) not TIM directly. Though just for logic's sake I don't think the tip comes after the Collector Base if you were to flesh that whole encounter out and put things in stone. Just because no matter how much everyone in Cerberus likes Shepard you can screw them pretty hard at the end, where basically for them the Lazarus cell goes completely rogue.

Though Cerberus cells go rogue all the time so maybe everyone's cool with it, they still exchange emails until the kill orders come in for each other. Then they stop writing and start shooting each other.

[Yuqi]

S3Plan wrote...

Yuqi wrote...
I discovered something. If you don't talk to Liara outside of the nesscary moments, she won't offer the gift at london.

Really? How differently does the scene play out, then? Does she simply bid Shepard farewell, or is there any dialogue that isn't present in the gift-inclusive conversation?

YOu get the usual 'the wounded here wont make it'(Or whatever the good ems ones are. Then liara says "I just know I'll have a clever line five minitues from now." and then she asks shepard if he/she has any last minitue advice and Shepard says "Stay Safe Liara."

(I'll get around to getting the specifics of the dialouge later.)

@arcataye

Sorry, I interpruted it wrong and thought you were being sarcastic with the text in the signature.

The romance felt somewhat forced to me, like it wasn't  natural. It was sweet but didn't feel as fleshed out as it could've been. Kaidan just annoys me..to no end,  and I can't see Shepard with him because of  millitary regulations.

I will say his much better in ME3, and his goodbye line: "We both know the score. We know this is goodbye."  I do find that particular line to be especially heartwrenching

Anyway back on topic.

 Fanart of Liara:

What one is your favorite?
Why do you like the particular peice?

[moreeman06]

Yuqi wrote...
*snip*

 Fanart of Liara:

What one is your favorite?
Why do you like the particular peice?

I Don't want to choose Yuqi, there's just to many.....

I guess I'll go after this one
 "Years Later":  By Whalec.  (I'll leave it up to Akernis to post pinkfoxx's wonderful portrait of Liara again)
http://moreeman06.de...et=192#/d4w3wmj 

Reasons:  Everything about Liara in this is nailed the skintone is just the right shade of light blue and the shadows fall remarkably well and darken parts of her face naturally.  The Background is magnificent.  It is probably the only instance I've seen Liara in the Justicar outfit in a fanart that I thought looked good on her.  Its just something about changing the fabric to blacks and greys instead of the reds that makes it go so much better with her skin.   and her expression is just perfect,  a little wistful which the artist was going for and yet you can look past that and see happyness and maybe even a little suprise its all written there in the smirk the eye placement the tilt of the head.   and personally i choose to imagine that Liara was waiting for Shep to return from a mission instead of this taking place after he died because goddammit this just captures Liara wonderfully and i refuse to believe that that smirk has nothing to do with a live shepard.   Thats just IMO though and as i said the expression on her face is perfect for suprise and wistfullness and the latter plays perfectly into the artists description of this taking place years after Shep died

[Aristobulus500]

Yuqi wrote...

 Fanart of Liara:

What one is your favorite?
Why do you like the particular peice?

Has to be this piece.



I like it because it's a look at how magnificent and exotic Thessia could've and should've been. From this one picture, you get an idea of a place that is very much not Earth, and you can tell the Asari have their own culture and style that is very different from human's culture and style. Even the clothing is exotic and alien.

[lillitheris]

Han Shot First wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Instead the intel that starts the LotSB mission should have come from Liara herself. She was after all, an information broker. The email should have been one from Liara saying she's tracked down the Shadowbroker and needs your help.

That's such a simple solution I don't know why they didn't do that.  It also would've made Liara look more competent.

I totally agree with that last point.

I don't think there is any explanation for it other than that the writing team was at times a bit overly fixated on Cerberus and the Illusive Man.

No. Being the Shadow Broker is insanely complex…I’ve dealt with the topic just touching the surface. He’d get killed every other week if a single investigator could find him like that.

Requiring the co-operation of unlikely parties and a good bit of luck in timing should be the only way to catch the SB.

