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noxiuniversitas1

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CrazyGreggy wrote...

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Hello everyone,

If you're pining for a Shep/Liara reunion, this may help. Lots of happy times, even happier ending. Hope you like it - I waited for the reaction of some of the regulars here before making this post.

Jen :)


Yeah, just did mine to try to force myself to establish a headcanon. Thanks for sharing your vision of it.

Here's my own Rescue, Reunion and Rewards


Ahahaha the John Radcliffe? How did that come to you, out of curiosity? Just 'cause... I actually work there :P

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noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Ahahaha the John Radcliffe? How did that come to you, out of curiosity? Just 'cause... I actually work there :P


Grr, was trying to avoid that. I looked at the burning patches of the UK as the reapers left the battle and worked out that the Thames Valley didn't look so bad. So I just googled "hospitals oxfordshire" and that was the 3rd or 4th link and the first with a single hospital name.

Wanted rural, seemed like a good fit.

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frudi wrote...

Well, I've slept on it, I've thought about it, I've read plenty of comments on it... and I'm left pretty torn about it.

I do appreciate that Bioware went to the trouble of releasing EC, it does improve on a few things and most importantly it does explicitly show that the galaxy recovers, might even end up a better place in the end. The new epilogues are emotionally a lot more satisfying than the original ending, dare I say even uplifting, and I understand that that is enough for a lot of players to be able to overlook the numerous things that are still wrong with the ending. I can't really blame anyone for that, after over three months of anger, pessimism and apathy any gleamer of catharsis and emotional satisfaction is more than welcome.


Day two for me too, and I think my true feelings have settled. I think I'm one of the people who are choosing to overlook the remaining problems. Regarding Mass Effect, I feel like I've been holding my breath for months, waiting to see what really happened. The answers I was given trump the overall wrongness of the ending. I am aware that this is me taking a "White Fang" approach. There was a line in the book that I remember reading as a kid about White Fang perciving not getting a beating as kindness, not knowing what true kindess really was - it was just not getting your skull cracked. In realitly, the overall ending to the series wasn't good, but I will now see it that way because I didn't get another punch in the ****** from Bioware.

Heck, I even felt better after Jessica tweeted the words "nobody starves" so it wasn't going to take much to make me at least content.

frudi wrote...

So where does this all leave me... in a way I've realised that EC actually did bring me a great deal of closure; but it is not closure with regards to Shepard's story, instead it's closure for my relationship with Mass Effect. It's like ME had gone missing back in March and after months of anguish over what had happened to it Bioware have finally called me to tell me they had found the body. Not really the kind of closure I think Bioware were aiming for. The ME franchise is dead to me now, I think I can finally accept that and move on. I'll stick with fanfics and headcanon, but since yesterday I've lost every bit of desire to replay any of the games; even ME3 MP which I really enjoyed before has lost all its appeal. Maybe if they come out with some DLC with good Liara content I might check that out.
Well, maybe I'll get over this and come back to it someday... maybe.


I hope that you are able get over it, because your love of the series is obviously geunine. You've gotten to know the characters, paid close attention to the story, and you're a contributing member of the fanbase. Even your comment about fanfics and determining your own headcannon shows how much you care about these games.

So maybe Bioware didn't call you to tell you they found the body. Maybe they called to tell you that Mass Effect was badly hurt and while it was touch-and-go for a while, it is now in a stable coma. So you should probably go home and rest for now, for your own sake. They will call you if there's any changes. 

Modifié par hoodie_gypsy, 27 juin 2012 - 05:29 .


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CrazyGreggy wrote...

Grr, was trying to avoid that. I looked at the burning patches of the UK as the reapers left the battle and worked out that the Thames Valley didn't look so bad. So I just googled "hospitals oxfordshire" and that was the 3rd or 4th link and the first with a single hospital name.

Wanted rural, seemed like a good fit.


lol, rural the JR most certainly is not. It's probably one of the biggest tertiary referral centres in the UK. ;) Incidentally, until about '09, we did get a lot of the war wounded... but that's switched to Bristol, AFAIK

Modifié par noxiuniversitas1, 27 juin 2012 - 05:28 .


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noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

CrazyGreggy wrote...

Grr, was trying to avoid that. I looked at the burning patches of the UK as the reapers left the battle and worked out that the Thames Valley didn't look so bad. So I just googled "hospitals oxfordshire" and that was the 3rd or 4th link and the first with a single hospital name.

