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MidnightRaith

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frudi wrote...

You're using meta-gaming knowledge about the consequences of those two choices (saving the DA and destroying the Collector base). Even just the fact that this was the first/second game in the trilogy is enough to conclude that the ultimate fate of the galaxy is not going to rest on these decisions.

From a role-playing perspective, you're risking the lives of the entire galaxy for your naive paragon ideals. It's not about the council at all, those ships we throw at the Geth to save Destiny Ascension might be crucial to stopping Sovereign in time, before he opens the relay and all the Reapers from dark space come flooding in. And it's similar with the Collector base - there are mountains of information and technology in there, even the remains of a new Reaper; there's no guarantee we'll find the key to defeating the Reapers in there, but there is a chance, a chance you're again throwing away for nothing more than your ideals.


It's not about meta-gaming or supposedly naive ideals at all. There are very logical reasons to chose the Paragon choices in both aspects. The Council is the head of the galaxy, losing them will be a blow to the populace no matter how idiotic they were. They are the ones you have dealt with throughout this ordeal and it could pay off that saving them will prove what you were saying to them all along and they could potentially back you up when you need it. Which turned out to not be true, but regardless the potential for resources was there. Having a brand new Council ran the risk of them not knowing the full scope of what happened. Reading reports on the Saren/Sovereign/Geth invasion is not the same as living it. Then, as others have said, you are essentially doing the Reaper's work for them by taking the chance of sacrificing them in favor of going after Sovereign. We don't know if we will succeed against him at all and by giving the Council the chance to flee insures that the galaxy at least has leadership if the Reapers get through.

As for the Collector base, putting it into Cerberus's hands is not in the galaxy's best interest. TIM was very clear about how he was going to use the resources given to him and I believe it would be best to ensure that he cannot benefit from it at all. Stopping the Reapers is all well and good, but if you do that and give Cerberus valuable information and resources, they could just shoot you in the back while you're recovering from the initial threat. Cases can be made for both options without knowing the outcomes for them.

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Happy 1700 pages!

'This is, isn't it?'
'I spent two years mourning you. So if we're going to try this, I need to know you'
re always coming back.'

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I'll refrain from quoting, since I'm answering multiple people making similar arguments and formatting could get confusing quickly...


@adneate, @MidnightRaith @CrazyGreggy:
The council doesn't matter one damn bit. The ONLY concern is stopping Sovereign - if he succeeds in opening the relay, it's game over. If thousands of Reapers come flooding through in 10 minutes then three indecisive politicians are already irrelevant to the fate of the galaxy.

And regarding the Collector base - the Turians managed to reverse-engineer Reaper weapons into the Thanix design in months and the Crucible project managed to adapt the Reaper power source without problem, so the argument that the technology in the base is too advanced to make sense of really doesn't hold up. The fact is, Shepard blew up the base without ANY idea what she may be destroying, there could have been technology there that could save a trillion lives! But her ideals were more important...
As for giving the base to Cerberus - for one thing, she could have also informed the Alliance of the base's existence and provided them with the IFF to get through the Omega-4 relay safely. And even if she left it to Cerberus - at that point she had no idea TIM was intending to control the Reapers. For all she knew his goal was also to destroy them. But she destroyed a possible treasure trove of technology, because she didn't want the 'wrong' organisation to beat the Reapers. How stupidly idealistic is that?


I'll post a bunch of Liara pics later for the 1700th and to apologise for the Reject spam :)

edit: pic spam (and I don't care if someone already posts these same ones while I edit this post :)

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Reposting favorite images, eh? Alright. Any excuse to repost some of these.

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HumanGrotesque is great at these.

#42481
noxiuniversitas1

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Oh because it's the future and all...

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Oh, what comes after a proposal and marriage?

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#42482
Pineappletree

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*Comes in*

:wizard: Happy 1700! :wizard:

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*Vanishes again behind the next corner*

Modifié par FdL_Ananas, 30 juin 2012 - 08:21 .


