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[Aristobulus500]

I really, really liked how powerful and emotional the new beam run is, with Liara

Just - how absolutely unwilling Shepard and Liara are to part - the way they hold eachother, the way Liara looks at Shepard - it really shows off a strength of their relationship here. There's so much pure love being shown off in the way they regard eachother here.

I love the visuals on Shep embracing Liara before sending her onto the ship. The dialogue exchange is also really powerful - just the pure expressions of love there. It's just incredibly emotional and very moving.

More than anything, it makes me wish they had shown us a reuniting with them. At the very least, the ending at least *allows* for that, fi you choose Destroy. As you should.

[kumquats]

SPOILER ALERT.

[click me]

Is Liara making a joke?
Let the new speculations begin.

[noxiuniversitas1]

Theodoro wrote...

Well, let me just share my own thoughts about the Extended Cut now that I've had the time to think it through.


I just think it speaks volumes for the bond between Shepard and Liara. This emphasizes that even though Shepard's as good as dead in all three endings (as far as the Normandy crew knows), Liara reacts much differently in Destroy, much more optimistic. It shows that she somehow knows that Shepard's still out there, and that they will reunite soon. For that reason I believe that they definitely have. And even though it is not shown (which I would have loved to), I think it's why I am more satisfied with the ending than I thought I would.

Well said, Theo, but I've already told you that!

And... I've got you covered on the happy ending reunion scene... just have to stop dragging my heels and upload it

[Arcataye]

Theodoro wrote...

It shows that she somehow knows that Shepard's still out there

Yeah, there's notable difference in the way she is in green/blue and red.
And she even lifted her head and smiled a little. They surely have a connection that transcends the physical realm.
"I am yours."

Lizardviking wrote...

I think the point was that Shepard is still Shepard, but also so much more now.

But it speaks about Shepard as if she's someone else. It's just based on Shepard's mind.
The idea of a galactic peacekeeper is quite interesting tho. I already had something like that in mind too.
A new, hostile race, like the rachni are encountered? No worries, call the N7-squids to help.

If there's somethin' strange in your neighborhood.
Who ya gonna call?
The Shepard!

kumquats wrote...

SPOILER ALERT.
[click me]

Is Liara making a joke?
Let the new speculations begin.

I like how there seems to be difference if she's romanced. :happy:

Modifié par Arcataye, 27 juin 2012 - 10:16 .

[CrazyGreggy]

One quick image, spoilerish so link rather than posted.

My Shep and Liara

[Yuqi]

I thought E.C was out early next week... not this week. Oh well.

<spoiler>

I already knew most of what was in the extended cut last week, but the informant did not mention the ships sudden appearence, so that took me off guard.(And said informant found it hilarious.)

So since its up and on the net everywhere now, It's safe to talk about.

I thought the last moments with Liara in the run to the beam was well done. I did notice that the English V.A of Shepard sounded like she was going to cry, in the paragon response. (The only other time she sounded like that was, in the Original Garus LI goodbye scene.)

The Renegade response could have been better.(The one you pick instead of 'I will always love you' )Did the other renegade players pick up on the subtle impilcation when shepard says 'You're in no condition to fight', or was it just me?

</spoiler>

Modifié par Yuqi, 27 juin 2012 - 10:30 .

[MidnightRaith]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I really, really liked how powerful and emotional the new beam run is, with Liara

Just - how absolutely unwilling Shepard and Liara are to part - the way they hold eachother, the way Liara looks at Shepard - it really shows off a strength of their relationship here. There's so much pure love being shown off in the way they regard eachother here.

I love the visuals on Shep embracing Liara before sending her onto the ship. The dialogue exchange is also really powerful - just the pure expressions of love there. It's just incredibly emotional and very moving.

More than anything, it makes me wish they had shown us a reuniting with them. At the very least, the ending at least *allows* for that, fi you choose Destroy. As you should.

Yeah, it's one of the things that make the EC tolerable.

[Arcataye]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I really, really liked how powerful and emotional the new beam run is, with Liara

Just - how absolutely unwilling Shepard and Liara are to part - the way they hold eachother, the way Liara looks at Shepard - it really shows off a strength of their relationship here. There's so much pure love being shown off in the way they regard eachother here.

