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[TheDonk95]

Arcataye wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I'll enjoy that just because it looks like she's launching ponies to their doom.

****in' ponies. Ruinin' everythin'.

You can't even imagine how much I respect you know. I thought I was the only one...

*pic*

I don't wanna see sh*t like this in the Liara thread. So much fail...

[Aristobulus500]

Seriously, ironically posting bad fanart is just, ugh. It's a bad road to go down and has ruined threads before. It just leads to people posting a bunch of terrible fetish **** - inflation, vore, etc. It's out there, we know it, we don't need to see it.

[Akernis]

Right, lets fix that problem.

Modifié par Akernis, 20 juin 2012 - 08:23 .

[Sarcastic Tasha]

lillitheris wrote...

Really? The Collector base is actually somewhat reasonable (I didn’t like the “it’s an abomination” angle), but I think the genophage cure sabotage is perhaps the worst Renegade option. It’s incredibly short-sighted: you unify all the krogan for the first time in millennia, and then they find out that you screwed them over? What do you think will happen?

Conversely, going with the cure opens up a really interesting avenue (with some fairly obvious options to mitigate problems). The krogan storyline is actually one of the things I’m most looking forward to in “Unity”.

I really liked the genophage storyline. I thought the writers did a good job of making it a tough decision. Eve and the krogan cave paintings did show the krogan had the potential to be civilized but hearing the way the krogan talk, they just don't seem like they want to change. I don't think curing the genophage would give them any motivation to change either. Curing the genophage would result in a population explosion. On top of that Wrex would push for the krogan to get a seat on the council and be allowed to build warships again. They'd start colonising new worlds and soon enough, like before, they'd start expanding into another specie's space (I believe it was asari space last time) and it would all kick off again. I don't think the krogan have changed since the krogan rebellions, well they've go angrier but I don't think that will help matters.

The other reason for sabotaging the cure of course is to gain salarian support. Obviously that doesn't work out too well in the long run (unless Wrex was killed in ME1) but Shepard doesn't know that when she makes the choice. Though I think the salarians should be worth more war assets than the krogan since the krogan don't have a fleet. So sabotaging the genophage seems perfectly logical to me.

[PMC65]

Arcataye - If that pony leaves anything in this room then YOU have to clean it up!

Rubynorman - Stay out of that toxic thread! Let the angry spout off about how Liara the stalker took poor Shepard's body and gave it to Cerberus. I've always said that if that really bothered the player then after Shepard is dead they could shut off the game and pretend (s)he stayed dead. Problem solved.

[rubynorman]

PMC65 wrote...

Arcataye - If that pony leaves anything in this room then YOU have to clean it up!

Rubynorman - Stay out of that toxic thread! Let the angry spout off about how Liara the stalker took poor Shepard's body and gave it to Cerberus. I've always said that if that really bothered the player then after Shepard is dead they could shut off the game and pretend (s)he stayed dead. Problem solved.

In the begining ,I just wanted to stop the bashing from both sides because it made us look bad too, tried to stay out of it and failed. My English isn't good enough to say the things I want. Argh, ok I give up on defending and say goodbye to that thread.

Edit: @PMC If only there was a new chapter of "The Shepherdess and the Questing Beast", It would cheer me up right away

Modifié par rubynorman, 20 juin 2012 - 09:28 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

MrStoob wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
...kindness is for fools and only exist in fairytales!

That's actually quite sad.

I was only joking!

[kumquats]

Ah well. I hope PMC doesn't mind, me posting a picture then of Shepard's and Liara's baby girl by RedLiner91

She looks so much like her father. [this, was a joke]

[Yuqi]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Really? The Collector base is actually somewhat reasonable (I didn’t like the “it’s an abomination” angle), but I think the genophage cure sabotage is perhaps the worst Renegade option. It’s incredibly short-sighted: you unify all the krogan for the first time in millennia, and then they find out that you screwed them over? What do you think will happen?

Conversely, going with the cure opens up a really interesting avenue (with some fairly obvious options to mitigate problems). The krogan storyline is actually one of the things I’m most looking forward to in “Unity”.