Wanted rural, seemed like a good fit.


lol, rural the JR most certainly is not. It's probably one of the biggest tertiary referral centres in the UK. ;) Incidentally, until about '09, we did get a lot of the war wounded... but that's switched to Bristol, AFAIK


Well, maybe after 50 years of off-world emigration it will be :P

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I just read Lillitheris & Theo's thoughts on the EC, and found myself nodding in agreement to most of it. You both also hit on something that I didn't address in my post, which is the new "I refuse to play your game' ending. That was totally unexpected but not unwelcome. Although I would have loved to have a High EMS 'win' version of that as well, I do like that the option is there for Shepard to refuse to go along with the Catalyst. It also serves to debunk any speculation that Shepard is indoctrinated in the end sequence. Oh, and of course I love that Liara ends up saving the galaxy in that ending. Image IPB


Aristobulus500 wrote...


And finally - Liara/Shepard and these final scenes. First of all, a question - how does this play out if you didn't romance Liara? It can drastically alter my approval of these scenes, but I'm going to write this post assuming it actually recognizes a romance and plays out differently if you didn't romance her. So just let me know if it actually isn't different at all, and I can change my line of thinking here.



While I haven't seen the unromanced Liara version yet, I'd bet on there being slightly different dialogue. The first time through the EC I brought Javik and Vega along on the beam rush, because I thought they might add back in the sequence where both squadmates get killed. I was pleasantly suprised to see that there was also an option where they'd both get seriously wounded, but survive. The first time through it was Javik that was the more seriously wounded, and it played out something like this:

Javik: I won't stay behind! I can still fight, Commander!

Shepard: Don't argue with me Javik! No matter how this ends I need to know that someone survived.

I may not be remembering the dialogue exactly right, but that was more or less how it played out. I'm sure Liara must have similar dialogue, and hopefully someone will upload a vid to youtube. I'm also curious to see how that scene plays out with low EMS. Do the squadmates die, and if they do is there now a cutscene of it? Or does it play out like it does in the original ending, where we just see their bodies but not their actual deaths?

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CrazyGreggy wrote...

Well, maybe after 50 years of off-world emigration it will be :P


Eh, seeing as it's part of Oxford University Hospitals, and the Uni's been going since 1096.. ;)

ANYWAY... back to Liara

Image IPB
http://kitao-chan.de...Liara-291402519

Because I don't have any EC shots and this one is timeless..

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Lizardviking wrote...

I hope its okay now to post spoiler screenshots.

*snip*

That was one of the most saddest things I had to endure in a work of fiction. :crying:


:crying:

However, my Liara refused to place Shepard's name on the memorial, and appeared hopeful/convinced that her lover was alive out there somewhere. I'm happy. :)

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@Han Shot First:

Yeah, similarly to the deleted scene, we actually see the squad members die in a low EMS scenario: here, for example.

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S3Plan wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I hope its okay now to post spoiler screenshots.

*snip*

That was one of the most saddest things I had to endure in a work of fiction. :crying:


:crying:

However, my Liara refused to place Shepard's name on the memorial, and appeared hopeful/convinced that her lover was alive out there somewhere. I'm happy. :)

:wub:
Image IPB

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S3Plan wrote...
:crying:

However, my Liara refused to place Shepard's name on the memorial, and appeared hopeful/convinced that her lover was alive out there somewhere. I'm happy. :)


Same with mine. While no actual reunion was shown, it was implied that they would find each other. The conversation before the evac was heart tugging there. 

I'd say I'm happy with the EC. They addressed many of my issues with it, and while there wasn't one scene I was looking for, they left enough for a happy headcanon ending that I can make because of the way the ending played out, rather than having to disregard it because of how terrible it ended.

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CrazyGreggy wrote...

Here's my own Rescue, Reunion and Rewards


Good stuff!

These help while my reunion is still a while away :)

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Han Shot First wrote...

I seem to be in the minority amongst Liara fans, but I actually like the EC endings.
 



The EC is certainly not perfect, but I like it too. It clears up what needed to be, and has allowed me to enjoy Mass Effect again!

We got two beautiful Liara scenes, the epilogue was well done IMO (I like the cheering asari commandos on Thessia as well ^_^) and while we get no reunion scene, at least it is implied that it can happen in the destroy ending.

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Theodoro wrote...

@Han Shot First:

Yeah, similarly to the deleted scene, we actually see the squad members die in a low EMS scenario: here, for example.


Thanks! Man, that was rough.



We got two beautiful Liara scenes, the epilogue was well done IMO (I like the cheering asari commandos on Thessia as well ) and while we get no reunion scene, at least it is implied that it can happen in the destroy ending.


The scene with Liara as one of the survivors is now among my favorites in the series. I also love that it ends with, "I am yours" rather than just dropping the L-bomb again. Somehow that gave the scene more emotional impact for me.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 27 juin 2012 - 05:46 .


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Theodoro wrote...

@Han Shot First:

Yeah, similarly to the deleted scene, we actually see the squad members die in a low EMS scenario: here, for example.

:crying::crying::crying:
*cries in a corner*

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Not from the EC, but one of my favorite screenshots of Liara:



Image IPB




I'd totally make that my avatar if I played ME and DA on the PC.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 27 juin 2012 - 05:49 .