I love the visuals on Shep embracing Liara before sending her onto the ship. The dialogue exchange is also really powerful - just the pure expressions of love there. It's just incredibly emotional and very moving.

More than anything, it makes me wish they had shown us a reuniting with them. At the very least, the ending at least *allows* for that, fi you choose Destroy. As you should.

It also shows a glimpse of what they could be cabable of doing for a reunion scene, damn. They have some great animators and voice actors etc.

Yuqi wrote...

I did notice that the English V.A of Shepard sounded like she was going to cry, in the paragon response.

Yep, loved it.

Modifié par Arcataye, 27 juin 2012 - 10:46 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Arcataye wrote...

Theodoro wrote...

It shows that she somehow knows that Shepard's still out there

Yeah, there's notable difference in the way she is in green/blue and red.
And she even lifted her head and smiled a little. They surely have a connection that transcends the physical realm.
"I am yours."

Loved that touch they gave the scene in destroy. While I still dislike the idea of there being some sort of actual mystical connection, I love that Liara somehow knows deep down that Shepard is still alive.

http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

Lizardviking wrote...
I think the point was that Shepard is still Shepard, but also so much more now.

But it speaks about Shepard as if she's someone else. It's just based on Shepard's mind.
The idea of a galactic peacekeeper is quite interesting tho. I already had something like that in mind too.
A new, hostile race, like the rachni are encountered? No worries, call the N7-squids to help.

Shepard also says "The man I was". It sounds like Shepard is still Shepard, but as mentioned is so much more that to say that he only is Shepard would be a gross understatement. So Shepard refers to his former life as it was someone else's entirely.

If that make sense.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 27 juin 2012 - 10:50 .

[Tyranniac]

Hello you lot, I know I haven't been around much lately, and to be honest that has been largely because every time I popped in the thread seemed unsusually unpleasant. Just wanted to say that I'm okay with the Extended Cut. It's not great but I can certainly live with it. I like both the Beam goodbye and the fact that Liara seems to know Shepard is alive after Destroy. I also must say they made Control a lot more interesting to me (Although my main Shep will be sticking with Destroy.) It's a shame there's no reunion scene, but due to the way they put the breath scene right after the memorial scene it still works I think.

So, what have I missed? And what is the thread like nowadays?

[Obsidian Gryphon]

kumquats wrote...

SPOILER ALERT.

[click me]

Is Liara making a joke?
Let the new speculations begin.

I saw this yesterday (tis fascinating) but seriously doubt they would implement it in a DLC along with another ending. Which part are you referring to (Liara making a joke?).

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 27 juin 2012 - 11:03 .

[Arcataye]

Hi Tyranniac.

Uh, it's the same as always I guess. Heated discussion sure, but nothing truly unpleasant?

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

Which part are you referring to (Liara making a joke?).

Dialogue lines 4, 5 and 8?

Modifié par Arcataye, 27 juin 2012 - 11:02 .

[AlexMBrennan]

1. Are you serious if bioware wanted they couldn't have done nothing and to say that it should have been implemented in development baffles me. Be grateful that were getting something.

2. The Refusal ending was done because it was asked by the fans.

3. You say that Mass Effect 3 doesn't deserve that name. Yet the consensus from critics and fans is that is a good game. If thats your opinion then fine.

4. Yes the EC has plot holes. But you have to look at the big picture. The relays will eventually be rebuild. The game hints that a Normandy reunion is possible. The Citadels is rebuild, ect...

Are you just going to throw around logical fallacies?

1. Are you serious if bioware wanted they couldn't have done nothing and to say that it should have been implemented in development baffles me. Be grateful that were getting something.

The original ending was very badly done - you couldn't even tell which side had won at the end without reading Casey's twitter statements. That is bad. As a customer, you are legally entitled to a product that is fit for purpose - much like you get to (rightly) complain if your burger is still frozen. With video games, we are in a weird alternative reality where consumer interests don't exist and corporate interests rule. If the replacement product isn't fit for purpose either, then you are still entitled to complain.

