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[Han Shot First]

Haven't seen this posted yet...

[Aristobulus500]

all it is is a different angle taken using flycam in the sex scene, but it's good at showing off just how...detailed Liara's model is, as always. I can't get over it - it's strange that they put all this effort into her model when normally you see so little of it, you HAVE to use flycam to see how much detail they did.

[PMC65]

adneate wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
Considering the endings aren't changing, what are you hoping you'll get from Liara in EC?

The only ending I care to have expanded on is 4000+ EMS Destroy - Shepard lives, I'm not interested in the two surrender endings and if my only ending of choice is a crappy lie then Vapourization is my canon. Either everyone lives or everyone dies none of this messiah horse crap.

Okay ... adneate that made me laugh. Thanks!

As for me I have zero hopes to be honest ... all I want is for Stupid Shepard to be pulled out of the rubble by the two peeps that were running towards the beam with her!



And if I had seen these two die .... that bottle of whiskey and kleenex would have been used up! Used up, I say!!!!! 

[MidnightRaith]

PMC65 wrote...

Bashing characters ...  

I've stopped regularly going into some threads that I use to love because of that ... Still love the characters but not the more vocal posters on the thread(s). People seem to forget that other posters like more than one character.

And every thread has its weirdness! Yes, a Tali lover may have posted what her sweat might have tasted like but I've seen people here go on about the sexual pleasure spots on the asari. Oh, and debate what melding would really feel like ... in great detail. To an outsider those would seem a little creepy  ... okay, and to some Liara fans as well.

As to Thane, the character was dying in ME2 so his death should not have come as a surprise to be honest. As a non-romanced character I thought his story was perfect for his characters. Now, had a chosen a romance path where my problem would have come in is not him dying ... the problem would be that romanced Shepards weren't given anything really during or after he died. His death was the same for romanced/non-romanced from what I'm told (not sure if true) and no one mentioned him to Shepard after he passed on. I could just imagine a Shepard returning to the ship and no moment to mourn, to have someone approach her and comfort her? Really? Then later she is being told that poor Liara needs comfort? Screw Liara! I lost my partner and not one of you gave a crap! That would have been my problem. 

Why other peeps may not like Liara fans is because of posts like "Well you picked the wrong character to romance" - "LOL! You should have picked Liara!" - "So what if he cheated on you! I didn't get my blue babies!" and on. I've seen some really crappy posts by Liara fans on other threads and it makes the rest of her fans look like creeps as well. There were some jerks on the Miranda thread that went trolling over to the Kaidan thread and after the Miranda fans found out they apologized to the Kaidan fans for the nuthead. That was cool.

Just my 2 cents!

Oh, Moreeman ... Tali? Really? Yuck!

I really don't think Thane had to die at all. Sure, his disease was very tragic and, I suppose, romantic to some people that are into the sad stuff, but there is really no reason for him to have it to begin with. Bioware did not keep up with regenerative medicine at all in regards to Kepral's Syndrome. In essence, it is a degradation of the lungs that would be fixed with a lung transplant until the Hanar finished their cure via genetics which would eliminate the problem entirely. Reading over it again, it sounds like Kepral's simply degrades the lungs to the extent that oxygen deprivation would damage other organs to the point of failure. Getting a tranplant early would eliminate the oxygen deprivation and give you more time to wait for that Hanar cure.

Now, presently, it is not possible to give someone a lung transplant successfully without having to worry about rejection. However, it is looking like it will be in a number of years. The problem is, the heart and lungs are too complicated to build organ "skeletons" for in order to build a new one that would be accepted by the patient since you would be using the patient's own stem cells to recreate their lungs. So, what they're playing around with now, is still taking lungs/hearts from organ donors, but stripping them completely of cells until you're left with the basic organ structure beneath it. Then, you plant the patient's cells on the structure, wait a bit, and voila, new pair of lungs/heart that you won't reject. The problem right now is that the docs can't currently keep the new organs alive long enough to be an effective treatment. Perhaps the problem lies in making them strong enough to withstand the work they'd need to pull for an adult, but in my opinion, I really think they'd iron this process out over the next century. Thane had this illness for quite some time. He'd get even more through this method and if Liara's intel is right, the Hanar aren't so far from their cure that Thane would have to wait decades or anything.

I think this is Bioware falling into the DidNotDoTheResearch trope and perhaps if they heard of this they'd chalk it up to him being an alien or something in hindsight, which really doesn't make any sense. Biologically, he simply did not have to die or have been that far into his illness for it to have been at the point that it was. It was a story element that defies medicine and, pretty much, science fiction and the freedom it gives you to expand and improve on current scientific techniques simply through the passage of time or the fact that this is fiction.