I really liked the genophage storyline. I thought the writers did a good job of making it a tough decision. Eve and the krogan cave paintings did show the krogan had the potential to be civilized but hearing the way the krogan talk, they just don't seem like they want to change. I don't think curing the genophage would give them any motivation to change either. Curing the genophage would result in a population explosion. On top of that Wrex would push for the krogan to get a seat on the council and be allowed to build warships again. They'd start colonising new worlds and soon enough, like before, they'd start expanding into another specie's space (I believe it was asari space last time) and it would all kick off again. I don't think the krogan have changed since the krogan rebellions, well they've go angrier but I don't think that will help matters.

The other reason for sabotaging the cure of course is to gain salarian support. Obviously that doesn't work out too well in the long run (unless Wrex was killed in ME1) but Shepard doesn't know that when she makes the choice. Though I think the salarians should be worth more war assets than the krogan since the krogan don't have a fleet. So sabotaging the genophage seems perfectly logical to me.

+10

In hindsight,  I probably should have added a  poke-tounge-out smiley face to my last post. I forget that some people take things way too seriously.

Modifié par Yuqi, 20 juin 2012 - 09:28 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Not to sidetrack this discussion, but curing the genophage is no more brilliant than the light show at the end. At the end of the day, the krogan are virtually dead. Regardless of whether the genophage is cured or not, the krogan don't have dreadnoughts whilst the turians (they seem the type to use them) do have them. Any conflict would be extremely one-sided. As a result, the council virtually dictate terms for a peaceful expansion (slow and sustainable growth, society moving away from "death knight" culture before letting the krogan build dreadnoughts). This is never addressed in the game.

Secondly, Shepard has orders to secure the help of the turian fleet, who in turn want support from the krogan. There is thus no reason to even consider the salarian offer. If Hacket needed smart engineers, he'd have said so - what he did say we needed was the largest fleet. Obviously, Shepard can not bring this up in conversation.

Finally, curing the genophage is not final - whilst this may be the only time the genophage can be cured, there are loads and loads of ways to kill off the krogan if it should become necessary in the future, such as a new biological weapon or just old-fashioned orbital bombardment (the krogan don't have a fleet, remember?) if nothing else works. Again, this is not addressed at all.

So, you have a complicated multidimensional decision coerced into a paragon/renegade conflict for the sake of a gameplay mechanic.

But hey, it's Bioware. I can't help but feel that it might be best to just escape into headcanon after ME1 (ME2 is filler, ME3... completely undermines the rest of the series and works neither as a sequel to ME nor as the end of the series)

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 20 juin 2012 - 09:46 .

[lillitheris]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Really? The Collector base is actually somewhat reasonable (I didn’t like the “it’s an abomination” angle), but I think the genophage cure sabotage is perhaps the worst Renegade option. It’s incredibly short-sighted: you unify all the krogan for the first time in millennia, and then they find out that you screwed them over? What do you think will happen?

Conversely, going with the cure opens up a really interesting avenue (with some fairly obvious options to mitigate problems). The krogan storyline is actually one of the things I’m most looking forward to in “Unity”.

I really liked the genophage storyline. I thought the writers did a good job of making it a tough decision. Eve and the krogan cave paintings did show the krogan had the potential to be civilized but hearing the way the krogan talk, they just don't seem like they want to change. I don't think curing the genophage would give them any motivation to change either.

It is a tough decision, yeah.

Curing the genophage would result in a population explosion.

I’m absolutely amazed how many people think this. On the upside, I guess my idea for “Unity” will actually be something novel, then.

On top of that Wrex would push for the krogan to get a seat on the council and be allowed to build warships again. They'd start colonising new worlds and soon enough, like before, they'd start expanding into another specie's space

…Because they don’t remember what happened last time?

The other reason for sabotaging the cure of course is to gain salarian support. Obviously that doesn't work out too well in the long run (unless Wrex was killed in ME1) but Shepard doesn't know that when she makes the choice. Though I think the salarians should be worth more war assets than the krogan since the krogan don't have a fleet. So sabotaging the genophage seems perfectly logical to me.

Short-sighted sense, yes. The krogan will find out that the ‘cure’ doesn’t work within a year on the outside. And you’ve just unified them into an army from across the galaxy. That seems…unwise.

Unless you plan to just kill them all off before they figure it out, anyway. I guess I can’t put that past the more…expeditious.

[Arcataye]

I'm sorry...