Of course, it's debatable to what extent a badly written game is "not fit for purpose" but that's sophistry - it's enough to slap down lawsuits but won't convince "real" people.

2. The Refusal ending was done because it was asked by the fans.

We asked for more ending choices than three palette swapped explosions. We even sent them cupcakes. What we get is "rocks fall, everyone dies" if we don't like any of the three palette swapped explosions.

3. You say that Mass Effect 3 doesn't deserve that name. Yet the consensus from critics and fans is that is a good game. If thats your opinion then fine.

Have you heard of "argument from authority"?

4. Yes the EC has plot holes. But you have to look at the big picture. The relays will eventually be rebuild. The game hints that a Normandy reunion is possible.

What does that have to do with anything? Plotholes are bad writing. That is bad and there is no way you can argue with it.

[MidnightRaith]

My headcanon is that Liara realizes that Shepard is alive through the bond they share. Romanticized, yeah, but in my head, you have a connection to your bondmate from the Joining. Normally, it is very subtle and you don't notice it. But, when the bondmate dies or comes close to it, the asari can feel it sort of.

[kumquats]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

I saw this yesterday but given how the story went, how it could be implemented if they went ahead. Which part are you referring to (Liara making a joke?).

Sentence Nr: 4-6.
I speculate it's Liara, making a joke. *gasp*

Arcataye wrote...

Hi Tyranniac.

Uh, it's the same as always I guess. Heated discussion sure, but nothing truly unpleasant?

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

Which part are you referring to (Liara making a joke?).

Dialogue lines 4, 5 and 8?

Uh wow, Number 8 is very.... saucy.

Modifié par kumquats, 27 juin 2012 - 11:07 .

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Arcataye wrote...

Hi Tyranniac.

Uh, it's the same as always I guess. Heated discussion sure, but nothing truly unpleasant?

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

Which part are you referring to (Liara making a joke?).

Dialogue lines 4, 5 and 8?

4 and 5 can be uttered jokingly.   With a bit of jealousy?

8th though ... more concern than joking.


P.S. Now that the EC is out, do you think it adds replay value to ME 3?

For me. ... Nah, I've had enough.

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 27 juin 2012 - 11:10 .

[Arcataye]

MidnightRaith wrote...

My headcanon is that Liara realizes that Shepard is alive through the bond they share. Romanticized, yeah, but in my head, you have a connection to your bondmate from the Joining. Normally, it is very subtle and you don't notice it. But, when the bondmate dies or comes close to it, the asari can feel it sort of.

Same here.
There's already some freak incidents of that happening between siblings (tho I'm a sceptic), so it's not that far-fetched in the case of an alien species with mind-melding abilities.

[CrazyGreggy]

MidnightRaith wrote...

My headcanon is that Liara realizes that Shepard is alive through the bond they share. Romanticized, yeah, but in my head, you have a connection to your bondmate from the Joining. Normally, it is very subtle and you don't notice it. But, when the bondmate dies or comes close to it, the asari can feel it sort of.

My feeling precisely, hence the smile and will form the basis of any fic I write from a post-ME3 standpoint. That assumes I do write anything, feeling a bit burned out today after 3 months of anger at BioWare. Jury's still out on my SWTOR sub, but leaning toward cancellation anyway.

[TheDonk95]

MidnightRaith wrote...

My headcanon is that Liara realizes that Shepard is alive through the bond they share. Romanticized, yeah, but in my head, you have a connection to your bondmate from the Joining. Normally, it is very subtle and you don't notice it. But, when the bondmate dies or comes close to it, the asari can feel it sort of.

Well it is known that when you are in a very deep relationship with someone that you truly love, you can sometimes feel his presence if he's close to you.
In my head canon Shepard is being found in the ruins of the Citadel about a day after the ending, in a very bad situation, close to death. He is then being brought to a Hospital, and getting very special treatment that supposed to restore him, like a small Lazarus Project. Liara knows within her that Shepard is alive, and after the Normandy takes off and starts traveling in space, Liara tries to contact him, but because of the communication problems in the galaxy after the war, she isn't able to contact him or anyone that knows if he is alive. Eventually, Shepard is restored, Liara finds out, goes to Earth, reunion 
And from then on- Theo's fan fiction

[rubynorman]

Spoiler


I just watched the low EMS destroy ending on youtube. There are many changes and they didn't cut the "deleted scene" this time. I like the difference between high EMS ending and low EMS ending.
spoiler

MidnightRaith wrote...