As for Liara fans, I won't deny that we have our own fair share of "bads." However, the bashing I was seeing took place on the Thane thread with nearly all the regulars taking part and no one was actually taking Liara's side at all. I've yet to see that here. Even when we start on bashing, it's at least divided. Some hate whatever character, some like them. Of course, I can't comment on what happened before I turned up, but I was here for when some of us had that argument over Ashley and let's just say, the opinions were varied. Not so with the Thane thread and Liara. Very unattractive to collectively bash a character, but when you start to bring in the fans and labeling them all as a whole, then we really don't have much to say to each other. All fandoms have their bads, but none can or should be defined by them. I know that the Thane fans aren't all Liara haters, or at least I hope so, but I can't say that I'll go back to the Thane thread soon where those particular posters were hanging out....

[PMC65]

MidnightRaith - Character bashing in fan threads is never a good thing. Today I dropped yet another thread from my list as they spend more time now taking cracks at Liara and Miranda. There was a time that other posters would have stopped it but it seems that all of the original posters that I really liked have disappeared from there. Too sad really.

[Aristobulus500]

Thane is actually one of my favorite characters, lmao. So it's really funny to me to hear that Thane-mancers hate me. He was my most used squadmember in ME2, next to Samara and Garrus. He's an awesome character, I loved his missions, and he just seemed overall unique and I like the way he was dealing with Kepral's syndrom and had accepted it. And he has a lot of style and finesse, too.

And it helps that he's basically a lizardman and I ****ing love reptilian characters.

I just don't like him more than Liara, but that doesn't mean I don't think he's awesome.

[d32f123]

MidnightRaith wrote...

As for Liara fans, I won't deny that we have our own fair share of "bads." However, the bashing I was seeing took place on the Thane thread with nearly all the regulars taking part and no one was actually taking Liara's side at all. I've yet to see that here. Even when we start on bashing, it's at least divided. Some hate whatever character, some like them. Of course, I can't comment on what happened before I turned up, but I was here for when some of us had that argument over Ashley and let's just say, the opinions were varied. Not so with the Thane thread and Liara. Very unattractive to collectively bash a character, but when you start to bring in the fans and labeling them all as a whole, then we really don't have much to say to each other. All fandoms have their bads, but none can or should be defined by them. I know that the Thane fans aren't all Liara haters, or at least I hope so, but I can't say that I'll go back to the Thane thread soon where those particular posters were hanging out....

Many a good cow has a bad calf. Hope this is right proverb

[kumquats]

All hope is lost, when Liara fans start their own troll thread for Liara. *facepalm*

[PMC65]

kumquats wrote...

All hope is lost, when Liara fans start their own troll thread for Liara. *facepalm*

I saw that ... I just don't know what to think anymore.

[TheDonk95]

Can someone please direct me to this thread? I just want to see what it's all about...

[lillitheris]

Lizardviking wrote...

How would you honestly prefer to face the krogan hordes under Urdnot Wreave's leadership? cured or uncured? They might get to war much ealier, but they will also be much easier to defeat wih the genophage intact.

I didn’t have that particular problem, fortunately. Still, my solution isn’t absolutely dependent on the Wrex/Wreav decision…the Eve decision, on the other hand…

[Theodoro]

I really hate character bashing without any reason whatsoever or people just looking for an excuse to do it, especially in threads completely irrelevant to said character. It really is difficult for people who are fans of several characters and see bashing of one in the thread of the other.

Me? I stay away from all that and keep my mouth shut, even though I sometimes read those threads to search for a constructive post that is not baseless flaming and trolling, but to no avail. I may have been defensive in the very first Liara threads I saw some time ago, but now haters are repeating themselves like a broken record, refusing to acknowledge any post that does not agree with them or the points that are made in it, and that's a rare occurrence anyway.

Modifié par Theodoro, 21 juin 2012 - 08:14 .

[d32f123]

Theodoro wrote...

I stay away from all that and keep my mouth shut

And this is the right thing to do as for me

[rubynorman]

Going in those threads are very tempting like the dark side of the force. In the end, we got nothing but hatred, disappointment, anger. But I still occasionally reply
Rewatching Liara's tribute videos feels really good

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Kk, enough of the darkside in other threads. Not interested in them. Move along, move along. 

