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[Chewin]

Robhuzz wrote...
I understand where you're coming from, but wouldn't it make sense to add more and more realism to the game when it makes sense? An example from DA2: Fenris HATES everything that has anything to do with magic, yet despite his hate, which he never lets anyone forget, he can still be romanced by a mage Hawke. Even though it's not 'fair' to all people, I think it would've made a lot of sense to make mages unable to romance Fenris for example. Same goes for renegades and Samara. I'm all for improving realism in games, even if that goes at the cost of a little fairness.

And this is the problem with BW games. They treat everyone equally. No matter what choice you make, it will eventually form into the same ending, with a few different dialog options from different people. This made me dislike DA2 with it's plot holes with a mage and all.

EDIT: TotP

Modifié par Chewin3, 25 août 2011 - 12:54 .

[SilentK]

Robhuzz wrote...

Red Son Rising wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
Would be awesome if in future BW games, say... 5 years from now, all the LI's have different tastes and as such won't be main character sexual any more. Just imagine not being able to romance certain characters because they don't like the way your character looks and/or behaves -- Awesome . As a matter of fact, if there were a proper Samara romance in ME2 they could've done that already, making Samara turn down a renegade Shepard...

as long as those mechanics were transparent and didnt rely on dice rolls or elements under the hood that players cant see or predict. i dont mind surprises but i really dont like not being able to replicate certain events [morinth.. ahem]

I understand where you're coming from, but wouldn't it make sense to add more and more realism to the game when it makes sense? An example from DA2: Fenris HATES everything that has anything to do with magic, yet despite his hate, which he never lets anyone forget, he can still be romanced by a mage Hawke. Even though it's not 'fair' to all people, I think it would've made a lot of sense to make mages unable to romance Fenris for example. Same goes for renegades and Samara. I'm all for improving realism in games, even if that goes at the cost of a little fairness.

I think it worked very well with rivalmance and romance. You can still fall for someone who you don't agree with a 100%. And one unavailable romance, such as Aveline or Samara is quite enough for me at least. Anders does break up with you if you make a deal with the demon in the fade if I'm not mistaken. I'm happy that Liara will love my FemShep's no matter if they are renegade or paragon. I mean paragon and paragade. What would make Liara break up a romance? Other than cheating.

[jtav]

Just going to drop this here: The Education of Miranda Lawson

Summary: Thessia was not at all the intellectual paradise Miranda hoped for after leaving Earth. But she may find her equal in the most unlikely of places. (Liara/Miranda)

No slash in this section, but I'm not ruling out continuation.

[Robhuzz]

@SilentK

After Lotsb? Would be hard to really put the relationship to the test again since they've been through a lot together by now. Though it's possible to break up during the cabin scene by first telling Liara you don't think you'll survive the Reaper wars and then explain you don't really know why you're still trying to make it work between her and you. No true Liara fan would pick this option though.

[InfoGuy101]

SilentK wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Red Son Rising wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
Would be awesome if in future BW games, say... 5 years from now, all the LI's have different tastes and as such won't be main character sexual any more. Just imagine not being able to romance certain characters because they don't like the way your character looks and/or behaves -- Awesome . As a matter of fact, if there were a proper Samara romance in ME2 they could've done that already, making Samara turn down a renegade Shepard...

as long as those mechanics were transparent and didnt rely on dice rolls or elements under the hood that players cant see or predict. i dont mind surprises but i really dont like not being able to replicate certain events [morinth.. ahem]

I understand where you're coming from, but wouldn't it make sense to add more and more realism to the game when it makes sense? An example from DA2: Fenris HATES everything that has anything to do with magic, yet despite his hate, which he never lets anyone forget, he can still be romanced by a mage Hawke. Even though it's not 'fair' to all people, I think it would've made a lot of sense to make mages unable to romance Fenris for example. Same goes for renegades and Samara. I'm all for improving realism in games, even if that goes at the cost of a little fairness.

I think it worked very well with rivalmance and romance. You can still fall for someone who you don't agree with a 100%. And one unavailable romance, such as Aveline or Samara is quite enough for me at least. Anders does break up with you if you make a deal with the demon in the fade if I'm not mistaken. I'm happy that Liara will love my FemShep's no matter if they are renegade or paragon. I mean paragon and paragade. What would make Liara break up a romance? Other than cheating.

That could be interesting for ME3 as the developer have said that team mates aren't goning to agree with everything you do. I think this may include Liara but I the only real situation I could think of where she may not agree with you would involve Thessia or maybe something involving Protheans or other team mates.

But that's just speculation by me so it might be nothing lol.

[Robhuzz]

InfoGuy101 wrote...

