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[lillitheris]

Neeh wrote...

Im just baffeld they didn't understand something like this should've been a part of initial release...

I would say they definitely understand that (most of the writers/team, anyway), they just couldn’t do anything about it. Release was 3 months too early

[lillitheris]

CrazyGreggy wrote...

Akernis wrote...
Now I just have to figure out what to do with my story, hopefully I can quickly regain the inspiration to write. 

You and me both mate.

<3

I consider myself very fortunate in that “Unity” more or less works with no changes. I could take into account some of the changes like Hackett ordering a retreat, but I feel the way I handled it works essentially with the same premise. I still prefer my fixes, though

Modifié par lillitheris, 27 juin 2012 - 02:36 .

[Furean]

My brief reaction to the extended cut dlc; "Meh.".

It was neither below nor above the very low expectations I set for it. Though, I liked the Liara scene they gave us, since it has given me something useful for the animation I'm working on.

[noxiuniversitas1]

Hello everyone,

If you're pining for a Shep/Liara reunion, this may help. Lots of happy times, even happier ending. Hope you like it - I waited for the reaction of some of the regulars here before making this post.

Jen

Modifié par noxiuniversitas1, 27 juin 2012 - 02:53 .

[TMA LIVE]

Well, for those that picked Destroy with High Assets, I think the important part is that they make it very clear that your LI and Shepard is going to meet again. Especially with the Normandy taking off. So that's good.

[IndigoWolfe]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Well, for those that picked Destroy with High Assets, I think the important part is that they make it very clear that your LI and Shepard is going to meet again. Especially with the Normandy taking off. So that's good.

Exactly. I did both Destroy and Synthesis with the EC and I liked both.

Unfortunately, in Synthesis, they didn't have a scene at the end of the epilogue where it was reveal that the beam turned Shepard into a bio-synthetic meta human, but that's what fan art is for.

I don't like the shimmer effect on the organic characters, though. Liara should never look like a Twilight vampire.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Hello everyone,

If you're pining for a Shep/Liara reunion, this may help. Lots of happy times, even happier ending. Hope you like it - I waited for the reaction of some of the regulars here before making this post.

Jen

Nice. *quad thumbs up*   I think Miranda didn't survive n my playthrough, didn't see her and Jack in the sldieshow. Otherwise, everyone's accounted for.

[Wulfram]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Well, for those that picked Destroy with High Assets, I think the important part is that they make it very clear that your LI and Shepard is going to meet again. Especially with the Normandy taking off. So that's good.

But since I can't see my Shep picking Destroy, that's not a great comfort for me.

I think the ending was improved, but my headcanon ControlShep had more hope of there being some sort of future with Liara.  Official ControlShep is cool but scary.

(Random celebrating Asari Commando is distracting adorable.  Since my Shepard is dead, maybe Liara should hook up with her)

[TheDonk95]

Wulfram wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Well, for those that picked Destroy with High Assets, I think the important part is that they make it very clear that your LI and Shepard is going to meet again. Especially with the Normandy taking off. So that's good.

But since I can't see my Shep picking Destroy, that's not a great comfort for me.

I think the ending was improved, but my headcanon ControlShep had more hope of there being some sort of future with Liara.  Official ControlShep is cool but scary.

(Random celebrating Asari Commando is distracting adorable.  Since my Shepard is dead, maybe Liara should hook up with her)

*snip*

When I saw this I was just too happy, I like seeing happy Asari chicks.. It makes me happy too

Modifié par TheDonk95, 27 juin 2012 - 03:53 .

[HetmanNG]

Arcataye wrote...

Yeah, there's notable difference in the way she is in green/blue and red.
And she even lifted her head and smiled a little. They surely have a connection that transcends the physical realm.
"I am yours."

oho Ashley and Taylor too if they are LI. A bit of inconsistency here

[rubynorman]

Ah yes, that jumping asari commando is so adorable. I smiled when I saw her. And the rising sun in that scene is so beautiful, it is full of hope for a new future.
I also love the picture that shows Samara and her daughter on Thessia.

[Arcataye]

HetmanNG wrote...

Arcataye wrote...

Yeah, there's notable difference in the way she is in green/blue and red.
And she even lifted her head and smiled a little. They surely have a connection that transcends the physical realm.
"I am yours."

oho Ashley and Taylor too if they are LI. A bit of inconsistency here

I know.
Just let me enjoy the idea of them having some kind of an bondmate connection. <_<

[lillitheris]

Wulfram wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Well, for those that picked Destroy with High Assets, I think the important part is that they make it very clear that your LI and Shepard is going to meet again. Especially with the Normandy taking off. So that's good.

But since I can't see my Shep picking Destroy, that's not a great comfort for me.