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Just a few quotes:
I am not sure what is worst. The geth, or all that sand in my .... nevermind.
So tell me what you want. If this all ends tomorrow, what happens to us?
Goddess.... You were dead.
All those little blue children will be disappointed I didn't have a speech.

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'How long is this gonna take?'
'I don't know, Shepard! I've never broken into the Shadow Broker's base before. Well, not this one, anyway!'

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Happy 1700th page!
I haven't done with this but since I can't use my laptop to finish it. Posting it anyway.

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Pinkflu

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Happy 1700!

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'I believe you made it clear that I was, as you humans say, taken.'

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d'aww pink you almost beat me to my favorite screenshot! *grins* Initiating backups.  Happy 1700.
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The whole conversation outside the door leading into the SB base was pretty classic to me.  In no partiocular favortist order, quotes! :

"I couldn't let you go..." ME2 Reunion.
"Ok, looking down was clearly a mistake"  LotSB
"What? No!  I didn't mean to...etc etc" Teasing her, second convo ME1
"I thought my people were supposed to be the cautious ones, Shepard..." ME1 response to renegade romance.
"Who votes we take the mako into the creepy underground tunnel" ME1 Ilos
"You're not leaving me behind" Extended Cut
Ash/Kaidan: "Don't forget to RTFM ma'am."    Liara: "To what?"  Noveria initiating self destruct
"Watch Me!"  When responding to Javiks comments when facing the atlas in salarian base.
"I spent two years mourning you...etc etc" LotSB Cabin
"What is with everyone assuming we like being put in harms way"  ME1 Feros.  (i havnt played it in awhile, but quote is something like that)
"Wait... Shepard did what!?"  Joker informing her of how often shepard cut of the council a few times in ME3.
"I love you... Show me" ROMANCE!
And pretty much any moment my shep can get her to chuckle is a good one.

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@rubynorman
Sorry, feel I have to pad the love it post in honour of 1700... :wizard: GIF SPAM!!!!! :wizard:

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noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

@rubynorman

Sorry, feel I have to pad the love it post in honour of 1700



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Dat walk.

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Theodoro wrote...
'I spent two years mourning you. So if we're going to try this, I need to know you'[/i]re always coming back.'

I love that line.

Beyond that some of my favourite lines from Liara:

"I love you Shepard"

"Shepard, I... I am yours"

"Because I couldn't let you go"

"Asari sometimes exchange them with close friends... or their bondmates"
"Joking? By the goddess how could I be so dense? you must think I am a complete and utter fool" (no I don't Image IPB)

My favourite lines to Liara:

"You mean everything to me Liara, you always will"

"I love you too Liara"

"I don't know, marriage, old age and a lot of little blue children?"

"You were incredible"

"Everytime the world is about to end I think about how mad you would get if I didn't stop it, I don't know if I could do this without you Liara"

Beyond that the entire Cabin, timcapsule and pre-chronos station romance conversations are fantastic as a whole.

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Barquiel

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YAY, 1700 :)

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"What? No! I did not mean to insinuate-- Ah, I never meant to offend you, Shepard. I only meant that you would be an interesting specimen for in-depth study. No-- that's even worse!"

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'I have never been more sure of anything in my life. Will you join with me, Shepard? Let our bodies and minds unite.'

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Akernis

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Pinkflu wrote...
'I have never been more sure of anything in my life. Will you join with me, Shepard? Let our bodies and minds unite.'

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'They're semi-flexible, cartilage-based scalp crests that grow into shape. And they don't flop around.'

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"You're alive again. I've got everything I want"
"I knew it was really you the first time I touched you again"

@Jen thanks for all the gifs but I'm using my phone, I can't see the animation >.<

One of my favorite moment

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frudi wrote...

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frudi wrote...

