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[DevilBeast]

kumquats wrote..
Correct, it's from the codex, but... if anyone uploads EDI's files into a new blue box, wouldn't that make this new AI, somehow EDI's child?

Hmmm... Maybe or maybe it will be her clone.. Who knows..

[GreenFlag]

kann.nix9mm wrote...

Yeah ... with low EMS you get the killing scene, with high the evac scene ...

But I thinking about evac scene.
Someone can say: "Why Harb doesn't shot to Normandy, it's no sense."
And I actually say: "It doesn't matter, but from my point of view Harb is too busy to shotting on Makos and soldiers."

[Theodoro]

Mike Canary wrote...

 So I made a music video for Liara and Shepard, covering the whole Mass Effect series, and including scenes from the Extended Cut. I figured I'd share it with you guys here. The accompanying song is "Cosmic Love" by Florence +The Machine

I'd love to hear comments and just continue discussing what is probably the coolest romance in video games! 

Mass Effect 3 "Cosmic Love", a Liara/Shepard Music Video

Wow, this is one of the best Shepard and Liara tributes I've seen on YouTube. Very well synched to the music. Excellent job, I loved it!

[noxiuniversitas1]

kann.nix9mm wrote...

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But where did she get those injuries? Bevor the mako scene she was perfectly fine. And the mako didnt even touch her, didnt even touch the other sqaudmate. And so much blood isnt going to leak out in seconds without her loosing councis ... ****, hwo do you write that? ... or dying. It doesnt make any sense ...

It's hard to know what's going on; I'd rather appreciate the power of the scene than hypothesize over the reality of the situation.

But... if you really want a medically-valid explanation of why she could appear fine one moment and unfit for duty the next, they are legion. To name a few:

Head injuries, particular epidural haemorrhages, are notorious for giving you near-completely lucid intervals with full functionality (up to 8 hours), before a rapid loss of consciousness. Trauma can knick any number of great vessels or internal organs, causing a "sentinel" bleed. This is followed by a period of complete normalcy, before a catastrophic haemorrhage. Equally, trauma can cause internal organs to fistulate to great vessels (aorta to GI tract, for example), causing massive haemorrhage and circulatory collapse without any obvious external injury save the initial wound.

So yeah - Liara being gravely-wounded is very plausible. Injuries need not be immediately obvious or dramatic to be life-threatening.

[GreenFlag]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

kann.nix9mm wrote...

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But where did she get those injuries? Bevor the mako scene she was perfectly fine. And the mako didnt even touch her, didnt even touch the other sqaudmate. And so much blood isnt going to leak out in seconds without her loosing councis ... ****, hwo do you write that? ... or dying. It doesnt make any sense ...

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So yeah - Liara being gravely-wounded is very plausible. Injuries need not be immediately obvious or dramatic to be life-threatening.

a lot of blood on her body and face prove it

[Han Shot First]

kann.nix9mm wrote...

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But where did she get those injuries? Bevor the mako scene she was perfectly fine. And the mako didnt even touch her, didnt even touch the other sqaudmate. And so much blood isnt going to leak out in seconds without her loosing councis ... ****, hwo do you write that? ... or dying. It doesnt make any sense ...

She and the other squadmate were in close proximity to the impact of one of Harbinger's shots. That was more than enough to injure her without being struck directly by the flying Mako. The wound(s) would have been caused by shrapnel kicked up either from the ground or from the destroyed Mako, or both.

You don't actually have to be caught in an explosive blast to be killed or wounded by it. As an example, the fatality radius of a grenade is 5 meters. Anyone caught within 5 meters of a grenade without cover would be killed by the blast alone. It has an additional injury radius of 15 meters however. People within that 15 meter injury radius would be safe from the blast itself but in danger of being killed or wounded by grenade fragments, or wood and rock debris kicked up from the ground and propelled at high speeds.

Also, while Liara has serious wounds and lost a lot of blood it isn't necessarily unrealistic for her to have stayed concious.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 28 juin 2012 - 02:54 .

[AnnikaShepard]

TheDonk95 wrote...

AnnikaShepard wrote...

 I know you've been talking about this all the time but I just have to write this anyway.

The evacuation scene with Liara is so emotional that it made me cry. So beautiful, sad, so honest. I had to stop the game and just cry for a while. The look on her face...
I thought nothing could be sadder than that until the last scene at the memorial wall was played. Then I just cried my eyes out. For me destroying the Reapers is the one and only option, so Liara being really sad at first and then the ''Shepard is still alive somewhere'' -look really brought up feelings. Absolutely beautiful.
Thanks Bioware for fixing the endings.

I hear you bro. I cried the first three times I watched that scene, and I still tear everytime I do, or even seeing Liara's sad expressions in that scene. I cry alot of times in video games/books/movies/ real life. I'm an emotiona guy.