I think the ending was improved, but my headcanon ControlShep had more hope of there being some sort of future with Liara.  Official ControlShep is cool but scary.

That’s the sacrifice you make. I have to say, though, that for Liara…I think ShepardAI might be worse than NoShepardAnymore from Synthesis. Shepard but not really, and less and less human by the day.

Edit: although of course you can just as well headcanon it as really being Shepard, just consciousness-transferred.

Edit2: even though “Unity” actually does describe a connection, I think high-Destroy is just faith in Savior of the Galaxy not getting killed by silly things like that. It’s almost nicer that way…

Modifié par lillitheris, 27 juin 2012 - 04:50 .

[sharkboy421]

I know its been said but I wanted to comment how much I enjoyed the extra scene with Liara.  I teared up again when I saw it.  The raw emotion was just wonderful.

And now a very brief analogy I just came up with for my feelings on the EC.  I am a huge fan of the Washington Captials of the NHL.  This past season they had a new, very defensively minded head coach.  Now his system was good, and its a proven winning formula in hockey.  The problem was most of the Caps best players, including Alex Ovechkin, are offensive players.  Ovie and the rest played the new defense and were good at it but were not living up to their full potential because they are not defensive players.  Ovie is at his shooting the puck not blocking it.

For me, the EC was a pretty good ending, just like a defensive system is pretty good in the NHL.  But the EC just does not feel right with ME just as it does not feel right for Ovie to be playing defense.  Its workable, but it just doesn't click the way the endings in ME1 and ME2 did.

[Theodoro]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Hello everyone,

If you're pining for a Shep/Liara reunion, this may help. Lots of happy times, even happier ending. Hope you like it - I waited for the reaction of some of the regulars here before making this post.

Jen

This indeed helped a lot, Jen, thank you so much for writing it - the whole story was a thing of beauty. I want this as a part of the epilogue scenes in Destroy like it should have been! Also, incredible work with writing from Liara's PoV, that's definitely not an easy thing to do.

[Han Shot First]

I seem to be in the minority amongst Liara fans, but I actually like the EC endings.
 
I'm still shocked I'm even saying that, as I absolutely hated the original endings and once spent some time on temp ban for being a little over zealous in bashing Bioware, after it circled the wagons with the 'artistic integrity' defense of the horrid endings in the shipped product. I was disappointed with the original EC announcement and had little expectation of actually liking something that was advertised as merely clarifying the existing endings, rather than altering them.

But to my suprise it actually addressed most of my major issues with the original endings. My biggest complaints and how I thought they were resolved:



1. Thematic inconsistency: The 'synthetics cannot peacefully coexist with organics' angle introduced in the last five minutes of the game by a seemingly a omnipotent character (lots of god symbolism used with Star Child), ran completely counter to the theme explored by the writers over the course of five years and three games, including most of Mass Effect 3.

I thought the EC resolved this is in giving some exposition about the Catalyst's origins, that revealed him to be nothing more than a malfunctioning AI that had rebelled against it's own creators. This turned the Star Child into an unreliable narrator whose justification for the extinction cycles (and prediction of a future apcocalyptic conflict between synthetics and organics in the Destroy Ending) can now be taken with a heavy dose of salt.




2. Galactic Dark Age: Despite claims to the contrary after all the criticism, Bioware seemed to be angling for that in the original endings. The Stargazer dialogue combined with the fact that the Mass Relays were destroyed, seemed to suggest an era where galactic civilization had collapsed and the individual factions were cut off from each other for eons. In fact in the script the stargazer scene is supposed to take place 10,000(!) years after the events of ME3.

The EC resolved this by removing any mention of the Mass Relays being destroyed. Now they are merely damaged, and in every ending narraration we are told that the galaxy rebuilds. The stargazer scene remains and now seems to make little sense with the relays being damaged rather than destroyed, but all things considered I think that is a minor issue. I can write that off as just as tribute to space exploration, or maybe an isolated colony that was cut off from the rest of the galaxy and forgotten.




3. Lack of closure: The original endings had the Normandy stranded in the garden of Eden, presumably for all time. We were given no indication that they ever escaped the planet, and there was some speculation that the stargazer's planet and the one the Normandy was stranded on were one and the same. With the 'Shepard lives' ending, we were left to wonder if anyone would rescue him or her or whether he or she would see the crew and LI again. There was also the issue of how Shepard could survive if the Citadel was completely destroyed.

I thought the EC esolved this by now having a scene of the repaired Normandy lifting off from the planet, and the memorial scene aboard the Normandy has the LI hesitating to put Shepard's name plate on the wall, and then smiling. While we don't see a reunion it is implied by both having the Normandy escape and by showing that the LI suspects Shepard may still be alive. That worked for me as, I think head canon and fanfic can better address how the reunion plays out. We also see that the Citadel is merely damaged (though severely) rather than destroyed, and is being rebuilt. 

