It's the douche choice because you wiped out the Geth guys. I thought that was kinda obvious. O.o
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#41777
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 09:18
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danteliveson wrote...
That scene before the beam.........WOW.
Pretty much. Love that one.
I wasn't sure how that was going to play out so the first time I brought Javik and James. I'm glad I went back and tried it later with Liara and Garrus. I don't want to go into details with the spoiler ban still in effect, but it definitely ranks as one of my favorite scenes with Liara in the series.
Speaking of which, has anyone tried the beam rush post-EC with a low EMS? Is the deleted scene that had been making the rounds back in the game?
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#41778
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 09:20
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Logan Cloud wrote...
It's the douche choice because you wiped out the Geth guys. I thought that was kinda obvious. O.o
Already got them killed on Rannoch.
#41779
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 09:21
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I don't want to go into details, but Destroy is no longer quite as douchey in that regard after EC. 
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Posté 26 juin 2012 - 09:22
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danteliveson wrote...
Logan Cloud wrote...
It's the douche choice because you wiped out the Geth guys. I thought that was kinda obvious. O.o
Already got them killed on Rannoch.
Color me crazy, but that's kinda douchey on its own.
#41781
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 09:29
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Han Shot First wrote...
danteliveson wrote...
That scene before the beam.........WOW.
Pretty much. Love that one.
I wasn't sure how that was going to play out so the first time I brought Javik and James. I'm glad I went back and tried it later with Liara and Garrus. I don't want to go into details with the spoiler ban still in effect, but it definitely ranks as one of my favorite scenes with Liara in the series.
Speaking of which, has anyone tried the beam rush post-EC with a low EMS? Is the deleted scene that had been making the rounds back in the game?
Is there a ban for posting spoilers about the EC?
I was going to post a screenshot but...
#41782
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 09:30
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the part before the beam was:crying:
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Posté 26 juin 2012 - 09:31
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I just saw the Extended Cut I were confused at first but I'm more better now. I hope for a DLC with Shepard as his/herself or Reaper Shepard and Liara together. That what a hope for Shepard being with his/her L.I. I want and hope for my Blue Babies.
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#41784
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 09:34
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The EC was good. Much better than the old endings. That's how it should have been from the start. There was just one thing missing. If the ending had gone on for another minute we could have seen a real union between Shepard and Liara. I chose destroy and Shepard survived. The Mass relays are being rebuilt, and Normandy is repaired. So yes, they do meet again and have their blue babies 
#41785
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 09:37
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It's not perfect, but it'll do. I admit to yelling "oh come on" at the wall scene, then realised that mmfmmfmmf didn't know that mmmfmmfmmmfmmf.
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Posté 26 juin 2012 - 09:37
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I picked controlled. Is it possible reaper Shepard and Liara can unite, together?
#41787
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 09:39
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Lizardviking wrote...
Is there a ban for posting spoilers about the EC?
I was going to post a screenshot but...
I think there was sort of an informal agreement to wait 24 hours before posting spoilers in this thread, to give most people an oppurtunity to play it unspoiled. Some of the regulars never venture outside this thread.
2lame4fame wrote...
the part before the beam was ...
Totally. But in a good way.
#41788
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 09:42
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Logan Cloud wrote...
danteliveson wrote...
Logan Cloud wrote...
It's the douche choice because you wiped out the Geth guys. I thought that was kinda obvious. O.o
Already got them killed on Rannoch.
Color me crazy, but that's kinda douchey on its own.
I'm just going to finish my desaster playthrough, of course with Destroy ending to add EDI to the memorial wall, if there is some space left.
Now that's what I call douchy.
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Posté 26 juin 2012 - 09:43
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Theres always Spilers, even on Gamesites and Youtube. I played The Extended Cut before going on which most people should do. I want blue babies and Liara united ina DLC, It should be for all Endings but not teh reject one I don't think. I'm happy with Control, Destroy and well Reject kinda.
#41790
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 09:52
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danteliveson wrote...
That scene before the beam.........WOW.
I can honestly say that this short 20 seconds scene have become one of my favorite all time scene. Really brilliant. Good job Bioware. Also one of the scenes that made me cry the most. (and when I say crying I mean I was CRYING).
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#41791
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 10:03
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SkyeHawk89 wrote...
I picked controlled. Is it possible reaper Shepard and Liara can unite, together?
From what I understood, no. The new catalyst is not Shepard, but based on Shepard.
#41792
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 10:11
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[quote]SkyeHawk89 wrote...