And thanks for trying to cheer me up, Jen, but I can't help it

I've been really sad past two days now, thanks to Liara's expressions even though I really liked the ending.
I cried a little when Anderson died and when Thane died as well, but the new scenes with the EC: no words to describe the emotional pain. I miss Liara so much.

I'm an emotional gal.

[noxiuniversitas1]

GreenFlag wrote...

a lot of blood on her body and face prove it

I'm sorry, I'm afraid I'm not sure what you are asking... are you asking that I prove why she has so much blood on her body and face?

[kumquats]

kann.nix9mm wrote...

Why should she be dead? I can accept her body is dead, okey. But her body is only an avatar. She said this herself. Her body can only function with the Normandy in range because her real self is still inside the Normandys core or bluebox ...

Because I don't think that anyone would put EDI on the memorial wall, with everyone who died, just because the EVA body got destroyed.

[Theodoro]

Boy, it sure is a popular topic around here to tear the Normandy evacuation scene apart as much as one can. Liara was either injured by the force of impact of the Mako which nearly crushed her or from the explosion that followed.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

kumquats wrote...

kann.nix9mm wrote...

Why should she be dead? I can accept her body is dead, okey. But her body is only an avatar. She said this herself. Her body can only function with the Normandy in range because her real self is still inside the Normandys core or bluebox ...

Because I don't think that anyone would put EDI on the memorial wall, with everyone who died, just because the EVA body got destroyed.

I think the destroy wave would kill EDI as a whole, not just her body.

[Han Shot First]

Mike Canary wrote...

 So I made a music video for Liara and Shepard, covering the whole Mass Effect series, and including scenes from the Extended Cut. I figured I'd share it with you guys here. The accompanying song is "Cosmic Love" by Florence +The Machine

I'd love to hear comments and just continue discussing what is probably the coolest romance in video games! 

Mass Effect 3 "Cosmic Love", a Liara/Shepard Music Video

That was very well done! I especially like that you used Sheploo and the Destroy ending, since that matches up perfectly with my Shep.

[gisle]

kumquats wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

True, I think the codex even talks
about how an A.I. would lose its "self" if transfered from one blue box
to the next. So, EDI as we know is most likely dead.

I´m sorry EDI that I had to sacrifice you along with the geth. You guys are the real heroes[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]

Correct, it's from the codex, but... if anyone uploads EDI's files into a new blue box, wouldn't that make this new AI, somehow EDI's child?

From Codex / Technology / Computers: Artificial Intelligence (AI)
"An AI cannot be transmitted across a communication channel or computer
network. Without its blue box, an AI is no more than data files. Loading
these files into a new blue box will create a new personality, as
variations in the quantum hardware and runtime results create
unpredictable variations."

Edit: sorry, misread your post... It would likely have been at the state when EDI was first booted up, possibly with all the accumulated data stored in whatever passes for a hard drive in 2186.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 28 juin 2012 - 03:13 .

[Han Shot First]

On EDI & the Red Ending...

I think EDI and the Geth are definitely 'dead,' but the EC Red Ending leaves a little bit hope that they can be rebuilt. When Shepard asks the Catalyst for clarification on how the Crucible will affect synthetics, he is told that anything that is destroyed can potentially be rebuilt by organics. The EC Red Ending is a little more hopeful than the original cut, in that it leaves open the possibility of EDI 2.0 and Geth 2.0.

This also jives with in game lore IMO, since EDI was destroyed once before and rebuilt, and she retained at least some memories from her time on Luna.

Of course if EDI is brought back post-ME3 I think it is debatable whether it would be EDI as we remembered her, or would some experiences and memories be lost, altering who she is as a 'person?' Then again, Shepard has the same internal debate about who he is post-Lazarus.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 28 juin 2012 - 03:20 .

[Akernis]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

GreenFlag wrote...

a lot of blood on her body and face prove it

I'm sorry, I'm afraid I'm not sure what you are asking... are you asking that I prove why she has so much blood on her body and face?

I belive that it should be "proves", and he/she says that the blood on her body and face proves that Liara is injured.

Theodoro wrote...

Boy, it sure is a popular topic around here to tear the Normandy evacuation scene apart as much as one can. Liara was either injured by the force of impact of the Mako which nearly crushed her or from the explosion that followed.

Which is a shame since it is such an amazing scene.

Mike Canary wrote...

 So I made a music video for Liara and Shepard, covering the whole Mass Effect series, and including scenes from the Extended Cut. I figured I'd share it with you guys here. The accompanying song is "Cosmic Love" by Florence +The Machine

I'd love to hear comments and just continue discussing what is probably the coolest romance in video games! 

Mass Effect 3 "Cosmic Love", a Liara/Shepard Music Video

That was phenomenal, probably one of the best I have seen

Theodoro wrote...

I think I found one of my most favorite pictures of Liara ever.

That is a beautiful picture of her, she looks fantastic here

Modifié par Akernis, 28 juin 2012 - 03:32 .

