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[Jebel Krong]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Logan Cloud wrote...

It's the douche choice because you wiped out the Geth guys. I thought that was kinda obvious. O.o

The alternatives are no better. Control is just too much power for someone to have, and I don´t even want to think what synthesis entails. The writers pulled a huge No Endor Holocaust on the social level with that one.

I´m rather annoyed at having to kill the synthetics. Synthesis space magic was good enough to turn everything into a fairy tale world (I´m surprised Shep dies considering how favored that ending is...), yet Destroy space magic can´t tell a Reaper from upgraded AIs? Nice writing there.

agree: you can meld different life forms with energy but you can't tell them apart in another? complete rubbish. if anything it should be easy to target only reapers. never tried control, just seemed stupid.

[DOsquareZER]

Lizardviking wrote...

Don't be such a jerk! 
The new Catalyst seemed like a decent guy.

Im still not inviting him to any birthday parties...<_<

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Lizardviking wrote...

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

I picked controlled. Is it possible reaper Shepard and Liara can unite, together?

From what I understood, no. The new catalyst is not Shepard, but based on Shepard.

Actually ignore this post. I think I misunderstood.

Judging by some of the dialog where Shepard talks about himself as someone else, combine that with the dialog that only Shepard's physical body is destroyed.

I think the point was that Shepard is still Shepard, but also so much more now.

doozer12 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Don't be such a jerk! 
The new Catalyst seemed like a decent guy.

Im still not inviting him to any birthday parties...<_<

Wait to see renegade Catalyst!
[spoiler]
[end spoiler]

"EDIT"

How do I hide lines in a post?

Modifié par Lizardviking, 26 juin 2012 - 11:13 .

[TMA LIVE]

lillitheris wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

As for more positivity... well, the thing is, that Bioware didn't change anything -

They did, actually. The Normandy isn’t damaged, and the relays don’t get blown up completely.

Well, they did, and didn't. The Relays being damage or destroyed depends on the rating. Same with Normandy being stranded, or taking off.

[lillitheris]

^ Still counts:)

[TMA LIVE]

I'm just saying, what was originally in the game, is still there, and can still happen.

[Han Shot First]

The EC was a bit of a face saving move for Bioware. If they did an entire rewrite they were going to get skewered by the critics (and fans of the original ending) who rallied to Bioware's defense early on, just as they were going to be skewered by most of the fanbase if nothing was done about the vanilla endings.
 
They changed or expanded upon just enough elements of the endings to please a lot of the fanbase, while keeping enough of the core elements of the original ending that they can still claim (even if not all together honestly) that their 'artistic integrity' wasn't compromised, and that the EC is the writers' original vision.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

frudi wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Don't be such a jerk! 
The new Catalyst seemed like a decent guy.

I am talking about the control ending where.

SPOILERS:

Shepard becomes the new catalyst. The dialog in the epilogue that is given by Shepard (who now speaks in an awesome robo voice) suggest that Shepard is still Shepard, but has also become so much more than he once was.
And there is the renegade version of control where Shepard litterally says "I will lead an army that no one will dare oppose."

How can't you love this guy?

END SPOILERS:

[Han Shot First]

How are you both getting spoiler tags to work?

Modifié par Han Shot First, 27 juin 2012 - 01:15 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Han Shot First wrote...

How are you both getting spoiler tags to work?

Use "color=#323232" then "/color"

Just replace the " with [ or ]

Modifié par Lizardviking, 27 juin 2012 - 01:18 .

[Han Shot First]

Thanks!

Spoilers ahead...(highlight)


@Frudi

I think your description of the Catalyst (before Shepard usurps him, to be clear) is spot on. He seems to be stuck in a logic error that has him and the Reapers repeating a pattern over and over that they weren't designed for. In the new dialogue when Shepard asks about the Catalyst's origins, he says he was created to monitor and maintain peace in the galaxy between synthetics and organics. At some point he then took it upon himself to turn his creators into Reapers, and notes that they objected to this plan for maintaining 'peace.' He imposed it on them. With that little dialogue exchange he reveals himself as a malfunctioning AI that has gone far beyond the parameters of its programming. I wouldn't necessary say he is evil, since he doesn't seem to be functioning properly. If he were an organic rather than AI you could say that he is mentally ill. 

All hail the Mad King of the Milky Way!  

 

Modifié par Han Shot First, 27 juin 2012 - 01:23 .