[lillitheris]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I like it because it's a look at how magnificent and exotic Thessia could've and should've been. From this one picture, you get an idea of a place that is very much not Earth, and you can tell the Asari have their own culture and style that is very different from human's culture and style. Even the clothing is exotic and alien.

I like the idea behind this…but it’s not Liara. And Thessia has no moons.

…

Mine’s this one, dunno why:

[Theodoro]

This one for me:



I also love MetalDragonKiryu's one that was posted in the previous page. I also love the one posted by Aristobulus, but Liara doesn't quite look like herself there, so I tend to think of that as a normal asari, even though she has eyebrow markings.

Modifié par Theodoro, 14 juin 2012 - 06:36 .

[Aristobulus500]

lillitheris wrote...

I like the idea behind this…but it’s not Liara. And Thessia has no moons.

It is Liara, and it isn't. She has the facial markings Liara does - the "eyebrows" and the freckles, but then the facial structure and body structure is a bit off, too. I think the artist just couldn't decide if he wanted the Asari to be Liara or not.

The errors are a bit easier to accept when you realize it was made before ME3 - I'm not sure when exactly it was made.

And okay, I'll give you the moon one, assuming we knew that about Thessia back in ME2/ME1. Remove the moons from the picture and my points about it still stand, though. It's still very alien and exotic.

[TheDonk95]

Yuqi wrote...

 Fanart of Liara:

What one is your favorite?
Why do you like the particular peice?

That is a very, very hard question, man. You really got me there. I can honestly say that I can't choose. Its like saying what is the best game you have ever played. You can say Mass Effect 2- oh but then what about games like Half Life 1? You just can't do it! I can say that Theodor's profile picture and the picture that he just posted are some of my favorites. Also this one:

[S3Plan]

Yuqi wrote...

YOu get the usual 'the wounded here wont make it'(Or whatever the good ems ones are. Then liara says "I just know I'll have a clever line five minitues from now." and then she asks shepard if he/she has any last minitue advice and Shepard says "Stay Safe Liara."

(I'll get around to getting the specifics of the dialouge later.)

Thanks!

Looking at it from an in-universe perspective, I imagine that Liara doesn't want to thrust something so intimate on Shepard when they haven't really had time to bond or converse as friends during the course of the game. It's similar to how Liara will not bring up the romance in Lair of the Shadow Broker if Shepard completely ignores it, and that she does desire it but doesn't want to put pressure on Shepard.

The love is still present, but she doesn't want to exert any pressure on Shepard or make her feel uncomfortable. This is consistent with LotSB.

[lillitheris]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

I like the idea behind this…but it’s not Liara. And Thessia has no moons.

It is Liara, and it isn't. She has the facial markings Liara does - the "eyebrows" and the freckles, but then the facial structure and body structure is a bit off, too. I think the artist just couldn't decide if he wanted the Asari to be Liara or not.

The errors are a bit easier to accept when you realize it was made before ME3 - I'm not sure when exactly it was made.

And okay, I'll give you the moon one, assuming we knew that about Thessia back in ME2/ME1. Remove the moons from the picture and my points about it still stand, though. It's still very alien and exotic.

Oh, sure. I didn’t mean it as a ‘4/10’. It’s still a nice piece, it just doesn’t work for me within the params 

[DOsquareZER]

Yuqi wrote...
 Fanart of Liara:

What one is your favorite?
Why do you like the particular peice?

This one (although Agregor has a few really good ones).  Theres another I really like but its more of an edited screenshot (no its not a nude...), not sure it qualifies - so I'll go with this one as my top choice.
Textures are great, armor is detailed... her expression is stunningly awesome!  So full of confidence, strength, maturity, beauty, and yet at the same time doesn't betray or mask that nerdy little prothean expert underlay we knew/know (or were so fond of) back in ME1, you can still glance that layer of her in that gaze.  The soft warmth of her smile, yet amusement in that slowly forming smirk like she's caught you staring..or something.  Ionno, she just looks like she's really in her element here with that posture and expression, comfortable.