[Robhuzz]

Han Shot First wrote...

On EDI & the Red Ending...

I think EDI and the Geth are definitely 'dead,' but the EC Red Ending leaves a little bit hope that they can be rebuilt. When Shepard asks the Catalyst for clarification on how the Crucible will affect synthetics, he is told that anything that is destroyed can potentially be rebuilt by organics. The EC Red Ending is a little more hopeful than the original cut, in that it leaves open the possibility of EDI 2.0 and Geth 2.0.

This also jives with in game lore IMO, since EDI was destroyed once before and rebuilt, and she retained at least some memories from her time on Luna.

Of course if EDI is brought back post-ME3 I think it is debatable whether it would be EDI as we remembered her, or would some experiences and memories be lost, altering who she is as a 'person?' Then again, Shepard has the same internal debate about who he is post-Lazarus.

It's a bit weird to think about it, because in order to destroy an AI's personality one has to either destroy the quantum blue box that it's stored on, delete the data on it, or simply change a bit of the data on it. If the red beam did any of that (which I highly doubt) then any other storage device in the entire milky way galaxy was also made non functional.

[kumquats]

frudi wrote...

I wouldn't take EDI's name being on the memorial as 100% reliable proof she's non-functional (her own expression). They also put up Anderson's name and were going to put up Shepard's as well (and did put it up in non-destroy), without really knowing either of them were for sure dead.

EDI is not only on the wall, she gets a cutscene like Legion, Mordin and Thane. Those scenes are for the player and the message is load and clear.
BUT, this is the ending for now, DLCs may change that again. So I'm not saying it 100% for all times, but at the moment it's more then clear, that the DEV wanted the player to know, that EDI died. Not just the body.

[Han Shot First]

Robhuzz wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

On EDI & the Red Ending...

I think EDI and the Geth are definitely 'dead,' but the EC Red Ending leaves a little bit hope that they can be rebuilt. When Shepard asks the Catalyst for clarification on how the Crucible will affect synthetics, he is told that anything that is destroyed can potentially be rebuilt by organics. The EC Red Ending is a little more hopeful than the original cut, in that it leaves open the possibility of EDI 2.0 and Geth 2.0.

This also jives with in game lore IMO, since EDI was destroyed once before and rebuilt, and she retained at least some memories from her time on Luna.

Of course if EDI is brought back post-ME3 I think it is debatable whether it would be EDI as we remembered her, or would some experiences and memories be lost, altering who she is as a 'person?' Then again, Shepard has the same internal debate about who he is post-Lazarus.

It's a bit weird to think about it, because in order to destroy an AI's personality one has to either destroy the quantum blue box that it's stored on, delete the data on it, or simply change a bit of the data on it. If the red beam did any of that (which I highly doubt) then any other storage device in the entire milky way galaxy was also made non functional.

Pretty much.

It obviously renders her non-functional (dead) in some way, but the damage couldn't have been that extensive or every computer in the Milky Way should have fried. I think that a galactic dark age was the original intention of the wrtiers despite claims to the contrary, but they've now backtracked and the damage is much less extensive.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

frudi wrote...

kumquats wrote...

frudi wrote...

I wouldn't take EDI's name being on the memorial as 100% reliable proof she's non-functional (her own expression). They also put up Anderson's name and were going to put up Shepard's as well (and did put it up in non-destroy), without really knowing either of them were for sure dead.

EDI is not only on the wall, she gets a cutscene like Legion, Mordin and Thane. Those scenes are for the player and the message is load and clear.
BUT, this is the ending for now, DLCs may change that again. So I'm not saying it 100% for all times, but at the moment it's more then clear, that the DEV wanted the player to know, that EDI died. Not just the body.

But those flashbacks are metatextual information, they're not part of the narrative itself; they are meant to evoke emotions and influence the players interpretation, even suggest the writers' intent, but they are not definitive and unambiguous in their meaning.
And I can go even more meta on you and remind you that what we're shown in the flashback is actually only EDI's chassis

Before sticking EDI's name on the wall. Don't you think the crew would have checked in the AI room if she is still alive? Or tried to ask her?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

frudi wrote...
Well, she is obviously non-responsive and her chassis is disabled; to the crew she certainly appears to be non-functional, but that doesn't necessarily mean she is or that she can't eventually be reactivated.
All I'm trying to say is that, at least by my interpretation, EDI's fate is not 100% sealed and is still left to players' interpretation.

Don't you think they would have tried to repair her (or maybe they did not have the tools)?

I think sticking EDI's name on the wall and showing her in the montage of those that died is a clear message that EDI is gone, and there is no coming back for her.

"EDIT"

Topless, how embarrassing. Give me a second.

http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

Modifié par Lizardviking, 28 juin 2012 - 04:12 .

[noxiuniversitas1]

Gaaaah too little blue. Anyway, think the first reunion pieces are beginning to surface...


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