My headcanon is that Liara realizes
that Shepard is alive through the bond they share. Romanticized, yeah,
but in my head, you have a connection to your bondmate from the Joining.
Normally, it is very subtle and you don't notice it. But, when the
bondmate dies or comes close to it, the asari can feel it sort
of.

I watched Tali, Ashley, Kaidan romance. It seems like every LI know Shepard lives

Modifié par rubynorman, 27 juin 2012 - 11:39 .

[Obsidian Gryphon]

MidnightRaith wrote...

My headcanon is that Liara realizes that Shepard is alive through the bond they share. Romanticized, yeah, but in my head, you have a connection to your bondmate from the Joining. Normally, it is very subtle and you don't notice it. But, when the bondmate dies or comes close to it, the asari can feel it sort of.

I just happened to put this in my fanfic a few days before the EC. I was running with the notion that there's a final stage to the Joining when babies are created. This last stage effectively strengthen the bond to the point that both need not necessarily need to touch to know what the other is thinking / feeling. It's sort of like watching tv with the clarity getting lesser and lesser the farther you're away.

For this to be achieved, the Asari has to be completely sure (trust) of the person she wishes to Join with because her total emotions (totallity/all of herself) would be invested in this potential partner who has to be equally reciprocal, otherwise no true Joining is possible.

So yeah, mental conection bewteen Liara and Shep? Yes.

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 27 juin 2012 - 11:36 .

[kann.nix9mm]

Did you guys notice?
Shepard calls Joker:"Joker we need evac!", Joker."Sry Commander, Im busy.", Shep:"Now Joker." and tadaaaaa the Normandy is there ... Joker must be the god of perfect pilots. He is able to use the ftl inside the planets atmosphere ... impressive

[Obsidian Gryphon]

rubynorman wrote...

Spoiler


I just watched the low EMS destroy ending on youtube. There are many changes and they didn't cut the "deleted scene" this time. I like the difference between high EMS ending and low EMS ending.
spoiler

Can you list some of the changes? Please?

[kumquats]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

rubynorman wrote...

Spoiler


I just watched the low EMS destroy ending on youtube. There are many changes and they didn't cut the "deleted scene" this time. I like the difference between high EMS ending and low EMS ending.
spoiler

Can you list some of the changes? Please?

He's dead, Jim.

[Edit] Just imagine this diagnosis for everyone and everything in this ending.

Modifié par kumquats, 27 juin 2012 - 11:51 .

[Yuqi]

Arcataye wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I really, really liked how powerful and emotional the new beam run is, with Liara

Just - how absolutely unwilling Shepard and Liara are to part - the way they hold eachother, the way Liara looks at Shepard - it really shows off a strength of their relationship here. There's so much pure love being shown off in the way they regard eachother here.

I love the visuals on Shep embracing Liara before sending her onto the ship. The dialogue exchange is also really powerful - just the pure expressions of love there. It's just incredibly emotional and very moving.

More than anything, it makes me wish they had shown us a reuniting with them. At the very least, the ending at least *allows* for that, fi you choose Destroy. As you should.

It also shows a glimpse of what they could be cabable of doing for a reunion scene, damn. They have some great animators and voice actors etc.

Yuqi wrote...

I did notice that the English V.A of Shepard sounded like she was going to cry, in the paragon response.

Yep, loved it.

I wonder if the actor actually did cry. (Can someone ask via twitter?)

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

P.S. Now that the EC is out, do you think it adds replay value to ME 3?

For me. ... Nah, I've had enough.

Hmnn, I've replayed it alot already, but the EC is worth replaying(to get the different endings). I'd stil rather have the DA2 expansion, over the E.C.

PMC will be happy, no blue babies..