I picked controlled. Is it possible reaper Shepard and Liara can unite, together?[/quote]
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Run Liara, run!
Don't let him turn you into a blueberry smoothie!
I picked controlled. Is it possible reaper Shepard and Liara can unite, together?[/quote]
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Run Liara, run!
Don't let him turn you into a blueberry smoothie!
#41793
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 10:12
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Logan Cloud wrote...
It's the douche choice because you wiped out the Geth guys. I thought that was kinda obvious. O.o
Kinda douchey to believe what the starchild told you. Nothing is obvious.
#41794
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 10:12
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[quote]Han Shot First wrote...
[quote]SkyeHawk89 wrote...
I picked controlled. Is it possible reaper Shepard and Liara can unite, together?[/quote]
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Run Liara, run!
Don't let him turn you into a blueberry smoothie!
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Don't be such a jerk!
The new Catalyst seemed like a decent guy.
[quote]SkyeHawk89 wrote...
I picked controlled. Is it possible reaper Shepard and Liara can unite, together?[/quote]
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Run Liara, run!
Don't let him turn you into a blueberry smoothie!
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Don't be such a jerk!
The new Catalyst seemed like a decent guy.
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#41795
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 10:17
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I love how Shepard becomes a Space Moses when picking Control...
#41796
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 10:18
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Logan Cloud wrote...
It's the douche choice because you wiped out the Geth guys. I thought that was kinda obvious. O.o
The alternatives are no better. Control is just too much power for someone to have, and I don´t even want to think what synthesis entails. The writers pulled a huge No Endor Holocaust on the social level with that one.
I´m rather annoyed at having to kill the synthetics. Synthesis space magic was good enough to turn everything into a fairy tale world (I´m surprised Shep dies considering how favored that ending is...), yet Destroy space magic can´t tell a Reaper from upgraded AIs? Nice writing there.
And Starbrat is now clearly insane from my POV.
#41797
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 10:39
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Originally, they showed the Normandy crashing - without any information whatsoever about location, extent of the damage, etc. They did not show what happened to the relays other than "there was a big bright flash". So, any additional information to fill in the blanks is not, technically, a change.They did, actually. The Normandy isn’t damaged, and the relays don’t get blown up completely.
Sorry, but I don't see that happening. It's just ridiculous with Shepard stopping, calling in the Normandy and pausing for a chat in the middle of frantic rush for the beam at the end? While Harbinger is bombarding them? That's what I meant by "plotholes all the way down"I can honestly say that this short 20 seconds scene have become one of my favorite all time scene. Really brilliant.
#41798
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 10:45
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AlexMBrennan wrote...
Originally, they showed the Normandy crashing - without any information whatsoever about location, extent of the damage, etc. They did not show what happened to the relays other than "there was a big bright flash". So, any additional information to fill in the blanks is not, technically, a change.They did, actually. The Normandy isn’t damaged, and the relays don’t get blown up completely.
Sorry, but I don't see that happening. It's just ridiculous with Shepard stopping, calling in the Normandy and pausing for a chat in the middle of frantic rush for the beam at the end? While Harbinger is bombarding them? That's what I meant by "plotholes all the way down"I can honestly say that this short 20 seconds scene have become one of my favorite all time scene. Really brilliant.
originally they showed the normandy's engines blowing off and the ship dsmaged post-crash. that has now been retconned into simply crashing, which still doesn't explain why it is pristine on take-off. that sequence was very disjointed and illogical (why show the crash at all now?).
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Posté 26 juin 2012 - 10:48
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Well, I've now seen all 4 endings, did them on my NG+ playthrough with ~12k EMS. I resumed from Liara's gift scene and played through to the end, but I made a backup of the AutoSave file at certain points, like before the confrontation with TIM on the Citadel and before the final RGBS choice (S for "Sod off"). That way I could just reload the final choice to see all the endings.
So, my verdict, trying to be as spoiler-free as possible... the new epilogues were actually very well done - if they had been in the original release I'm certain a lot of players could have overlooked how retarded the Catalyst, its logic and the choices were. Together with the expanded Catalyst dialogue the ideas behind control and synthesis now come across a lot more clearly I think, it's easier to understand what they were trying to convey. Heck, I'll admit it - I actually really loved the control epilogue with Shepard talking in her new synthetic voice about sacrificing herself for the future of the many; it actually felt fitting for Shepard.