This one is good as well, (Liara's face is kind of off with this artist though, otherwise it would be top)


Also: the screenshot one, an honorable mention in my book and wins a top 3 favored desktop image award for the year so far. 
http://th02.devianta...eyn-d4uz21w.jpg
And this one because it never fails to amuse me.
http://30.media.tumb...6o1_r2_1280.png

Modifié par doozer12, 14 juin 2012 - 08:09 .

[Aristobulus500]

doozer12 wrote...

This one.  Theres another I really like but its more of an edited screenshot (no its not a nude...),

A total tangent, but just a thought - it's really funny to me that you said this. You made me stop and realize - I don't think I actually know of any well done fanart of Liara where she's nude. Seems like, when I think of "well done fan image of nude Liara" I think of things like Neeh's stuff, but that's model editing and posing, not fanart.

[Arcataye]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

It is Liara, and it isn't. She has the facial markings Liara does - the "eyebrows" and the freckles, but then the facial structure and body structure is a bit off, too. I think the artist just couldn't decide if he wanted the Asari to be Liara or not.

The errors are a bit easier to accept when you realize it was made before ME3 - I'm not sure when exactly it was made.

And okay, I'll give you the moon one, assuming we knew that about Thessia back in ME2/ME1. Remove the moons from the picture and my points about it still stand, though. It's still very alien and exotic.

The artist has that piece named just as "Asari" on dA, maybe because that way he won't get a bunch of "doesn't look like Liara" -comments. But on his own site it's named "Liara", but she doesn't look like the one in the games because it could be his vision of a really young Liara before leaving Thessia. But I'm just guessing here.
It was made around September 19, 2008. The moon could be another planet in the system? Tho it looks a bit too close, but whatever. :happy:


I honestly can't link just one picture and say it's my favourite. There's too many.

Modifié par Arcataye, 14 juin 2012 - 08:26 .

[DOsquareZER]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

doozer12 wrote...

This one.  Theres another I really like but its more of an edited screenshot (no its not a nude...),

A total tangent, but just a thought - it's really funny to me that you said this. You made me stop and realize - I don't think I actually know of any well done fanart of Liara where she's nude. Seems like, when I think of "well done fan image of nude Liara" I think of things like Neeh's stuff, but that's model editing and posing, not fanart.

Ionno, I like Agregor's stuff (i think thats the name?) he does some decent works, Liara nudes - pencil drawings, skills make me jealous - wish I could pencil a piece like his.  They're mostly tasteful (aside from that one... *coughs*)

Modifié par doozer12, 14 juin 2012 - 08:08 .

[Han Shot First]

lillitheris wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Instead the intel that starts the LotSB mission should have come from Liara herself. She was after all, an information broker. The email should have been one from Liara saying she's tracked down the Shadowbroker and needs your help.

That's such a simple solution I don't know why they didn't do that.  It also would've made Liara look more competent.

I totally agree with that last point.

I don't think there is any explanation for it other than that the writing team was at times a bit overly fixated on Cerberus and the Illusive Man.

No. Being the Shadow Broker is insanely complex…I’ve dealt with the topic just touching the surface. He’d get killed every other week if a single investigator could find him like that.

Requiring the co-operation of unlikely parties and a good bit of luck in timing should be the only way to catch the SB.

You could still have that bit without involving Cerberus and with Liara being the point of contact.

Having Cerberus crack the location of the Shadow Broker was not well thought out by Bioware. It does not make much sense if LotSB is played after the Suicide Mission and after the Lazarus cell has gone rogue by destroying the Collector Base, which is exactly how LotSB was played for most people who downloaded it. It also serves to make Liara look less competent, and presents the problem of the antagonists in ME3 knowing that Liara is the Shadow Broker. TIM could bring down her whole organization without a single shot being fired. All he'd have to do is make her identity public knowledge.

On fanart...

I like the one Aristobulus500 posted for pretty much the same reasons he posted, though I she only vaguely resembles Liara. The character looks more like it could be Liara's half-siter, than Liara herself. But it gets major points for actually depicting the character and Thessia as something alien and exotic.
 
