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[Ulathar]

S3Plan wrote...

I love this.

*snip*

link

It made me grin like an idiot. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]

^ That is full of win xD

Modifié par Systemlord Baal, 30 juin 2012 - 06:51 .

[DOsquareZER]

adneate wrote...

I came up there to accept the Reaper's unconditional surrender, not to offer the surrender of the galaxy and if I don't get my surrender I've got a big goddamn bomb to set off.

*paints large white letters in WWII memorabilia fashion that read: "Reap This!" and "Cthulhu B-Gone" on the sides of the crucible*
A'ight.  Let's blow this thing.

Modifié par doozer12, 30 juin 2012 - 06:53 .

[MidnightRaith]

S3Plan wrote...

I love this.

*snip*
It made me grin like an idiot. :happy:

That is adorable. The kid is cute and her teddy bear reminds me of my teddy bear, Robert. I don't know, I always think it's weird to see the kids in fanart holding stuffed animals that are people. Like the hanar or krogan. That would be like me going to bed with a teddy bear version of, say, a WWE wrestler. It's odd. I like an actual teddy bear or perhaps even a guess at some animals on Thessia that the asari model their stuffed toys off of.

Modifié par MidnightRaith, 30 juin 2012 - 06:55 .

[noxiuniversitas1]

S3Plan wrote...

I love this.



link

It made me grin like an idiot. :happy:

I was literally about to post this!

Re: ending choices... it's pretty clear it's gonna be an "agree to disagree" thing... much like whether or not Liara could fall for a renegade Shep... what?!

Modifié par noxiuniversitas1, 30 juin 2012 - 07:06 .

[lillitheris]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...


Re: ending choices... it's pretty clear it's gonna be an "agree to disagree" thing... much like whether or not Liara could fall for a renegade Shep... what?!

No! There are objective facts at play. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts!

But the pictures were good. That Wrex/Baaawwwwwby is and old one, I think, did it just come up on some tumblr or something?

[CrazyGreggy]

As far as Reject goes, it's a bollocks ending that fits perfectly....as a shining example of the godawful writing that leaked out of the collective Walters/Hudson orifice.

Here's the blueprints that have been tweaked, nudged, noodled with and modified by the races of countless cycles, an archaeological techno-chinese whispers if you will. The only realistic outcome of building the damn thing is "press the button and see what it does". So you get to the Crucible chamber and find that there's actually THREE buttons, but none of them are going to do what you wanted them to. Well maybe you should've designed and built your own damn doomsday device, say the writers. Oh wait, you couldn't cos we didn't give you that choice.

So you take your "wtf does this do" machine, and you choose blue/green/red. It makes perfect sense from within the confines of the moronic way they ditched Drew's original idea that had been trailed in ME2 and tried to kitbash together something that they could shoehorn starbrat into.

gg no re.

[MidnightRaith]

frudi wrote...

Well, I don't see Reject as Shepard consciously condemning the entire galaxy to gruesome death. As I said before, from her perspective, there is still hope the Reapers can be stopped. And how many of you saved the Destiny Ascension in ME1, knowing that doing so increases the chances of Sovereign succeeding? How many destroyed the Collector base, knowing the tech there could be invaluable to stopping the Reapers? There was as much at stake in those decisions as when choosing to reject the Catalyst.

And there is one crucial factor, one that I haven't even properly considered before my previous post. We now know that the Catalyst controls the Reapers, we know that he's an AI and that he resides on the Citadel. This knowledge is a complete game-changer! There is now no need to take on the Reapers themselves, the Catalyst is their Achilles' heel; we only have to get to him - destroy him, hack him, reprogramme him, whatever. There's our unconventional victory right there.

I disagree about those choices being as heavy as deciding the fate of the entire galaxy. The Council can and does get replaced and the Collector base was never touted as something that could hold the answers to the Reapers destruction. It would give us an advantage, but I suspected that advantage would be minimal at best and I destroyed it. Turns out I was right anyway come ME3. Rather have blown it sky high than let TIM have it.... However, the ending choices are too critical to take the chance that the fleet can miraculously destroy the Reapers. Shepard should know that the risk may just be too high or just not pay out at all, as it turns out to be.

I don't see how you can sabotage the Starchild. No one is coming up that beam after Shepard, I don't think. We don't have any heavy weapons with us, only a pistol and Shepard may not be an engineer or infiltrator so no tech skill to hack the Brat if that's even possible. Then, there's the matter of Shepard being horribly wounded already and may not have the lucidness required to hack the Starkid.

[noxiuniversitas1]

lillitheris wrote...