[Rikketik]

Frudi wrote...

(though at least we got a nice scene between Shep and Liara with that one)

Possible spoiler below!

I absolutely didn't see that one coming (no sarcasm) and I thought it was a beautiful scene between Shep and Liara. It certainly gave me some closure, so I'm glad they've included it even though you're right about the whole scene looking a bit... tacked on... overall

Edit: Added spoiler warning and color just in case.

Modifié par Rikketik, 27 juin 2012 - 01:25 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

frudi wrote...

Post below.


What made you feel that way? Granted I did go at the line said by renegade Shepard.

On another note I must admit I still prefer control even through its only benefit seems to be reduced to "Not kill Geth and EDI", I prefer the ending speech given by Shepard over EDI or Hackett.

[hoodie_gypsy]

One thing about playing through the EC cut, it definitely brought back a very distinct emotion that I really don't have a word for, other than end-of-mass-effect feeling. It's pretty darn close to bittersweet this time, rather than just bitter.

I chose my original ending but on my way to shoot the tube, I turned around to ... wave ... at the starbrat who was now just a wispy speck way back at the beginning of the ramps and I accidentally got the 4th ending. Jumped the crap out of me.

When the spoiler ban is lifted/ignored, I'll be interested in reading what more of the regulars of this thread thought. I'm a little apprehensive to go check out the rest of the boards today.

[kann.nix9mm]

There is something strange. Why the **** is the Normandy hanging midair in front of Harbi for about half a minute and Harbi isnt doing a damn thing ...

Doesnt make any sense ... srsly

[Obsidian Gryphon]

kann.nix9mm wrote...

There is something strange. Why the **** is the Normandy hanging midair in front of Harbi for about half a minute and Harbi isnt doing a damn thing ...

Doesnt make any sense ... srsly

Was it half a min? Maybe Joker was having an argurment with somebody oboard.

I thought Harpy recognised the Normandy, its eyes were directed upwards but no laser. Maybe it thought Shepard was on board (it still wants to get hold of her maybe?) It looked down and saw one last straggler, zap! And then took off after the Normandy which then proceeded to play tag with it.   

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 27 juin 2012 - 02:25 .

[N172]

What still bothers me is

Spoiler

that they did not expand that breathing scene in any way, I did not expect that they give us a reunion, but as it is its far away from "clarified", still a huge "maybe shepard got rescued before he died from his wounds", that is not clarified!

Modifié par N172, 27 juin 2012 - 02:15 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

N172 wrote...

What still bothers me is

Spoiler

Answer below.

The fact that the LI hesitate to put Shepard's name on the wall and that Shepard breathes really tells that Shepard did survive.

You just have to pay attention to the way the scene was edited. The ending is open in this regard, but it does provide you with an ending that, if you so want it to end this way. Shepard and Liara reunited again.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 27 juin 2012 - 02:19 .

[powerph]

but no blue babies sorry 

Modifié par powerph, 27 juin 2012 - 02:39 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

powerph wrote...

but no blue babies sorry 

Pick a certain ending and that dream is certainly within the realm of possiblity.

Also before I go to bed, a few screenshots.

Spoilers

Spoilers

[Han Shot First]

kann.nix9mm wrote...

There is something strange. Why the **** is the Normandy hanging midair in front of Harbi for about half a minute and Harbi isnt doing a damn thing ...

Doesnt make any sense ... srsly

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I just chalk it up to Harby being distracted by all the tanks, troops, and gunships making a mad dash for the beam. Maybe he saw the Normandy but as it was medevacing wounded, didn't see it as an immediate threat and chose to ignore while focusing on the tanks and troops that were much closer to the beam.

I also don't have a problem with the medevac itself as even in battles like Normandy, or Tarawa, or Iwo Jima, you had landing craft evacuating wounded while the landings were still very much contested. The crew operating the amtracs and landing craft were literally making multiple trips under fire both ways delivering more troops and evacuating the more seriously wounded for the return trip.
 
Of course part of what made those trips possible was the 'safety in numbers' aspect. The enemy could destroy some of them but not all of them. On that note the evac scene would probably have worked better if there were other frigates and fighters making a run against Harbinger as a distraction for the ground force. But all things considered I think the scene still works in that Harby not taking a shot at the Normandy can be explained as him focusing on more immediate threats. (tanks and such near the beam)

Modifié par Han Shot First, 27 juin 2012 - 02:45 .