There is another image I've seen posted here before that I like for similar reasons. It depicts an Asari mother and her daughter, and I'm fairly certain it is supposed to be Benezia & Liara. I like it because it just shows this facet of Asari life and it isn't about bad@ssery or sex appeal, which is what 99% of fanart is trying to portray.  Not that anything is wrong with either of those things of course.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 14 juin 2012 - 08:21 .

[lillitheris]

Han Shot First wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Instead the intel that starts the LotSB mission should have come from Liara herself. She was after all, an information broker. The email should have been one from Liara saying she's tracked down the Shadowbroker and needs your help.

That's such a simple solution I don't know why they didn't do that.  It also would've made Liara look more competent.

I totally agree with that last point.

I don't think there is any explanation for it other than that the writing team was at times a bit overly fixated on Cerberus and the Illusive Man.

No. Being the Shadow Broker is insanely complex…I’ve dealt with the topic just touching the surface. He’d get killed every other week if a single investigator could find him like that.

Requiring the co-operation of unlikely parties and a good bit of luck in timing should be the only way to catch the SB.

You could still have that bit without involving Cerberus and with Liara being the point of contact.

Having Cerberus crack the location of the Shadow Broker was not well thought out by Bioware. It does not make much sense if LotSB is played after the Suicide Mission and after the Lazarus cell has gone rogue by destroying the Collector Base, which is exactly how LotSB was played for most people who downloaded it. It also serves to make Liara look less competent, and presents the problem of the antagonists in ME3 knowing that Liara is the Shadow Broker. TIM could bring down her whole organization without a single shot being fired. All he'd have to do is make her identity public knowledge.

…And? Life’s not always convenient.

If it makes Liara look less competent in your eyes, then that’s on you…

[Aristobulus500]

doozer12 wrote...

Ionno, I like Agregor's stuff (i think thats the name?) he does some decent works, Liara nudes - pencil drawings, skills make me jealous - wish I could pencil a piece like his.  They're mostly tasteful (aside from that one... *coughs*)

Can you link it? I don't actually know what images you're talking about by name, but I get a feeling I've seen them before.

[DOsquareZER]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

doozer12 wrote...

Ionno, I like Agregor's stuff (i think thats the name?) he does some decent works, Liara nudes - pencil drawings, skills make me jealous - wish I could pencil a piece like his.  They're mostly tasteful (aside from that one... *coughs*)

Can you link it? I don't actually know what images you're talking about by name, but I get a feeling I've seen them before.

hmmm *scrounges* oh probably.  Practically the only ones Ive found that arn't outright porno, gmod (*cringes*), or photo manips (and that i like) are these.
Warning: I reckon these ones are a little NSFW - behave work employees.
http://fc00.devianta..._by_Agregor.jpg
http://th04.devianta..._by_Agregor.jpg
http://fc04.devianta...gor-d34nxci.jpg

Modifié par doozer12, 14 juin 2012 - 09:51 .

[Aristobulus500]

Ah, yeah, those. Not *bad*, and you're right, the first two are pretty tasteful. The third isn't, but whatever...

Though I'm not a huge fan of the images even if I say they are relatively well done. Too sketchy for my tastes - I prefer an artist to go all out and use full color and create an entire background scene and everything. That just makes me think of a doodle in a notebook. Doesn't draw me in as much as a more....finished image.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

moreeman06 wrote...

 "Years Later":  By Whalec.  (I'll leave it up to Akernis to post pinkfoxx's wonderful portrait of Liara again)
http://moreeman06.de...et=192#/d4w3wmj

This is one my favorite fanarts out there, but I really never understood how this was meant to show something taking places far into the future when Shepard is gone. It just seems too happy for something that is bittersweet.

TOP! Give me a second.
Because I like it dammit!
http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

Modifié par Lizardviking, 14 juin 2012 - 10:13 .

[rubynorman]

^ That picture turns on my depression mode.
Most of favorite fanarts of Liara and Shep are from HumanGrotesque. They're simple, beautiful, cute and romantic.