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...
Re: ending choices... it's pretty clear it's gonna be an "agree to disagree" thing... much like whether or not Liara could fall for a renegade Shep... what?!

No! There are objective facts at play. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts!

That's kind of my point, though. BW have given us something, which, by their own admission, is intended to evoke "lots of speculation from everybody". People are naturally diverse, with their own interpretations / opinions on what has been shown. *shrug*, no point trying to convince other people that a certain ending is a paragon / renegade one - it's interesting to hear others viewpoints, sure, but you're never going to achieve consensus.

Edit: to clarify, by ^ I meant that people may / may not decide that it is / is not the right choice based on their interpretation of the material presented. To each his / her own.

Modifié par noxiuniversitas1, 30 juin 2012 - 07:20 .

[lillitheris]

frudi wrote...

Well, I don't see Reject as Shepard consciously condemning the entire galaxy to gruesome death. As I said before, from her perspective, there is still hope the Reapers can be stopped.

It will still kill billions or trillions. Even if you win. There’s a good chance you’re killing Liara and everyone else with that decision.

And there is one crucial factor, one that I mentioned but haven't really properly considered before my previous post. We now know that the Catalyst controls the Reapers, we know that he's an AI and that he resides on the Citadel. This knowledge is a complete game-changer! There is now no need to take on the Reapers themselves, the Catalyst is their Achilles' heel; we only have to get to him - destroy him, hack him, reprogramme him, whatever. There's our unconventional victory right there.

…There’s really no proof for this assertion. Interesting idea, but it’s far from concrete. For all we know, the Reapers might keep doing exactly what they are doing now.

Modifié par lillitheris, 30 juin 2012 - 07:22 .

[MidnightRaith]

CrazyGreggy wrote...

As far as Reject goes, it's a bollocks ending that fits perfectly....as a shining example of the godawful writing that leaked out of the collective Walters/Hudson orifice.

Here's the blueprints that have been tweaked, nudged, noodled with and modified by the races of countless cycles, an archaeological techno-chinese whispers if you will. The only realistic outcome of building the damn thing is "press the button and see what it does". So you get to the Crucible chamber and find that there's actually THREE buttons, but none of them are going to do what you wanted them to. Well maybe you should've designed and built your own damn doomsday device, say the writers. Oh wait, you couldn't cos we didn't give you that choice.

So you take your "wtf does this do" machine, and you choose blue/green/red. It makes perfect sense from within the confines of the moronic way they ditched Drew's original idea that had been trailed in ME2 and tried to kitbash together something that they could shoehorn starbrat into.

gg no re.

Drew's ending wasn't all that great either, to be honest. "Dark Energy is destroying the galaxy! We must stop it, and in order to do that, we have left technology behind that actively uses large amounts of DE and worsens the problem so you can evolve in ways we can anticipate!" <_< Yeaaaah.... Okay, Drew, how is that supposed to work?

[The Lightspeaker]

Been keeping an eye on here past few hours to see if anything good would come up but theres just more of rehashing this argument.

I've managed to get over my fit of misery and reason away why reject is a terrible option. Now I'm leaving this thread for a while in case I see something else to trigger me off again. Bye for now.

[Arcataye]

coatsworth wrote...

What Would Liara Do?

Hmm I wonder if there's any weird AU fanfic of Liara choosing Control and about how she goes around being a Reaper overlord? Would be creepy and kind of hard to write I'd imagine.

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Except for, you know, all the other times we defeated Reapers conventionally.
Oh and the time a worm with no technology at all to aid it defeated a Reaper.

We just need more of those turian ships that can shoot off their legs with one shot.
-
I liked that there was finally the reaper-win ending that they promised before release and to see Liara's memory capsule have some actual use, but I wanted that ending to be heavily affected by EMS. Well that's what I wanted from all the endings. :happy:

Modifié par Arcataye, 30 juin 2012 - 07:36 .

[CrazyGreggy]

frudi wrote...

From a role-playing perspective, you're risking the lives of the entire galaxy for your naive paragon ideals. It's not about the council at all, those ships we throw at the Geth to save Destiny Ascension might be crucial to stopping Sovereign in time, before he opens the relay and all the Reapers from dark space come flooding in. And it's similar with the Collector base - there are mountains of information and technology in there, even the remains of a new Reaper; there's no guarantee we'll find the key to defeating the Reapers in there, but there is a chance, a chance you're again throwing away for nothing more than your ideals.