SilentK wrote...

I think it worked very well with rivalmance and romance. You can still fall for someone who you don't agree with a 100%. And one unavailable romance, such as Aveline or Samara is quite enough for me at least. Anders does break up with you if you make a deal with the demon in the fade if I'm not mistaken. I'm happy that Liara will love my FemShep's no matter if they are renegade or paragon. I mean paragon and paragade. What would make Liara break up a romance? Other than cheating.

That could be interesting for ME3 as the developer have said that team mates aren't goning to agree with everything you do. I think this may include Liara but I the only real situation I could think of where she may not agree with you would involve Thessia or maybe something involving Protheans or other team mates.

But that's just speculation by me so it might be nothing lol.

With the confirmation that the Geth/Quarian conflict will be concluded in ME3, I think BW specifically pointed to Tali in this instance. There will probably be an option to strive for peace but if not, you might have to side with one of the races. Siding with the Geth will probably cause the extinction of the Quarian race. No matter if you're in a romance with her, Tali will not stand idly by while Shepard condemns her entire race.

IF, and I say IF because this was only speculacted about, we have to face TIM or another high ranking Cerberus guy somewhere in the game, I think it might have something to do with Miranda or Jack.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 25 août 2011 - 01:35 .

[Ophiskc]

jtav wrote...

Just going to drop this here: The Education of Miranda Lawson

Summary: Thessia was not at all the intellectual paradise Miranda hoped for after leaving Earth. But she may find her equal in the most unlikely of places. (Liara/Miranda)

No slash in this section, but I'm not ruling out continuation.

[Kadzin]

Ophiskc wrote...

jtav wrote...

Just going to drop this here: The Education of Miranda Lawson

Summary: Thessia was not at all the intellectual paradise Miranda hoped for after leaving Earth. But she may find her equal in the most unlikely of places. (Liara/Miranda)

No slash in this section, but I'm not ruling out continuation.

Interesting pairing, but I don't like Miranda so I am going to stick to my Shep/Liara thanks

[Ophiskc]

We all can agree that Liara is a beautiful asari, but i wonder, would your Shepards still love or want to be with Liara, if asaris "azure", besides the birth canal, would resemble more a masculine organ? (we know thats not the case, but how conflictive would be for a straight male Shep that little detail for example)

[AlexMBrennan]

Well, since clearly one cannot love another person one can't have (traditional, procreative) sex with I think that Shepard's reaction would be obvious.

Edit: Your assumption that such problems would not arise anyway renders your question meaningless. The correct question (unless you're happy to treat the asari as humans with permanent body paint) to ask would be how Shepard copes with being intimate with an alien

Further, I think that it's interesting that you consider an (effectively, since you're treating the asari as humans with body paint) male homosexual relationship to be inherently difficult for Shepard while it doesn't cross your mind that similar problems might be present in a (effectively) female homosexual relationship.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 25 août 2011 - 02:40 .

[Ophiskc]

AlexMBrennan wrote...
Further, I think that it's interesting that you consider an (effectively, since you're treating the asari as humans with body paint) male homosexual relationship to be inherently difficult for Shepard while it doesn't cross your mind that similar problems might be present in a (effectively) female homosexual relationship.

I made the male Shepard just as an example, because human males in general wear a social stigma or worry if others will question their masculinity or not (wich normally dont happen to woman), even if asaris are absolutely females, i just wondered if that extra piece would influence your Shepard. Of course, you can ask the same for a female Shepard

In my case my lesbian FemShep wouldnt care at all, Liara is a very lovable and intelligent woman, she loves her, and how she looks in other places of her body wouldnt influence that

But you're right, this example could be brought to any alien relationship discussion

[Ophiskc]

@Ilgar92
Agree

This need more Liara

[Kadzin]

Ophiskc wrote...

Well hello there...

[ladyvader]

Robhuzz wrote...

Red Son Rising wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
Would be awesome if in future BW games, say... 5 years from now, all the LI's have different tastes and as such won't be main character sexual any more. Just imagine not being able to romance certain characters because they don't like the way your character looks and/or behaves -- Awesome . As a matter of fact, if there were a proper Samara romance in ME2 they could've done that already, making Samara turn down a renegade Shepard...

as long as those mechanics were transparent and didnt rely on dice rolls or elements under the hood that players cant see or predict. i dont mind surprises but i really dont like not being able to replicate certain events [morinth.. ahem]

I understand where you're coming from, but wouldn't it make sense to add more and more realism to the game when it makes sense? An example from DA2: Fenris HATES everything that has anything to do with magic, yet despite his hate, which he never lets anyone forget, he can still be romanced by a mage Hawke. Even though it's not 'fair' to all people, I think it would've made a lot of sense to make mages unable to romance Fenris for example. Same goes for renegades and Samara. I'm all for improving realism in games, even if that goes at the cost of a little fairness.