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 Damnit i told you guys not to post spoilers and you should know by know not to explode the thread....

Oh well keep posting I'll just be here reading and holding my own opinions until i get home.  Stupid EA booted me from their servers right after i finished downloading the EC yesterday and i wasn't able to get back on until about an hour ago, and then i had to go to work *grumbles something about spoilers, wonky internet, and EA*:P

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Han Shot First wrote...
The scene with Liara as one of the survivors is now among my favorites in the series. I also love that it ends with, "I am yours" rather than just dropping the L-bomb again. Somehow that gave the scene more emotional impact for me.


Likewise. By that point, Liara has already explicitly used the term "love" twice beforehand. A third time would therefore lack emotional significance, which is why I prefer the "I am yours" line for that scene. As you said, it has far greater impact than another declaration of love.

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S3Plan wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I hope its okay now to post spoiler screenshots.

*snip*

That was one of the most saddest things I had to endure in a work of fiction. :crying:


:crying:

However, my Liara refused to place Shepard's name on the memorial, and appeared hopeful/convinced that her lover was alive out there somewhere. I'm happy. :)


What really tears me up in the "Shepard dead" version is how she closes her eyes as she places Shepard's name on the wall. That was really painful. :(

One thing I like in the EC is that it does not try to demonize destroy, after seeing the red ending on youtube I am actually tempted to switch from blue to red.

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S3Plan wrote...

Likewise. By that point, Liara has already explicitly used the term "love" twice beforehand. A third time would therefore lack emotional significance, which is why I prefer the "I am yours" line for that scene. As you said, it has far greater impact than another declaration of love.


On my first playthroughs of content, I keep subtitles off. She says it so softly that I had no idea what she said. I had a little freak out because I had to keep going forward without knowing what she said to Shepard.

"Don't die."?
"Stealing your hoodie."??
"Come find me."?
"Something something blue children."?!

It was a little agonizing to tell the truth and I was pretty distracted. Mr. Shields almost got me.

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hoodie_gypsy wrote...

On my first playthroughs of content, I keep subtitles off. She says it so softly that I had no idea what she said. I had a little freak out because I had to keep going forward without knowing what she said to Shepard.

"Don't die."?
"Stealing your hoodie."??
"Come find me."?
"Something something blue children."?!

It was a little agonizing to tell the truth and I was pretty distracted. Mr. Shields almost got me.


It was "Can I have your stuff?".

No really, don't touch that subtitle button, you can trust me :devil:

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hoodie_gypsy wrote...

S3Plan wrote...

Likewise. By that point, Liara has already explicitly used the term "love" twice beforehand. A third time would therefore lack emotional significance, which is why I prefer the "I am yours" line for that scene. As you said, it has far greater impact than another declaration of love.


On my first playthroughs of content, I keep subtitles off. She says it so softly that I had no idea what she said. I had a little freak out because I had to keep going forward without knowing what she said to Shepard.

"Don't die."?
"Stealing your hoodie."??

"Come find me."?
"Something something blue children."?!

It was a little agonizing to tell the truth and I was pretty distracted. Mr. Shields almost got me.

Liara will find Shepard while she is wearing SHepards hoodie.

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CrazyGreggy wrote...

It was "Can I have your stuff?".


Ohhhh! Ok, thanks! I was really leaning towards "I'll feed your fish!" but you cleared that up for me!


Mr.House wrote...

Liara will find Shepard while she is wearing SHepards hoodie.


I'd pay many dollars for such a thing.

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CrazyGreggy wrote...

hoodie_gypsy wrote...

On my first playthroughs of content, I keep subtitles off. She says it so softly that I had no idea what she said. I had a little freak out because I had to keep going forward without knowing what she said to Shepard.

"Don't die."?
"Stealing your hoodie."??
"Come find me."?
"Something something blue children."?!

It was a little agonizing to tell the truth and I was pretty distracted. Mr. Shields almost got me.


It was "Can I have your stuff?".

No really, don't touch that subtitle button, you can trust me :devil:


Okay, you look trustworthy, so I'll believe you. :P

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Systemlord Baal wrote...

CrazyGreggy wrote...

hoodie_gypsy wrote...

On my first playthroughs of content, I keep subtitles off. She says it so softly that I had no idea what she said. I had a little freak out because I had to keep going forward without knowing what she said to Shepard.

"Don't die."?
"Stealing your hoodie."??
"Come find me."?
"Something something blue children."?!

It was a little agonizing to tell the truth and I was pretty distracted. Mr. Shields almost got me.


It was "Can I have your stuff?".

No really, don't touch that subtitle button, you can trust me :devil:


Okay, you look trustworthy, so I'll believe you. :P


No it was: "If you die, I'm hooking up with Traynor..."