Also, the game now truly does end on an optimistic note, even if Shepard 'dies'. Just judging by the epilogues I can even see how control and synthesis do seem to turn out better than destroy. And all of the outcomes (except the new one of course) look a lot less grim for the galaxy at large and all the races and planets (and the Normandy) than they did originally.
Buuuuuut... all the polish of the epilogues can't cover the fact that all they're polishing is the turd of the still remaining idiocy of the Catalyst. Yeah, we got some more explanation of himself and the Reapers, but his senseless 'logic' of his imagined problem remains. His introduction, his explanation of the supposed problem and his suggested solutions still clash thematically with what we have experienced and witnessed through the preceding 99% of the series.
And as if the original ending didn't sh*t on the premisses of the previous story enough, the extended one negates ME2's story completely, that part of the trilogy is now completely and utterly negated, defunct, basically de-canonised.
There are also some parts of EC that seem to be kind of half-heartedly duct-taped on, obviously in an effort to address some of the more common objections of the fans - like the scene where Normandy evacs your two companions (though at least we got a nice scene between Shep and Liara with that one), Hackett's order to retreat and how Joker is seen to struggle with it, even the whole 4th ending. These just seem tacked on with minimum effort, like they just wanted to check a few marks on the list of fan objections they took into account.
So basically, the epilogues were nice and touching and they could have worked beautifully in some other game - but not as the ending of ME. The disconnection between everything pre- and everything post-Catalyst is just to glaring, suspension of disbelief irrevocably broken and nothing in EC really addresses that. The new content helps to somewhat alleviate the nihilism of the original ending, but that's about it. Smooth it all you want, a polished turd is still a turd... and it still stinks.
And we didn't even get the reunion I was hoping for...
edit: and of course my ranting gets the top *sigh*. Let's ask Liara if she likes EC:
So, my verdict, trying to be as spoiler-free as possible... the new epilogues were actually very well done - if they had been in the original release I'm certain a lot of players could have overlooked how retarded the Catalyst, its logic and the choices were. Together with the expanded Catalyst dialogue the ideas behind control and synthesis now come across a lot more clearly I think, it's easier to understand what they were trying to convey. Heck, I'll admit it - I actually really loved the control epilogue with Shepard talking in her new synthetic voice about sacrificing herself for the future of the many; it actually felt fitting for Shepard.
Also, the game now truly does end on an optimistic note, even if Shepard 'dies'. Just judging by the epilogues I can even see how control and synthesis do seem to turn out better than destroy. And all of the outcomes (except the new one of course) look a lot less grim for the galaxy at large and all the races and planets (and the Normandy) than they did originally.
Buuuuuut... all the polish of the epilogues can't cover the fact that all they're polishing is the turd of the still remaining idiocy of the Catalyst. Yeah, we got some more explanation of himself and the Reapers, but his senseless 'logic' of his imagined problem remains. His introduction, his explanation of the supposed problem and his suggested solutions still clash thematically with what we have experienced and witnessed through the preceding 99% of the series.
And as if the original ending didn't sh*t on the premisses of the previous story enough, the extended one negates ME2's story completely, that part of the trilogy is now completely and utterly negated, defunct, basically de-canonised.
There are also some parts of EC that seem to be kind of half-heartedly duct-taped on, obviously in an effort to address some of the more common objections of the fans - like the scene where Normandy evacs your two companions (though at least we got a nice scene between Shep and Liara with that one), Hackett's order to retreat and how Joker is seen to struggle with it, even the whole 4th ending. These just seem tacked on with minimum effort, like they just wanted to check a few marks on the list of fan objections they took into account.
So basically, the epilogues were nice and touching and they could have worked beautifully in some other game - but not as the ending of ME. The disconnection between everything pre- and everything post-Catalyst is just to glaring, suspension of disbelief irrevocably broken and nothing in EC really addresses that. The new content helps to somewhat alleviate the nihilism of the original ending, but that's about it. Smooth it all you want, a polished turd is still a turd... and it still stinks.
And we didn't even get the reunion I was hoping for...
edit: and of course my ranting gets the top *sigh*. Let's ask Liara if she likes EC:
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#41800
Posté 26 juin 2012 - 10:49
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Sorry, but I don't see that happening. It's just ridiculous with Shepard stopping, calling in the Normandy and pausing for a chat in the middle of frantic rush for the beam at the end? While Harbinger is bombarding them? That's what I meant by "plotholes all the way down"
You are right, but I can ignore that. That scene is very well done, it is really emotional and sad, and I love it.
Half of the things about the ending doesn't make any sense.