I thought only paragons could do the faux romance with Samara.  Renegades don't even get the option.  I don't play renegade as much, so I could be mistaken.

I think it's funny a mage can romance Fenris.  "You take me to strange places, Hawke."  

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ladyvader wrote...
]I thought only paragons could do the faux romance with Samara.  Renegades don't even get the option.  I don't play renegade as much, so I could be mistaken.

I think it's funny a mage can romance Fenris.  "You take me to strange places, Hawke."  

That is indeed correct. If a renegade tries to romance Samara she will ditch him the second he holds her hands. Stating that she has zero intrest in him that way.

[ladyvader]

Kadzin wrote...

Ophiskc wrote...

jtav wrote...

Just going to drop this here: The Education of Miranda Lawson

Summary: Thessia was not at all the intellectual paradise Miranda hoped for after leaving Earth. But she may find her equal in the most unlikely of places. (Liara/Miranda)

No slash in this section, but I'm not ruling out continuation.

Interesting pairing, but I don't like Miranda so I am going to stick to my Shep/Liara thanks

Of all the pairing, to me this one is the oddest.  

It's not that I don't like Miranda, I don't trust Miranda.  I want to like her, but I can't get past the trust issue with her.

[ladyvader]

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
]I thought only paragons could do the faux romance with Samara.  Renegades don't even get the option.  I don't play renegade as much, so I could be mistaken.

I think it's funny a mage can romance Fenris.  "You take me to strange places, Hawke."  

That is indeed correct. If a renegade tries to romance Samara she will ditch him the second he holds her hands. Stating that she has zero intrest in him that way.

That is what I thought, but was not 100% sure.  Thanks.

[TheMarshal]

ladyvader wrote...

Of all the pairing, to me this one is the oddest.  

It's not that I don't like Miranda, I don't trust Miranda.  I want to like her, but I can't get past the trust issue with her.

This is one of the oddest?  Not Thane/Grunt?  Jack/Tali?  Aside from your own issues with trusting Miranda, what is it about her that makes you think Liara wouldn't get along with her?  I think a non-romanced Liara could definitely do worse than Miranda Lawson.

[Robhuzz]

ladyvader wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Red Son Rising wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
Would be awesome if in future BW games, say... 5 years from now, all the LI's have different tastes and as such won't be main character sexual any more. Just imagine not being able to romance certain characters because they don't like the way your character looks and/or behaves -- Awesome . As a matter of fact, if there were a proper Samara romance in ME2 they could've done that already, making Samara turn down a renegade Shepard...

as long as those mechanics were transparent and didnt rely on dice rolls or elements under the hood that players cant see or predict. i dont mind surprises but i really dont like not being able to replicate certain events [morinth.. ahem]

I understand where you're coming from, but wouldn't it make sense to add more and more realism to the game when it makes sense? An example from DA2: Fenris HATES everything that has anything to do with magic, yet despite his hate, which he never lets anyone forget, he can still be romanced by a mage Hawke. Even though it's not 'fair' to all people, I think it would've made a lot of sense to make mages unable to romance Fenris for example. Same goes for renegades and Samara. I'm all for improving realism in games, even if that goes at the cost of a little fairness.

I thought only paragons could do the faux romance with Samara.  Renegades don't even get the option.  I don't play renegade as much, so I could be mistaken.

I think it's funny a mage can romance Fenris.  "You take me to strange places, Hawke."  

A mage romancing Fenris is indeed funny albeit weird. Though I never romance him myself. All my characters eventually end up single or romancing Merrill=]

And here I thought I was the only one who does not have a full renegade playthough. Glad to see there are other true paragons/paragades out there.

[alex90c]

ladyvader wrote...

Kadzin wrote...

Ophiskc wrote...

jtav wrote...

Just going to drop this here: The Education of Miranda Lawson

Summary: Thessia was not at all the intellectual paradise Miranda hoped for after leaving Earth. But she may find her equal in the most unlikely of places. (Liara/Miranda)

No slash in this section, but I'm not ruling out continuation.

Interesting pairing, but I don't like Miranda so I am going to stick to my Shep/Liara thanks

Of all the pairing, to me this one is the oddest.  

It's not that I don't like Miranda, I don't trust Miranda.  I want to like her, but I can't get past the trust issue with her.