Modifié par Arcataye, 20 juin 2012 - 10:16 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

lillitheris wrote...

How would you honestly prefer to face the krogan hordes under Urdnot Wreave's leadership? cured or uncured? They might get to war much ealier, but they will also be much easier to defeat wih the genophage intact.

[TMA LIVE]

Considering the endings aren't changing, what are you hoping you'll get from Liara in EC?

[Aristobulus500]

An extension of the "Shepard lives" from destroy - what I want is the chance for Shepard to live and reunite with Liara, in the EC. I want them to get a proper epilogue.

[Akernis]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Considering the endings aren't changing, what are you hoping you'll get from Liara in EC?

If Liara is still stranded on goddess knows where with the Relays destroyed and no hope of rescue I seriously doubt we can get anything that will not make it feel worse. If they won't change the ending no amount of clarification will by able to do anything but twist the knife in the wound.

If I won't be able to reunite with Liara then the EC is not worth a damn.
Even the most emotional scene of her on that goddess forsaken planet or leaving Shepard will only serve to make it seem even cruller. And don't give me that "we will make it clear why she left you" crap either, I am not buying it.

If they won't give a prober ending (or endings) then I think they should concentrate on adding/fixing the content of the game prior to Priority: Earth, I can headcanon the ending, which I probably will do regardless.

... hmm... apparently I am not as optimistic about the EC as I thought, I will hope for the best but don't expect anything. Liara and Mass Effect in general derserves far better than that ending.

Sorry, that is probably the one subject that really gets to me.

Find my happy place.



Ahh, better.

Okay, if the EC technically don't change anything we already have been shown but shows that afterwards that the Normandy had crashed within a standard FTL jump so no relay jump is required and Shepard is alive and quickly finds the Normandy's location due an distress beacon and everyone are rescued as well as Shepard and Liara reunited safe and sound then I might at least acknowledge that it is not a complete disaster since the most important thing is taken care of, but with the relays destroyed and that foul starbrat not remowed from the game and the Reapers no more than cosmic playthings it will still hardly qualify as satisfying.

I am sure that both Sylvia and Ali will do their absolutely best with what they have to work with but very little short of a miracle can save the ending IMO, especially if it won't actually be changed.

Modifié par Akernis, 21 juin 2012 - 12:07 .

[CrazyGreggy]

New fic! Hurrah for holidays that recharge the batteries.

A Strong Right Arm

Comments, feedback, criticism (constructive) all welcome.

[Han Shot First]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Considering the endings aren't changing, what are you hoping you'll get from Liara in EC?

I'd hope to see at least four different epilogues for Liara.

1. Romanced and Shepard is dead.

2. Romanced and Shepard lives.

3. Unromanced and Shepard is dead.

4. Unromanced and Shepard lives.

[Akernis]

CrazyGreggy wrote...

New fic! Hurrah for holidays that recharge the batteries.

A Strong Right Arm

Comments, feedback, criticism (constructive) all welcome.

A nice read

[TMA LIVE]

I'm hoping Liara might give a speech about how much you meant to her at the funeral. That would be a good farewell to me.

[adneate]

TMA LIVE wrote...
Considering the endings aren't changing, what are you hoping you'll get from Liara in EC?

The only ending I care to have expanded on is 4000+ EMS Destroy - Shepard lives, I'm not interested in the two surrender endings and if my only ending of choice is a crappy lie then Vapourization is my canon. Either everyone lives or everyone dies none of this messiah horse crap.

[Yuqi]

The destroy ending Shepard turning out to be the catalyst.

[shepard1038]

Yuqi wrote...

The destroy ending Shepard turning out to be the catalyst.

Thats the control ending.

[shepard1038]

Lizardviking wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

How would you honestly prefer to face the krogan hordes under Urdnot Wreave's leadership? cured or uncured? They might get to war much ealier, but they will also be much easier to defeat wih the genophage intact.

I cured the genophage with Wrex in charge. What do you prefer a grateful ally or a resentful enemie?And after you cured the genophage krogans from all over the planet enlist to fight the reapers and clansthat were enemies become allies and krogan mercenaries return to tuchanka to fight the reapers.The plants that you see on tuchanka are a sign that the krogan are worth saving.

Modifié par shepard1038, 21 juin 2012 - 03:36 .