Actually, I'd say ignoring the DA and letting it burn is counter to what you've just learned from Vigil. The first thing the Reapers did on pouncing through the Citadel Relay last time was decapitate the Prothean leadership. You let the DA go kablooie, you're letting history repeat itself. What you SHOULD do is save the DA and tell them to remote-wipe any population databases, tactical and strategic information caches etc while taking on Sovereign because as far as you know you may NOT stop Sovereign opening the relay and the war might just start 10 minutes from now.

As far as the Collector base goes, you're not handing that thing over to the Alliance or the Council, you're handing it to CERBERUS. Totally different thing. Now if you could call in the Fifth Fleet instead, just like you can hand the info over to the Alliance in that random captured Cerberus agent sidemission, then I'd say yes, save it. But hand it over to TIM, eff that.

[adneate]

frudi wrote...
And how many of you saved the Destiny Ascension in ME1, knowing that doing so increases the chances of Sovereign succeeding? How many destroyed the Collector base, knowing the tech there could be invaluable to stopping the Reapers?

My problem with those two is there are very good logical reasons to do them, Vigil says the Reapers target the leaders of a cycle first. I remember when I heard that even though I hated the council I suddenly reassed their value, they were valuable as familiar leaders of the galaxy. Decapitating the entire power structure of Citadel space could have dire consequences, ones so severe as to make it impossible to defeat the Reapers under any circumstances. Regardless of how many more Alliance ships get blown up.

The Collector base always seemed pointless to save, it's manufacturing methods were so alien to us that we'd never be able to reverse engineer anything useful in a reasonable amount of time. It would like giving the Ancient Romans an AK-47 plant and expecting them to be able to stamp metal and manufactuer bullets then know what do with all these things and to use these weapons effectively so they can defeat the modern US Army. It could never be as useful as people think it could be, it was really only useful to TIM so he could ensure the dominance of Cerberus over everyone else by having this secret cache of things to pick apart for decades or centuries.

In the case of the crucible it's a one shot deal and even if it's a trap or it does nothing it's worth trying to detonate the thing. Since there are no other options at that point, no hope of getting that many ships together ever again, if the thing was a trap you fell for it as soon as the fleet jumped through the relay and engaged the Reapers. Facing a superior force head on is a bad move tactically since you tend to get killed by them.

At that point there is literally nothing to lose by at least trying to detonate it.

[DOsquareZER]

Galaxy needs symbols/icons - sacrificing the council means killing three of them and dealing with a bitter, angry, reluctant alien populace afterwards who will view your choice as selfishly racist - because well look how highly humans are viewed in ME1 - sacrificing the council is a headache in the making - and sacrifices order/cooperation of 3 races instead of just humanity for the future.
Collector base is an issue. I leaned towards keeping it at first but the illusive man doesn't strike me as the right man to give it to, and we're simply not ready to handle that kind of tech responsibly - his ruthless morals are going to be trouble and the amount of times we pissed each other off in ME2... heh no, it's a headache waiting to happen and oh look at that ME3 - he is.
*runs to liara* take it take it take it! *keeps running from TIM after throwing the collector base at Liara*

Modifié par doozer12, 30 juin 2012 - 09:12 .

[noxiuniversitas1]

Go write / draw!

Modifié par noxiuniversitas1, 30 juin 2012 - 07:53 .

[DOsquareZER]

AIght back to Liara for the upcoming 1700 page.
Top 10 Liara quotes so far (or related to, comic book references are accepted) and favorite screenshot (from any of the three games). Begin!

Modifié par doozer12, 30 juin 2012 - 07:53 .

[noxiuniversitas1]

Oooooh game...





Edit: took the easy way out. Gotta say, LotSB has some of the best Liara quotes...

Shep: what kind of guns does this thing have?
Liara: It's a taxi! It has a fare meter!

ME1:

Liara: who votes to take the vehicle into the creepy underground tunnel?

Modifié par noxiuniversitas1, 30 juin 2012 - 08:03 .

[CrazyGreggy]

doozer12 wrote...

AIght back to Liara for the upcoming 1700 page.
Top 10 Liara quotes so far (or related to, comic book references are accepted) and favorite screenshot (from any of the three games). Begin!

Tadaa?

[Arcataye]

Happy page 1700.

Modifié par Arcataye, 30 juin 2012 - 08:00 .

[TheDonk95]

Favrite line by Liara? (and for the record, probably from the entire series?)
"It would be easy to a single ship to get lost up there, wouldn't it?"
"To find someplace very far away where you can spend the rest of your life in peace and happines".
The feeling I have when I hear these words...

Favorite picture? (Edit) I'll post my top favorite, because there isn't really a 'most favorite' one, I love all of them.








Woohoo page 1700!

Modifié par TheDonk95, 30 juin 2012 - 08:13 .