I just find Miranda boring. tbqh, ME2 made staying loyal to Liara pretty easy since the romance options kinda sucked on the whole, and I've simply got another playthrough planned for when I want to go for Tali (I want to do a full ME1 > ME2 one, but I always end up with Liara so I can't go for Tali ... )

One of the things I like about Liara is how Bioware created the perfect level of awkward shyness with her, but then countered it by having her be a powerful biotic, very intelligent (I can't have been the only one who noticed the certificate from the university of Thessia in her apartment as an example) and later in the romance, kinda assertive how when she tells Shepard flat out that she doesn't feel it would be right to have sex (or was it meld, I can't remember). Of course, she can't help herself en route to Ilos, but still.

Then you get the Dragon Age equivalent of get Merrill who's this shy, thick, idiotic and incompetent f*cktard <_<

i.e. they tried to make another shy character and failed because she's just completely dense and infuriating.

Robhuzz wrote...

A mage romancing Fenris is indeed funny albeit weird. Though I never
romance him myself. All my characters eventually end up single or
romancing Merrill

And
here I thought I was the only one who does not have a full renegade
playthough. Glad to see there are other true paragons/paragades out
there.

Hell yeah. I've actually never been able to play a renegade, going against my morals like that would probably drive me insane and it would be the most unenjoyable playthrough ever (my mate who got ME2 recently said he couldn't handle being a renegade either ... oh and he loved Liara in LotSB too ). In all honesty, if I was Shepard I wouldn't last five seconds since I'd be busy trying to help every little person rather than saving the galaxy as a whole

Modifié par alex90c, 25 août 2011 - 06:28 .

[Robhuzz]

Seems like you just like Merrill's personality or you don't. I kinda like Merrill and often she makes a remark and I facepalm in front of my PC and I say: " *Sighs* Merrill...". Still I think her extreme level of social and human awkwardness is cute and adorable, especially when Isabella or Varric is in your party. Top it off by stopping her from using blood magic and get into a rivalmance and she's a really nice character.

Kind of reminds me just a little about Liara although Liara is still very social, though not used to humans. And of course she's very intelligent, among other positive traits.

Hell yeah. I've actually never been able to play a renegade, going against my morals like that would probably drive me insane and it would be the most unenjoyable playthrough ever (my mate who got ME2 recently said he couldn't handle being a renegade either ... oh and he loved Liara in LotSB too ). In all honesty, if I was Shepard I wouldn't last five seconds since I'd be busy trying to help every little person rather than saving the galaxy as a whole 

Indeed. I don't see renegade as being really evil so much as being a complete jerk. A paragon helps people and is friendly to others. A real renegade is just a total jerk, doesn't want to help others, even if they kindly ask for it. I just can't play like that. I've tried but I can't. Though punching the reporter or headbutting that krogan are a must even for paragons. 

Edit: And since I just finished Horizon on my latest playthrough, now I'm off to Illium:)

Modifié par Robhuzz, 25 août 2011 - 06:34 .

[King Minos]

The romances in me2 all had emotional problems, seeing Thane cry was strange...obviously he isn't real but seeing a man cry was weird. Jacob was the only normal guy, sure he had daddy issues but he did not go on about it, he dealt with it like a man and moved on. Mordin would of been an interesting romance as well.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I admit that I find it odd that most of the potential LI's would want to romance a renegade Shepard. Considering how cold and cruel some of them are. But I guess it would be too difficult to make P/R responses for every LI. I just don't romance Liara with a renegade. 

And
here I thought I was the only one who does not have a full renegade
playthough. Glad to see there are other true paragons/paragades out
there.

I have a 100% paragon and a 100% renegade playthrough. In a game with moral alligments you should have atleast have one playthrough to each alligment there is. See both sides of the coin so to speak.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 25 août 2011 - 06:45 .

[Lady Luck]

Chewin3 wrote...
And this is the problem with BW games. They treat everyone equally. No matter what choice you make, it will eventually form into the same ending, with a few different dialog options from different people. This made me dislike DA2 with it's plot holes with a mage and all.

That has never been BW's strong point, and I hate it as well. I'm little worried what they're gonna do with Morrigan's child when many people haven't even done it with her. I sure hope people who did it with her get something extra, and the people who decided to take the book during the ending of WH will get something special. And when I'm talking special, I mean something special and not some differnet dialog as you said.

And as for Merrill, GWAAAAAAH, SHE'S SO NAMNAM:wub: . But being serious now, I just really like her. I think I have a weakness for girls like her (no wonder since I like Liara as much too). I never choose the rival with her. Yeah it's good when you want to protect her, but just like with Liara, I trust her. I trust that she can handle what she's doing, and my Hawke will always be there if she needs any help.

And derp about Thane crying? So what if he cried, he still was the best written character of all the squadmates in ME2.