Well, I don't see Reject as Shepard consciously condemning the entire galaxy to gruesome death. As I said before, from her perspective, there is still hope the Reapers can be stopped.


It will still kill billions or trillions. Even if you win. There’s a good chance you’re killing Liara and everyone else with that decision.

And I was killing billions every time I got sidetracked for a few weeks …


I wasn’t.

I don't know how many Geth are left after the war with Quarians, presumably still billions. I don't thing it is any more immoral to risk getting even a much higher number of organics killed than to outright kill all those Geth ourselves.


It is. Many > few, but like I said…Destroy is only one of your options. A true, selfless Paragon would likely pick Control. It’s just that Reject is even worse. With respect, I don’t think you’re thinking about the implications realistically.



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1700 cheers!
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Not sure if this picture already has been posted recently, but ah well. It's still one of my favourite Mass Effect-related fanart pictures out there. (:

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lillitheris wrote...

frudi wrote...

And I was killing billions every time I got sidetracked for a few weeks …


I wasn’t.

Really? So you ignored most N7 missions and fetch quests? Good for you. I did them all and the time I wasted on them sadly must have cost billions of lives...

lillitheris wrote...

I don't know how many Geth are left after the war with Quarians, presumably still billions. I don't thing it is any more immoral to risk getting even a much higher number of organics killed than to outright kill all those Geth ourselves.


It is. Many > few, but like I said…Destroy is only one of your options. A true, selfless Paragon would likely pick Control. It’s just that Reject is even worse. With respect, I don’t think you’re thinking about the implications realistically.

I'm talking about the risk (a chance) of many organics getting killed (by the Reapers) versus the certainty of fewer Geth definitely getting killed (by Shepard).
That is the point of the Paragon, is it not? To take the harder, possibly riskier path, because the easier one is guaranteed to be morally wrong? Isn't that why us paragons saved the Destiny Ascension? Why we released the Rachni queen? Destroyed the Collector base? Saved Maelon's data? All of these decisions could have turned out to have catastrophic consequences for the entire galaxy; but of course us meta-gamers know beforehand they don't, so it's trivial to make the morally right choice.
But it gets harder to stick to your morals when the meta-gamer in you knows the right choice turns out badly...


edit: ah, top with more Reject spam... I'll just quote something from the last page:

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I was hoping you would check-in for the 1700th... I knew if you did that you would post those pictures, so I deliberately avoided them, even though they're among my favourites ;)

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frudi wrote...

But it gets harder to stick to your morals when the meta-gamer in you knows the right choice turns out badly...


Unless you played the games blind and agonised over killing the Rachni queen for 5 minutes? Thought long and hard about the value of the captured Reaper tech vs who would be gaining from it.

Some of us DO role play at least the first time through, many do it for all playthroughs.

Stop projecting your decisions/values onto other people and you may acquire the ability to step into someone else's shoes for a moment. Frankly, I don't play for maximum EMS/assets, there are some decisions I simply refuse to make. In fact, since you bring up metagaming, I now deliberately hamper myself after Grissom Academy since the EC showed that putting the kids in the front line gets them killed. Eff the extra 25 war assets, I can win without getting all those young men and women killed.

Call it reverse metagaming if you will. Sometimes the right decision may produce a less beneficial result.

However, I still stand by the argument that saving the DA is both right and the most beneficial.

I'd also argue against lili's "Control is a pure paragon" choice. Once Shepard's removed from body, all those neurochemical emotional triggers gone, once the Normandy crew have succumbed to old age, then even the purest personality is going to start falling into hubris. It was a human mind to start with, with all the human failings, leavened by love, companionship, friends etc. Remove those ameliorating factors, arrogance and corruption will set in. The pure paragon will know this and refuse the power. Even Liara will only live another 900 years or so, what kind of monster could Shepard become in that time?

As hateful as the loss of EDI and the geth is, Destroy is the brutal calculus of war. Sacrifice some so that the rest can live.