[TheDonk95]

[noxiuniversitas1]

MidnightRaith wrote...
Now, presently, it is not possible to give someone a lung transplant successfully without having to worry about rejection. However, it is looking like it will be in a number of years. The problem is, the heart and lungs are too complicated to build organ "skeletons" for in order to build a new one that would be accepted by the patient since you would be using the patient's own stem cells to recreate their lungs. So, what they're playing around with now, is still taking lungs/hearts from organ donors, but stripping them completely of cells until you're left with the basic organ structure beneath it. Then, you plant the patient's cells on the structure, wait a bit, and voila, new pair of lungs/heart that you won't reject. The problem right now is that the docs can't currently keep the new organs alive long enough to be an effective treatment. Perhaps the problem lies in making them strong enough to withstand the work they'd need to pull for an adult, but in my opinion, I really think they'd iron this process out over the next century. Thane had this illness for quite some time. He'd get even more through this method and if Liara's intel is right, the Hanar aren't so far from their cure that Thane would have to wait decades or anything.

Stem cells therapy is pretty exciting - I mean, just last year we had our first successful "artificial" tracheal transplant. But, there are a lot of pitfalls which, even with 150 years of research, I'm not convinced we'd solve. I mean, we've been trying to cure cancer, HIV etc for decades without much progress; vaccine development is even more depressing. The biggest concern is over cancer development secondary to stem cell implantation. Lung cancer is still the number one killer cancer-wise today; I think stem cells in that area are pretty controversial... especially given the complexity of pulmonary tissue / cellular structure and the propensity for lung cancer to present late, when it is already incurable.

On the plus side... immune modulation is probably a more attainable target - that's reflected in research on-going today. Might not even necessitate a pill a day.

[lillitheris]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Stem cells therapy is pretty exciting - I mean, just last year we had our first successful "artificial" tracheal transplant. But, there are a lot of pitfalls which, even with 150 years of research, I'm not convinced we'd solve. I mean, we've been trying to cure cancer, HIV etc for decades without much progress; vaccine development is even more depressing. The biggest concern is over cancer development secondary to stem cell implantation. Lung cancer is still the number one killer cancer-wise today; I think stem cells in that area are pretty controversial... especially given the complexity of pulmonary tissue / cellular structure and the propensity for lung cancer to present late, when it is already incurable.

On the plus side... immune modulation is probably a more attainable target - that's reflected in research on-going today. Might not even necessitate a pill a day.

I tend to agree on immune modulation… and I think mechanical ‘cleaning’ might end up the cure of choice for most things. Viral infection? Go through the blood and squish all the viruses. Etc. Externally, if need be, although obviously it’ll take longer with cooties hiding in cells and stuff.

I wonder what the state of the art is for things like that, pre-nanite.

[rubynorman]

A question to bump up the thread. Why do young Asari spend their time to be strippers ? It's weird IMO :-/

[d32f123]

rubynorman wrote...

A question to bump up the thread. Why do young Asari spend their time to be strippers ? It's weird IMO :-/

Hey, they have a lot of time anyway. (1000 years)

[TheDonk95]

rubynorman wrote...

A question to bump up the thread. Why do young Asari spend their time to be strippers ? It's weird IMO :-/

Don't have my word on it, but I think it was explained by Liara/other Asari in ME1/ME2....
In their early Maiden stage they are curious and unexperienced, so they seek easy jobs untill they hit the Matron stage...
I'm sure some of the smarter people here will give you a better answer.
But our Liara is special She uses her fine brain not her fine looks.

Modifié par TheDonk95, 21 juin 2012 - 04:42 .

[d32f123]

TheDonk95 wrote...
But our Liara is special She uses her fine brain not her fine looks.

Thanks to Matriarch Benezia and Matriarch... err.... Aethya to my mind.

[rubynorman]

*imagines stripper Liara*

If only they could be singers actors or somethings.
By ~magicalzebra


By StellarStateLogic



EDIT: delete the creepy picture.

Why do some people keep ignoring my posts in the hater's thread. It's the truth and they just keep saying the same things again and again... or picking with the troll posts. <_< 

Modifié par rubynorman, 21 juin 2012 - 05:05 .

[d32f123]

rubynorman wrote...
By StellarStateLogic

This is soo cute :wub:


EDIT: 
Woooah TOP!

Modifié par d32f123, 21 juin 2012 - 05:10 .

[Aristobulus500]

rubynorman wrote...

A question to bump up the thread. Why do young Asari spend their time to be strippers ? It's weird IMO :-/

They don't all do that. Liara didn't do that, and she's definitely not alone - it's just that, well, confirmation bias. Shepard spends a lot of time going by bars and dance clubs and seedier places, so he's just going to run into more Asari that chose to be mercs/strippers. There are, no doubt, plenty of Asari that decide to take other jobs, or go into schooling into a straight career, Shepard just isn't going to locations where he runs into them.

Though I mean, even he still sees things like Asari secretaries/shopkeepers, and there were the Asari scientists that Kai Leng killed. I mean, we don't know the ages of the Asari we see that aren't strippers/mercs, but probably at least a few might still be maidens. And then there are all the Asari civilians you see outside of a job, as well.