If I had any complaint at all it would be that perhaps the breath scene could have been a couple seconds longer, with light from an Omni tool on flashlight mode briefly sweeping over Shepard after he or she takes that breath. But all things considered it is a minor complaint.




4. Grim Dark: The original endings seemed far too bleak, to the point that you came away from it without feeling like Shepard pulled off a great victory. Sure organic life may have been saved but the galactic civilization you've been exploring and getting attached to over the course of three games, was not.

All the EC ending narrations are now a lot more emotionally satisfying, and provide the sense of accomplishment that was missing in the shipped endings. Even the Destroy ending which requires losing EDI and the Geth as collateral damage, is hopeful. In explaining the consequences of how the Crucible will affect all synthetics, the Star Brat notes that anything that is destroyed can be rebuilt by the survivors. This leaves open the possibility of Geth 2.0 and EDI 2.0.




5. Plot Holes: Ok, some of these still remain. But just like with the endings of Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 (which also contained significant plot holes) I'm able to overlook it because overall I found the endings to be a fun ride and an appropriate end to the game. The plot holes were also always less important to me on my list of complaints with the endings in the shipped product, than thematic inconsistencies,  lack of closure, and the overall depresssing tone.

[HetmanNG]

Arcataye wrote...

HetmanNG wrote...

Arcataye wrote...

Yeah, there's notable difference in the way she is in green/blue and red.
And she even lifted her head and smiled a little. They surely have a connection that transcends the physical realm.
"I am yours."

oho Ashley and Taylor too if they are LI. A bit of inconsistency here

I know.
Just let me enjoy the idea of them having some kind of an bondmate connection. <_<

Sorry, for me too is very good idea but I just wanted little scene with Liara and Shep reunion on the end.

[lillitheris]

Han Shot First wrote...

I seem to be in the minority amongst Liara fans, but I actually like the EC endings.

They were OK for me. Basically what it should have been to begin with. I elaborated in a post, it’s in the sig.

[TheDonk95]

On the contrary Han, I think most people here do like the EC, including me.
And good points you made there.

[Theodoro]

@Han Shot First:

You're not alone, HSF, I agree completely with what you said. I too am more or less satisfied with how things unfolded in the EC, and I agree with how it actually addresses most of the issues that we had as you laid them out in a organized manner. Here is what I myself thought of the EC if you want to read it.

And I don't want to speak for anyone else, but I think that most Liara fans also enjoyed the EC and thought it brought closure.

Modifié par Theodoro, 27 juin 2012 - 04:59 .

[CrazyGreggy]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Hello everyone,

If you're pining for a Shep/Liara reunion, this may help. Lots of happy times, even happier ending. Hope you like it - I waited for the reaction of some of the regulars here before making this post.

Jen

Yeah, just did mine to try to force myself to establish a headcanon. Thanks for sharing your vision of it.

Here's my own Rescue, Reunion and Rewards

[Tyranniac]

Han Shot First wrote...

I seem to be in the minority amongst Liara fans, but I actually...

...in the shipped product, than thematic inconsistencies,  lack of closure, and the overall depresssing tone.

I agree with all you said. :happy:

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Han Shot First wrote...

I seem to be in the minority amongst Liara fans, but I actually like the EC endings.

I like the EC ending as well, and had this been the original ending it would still be a flawed ending, but one I could atleast respect in the sense that it was not sloopy and stupid. As it is. I think my disstate for the original endings have soured my view somewhat and I do not like the EC as much as I would have had it been there from the start.

"EDIT"

I hope its okay now to post spoiler screenshots.

http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

That was one of the most saddest things I had to endure in a work of fiction.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 27 juin 2012 - 05:09 .

[noxiuniversitas1]

Theodoro wrote...

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Hello everyone,

If you're pining for a Shep/Liara reunion, this may help. Lots of happy times, even happier ending. Hope you like it - I waited for the reaction of some of the regulars here before making this post.

Jen

This indeed helped a lot, Jen, thank you so much for writing it - the whole story was a thing of beauty. I want this as a part of the epilogue scenes in Destroy like it should have been! Also, incredible work with writing from Liara's PoV, that's definitely not an easy thing to do.

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

Nice. *quad thumbs up*  
I think Miranda didn't survive n my playthrough, didn't see her and
Jack in the sldieshow. Otherwise, everyone's accounted for.

Thanks, Theo and ObsG, glad you enjoyed it

Modifié par noxiuniversitas1, 27 juin 2012 - 05:19 .